tv Cross Talk RT July 20, 2018 4:30pm-5:01pm EDT
every day the media pinning walkaway on russian bots as the movement was mentioned by a site that tracks twitter accounts linked to alleged russian interference it's called the hamilton project but the site itself says the media has got it wrong most of the third party reporting on the dashboard continues to appear with some variation of the headline russian bots are pushing x. this is inherently inaccurate they're not all in russia we don't even think they're all commanded in russia at all we think some of them are legitimately passionate people that are just really into promoting russia his brand and strike again founder of walk away on why democratic officials are trying to denigrate the movement. i think it's an incredibly desperate attempt by the left wing politicians and the democrats to explain away the fact that people are leaving their party and they're no longer happy with what's going on on the left. you know it's like they tried every every trick in the globe to sort of dehumanizing people
first it was you know calling people to get calling people racist and calling people nazis you know anything that they can do to jews you were nice people and that didn't work so now they've actually doubled down and relatedly started calling human beings robots all of this in a desperate attempt to cover up the fact that their party has no plan their party has no appeal to people anymore because they really just become a party of rage anger hostility and now tory nonviolence politicians don't want any more people leading the left these are not robots these are actual people who were set up of the democratic party abroad and have been shut out of today's job for the latest and off about. to.
join me every thursday on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see that. hello and welcome to cross talk or all things considered i'm peter lavelle u.s. president donald trump has repeatedly said he wants better relations with russia he did finally have his long sought summit with lot of near putin both presidents called it a success the american political class and corporate media describe the helsinki summit as a failure and trump even worse are the united states and russia destined to be
enemies forever. cross talking with a phobia i'm joined by my guest brian becker in washington he's the director of the answer coalition as well as host of loud and clear a daily news show on radio sputnik also in washington we have earl rescues and he is the executive vice president of the eurasia center and in managua we cross sudan copilot he is an adjunct professor of law at the university of pittsburgh as well as author of the plot to scapegoat russia all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it dan when did you finish writing your book the date. yes last last year like last so what did you know that we didn't know then because it sounds like an absolutely perfect idle for the moment in the current news cycle go ahead. well
russia has been a scapegoat at the united states for a long long time you know we could go as far back certainly as nine hundred seventeen but certainly after world war two we had you know what was known as the cold war which. centered upon the vilification of russia to justify the u.s. is. benchers abroad and we are in a new cold war now and we were it was on it. and it seems to be only a tense of five even though the soviet union collapsed in one thousand nine hundred one the u.s. has developed by russian and he that it's not ok brian what do you know what i find really interesting in this saga that's been going on here is that and it seems to me that i'm very very often the united states and its western allies particularly nato they project all of their own sins upon russia ok meddling in other people's election well we could spend an entire month on
a daily basis going through all of the meddling that the united states and its allies have been involved in for the last few decades and it would still be a cursory review i mean it seems to me that russia places other the op is the negative of what we want to see in ourselves go ahead brian. absolutely i mean if you if you go through and people have gone through the record of the united states not just interfering in other elections including rushes in one thousand nine hundred six there's that famous time a green of boris yeltsin with the american flag and it says yanks to the rescue because america flooded moscow with american advisors and millions of dollars to make sure their candidate or as yeltsin won otherwise the communist party in russia would have actually been the winner but it's not just interference if the us doesn't like the results of election you know yeah after they've tried to influence them then they overthrow the government this is what happened with the democratically elected government of mom. in iran it dared to nationalize the anglo
iranian oil company now known as b.p. so of course the us overthrew it and imposed on iran the shah a monarch you can't get more or less democratic government there's a long history of this the united states the media presentation here is so incredible you had donald trump going to europe meeting with the nato countries demanding that they spend one hundred thirty two billion dollars more. for really a confrontational position against russia and then he gets to russia i mean to helsinki and meets with putin and the american media says this is the surrender some vendor some and acting as if you know here's a united states spend seven hundred eighty billion dollars on war every year russia spent sixty billion and yet russia's on the march you know early and rideable and russia's defense spending is on decline right now ok it's not being increased here
early does the united states need brushes an enemy is this the it because it to justify all of these expenditures ok i mean brian is a logically looking at it but logic good politics don't always parlay ok i mean sensually we need an enemy it justifies is here montenegro is good it is adding value added to nato defense ok montenegro his army is smaller than the new york police force ok but we need an enemy here is that would russia's purposes because it's really easy to paint russia is as an enemies because it because it really demands stubbornly its sovereignty go ahead irl. i agree pete peter i mean we meet we mean let's face it it's the sense industry we need an enemy . nato is searching for a new mission i mean really it's a good defense grouping but you know should russia be included in that as well and what's the real mission the mission has is is not there i don't think there's any
fear for russia invading into any part of europe. but. but it you know you need a boogie man you need a net you need a threat to justify defense expenditures i mean why dives and how are you nope cited be be aware of the defense industry and they all do great things they do some you know positive researchers a lot of people employed but you know to grow business you need more threats and so i think it is in some ways that it's a business that. it's a racket you know and central that's what it is ward's a racket in conflict is a racket and then a lot of people make money from it you know dan the world cup just ended here in russia and moscow is one of the major centers for the for the matches and i purposely went into the center of town almost every single day and ran into people some people recognized me and. in
a cafe people would ask me questions or direction or some we get into a conversation and i purposely said what are you most surprised about and the reaction was almost universal people were exasperated i had no idea this place was like this because in the u.k. they tell us a completely different story they even told us it could be dangerous to come here and the reaction was anger anger that you know what the hell were they telling us go ahead dan. yeah you know i mean that vilification of russia is frankly you mind boggling here's a country that right after nine eleven was a first world leader call president bush and send its condolences he offered help in the war on terror and the war on terror terror russia is actually flying of very constructive role. in the middle east even israel is
finding russia to be. partner in the middle east. this vilification has a. i don't need facts. and it is you pointed out what appears to be greatly resented in the political halls of the united states is that russia has got back on its feet yeah and it is a country that is livable and it is a country that people are happy in the next why they have a very high approval rating for their president and i think that is life or surprised when they go there and it's not some kind of a hellhole yeah that is what we're now in and i should point out to our viewers that russia is the second country after the united states destination for immigrants russia is number two in the world people do want to come here though i suppose you would never hear that on c.n.n. brian you know another thing is here it's russia is a reliable enemy but it's also one the only bipartisan issue that you get
america's divided political clout and it really works ok it brings people together all right and i think that that's also its purpose ok is that and it's also a justification for the democrats why they lost the election because they still can't come to terms with that they were remain in denial go ahead brian well there's another issue that there's a bipartisan support in there too are closely linked which is the absolute support for the military industrial complex in the intelligence agencies so both the democrats and republicans routinely and almost unanimously support these gargantuan increases in the u.s. military budget again it was in eighty two billion dollars increasingly increase this year that's more than russia's entire military budget that was supported by the democrats and the republicans so they come together on this issue and in russia as our other guys have said is an essential part of the expansion of the u.s.
military machine because what are we going to why are we going to spend a trillion dollars a year on war is it going to be. against grenada is it going to be against little tiny countries you need a major power sort of enemy and then the national security strategy that was unveiled in january and trump himself came out to do it maybe because some of his narcissism he came out to announce that unlike previous presidents it says that the main priority for the u.s. military in the coming decade in decades is not islamic terrorism it's not terrorism at all it's for major power confrontation with russia and china that's budgeting that's budgeting and military contingency planning now to do that you have to really paint the adversary as an adversary so it's an article of faith there's a new religion in washington d.c. which is called i hate religion i hate russia russia is the enemy and we almost
bought it and genuflect at the altar of this new religious icon and that's the way you can take the american people's money heart yearned tax dollars which could be used for housing and health care and the education the things human beings need and shovel it over to the defense contractors you have to explain to them that it's an absolute national imperative to do that in order to carry out this looting of the national budget and that's what we're witnessing right and he let me go to let me go to earl before we go to the break you manufactured consent this is what be in its most recent incarnation it's a it's a manufactured consent and and and i want to talk about the intelligence committee in the second half of the program but the liberal media loves it and they they perpetrate it go ahead earl thirty seconds. it is manufactured consent and it and i believe it's probably orchestrated some somewhere in the dark corners as well i mean what we have here we have mccarthyism two point zero even if you shake
ambassadors hand at a reception yeah hero who hear her hear her putin or that you know that young meeting you know young lady that was just arrested because she was you know she had she had some kind of agenda here i mean because she's not a foreign agent well hell half of washington should be a foreign agent under the under those strictures here ok i'm sorry let me let me jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on was supposed be a state with hearty. welcome
back to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peterbilt to remind you we're discussing rusa phobia. ok let's go back to dan in managua i think also part of what brian was saying this new religion as it were that so bipartisan in in the. the liberal media loves to propagate is that why should i think we should question the intelligence community i think that's a really important thing to do i mean again if you go back and look at the history
of their behavior which i mean bay of pigs that mean their involvement in vietnam all the issues surrounding nine eleven i mean there's a lot i mean and then you listen to peter struck ok i mean all the more reason to be very skeptical of what's going on behind closed doors in the in the deep state here i mean i don't understand it's gotten to the point where questioning anything now you end up being ostracized and demonized say the you know the lip the left wasn't always that way go ahead and. you know i mean her for many years the left understood the cia was this pretty diabolical institution that was engaged in regime change abroad and murdering world leaders the cia lied us into the war with iraq in two thousand and three. with the lie that weapons of mass destruction which of course you know led to over
a million iraqis dead five thousand americans dead and trillions of dollars wasted and yet those lives are forgotten and the irony of course is that it tends to be the liberals now that are rallying around the cia the f.b.i. the f.b.i. which is for years in gauged infiltrating progressive organizations and peace organizations to disrupt them. to kill fred hampton a leader of the black panthers in cold blood and now somehow the f.b.i. supposed to the it's really incredible you know brian one of the things i think it's. very interesting very tragic here is that somehow russia meddled in america's democracy i don't even really know what that means but you hear it all of the time but what really is happening i think my personal opinion is that because
there isn't any questioning of the intelligence community in their behavior and i'm thinking of the f.b.i. during the two thousand and sixteen election they are damaging america's to mock received because you cannot ask these questions about what they did i mean the f.b.i. the d.o.j. which was created by congress right they fund these agencies and what we see is the obstruction so i can't you know meddling ok i'm not i have no idea what that really means but we're getting more and more information that that kind of regime change scenario. the u.s. is used around the world for decades has actually come home and they're practicing the same playbook go ahead brian. and in fact that's gone on for decades the the i guess i agree with dan come why would anyone trust the f.b.i. or the cia and certainly progressive people or people who used to consider themselves liberal i don't even know what the word liberal means anymore it doesn't mean anything. what here's the situation is this the u.s.
government says that russian meddled by hacking into the democratic national committee e-mail server and revealing e-mails that show that the democratic party leadership. violated its own rules and regulations to make sure that hillary clinton would win the nomination now if that's true and it's being described as a parallel or or synonymous with what happened on nine eleven or pearl harbor why did the f b i why did the f.b.i. not subpoena and take control of that server to carry out a forensic investigation why did it allow crowd strike a third party that had its own self-interest in its own political bias against russia why did they take their word that in fact the democratic party server was hacked by the russians that on its face would make anyone skeptical but again if you're in a religious situation you don't need proof you only take things as an article of
faith and so if the f.b.i. says we have a high degree of confidence without giving any evidence that russia did this without any evidence if you're in a religious mode you say i believe i believe because i believe because i'm part of the religion and that's the situation right now if those of us who question this narrative continue to question were considered to be nonbelievers and like a witch hunt if you're not part of the witch hunt you perhaps become a witch yourself yeah and it creates an atmosphere of political. imitation that's what we're experiencing right here in washington d.c. you know in earl i mean i don't know i don't know the number on the top of my head but the n.s.a. . isn't it their kind of job to be seeing what's moving around on the internet you know from sensitive places and all that you know i mean again we there are there are very intelligent people that are former members of the intelligence community that can make a very strong case is this is a leak not
a hack and these people have done it using their you know what's in it to between their ears their brain ok they're not they're not the n.s.a. here i'm thinking of william binney and people like that ray mcgovern i don't think they're traitors to their country though they are very very critical of the places they used to work for go ahead irl. absolutely and if they should be able to isolate down to the building. you know where the path of traffic was they're definitely monitoring almost everything not just foreign traffic but internals well the but you're absolutely correct on the forensic analysis so i mean where's the real forensic analysis were the independent forensic analysis the closest thing a tap and it's come out of. the veteran and you know veteran intelligence organization that's part of it absolutely that's the only thing that's even been close and that verifies that they had to be internally some very very skeptical on
any of those you know early dialogue you want to just jump in here real quickly i remember i think i'm going to remember this i think it was in january and february of this year that it keeps was actually talking about it and then months later months later hannity on fox started talking about consider the kind of news environment we have some really smart people that know what they're talking out about right about this put it out in public i think it was consorting news dot com and it it didn't even make an impression on the mainstream in the me somebody said hey if you read this because this is exactly what hannity would like but for me was astounding this information was around for months and it didn't even penetrate it was amazing it's a small circle of as dan i want to change gears. are russia in the united states destined to be enemies for good go ahead dan well i certainly don't believe you
know. yes the so i think. i mean i believe that there's a lot of common interests they are i think we should be friends partners. however i really you know as eric hobsbawm historian pointed out you know the hatred of russia is is in the d.n.a. of the american people and by genetics but as it was put there by people who. found a reason to vilify russia but it does appear that you know the powers that be in this country will continue to stoke the flames of the entire russia. in the interest of war which will make it very difficult for us to be partners and i think that tragic thing you know brian and i've heard repeatedly. the russian meddling again whatever that means is akin to pearl harbor what if the united states there was a reaction to the attack on pearl harbor it completely completely mobilized its
economy and fought a very hard very bloody war and justified in my opinion ok but what kind of rhetoric is this now you know then well then what should the u.s. do and i'm and then you know all of us on this program know the very importance of arms control agreements i know it's not really sexy for and this n.b.c. and c.n.n. debate in their day does have low octane octane intelligence ok but this is important stuff here and it has to be dealt with i really wish the donald trump had been had a little bit more finesse i know that's hard for him really hard for him but that's a really important issue ok and i we need to move forward amount but if we're going to be enemies how can you go there if this is one of the great tragedies go ahead brian. after september eleventh which is this is being compared to and pearl harbor the u.s. went to war war against japan in world war two of course and then after september
eleventh the war on terror. yeah the u.s. i believe we're past the point of no return i reserve the russian the animists and hostility towards russia i don't think we're coming back donald trump as you said all of the media attention was on his very badly stated positions at the helsinki but actually what they talked about was syria and de confliction they talked about the possibility of improving the start treaty the start treaty was signed in one thousand nine hundred one it said the united states which has seven thousand operational nuclear weapons all of which are just a few of which could destroy the entire world and russia which has a similar number that they should be reduced down to one thousand five hundred fifty and then a more that's a requirement also and in affirmative obligation on from the nuclear nonproliferation treaty on all nuclear powers they talked about that that was not covered as you're saying peter that's a big issue the danger of nuclear war even an accidental nuclear war the catastrophic consequences are so profound why don't we talk about that talk about
meddling in the in the future of the world nuclear weapons are meddling in our future having control over those nuclear weapons getting rid of them that's critically important that seems to be off the agenda right now what i think is really really tragic in this environment that we're right now is that you know negotiations are equated with the this is the tragedy of the conversation right now ok and arms control is so very important but if you negotiate it means surrender summit go ahead irl. you know i i think you're right it's that personally i've this meeting is something that should have taken place a while ago and i and i think a dialogue is is death absolutely necessary. or we're going to agree on things absolutely not but but it's definitely definitely necessary for agreement and for some reason these major areas of collaboration and and coordination are not.
are bypassed by the media and it's very very unfunny or unfortunate well we'll see where it goes here gentlemen but considering the way things are going it seems to me that the u.s. russia relationship has been spoiled and it could last for generations that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests in washington and managua and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.c. you next time and remember. seventy four design submissions the song. sounds i like. to join judges. and eight hundred sixty you don't stop days of. the russian w.b. h.m.p.
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