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she won't actually go to jail until her youngest child turns fourteen and she's only one right now less than twelve months ago her life was old very different i was twenty nine when i left i went to turkey first with my husband i never thought i would end up there. within seven months as i did that was living in syria and pregnant with her third child she said as her husband had been drawn to islam and a better life. he told me it was safe to go there he said it wasn't how it was being shown there was no bombing he said no war but the reality turned out to be far more spin anything on t.v. they lived for two years in the city of topic which at the times was under eisel control than they moved to rocca and she spent every day living in feet. so even my girl knew she was only eight years old but she could tell the difference
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what was coming an american her kids explain a fighter jet drone she could tell by the sound of it. what are they hiding yes well they either went downstairs or just simply stayed at home i took them out into the hole and we laid on the floor so that any shrapnel wouldn't hit us zagat had struggles to share her story she tries to stay emotionally distant from the past speaks quietly rabbinate looking into the camera she says she wanted to return home right from the start i told my husband that i want to go back that i couldn't live but the moment i started talking about it we had fights he told me if you want to leave leave but i will not let you take the kids away i knew he was able to do that he had that sort of character and i was afraid later on when they were living and rocca her husband was killed in a drone strike leaving zagi dad all alone with three children i started looking for ways to get. but it's not that easy you can't just leave that place it all has to
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be done in secret there are people that can sell you out trick i only talk to those who i knew well and one day i was told that there was this wrote that there was a way out. that claims she had no way dia the life she was leading would leave her on the wrong side of russia's anti terror laws. i stayed at home all the time i had my children i had no time for anything else i was at home taking care of my kids. she was one of the seven women and fourteen children brought back to russia in the autumn twenty seventeen as part of a companion organized by chechen officials to repaginate the families of men who went to fight with islam it terrorists. i am very grateful to everyone who helped launch this conveying to save many women and children. but while they were lucky to
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escape from the war in syria upon arrival in grozny she was detained by police three months later she was convicted and sentenced for being part of an illegal armed group. and while the law she broke is designed to help thwarted terror attacks some people argue that family members of radicalized individuals should not be targeted. these people need rehabilitation they need to be close to their family members under the care of their mothers they're under huge stress and prison will not help them he will only meet them more harsh i believe it's wrong to put them behind bars for now that good at leaves with her mother in dagestan she has to report to the police every month and can't leave the region it's difficult for both her and her brother to find work as they're on the official police list it means they will have to get by on their mother a small salary. as
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a post office worker despite all this they could add sas she's just happy to see her children say little girl i was literally suffering that because i was unable to provide food for my children he told me constantly mom we are hungry they were colliding and yes and now he's absent congress let's go to the merry go round would let's go to the seaside now we go at you know where i don't get it now we go everywhere. mommy's heart and so my lovely who say fuck it was you. a question artie dagestan. with the question of how to treat so-called eisold wives proving pretty divisive we debated the you share with our guests. shouldn't be allowed to return home they have left the safety of this country and gone over to fight with. whatever you want to call them should not be allowed back into this country what are they going to do when the come back here
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you know we've got enough people in our prisons now radicalized in our yoav if you brick a law especially criminal laws in england. and you break it somewhere you can actually charge but that charge has actually to stand in court they're not responsible for their actions their husbands or their or their kids or their son in the book. as a terrorist this is not their responsibility they're made that decision now to say that they went out there didn't know what they were going out their child didn't know what the door in their ridiculous there was radicalized they've gone out there if the culture that they're in at the moment has a death sentence so be it that shock to them but we cannot just charge anyone because we look we think she what he was she was a wife she knew about everything she cannot make a decision some of them the worst soldiers some of the recruits yes we agree on this but let's differentiate between innocent and being who has been a terrorist and who's been a criminal this is very critical because we want to go to the cycle of violence of
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the. world is ours asian women have all of this there and now you know it's their make their own decisions on life please tell me what they charge when she said so their wives where there was going was you were not shopping what you were not a holiday there much a child i mean i just you know where i am not sure not exactly what was going on. i'll give you an example he tells his wife we're going to a trip the whole day to turkey ok this is where you have this whole i thought yeah times we're going to a trip holiday to turkey to south of turkey in turkey you're stuck we're going to syria why because this is what islam is asking us to this is what we have to fight you are my wife you have to listen to me if not i would divorce you and you have no papers how are you going to turn back home if you take your wife to rock. places like this and you take you past what away from you how are you going to turn home seriously my wife or i don't know me well you know i'm showing off my wife she's going to have a brain and i would not allow that. they're made that decision now just says that
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they went out that didn't know what they were going out that show didn't know what the husbands was doing there is absolutely ridiculous there was radicalized they've gone out that if the culture that they're in the moment has a death sentence so be it that's up to them they have made that decision they've gone out there we do not want these people back here are seriously looking at the fallout of russian families going to fight in syria continues on friday with a look at people still trying to locate friends and relatives who did pledge allegiance to i still it was on monday that we showed you the story of two russian sisters found in iraq he orphanage you can now watch it in full when i tease you to .
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join me every thursday on the alex simon chill and i'll be speaking to us on the world of politics. i'm showbusiness i'll see you then. you know world of big partisan movies and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that made stream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the bath shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks.
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thanks for joining us here on r.t. it has now been ten years since the war between russia and georgia broke out after georgia attacked in the autonomous region of south us out here in two thousand and eight the russian army intervened after five days of a full scale conflict and fourteen hundred civilians killed a cease fire agreement was reached and in fact russian troops remain in the region to this day acting as peacekeepers over the u.s. calls it an occupation. our position on the russian occupied georgia regions of the and also south ossetia is unwavering that remains unwavering today the regions are
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part of georgia they are not part of russia and the united states continues to support josh georgia's sovereignty its independence and also its territorial integrity like despite western politicians putting the blame on russia for the two thousand and eight such a war the e.u. is a fact finding mission to stop georgia was in fact the one who initiated the conflict however it also fell but both sides violated international law in a new documentary recall the most tragic moments of the conflict for now a quick preview for you if you can watch it in full later today. on the my how much i'm not trying. to. cut through the main dust so the gripe you got of this the past will rewrite. the story or. natural cures.
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for this you know you're sort of the solution is to charge the system with. scenes down. the street shoot all of that doesn't. seem. like a lot of. other freddy to get you moving plus you. set up. on the zero eight that you. have got people to get in order to feel well that's a good thing you know you're. still going to. hear the mainstream radio they reported that russia story. the conflict and said nothing about soccer surely opening fire on the night of the beginning of the olympics in
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beijing couple years of war i believe that eventually other countries would learn to recognise that georgia was at fault in this war especially after the european commission came out and said that georgia started the war and i was very disappointed that they didn't. shortly after the conflict broke out the western media was very quick to jump to conclusions. georgia's president says russia is attacking his country dropping bombs and moving tanks into georgian territory russia's attacks keep coming to surprise georgia saying it's withdrawing from south a city if the georgians can do nothing. moscow's actions illustrate its content to the content nation and criticism. i want you to know who to blame. and she's called the snake and that said mr
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saakashvili who started you small and mr saakashvili who he's going to show up and kill cells and people who feel to be on the one day and that's what and i guess i would never tell you that only a commercial break will take us there in four seconds whether we do i mean i know that you don't know you don't want to hear. is situated some twenty minutes drive from salt a city and the russian troops. even that is a city that not crossing i mean history to. the prime minister of russia to me true but here the was the country's president at the time when the war broke out looking back at the events of two thousand and eight he says that the conflict could have been prevented. valuate these events are the same way they did before and they would have been no war exactly just release actions and not be so irresponsible immoral and criminal it was not inevitable it was clearly
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a choice made by cyclist really and his aides goal was to push georgian soldiers back prince involved to restore order and prevent a further escalation of the conflict it was not to destroy georgia or execute sacristy really so and i think it was right in trying not to rush because that gave us the chance to calm the situation in georgia. and also to engage in calm dialogue with other countries and the european union. twenty five past the hour here in moscow damned if you do damned if you don't that's the predicament of european companies trading with iran they are caught in the crossfire of a war between brussels and washington over a new u.s. sanctions targeting to iran with a punishment awaiting companies whether they comply or not. if e.u. companies abide by u.s. secondly sanctions they will in turn be sanctioned by the european union iran sanctions have officially been cast these are the most biting sanctions ever
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imposed and in november they ratchet up to yet another level anyone doing business with iran will not be doing business with the united states i'm asking for world peace nothing less u.s. government re imposed sanctions on iran after washington pulled out of the international nuclear deal the first round of sanctions restricts tehran's trade in u.s. dollars and precious metals it also punishes countries that use the iranian ryall when trading with iran a financial analyst for you says the new sanctions pose a dilemma for major corporations the situation that's developing is that on the one hand companies would be penalized by usa for doing business in the iran and at the same time if they're follow their diktats from washington the potential of those companies being penalized in the european union so it puts these companies in a very difficult situation but this i think is only applicable to the very large
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multinational corporation is that have exposure to different regions perhaps the semi sector this slump is a small to medium enterprises that are operating in the european union they may want to do trade with iran and because they have no exposure possibly with their u.s. market therefore they'd be able to stand up and continue doing business with iran thanks for joining us here on r.t. international that story now wrapping up the program for this hour but plenty more of your worldwide headlines to come with the top of the next. this is. a church secret indeed catholic priests accused of sexually
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following welcome to cross talk we're all things considered i'm peter lavelle after three years of conflict it has been estimated that out of a population of twenty seven point four million twenty two point two million people in yemen are in need of humanitarian assistance four point five million children and women are suffering malnutrition while two point nine million people are internally displaced this is a humanitarian catastrophe by any measure so why are the u.s. and u.k. so committed to the saudi u.a.e. war on yemen.
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crosstalk in the tragedy known as yemen i'm joined by my guest well hominum randy into and he's a professor at the university of for them in london we have charles shoebridge he is a security analyst and a former u.k. army and counter terrorism intelligence officer and in brighton we cross to catherine shocked and she is a senior analyst with the center all right crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciated let me go to charles first. this war has been going on for three years i gave some of the stats encourage our viewers to go to doctors without frontiers and look at their side on yemen the much more detailed much more gruesome i would even say what is the u.k. u.s. interest in this war against the country the poorest country in the middle east what is the thinking behind british foreign policy supporting saudi arabia and the
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emirates against yemen. i suspect on the one hand you've got u.k. and the u.s. saying that some degree and we can come on to that later on their national interests are aligned with saudi arabia particularly against iran of course in yemen elsewhere and again you have to question i'm hoping hopefully later in a poem we will do that in more detail as to why the u.k. and u.s. always seem to see their interests as being in conflict with iran in most instances but also there's got to be a aspect of this which is based on commercial interests of course britain and america supply vast amounts of weaponry and other equipment to saudi arabia the relationship with saudi arabia particularly it's not just saudi arabia involved here is one of course other gulf states as well all of which have very lucrative. commercial contacts with britain and the united states and indeed france and there
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has been certainly of the last few years a tendency for particularly united kingdom that anything that is saudi arabia supports pretty much britain and america are going to support also we have to remember just really how important this relationship particularly saudi arabia is if we think about trump we think about. other government ministers united states and united kingdom their first port of ports of call when they've been put into office isn't their allies in europe or the states often it's usually going off to see two players both of whom are vitally important to british and particular interests one of those is israel the other one always saudi arabia and so really i think this war is becoming increasingly and embarrassment not just war but the blockade in everything else that goes with it is becoming embarrassment to western leaders as invariably parts of it creep into media coverage because there's been a little account as yet of the last three creep creep but also if they will they will continue to support it catherine let me go to you in brighton ok so we've got
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a little bit of the background the the reason. if we can use that term for the british and the americans so what does fifty three me. for the saudis in the us a genocide i mean what what do they hope to what is the end goal here go ahead. the end goal was basically this iteration of the have what we have prior to two thousand and eleven when the people decided to to rise up against the then you know regime where the us i would care about was in control of yemen and yemen's political future as well as economical future and i think that this is what they're trying to do that trying to revert back to you know the situation that we had you know preaches other than f. and that is not going to happen because people have learned that they have a right to but it tickles that determination and they understand you know the majority of yemeni on just on that so i would your idea is not that to promote a greater yemen or even to promote a greater future for yemen but rather you know you have yet another country
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a client state that would remain forever tied up to yemen. i mean just very quickly when we talk about you know british and the u.s. siding with saudi arabia because of the fear and the enemy cities that have to would see iran we need to be very careful here to understand that yemen is a proxy only in the eyes of britain and the u.s. because they reason the iranian influence yemen represents your graphically advantage and it's sitting on very important waterways needed to really and of course because of all routes which is why britain and the u.s. all are interested in yemen into through play first place it has nothing to do with the fact that you want to have the na in yemen but rather because of the geography and where yemenis is situated in relation to iran and the rest of the gulf countries and i think it's an important point because we need to stop this narrative that iran you know has an interest in trying to promote unrest in yemen that's not the case if anything iran needs stability in the region to be able to itself you know you know stabilize its own borders and everything else i goes with
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it i think that's because i'm really glad you brought that up because there is a. and self-determination issue in yemen that is never brought up in the mainstream media and charles already brought up the issue that is always mentioned i'm going to go to mohammed now into rant it's all iran's fault as usual i mean you pick the day of the week it's russia's fault or rand's fault here now i'm willing to agree that iran may have some kind of involvement on some level now but not in two thousand and eleven that was what how this was sold so do you intervention in the first place here but it's always a rance fold it's a proxy war it's far more than a proxy war as catherine has pointed out go ahead muhammad into around this is one of the excuses that western countries in the western media use in order to justify the crimes being committed by their governments the canadian government american and british and french governments are involved in crimes against humanity and they
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are just as guilty as mohamed been solomon and the saudi regime and all this without them he couldn't be carrying out these crimes americans are providing all sort of source of the just simple support so they need to justify it somehow obviously for anyone who know for who knows anything about what's going on the yemenis do not have the ability to have any meaningful contact with iran there's no way that the iranians can help them in a meaningful way because they're completely surrounded the americans and the saudis and others have laid siege on the country they're preventing food from getting in there and forcing starbase starvation they've been doing this for years now and the western media they call it a proxy war or they try to somehow blame the victims in gaza in order to again justify their policies but it's obvious that this country is surrounded the
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overwhelming majority of the population is living in the areas controlled by. the law and their allies the popular committees and so on after all these years after over three and a half years with all the internal foreign support american support european support mercenaries from from different countries blackwater and an american and french official military presence on the ground sudanese mercenaries after all you know with all the money that the saudis and their marti's are spending if they cannot capture the capital of the country that shows that it is the will of the people of yemen that prevents them from doing so that shows that the resistance against the saudis and the americans is in the gentleman and popular resistance but that's something that they don't want to see because that makes c.n.n. that makes the new york times the guardian the b.b.c.
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all of them run against their own government if they point these out that humiliates their own government position charles i have noticed that what scant coverage there is on the cable stations the iran card is always almost always played first ok and there is not the not not there isn't a willingness to admit that are serious war crimes are being committed and i'd like to point out the the who these also have been accused of that in all fairness but this is a very tragic conflict. again you know what is the endgame here because i mean what just reading the stats i mean this is a country a humanitarian situation that is winding down very whiney out of control in a very serious way i mean cholera i mean something that is virtually wiped out in the world this come back when there benjamin's there and there seems to be no outcry cry whatsoever from the media i mean it makes them culpable go ahead charles
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. oh if there is outcry as you've already kind of hinted at it's a humanitarian situation that seems to have arisen out of nothing but this is a famine that there are hundreds of thousands of children not in education but there is as you say for the second year running now the danger of a cholera epidemic breaking out as if this is got nothing to do with the thought that this war has been visited upon this people by saudi arabia and its allies but particularly of course what's missing from the western media coverage is that this war this assault on this country as you point out one of the poorest countries on earth and facing terrible predicament for its people that this assault on this country is enabled totally by britain america and france particular britain and america in supplying the weapons that are being used against the yemeni people and of course study after study from independent organizations from monitoring groups
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human rights groups as well as the u.n. itself have shown repeatedly that there has been almost no care taken to prevent civilian casualties we're talking about the humanitarian situation that is largely been caused by the blockade that is in place that is preventing medicines and food surviving as we speak even fighting going on of course the assault has been launched on the major held port by the saudis and. again with british and american and french not only material covered by providing the material it's the logistical support the intelligence the refueling and arming capabilities but the weapons themselves but also diplomats and propaganda that you're not sick and propaganda for example it was britain france and america that blocked the swedish if it's initiative a few days ago to actually call a ceasefire and that was actually virtually absent from u.k. and u.s. media coverage and one other aspect which is quickly mention what the catherine
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