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putting women into into these army units are important because the army can only gain from it you gain compassion you gain a different kind of dialect you gain a lot of different things and the physical aspect is a very important one but if you are talking about an elite unit you can take women the tar elites in their physical abilities but even a woman that is elite and her physical is the best of the best in her physical ability will not come to be close to the man that is the fastest or best in his abilities. that brings you right up to me at home for now for the latest. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to us from the
world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see you then. the methodology we're going underground twenty four hours before m.p.'s vote on raising may's breck's a deal and that's the u.k. prime minister once again counsels at the day before coming on the show is tomorrow's vote rooted in the ashes of empire arguably britain's greatest living geography professor danny dorling on his new book. and three years to the month of
the death of david bowie who refused nitrogen what role did klaas play in ziggy stardust in the spiders from mars we interviewed the only surviving spider what he would lindsey all of them all coming up in today's going underground but first if you believe the british media the world's reputed fifth largest economy faces a political meltdown tomorrow finally dres of may is set to allow parliament to have a say on a brics a deal which he fought tooth and nail to keep the legal details off secret but the party that allowed her to even be prime minister after she paid a defacto bung of a billion pounds does not support the legally binding arrangement which ties us to the antichrist in the end definitely and ties us to the until you decide to let us go is not acceptable could to raise a maze deal be altered at the eleventh hour no said britain's finance minister u.k. chancellor of the exchequer philip hammond accuses those who believe in a last minute change of being delusional the idea that there is. option of renegotiating the eleventh hour is simply a delusion and u.k.
mainstream media is arguably timidly turning against stories making to promote tory backbenchers like this one seen insulting germy corbin's labor party there is no serious opposition there is nobody challenging the government in the way actually it ought to be a challenge because good opposition leads to good government there is to borrow does read his phrase a range of exhausted volcanoes i think some of them were never even volcanoes it's more like a range of molehills but is that true or is it a progressive progress of perspective and the exit perspective is not being given that i'm in britain his mentor to so many of labor's front bench is tony benn who's pro breaks of views first informed jeremy corbin and which are agreed on not only by the seventeen million voted for bricks into the referendum not only by jacob reese morg but a majority of labor's working class space i want to cooperate and join international organizations but no international organization which we have members of the i.m.f.
or nato get can make laws in britain that we cannot train and every colony since the war has been to london we've had these great colonial leaders miss to their rule was to look cruel all of them have been to london to ask for the right for self-government and independence and i want no more right for the british people than we gave the indians then we gave the americans took for the last two hundred years ago joining me now is holford begin to professor of geography of the university of oxford who together with sally tomlinson has just written rule britannia and the end of empire thanks so much dan for coming back on so what's the book about giving as a kind of remain vision arguably and we have that vote tomorrow which without gina miller who's been on this show maybe we wouldn't have had she probably like this book wouldn't she it's all pretty programming. you could see it as problematic. you know oxford by. academics it is more the citadels of might but what we try and in
the book is step back and back and back from this. and we do try to try to cover the other side mainly the pro tory argument for it but we're fundamentally trying to answer the question of why has this happened why he was put in the first country off to greenland to try to leave the you when you've won a slogan to take back control it's how important it is that back bit there was a time not very long ago where this country had more control of more people than any other country has ever had in the history of human can't you know we really did have control and i think part of the reason that that slogan. is there's a sense that when we were in control things were going well and getting better so in a sense if we leave the left wing case for it so this book explains why the right to one would expect to support new liberalism the city of london and so on why on
earth they should be opposing what the next g. is a is a new liberal institution well some of them i mean some of the vital very for the opinion that because they are on the start of the city of london that's the depends on being in the opinion of those on the right c.e.o. larger financial picture i mean we smokers fall for voter book saying that the world will be a kind of part of the future and you really do want to be a treasure island of sight for mate but when you look at the leading prejudices so many of them grew up in former colonies so it really grew up in families which you had service workers. go through i don't want to be careful over scribing never take you live used to that charlton or. remember the movie which we have to be very careful wife in this book because you know they get the gist but we do list in the book a series of names of ones. who grew up somewhere else in affluence and their families
have gotten and this includes the families of leading remain as they become and family were at the top of the world a few generations ago and it was david during that time to be shit you know you get a feeling of being diminished in britain if you were in the top one percent in britain your grandfather your great grandfather was deciding whether he wanted to run india or do something else big in london and you know trying to get a job with a stockbroker well i want to get on to some of that commonwealth colony stuff and enter second. ironic though that to morrow just center on england's oldest colony. the book you claim almost no with of understanding of england's first colony in eleven sixty nine was evident to twenty seventeen would you say irony that to morrow it will be the irish border it's incredible i mean nobody realized that that border was cyclists really you can't at the time of the debate load it decision was
ireland hardly matters there were a few country roads crossing a border that's not and then we can have tight logical solutions remember all of that i mean thank god it's gone quiet but are there we're going to use some kind of supercomputer i mean you don't have tougher border and drones presumably there's a realignment a in the first colony of a glint in a country which the english treated in some ways almost more despicably than anywhere else in the world. to our engine viewers of course will be mostly content they will contest it but almost one of the few places the world has a lower population now than it had a hundred and sixty hundred seventy years ago which is quite incredible that you know this is kind of a sort of justice to this island. i think that it's the key sticking point is an island if britain does leaf becomes the only english speaking. country in significant country in the union is the place you want to set up your business
if the people you want to hire from england want their children to speak english but going back to the end birth leases in the book yes it's natural that immigration and falsified narratives of immigration would play a starring role in the holbrooks a debate yet only to move movement well over other countries in europe when the question becomes so i ask is what's different about this country we did it significantly first we have had higher rates of immigration for a much longer period the much of the mainland and woman also that is very multicultural society love that is the real big apple of the world but we've also had a legacy since at least nineteen zero walk we have cutting into monday one of incredible basis propaganda against each immigrant group associated with fascism and that same . propaganda was rolled out for i want a cli extremely white very pale white eastern europeans why was the favor of
immigration stoked up and up and up in this country the fear being strongest in the air is at least immigrants it was partly stoked up because this was a natural trope of the british if one for longer than other people but also because these papers in the propagandists don't want to talk about inequality they will tell you that you've got the palm of your schools and your houses and hospitals and your wages because of the immigrants not because the rich are taking a bigger bigger slice of the pie that poses a question as to why german corbin is labor but is also keen to say freedom of movement is a very important issue here around the people is the vote for labor why is labor saying labor doesn't have a particularly clean record on immigration it's never been as nasty as the tories so we haven't. realised that why did the brits have this problem you know you know power went out almost banking people to come here and work to keep the buses running in the health service running. we have this problem particularly to england
the empire is bigger than the others because. we are government of a people without their consent on the assumption that we were naturally superior to them and it was in their interests as well as well as ours that we should be in charge of them from the lexer point of view one could say that his uniqueness that you keep pointing to in the book could open a vision of a post breaks at britain that is equally as unique and that limits the power of the city of london and allows the renationalisation perhaps without compensation of housing of water of electricity of energy and the railways it and you don't address that so much because i can see how theoretically you could if everybody agreed and we all work together to create this socialist utopia in a matter of say fifteen years working very hard. but we actually government did
quite a lot in the body at the. government did it after two generations of men had been forced to fight side by side in a war that could have been avoided and not get she the kind of attitude you need to get people to really you know we have a mixed up population in the same way that they make when they're fighting a war we've actually divided our population into segregated schools more segregated anywhere else in europe much of the rest of europe where people have decent regulation on their rents. places where homelessness affording the places is already half and getting better ok i'll leave the ones i would have a left or those different countries feels it is under attack it has its own sellers but as a as a professor at one of our elite institutions you do say in the book that history teaching is another key certainly to the next generation want to go to decisions like this because basically excoriate history teaching in the schools history clarity in english history teaching and this is
a lesson we all focus it is whether to flee easy teachers like you and me because if you were in germany the history you teach in germany is a very realistic history about what happened in europe because of losing a war. we didn't lose the war we haven't lost a war for a very long time we haven't had to correct the story we've told ourselves iraq. but then we when we do when we lose a war we pretend that we weren't really involved with the war that was the americans you know we don't admit to our failings we tell ourselves with pete it lines about ourselves i'm going to also ask that i mean do your chairs wolford mackinder know that much about it what the tools that we're being given on television in mainstream television to understand why britain is voting. was in a sense the better dig cumberbatch stored in a film about bricks is what do you make of this narrative a lot of people are talking about which is this is facebook maybe the russians
maybe digital marketing it's nothing to do what does the social geography offer us is a way of understanding the real reasons for this you could look the thing we know more about the than anything else is a joke of it we are absolutely sure how many people voted labor made in each area and old people who don't go on facebook so the media marketing thing a bit but it wasn't as crucial as it's being made out to be we have a lot in about dominic cummings in the book because he is fascinating and if you're trying to strangle the figure credited with swinging it oh but also part of a group of young conservatives who were dedicated to this kind of thing happening and that's been forgotten and then you look at his version of the history of england was he when you look at his great big thesis about the greatness of this place and so on and you can see that he thinks we've lost something he thinks we need to take back control to get back to. that we should be and he need to
understand that to understand why this happened to us because we were a place where people like dominic cummings could win those countries like france and germany and spain and italy are not places where people like dominick cummings come. when conservatives can wait but not people who try to take you back you know a hundred is to an idea that they have. no history books in their particular schools that they went about the greatness they think should come back and give us an adoring thank you thank you but after the break we told class war in ziggy stardust that spider from oz what he would see in the month david bowie would have turned seventy two. to have going on the ground. he was secretary of state mike pompei all tells us america is a force for good in the middle east well that's pretty amazing and online censoring
continues apace also for the democrats the party of war no. officer. to get up off the ground began to pay him down. and then freeze on the sounds of an mit grown man mislead essentially. wish to do away from the officers. to this group. the obvious or did they kind of lunge for the web in one smiths and then when it happened on trace one and i didn't hit him i never saw any contact with. any kind of went back to where they were so the answer is back here there again fifteen feet apart at this point and that's when the officer pulled his gun anybody.
welcome back in part one we have from professor danny dorling on the effect breaks it may have on britain's future prosperity but it wasn't meant to be like this claim lex it's supporting brigadiers shooting for the stars exiting the neoliberal e.u. project was supposed to be multicultural and invigorating for britain's working classes in the heartlands of the north of england my next guest is a musician from the north without whom there may never have been a ziggy stardust on the week of the third anniversary of david bowie's death we caught up with woody woodmansee the last surviving spider from zero as to discuss how working class music culture helped create four of the most iconic albums of all time would be welcome to going underground never been to viewed a spider before have to say tell me about the two of us. in february and during lots of different places and. all around the world sure scotland we've done two tours of america japan and three tours in the u.k. and we stepped into europe last year tony visconti the legendary producer is with
us and myself a glen group and yourself are actually part of it all and you've added len greggory famous for having seventeen we satirize the hatches economic policies in the eighty's when did when did this started by accident it was in the plan i go off to do an interview for the instant contemporary art on the mahler and i thought that's a bit you know from a but they took me into i did it did put a band together with name musicians like from blong day. one of spandau ballet steve norman and. bob geldof's guitarist and they were it did they did a festival with under the banner of the institute and they said well why don't you come and do two numbers so i went and did a couple of songs at the festival and i was amazed because i'd played a song for like a couple of decades you know the audience response was response was. manson and a lot were teenagers and then we had to go off and toe with long day so they said
will you get the drummer in your own band and i went yeah as long as we're there after all dish and you know these are the some of the most classic albums of all time certainly by david bowie the first hunky dorey and a lot of that incident and august but you and the other spy does well from yorkshire bowie famously from south london yeah you had to come down south had to go up north to find talent you know yeah that's how i got out of it saying it doesn't i love the music executives probably see it well i'm going to ask about whether things have changed but why is it you had to come to london well it does as i mean like the beatles left liverpool the consideration was you couldn't really make it from whole or manchester or whatever so you had to make the old you knows and just kind of leap towards you know which was a big go payable in those days what was the culture shock i mean i was born in. an
agricultural. town called driffield which was outside world so you can you know go into hole is a bit of a culture shock really well no. no no yeah. but it had a good music scene of that sounded hold there was a lot of kind of underground things happen and. and then. as i replaced one drummer in a band in holy went down to london to make it and was doing demos for david he was trying to make that move from acoustic. guitars really to being a rock n roll and we make them myself and being in that was our roots from blues to that zeppelin jimi hendrix old rock stuff so it kind of fitted it was i didn't like folk music i would still go on a photo but. actually sold a i got out no actually i don't know. i mean when i first met david i was in jeans
with the ritz coles and patches in a smelly t. shirt that was my stage we probably had them for ten days you know that was that was made rock n roll and he met me at the door in a rainbow t. shirt. bangle red coat arroyo traverses he had red shoes on and he obviously painted his own stuff on the top of his shows. and it was that was a bit of a culture shock see him now but i had this list you know i didn't know much about him but from the data it was kind of a one hit wonder thing or that was the idea right because of the time of his baseline and yeah yeah but would he have a do if he told you to dress like. the all the spiders at the dress they did but he didn't you know if you did all the date yet if you did all those changes in one saturday afternoon would have all been back on the train and you know like you did
yeah he did a few sketches were watching a movie any prospect them said what do you think and i didn't join the dots about the point now where you had nice you know that like the beatles were space boots on type thing and then two days later we were in liberties in london in the material department with him and i'm g. and he's possibly rows of material going what do you think this would be and i'm like well get new curtains or gray the flat looked a lot but i hadn't joined adult. i mean eight it was an educational trip really it won't it is on the same page to be able to throw ideas and so after reus those you said oh we're going to see a play and i said oh great what's it called he said i've no idea. why we're going to say that he said because the langton diet is the best one in london at the moment i want to study the lion and see how it changes the audience reactions because i won't i'm going to be asking you what color we should use during so i'm
going to put show to go at the time britain was going through i mean nowadays it's yeah to say because it's going to recession then obviously the recession now is livingstone living wages are going on the yes the napoleonic wars the decline not quite as bad as that of the seventy's yet it was that was all colorful dark period yeah i mean the thing was to brighten up but right now the business you know give the rock'n'roll business a kick up the backside through a bit control to say out just to stay. because that's what it was always been to some degree but it got a bit bleak you know the whole cola thing and you know a big bomb and at the time they would have like a red light a yellow light and a green one and if they had to bet money that up a strobe light and for the on call editing was go and you know where it was we you know he took his in to fit proper theatrical lighting so it made it look larger than life more effects and it was always done to push the song that was always the
intention does it get the song across to the outfits get the attention and then you're able to put the music across yes it's all those things would you know there's no talk of food to be in music why do you think bowie i mean he himself wasn't was i guess what would you call him middle class why did he want it work with three guys who spend their teenage years in hell rather than some way i guess he was a visionary and he saw the talent. the talent is there i maybe it worked it didn't your albums and they hadn't gone anywhere problem space oddity not enough said will it be tried a few session musicians in a different line ups and i think we because our roots were in blues and on top ten stuff because she did cobras in those days but our bass was like the stones the bay owes that blend it was hendrix it was all in the blues if you could play the blues
and understand it and feel it then when somebody brought a song but wasn't blue you could at least find the emotion and you could find what the guy was trying to say and how many they take the records and. it took two weeks from record in and mix and it was finished i think we only recorded for about four days we never did a song more than three times in the studio it was nowadays they do what i can do ninety and then call the old coat and paste stick it together and get the best bits . so we had to get it something like stamina jean genet they were first that was the first time i'd ever heard it and played it you know so you learn to play you learn on the edge and that's what you wanted won't you know when we first recorded live we would go up to the control room and say let's have a listen to what we've just done on that song and i would go oh i thought it did i wasn't too sure about. let's go do on and he would go no that say it and i go what
do you mean you know that's the first time we played it the correct it's the first time we played it and you go that's why won't let me put my twelve string on it and he do that you go well that's nice and he got i'll do a vocal and then go down and do a book full under thing would just take on a life of it so it was like bigger than the sum of its products and nearly every track we did and i realised he wanted that you know when you're really creating anything you get the idea you get the inspiration you radiate you doing it but like if you're doing it fifteen times by the fifteenth were you thinking about what you did on the third one you were you were already you attribute to yourself but you want to you know he wanted the freshness they want to you on the edge anyone today what do you feel like play and now you know and we did everything i could ask you about so many different songs you will have a story about each one but life is his name checks explicitly
a political figure arguably cleanin and has become such a big song in this year and you want to do it as danny boyle wanted in the twenty twelve olympics but he said no he wouldn't turn up the woman would you make of that song when he suddenly tells you well after as well i was booked are introduced. to all the other you have to be honest romas have to go to the yeah exactly in rhythm yeah he had a piano in one room guitar in the oh that and he was doing a lot of fun miles but playing keep on kate it was a. like a brilliant period missed and then we had mickey mouse has grown apart it's like ok that's weird you know i when we finished we've got rick management in obviously to play a piano and he just took the piano part to another level and the whole string section lifted and we were trying to get a rock flying with a classical thing so that it really integrates. mixed you pulled is into an
area i remember growing. you know it was so. different to what was around then and and when you talk about going down and shouts as as or things have changed much in hull and in the north of england when it comes to a divide a cluster of music i know you've been in the southern rating whole culture it was the city of culture it it's it's probably so it's so for that because of the fission thing that was the man in there with the quotes a year old. a lot of it basically and it's just trying to stick it said down to some good things now you know there's some good companies have moved in and the thing is picking up the i opened a festival for them about what five months ago and there were two hundred seventy bands in the whole which is i was like oh my dog you know would you have been say
thank you thank you very much spider for mas when he would be there you can get tickets now for his february tour as part of holy holy accompanied by the producer of heroes unload tony viscounty and heaven seventeen frontman glen gregory that's of the show will be back on wednesday russophobia imposed threat to trade with russia's former deputy prime minister arkady dvorkovich until then keep in touch by social media will be back on wednesday is the day that burnt to death by callous he formally the youngest of a female m.p. was shot fourteen times in front of a children. by british army they are above the trees.