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in france and the protests. just over the past weekend some twenty two thousand people it took to the streets the russian envoy went on to common enough as in paris of a moscow military intervention but other nations are not so let off by superpowers britain's closest ally the usa has been involved in coups and the backing of death squads in argentina brazil chile costa rica el salvador guatemala nicaragua panama paraguay peru you're a guy to name a few as a revolutionary revered around the world che guevara said before he was gunned down by u.s. backed soldiers and as the earth was nearly destroyed by rick warren also director of the problem. i read i mean i look at people that are out of my and out there. and there have been people. out there i live while it's probably a few want to. go but i mean actually. you want to you know. equal more than a tool it's
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a little. bit more like. a check of our of their affirming the u.n. charter well joining me now is the labor m.p. for darby north who in the house of commons this week which is the first you have to visit venezuela in twenty one years you said u.s. sanctions could be crimes against humanity chris williams welcome to the program i know you were to debate in the past twenty four hours on venezuela first your reaction to washington recognizing carlos vecchio is the new venezuelan charge affair in d.c. he's wanted parent the unit as well for us an incitement financing of terrorism or some of the shocking revelation and he goes in tandem with john bolton's. no. five thousand from the pentagon is now saying distance and well let's wait and see i mean i think it's pretty clear the administration is seeking regime change in venezuela we know it's got the biggest oil reserves in the world and they want to get this to. figures all mado the what they could not tolerate is
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a socialist government under hugo chavez actually using the oil reserves for the benefits of ordinary people i'm a huge advances i remember huge reductions in poverty improve us in housing and health care and of course they are out of kate's illiteracy i think it was long ago as two thousand and five there is a massive crisis in the country right now and indeed i think the madeira governments have made a number of wrong turns i mean i'm not going to go to defend them where they where they've made mistakes and they clearly have. exceeded the sorts of powers in some respects in terms of the balance we should be meted out against actually just on that why do you think your opposition to major nation intervention in nations like venezuela automatically means that. the media that the politicians say well that means you must be a majority support well it's absurd i mean look i recognise a huge advances that have been made you know by the government there and they're wondering credible pressure ever since barack obama signed the executive order claiming that venezuela pose an extraordinary threat to the national security of
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the united states of america is an absurd notion but of course not then preserve the sanctions and that was coupled with the economic sabotage by the elites inside venezuela of course that was then in tandem with the extreme violence on the streets in venezuela let's also remember that there is a budget line in the in the in the federal budget of the united states to actually finance the right wing opposition in venezuela and you know it's incredibly concerning i think to see a superpower like the united states kind of throwing its weight around them in that way and what is even worse is to see the british government acting as donald trump's poodle what i've called for is for the u.k. to use its good offices to urge both sides of venezuela to do you know to come together to have talks to reach a negotiated settlement what we can not tolerate in my opinion is external intervention of the states or any other western power for that matter we've seen where they sense in the past have. we are both on the continents of latin america
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and elsewhere in the world going back as far as you know into brazil in the ninety's sixty's chile you know when they overthrew ended the very self same tactics which are being used against venezuela today were used against chile this is the same old playbook and you know it always ends in a disaster and i'm not saying you know clearly there must be problems right now but i tell you what they could get a hell of a lot worse and what we could end up with is a bloody civil war bloody civil war actually with u.s. ground troops involved in that and you know i've just been watching full enough a documentary about the you know the vietnam war and the horrendous casualty list that actually resulted in and you know being alone could order that in because as i say. the acting pentagon boss is saying he hadn't discussed it with jumbled national security advisor the five thousand troops in his folder that he showed to the press but the venezuelan government for its part is saying they have a half a million soldiers well absolutely look i mean let's see what happens let's hope
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they don't and i hope that you know wise heads will prevail and this is where i think you know rather than you know the u.k. it's you know u.s. is closest ally should be kind of beating the drums of war they should be urging caution you know where that ended in iraq didn't weigh all the foreign secretary jeremy hunt as cleary's as the elections i know observed by three hundred international observers as fair they were unfair and therefore i don't know and we don't know of this special forces from britain in place and that that's very clear and frankly you were virtually alone in parliament this week speaking the way you were just speaking to me what does it feel like to be completely alone in the commons laufer isolated i've got to say i mean i was on both sides of the chamber which is very regrettable i must say to you know here you know colleagues actually you know speaking in these terms as if you know they just simply accept everything that is being said all the propaganda and as i've already said look i'm not here is an apologist for the for the government they'd. the shadow chancellor george
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mcgovern lens editor of sector. oh yes i was a letter this way didn't really say very much so it depends no intervention but just on the point in relation to the elections which allegations that he didn't just come from a debate yesterday in relation to that one of the things in terms of the situation in venezuela one of things they were claiming there was in of the election was rigged but i've spoken to election observers who were there and they said it's impossible to rig the elections in venezuela because every vote which is cast has to be twinned with voter id and a fingerprint of the voter. jimmy carter himself his election observatory in previous elections a bitterly not this one has said that the election process in venezuela is the safest anywhere in the world better helping some criticisms of the election process this time around but it's important also thing to remember the the opposition players who did for the election of a lot section of the opposition boycotted the presidential elections but those that
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did oppose murderer they were able to come pain openly and they accepted julio sayings or accepted the outcome of the election when he was asked that very question at a press conference with one of the election observers asking the question do you accept it and he did and now we're suddenly told you know the elections were a little illegitimate i think there was that was on video we've actually spoken to a visual election observer liz program who said much the same but what was this debate in the first twenty four hours was ivan duncan there are acting going on voice absolutely and he was again indulging in the you know the bellicose rhetoric he was with peo and the russian envoy in journeys over oil and sunday at the u.n. security made reference to that and you know it was it was very bombastic very bellicose very personal rude about me personally said i was vying to be the most hated man in parliament as well as the most hated man in venezuela for basically standing up for you know decently you were a democracy i was yes at least in observing he said he said in bollywood on monday . to you but i'm astonished he's even prepared to show his face in this house the
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house of commons today or why did he saying that or because i'm basically challenging the narrative that he is putting forward the government is putting forward then for somebody who claims to support democracy to suggest to a fellow parliamentarian that i should be ashamed of showing my face in the mother of parliaments democratic outrage and other democratic oh well as opposed to there we are ok well the bank of england before goldman sachs gurney he is refusing to give the venezuelan government its gold reserves back at the drays amazing it's up to the bank of england who they want to give or take gold from what do you think about the legitimacy of the bone giving state theft. an acceptable and cannot be allowed to stand in my opinion i mean you know we talk about a sovereign nation here yes it's got its massive problems these problems are being exacerbated for the reasons i've already outlined but that does not justify taking
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this sort of action because that is only going to compound the problems and also points does it not towards the very real drive towards regime change to get their hands on the oil and then what we will see is potentially wholesale privatization and then we'll be back to potentially where we were before hugo chavez came to power in nineteen ninety eight ninety nine i believe it was and that we saw about you know that pink tide that democratic bolivarian revolution which swept the continent i'm a huge improvements in the standard of living and quality of life for ordinary people across the continent of that as well let's also remember that nearly liberalism was imposed at the point of a gun it from chile chile and on words and a bit by the time that chavez came into office i think it's around about forty percent of latin americans or more were living in abject poverty. it does not work new liberalism is anathema and you know we have to resist it we have to stand up
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for democracy and decency and call for calm heads in this situation who would say i just think this situation could really escalate very very quickly will tourism a deadly things one great who is the. one way to go he's even stand in the election again so there are polls eighty one percent of him as well as have never heard of him why do you think tourism is a bit of them well that's that's a good question isn't it clearly that it seems they've been in discussions happening and it seems that he is a useful puppet potentially you know for the for the u.s. to enable them to you know bring about the regime change that they want to do in order to get on to get their hands on the keep referencing the oil reserves of the of the country i mean if we had didn't have these sanctions on the country if we had a situation where you know the states of u.k. and other or the western powers were you know working in collaboration with the venezuelan government then we could eliminate the shortages we could start to see once again as we were seeing them to each other is the significant improvements in
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the standard of living and the quality of life for anything as well and people in that you know. they speak with forked tongue in my opinion those who are claiming to you know be concerned about the plight of poor venezuelans because what they are doing they are they are taking supporting a path that will impoverish and potentially cause the law itself hundreds of thousands if not millions of venezuelans unless as i've said comments don't prevail just finally very briefly you surely can agree with trump though that everyone needs now needs to pick a side well i don't like that kind of rhetoric frankly the side i'm picking is the side of the venezuelan people the side of decency this on the side of fairness rather than the side of neo liberalism which is what he seems to be the side he seems to be picking this was a thank you. after the break tom but it sounds too good to. be we go political drilling with the rapper who falls to labor m.p. to apologize for attacking the leader jeremy corbett both of them all coming up
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above to have going on the ground. i mean i mean i did you know where your years are. you going to. those whom you're most over both will be in your years and years it was notable just made very little money but really you know. the ways the ways of the i did my best diligent in the white movement. more. than enough to see you know. there's one of those are the ones. these will get. you know it's not there you know. the country is gone into a nihilistic fever best one i think and hit the road and get out the traveling
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across america to find what makes america take the charlatans the genius of this the quintessential american hero this is and we've come a point around which hollywood is gone so we always are on the margins someone called the culture listening party going on. we're starting last with is going to headed east into the swamp we're going into the belly of the beast i think i want to leave now governor anymore gone down on the we may be completely different but the end of this jet. ski. no.
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welcome back given the responsibility for social violence that some breakers here is alleged should the berlin philharmonic be arrested for performing beethoven's ode to joy the e.u. anthem because in the south of the british capital two musicians kendo and i am have been given suspended prison sentences for performing drill music here is what the boss of britain's biggest police force thinks of drill gangs who make drill videos and in those videos they taunt each other and say what they're going to say to each other and of specifically what they are going to do to and that's my question to you and your next guy i will say nic i'm coming after you this week in
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straight speak but from one hundred twenty thousand people reportedly dying due to u.k. austerity policies to british backed bombs dropping on school buses in yemen it's arguably our politicians that cause the most violence i will not rest until she is chopped up in bags in my freezer and i won't knife you in the back i'll knife you in the front these are not the words of rappers calling for violence on the streets of a public statements from politicians rapper drilled minister took the words and put them to drill music to expose arguable hypocrisy that is seen videos pulled from youtube and rappers banned from performing he joins me now julie welcome to going underground tell me about why you want to run for mayor of greenwich famous all around the world for a time i believe that people are ready for. a change and after lead to people are ready for someone you generally. as the environment and community and this is taking part in that community i think we're ready for that change and i believe i'm that change this time that we're living in we're never going to be in this time
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again disparate situation isn't going to come again these referendums and talks of referendums this a happening again the people empowered to main thing i want to put the main message i want to get out there the people in power all right now they are a generation that have messed up of the entire history of all politicians in this country there's never been a message like this do not put your faith in these people if we don't come together with our own personal people's result you will find yourself living in greece none of these politicians in the mosque over there are wise i'm a walk around the world to see are there a more exact knowledge of good valley but in terms of running a good country i don't know about the way the president has metropolitan police force the largest police was in this country says that it's you tube that has to take the drill music videos to save society superintendent my question number of videos inciting violence have been taken down it's the kind of music you make that
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is more dangerous than anything they might say i think this is where we start going to judged. we stopped in labels expression is these are people young children young. young people whose parents are on crack they're speaking their experiences so are they to be silent because their parents i'm not speak about this i do not submit to talk about how did the universe is the colleges the phone them are without any indication of what i think is going to be i don't want to talk on their experiences where does this stop come from who. authorized to stop had to live in the same life or the people that they chastise and that's what we really need to ask ourselves that's what disturbs me if you're stopping young men from being able. told their experiences and get their family of a situation that the government placed me in with a stereo because bad n.h.s. situations where education is not open to them you don't talk about that the government will talk about that but what you want to talk about is money put in
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literature shakespeare put in poems to give all a making and now if only you cheap you want a band artistic right come on man this country is going to portman come and look at the grand event as it was something like that could never in the usa which is a constitution we we do have one but then so you are contending that it is about class a lot of your tracks and all your music it is a plus because i have to say these politicians would say the reason all those cuts need to be made was that we could pay off the losses of the bankers and while we let's put it this way mark. as lived in this country for over fifty years and pay taxes over fifty years in britain and pay taxes she lost her entire fortune or whatever issue had saved for those years when the financial crash happened she lost everything. so why would that same woman after fifty years of contributing to was disappointing me be blamed and have to be the person that bails
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out these very same bankers that did this to us does that make any sense in the in in the world we're living in but this is what the politicians. explained is just what the politicians are telling us to pay for other people's mistakes and then we should feel. great food that there's even a little bit of extra change benefits and little things here and there that we should be grateful for. and bailed out your cousin was a bailed out of nothing but you can be bailed out she's in the areas that they don't care for she don't even consider that really in the past week was a scandal and i am just being given suspended sentences said to have performed drill music which incited violence they breach an injunction on being a member of a gang what do you make of that scandal and i am from london here. just to the. next forever and hold it a month or two at a party trying to make good like the rest of us trying to make some benefit if i'm
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here if them were from oxford in cambridge making the same music about their environment would the police be putting this on them. you can't blame people for where their parents decided to grow their mark they're talking the experiences of what happens on their road if you want to make a difference to reason me. michael gove all of you people don't understand how this works why don't you take yourselves to a celebrity get me out of here come live in south london in the blocks with demand then for a year on the same universal credit that you're dishing out and filming let it be seen live like scandal when am and then attempt to go to the studio and make a song and i would love to see what these people will come out with i'm sure it won't be about national treasury and it won't be about the n.h.s. and they'll be talking about wow i saw a crack at today he offered me his boxer shorts you're going to see rule two things to squander my blood the prostitutes eleven o'clock who are selling their body to
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feed their children that's what you going to be seen in the areas this is what men see daily this is what the government don't want to talk about because you want to pretend that these things don't exist but i see the woman said in a body every night before i go home when i go to put my let cheeky she's dead on the corner because she needs to feed her kids and there is no universal credit so in that little lady particularly your lyrics are focused on universal credit the new welfare people jennifer says credit is messing up the who you've implemented something that you wanted used for gentrification money is not the minute you want all of these new immigrant dons all of these new people that you think are not the first tier of economy in london to be out of london you're trying to move on to burma nums both the hamptons these next dover's these next outskirts places and you won't mind the big c. even when i'm out of burma was a little pools your way of managing to do this is to raise up the price of the house in given to see make bad people outside of big european investors big american investors to come buy the property the house rents of the london stock the
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house rent of london or standard and then basically you're given people between your council or your team to put in universe. credit you give your pay for some of their subsidiary of their rent what you're doing is giving people that don't have any clue about money management haven't been in employment for a while i thousand pounds in their account who haven't had a thousand pounds for like maybe three four years given to me in one lump sum what are they doing gambling game betting shop doing this people of got bad habits people got back to british especially in the hood what it in comes out to rent a man and got the rent done spender and own clothes because he just had a firm as a pound for the first time you have a look did the government knows you going to do this because they say out like this once you start doing this boom boom boom you start spending of your rent before you know your three months over when you rent and you get a victim was sure if it did not they can now sell off that place of being a council property and it's for private investment that no longer is council form the council the have to reality there and we've got to outskirts that place now
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gets real we put into the system now that the property price goes up and some next guy from lithuania by the police no you see that's how they're doing this thing that's not a game with them and that's why i say university is the death of one of your tracks you're accusing them of having blood on their herds there's blood on their hands and for how many to much blood is there on that and these man's hands these men are talking about drew boy into who didn't stab wounds these men are said in multiple arms killing people all around the world does that daily it's not to say there are every single bombing minus that she should be going to sleep and you have nightmares about it because it does how decisions get made every day it's not an easy decision but at the end of the day it is blood in your hands you can't deny that someone's child some ways they can bury because it's a reason why today are we going to deny that one even told me to a mosquito of got what more babies hands blood in their hands you know i go i go i don't believe it said hey i'm askin going got no more babies blood in their hands but reason made those but yet she's able to chastise them what world does that make
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sense to reason maybe you are a wasteland out when it's man a big waste man and it's just not. he said right now i don't know what madam i did it because all i'm saying is michael go waste man starts a waste land tourism a wasteland that's what i'm seeing and based upon i want to tell you some different cities on different focus on different and gentlemen is to thank you and joel minister will be playing us out with his song northern irish backstop as mixtape as it's gangs is out soon and that's if the show will be back on saturday with award winning comedian radio host jimmy dory to joke about neo liberal politicians calling for a venezuelan coup in the name of democracy until then keep in touch via social media see on saturday twenty years to the day a good chavez was sworn in as president of venezuela his job minister with northern irish backstop. heist to be change. gave us a dead referendum. and said to them to table to the.
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recession hit it head tilt support of the. times come out how many times. go not come but it sounds a bit go to the back up close and see no change the subject want to move on c.b.s. me no face that tom returns to the screen or assume it's not me to see good morning he told me not a photo so much dreams which may have to vote but if you were to do it at the street backbenches could you repeat just these eight feet in approaches agendas that's a trip down process for the dogs so if you eat your methods that's michael going to be keeping just a reason to get a census to tell you that if you would stick you could be forced to be treated actually fronts toward appreciate dismembered country tikrit which right she should have to be from that sentence but an overnight a backstop how he did you see what fictions we live peacefully we see because she's
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going to treat you kid new for a time you going to stop not going to produce cheech you see we are going to use a street with difficult. for some school for. that company to go to the bottom will see no change. on them all to see if we don't face that company tend to be good to see this not me this is the market don't know i don't know don't so much streams company time to go to the pub to see the change the status of all t.v. don't face the topics has to be good to scoop up. if it don't mean not so much dreams try to distort you this way and put up the quote for question did average joe bloggs have to stand before the referendum that's what it was meant by sounds good. that would support her for it to produce but not let's go a little worlds menu to discover this kind of to be of racism is going to from dust up with you know the poll that uses treats home to the should this not something
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which markets new suits minus the jokers you don't respect know you keep forwards the company sounds good to the bosses see the change. on the old c.v. said in the face tommy towns would be good to. me to see good martin told me not to go so much. us veterans who come back from war often tell the same stories. were going after the people who were killing civilians they were not interested in the wellbeing of their own soldiers either there already several generations of them so i just got this memo from the surgery branch offices were got back and destroyed the government and seven countries in five years americans pay for the walls with their money others with their lives if we were willing to go into harm's way and
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willing to risk being killed for a war and surely we can risk. discomfort uneasiness in your. child's seemed wrong wrong when all the world's just all. the world is yet to shape out this day and you can't get out of jail and in detroit because betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart when you choose to look for common ground. country's gone into a nihilistic he doesn't want to thank you hit the road and get out the traveling across america to find what makes america take the schalit in the genius of this
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the quintessential american hero this is it we've come a point around which alan would have done something we always are on the margins something. called the culture is moving for you. bob. we're starting last with is we're going to headed east into the swamp we're going into the belly of the bee i think i want to leave now governor getting oregon to know that we may be completely different and a mystery. few. united states can always had a right. to use and its tax on other country's. economic sanctions or are often just the beginning another thing you like to do is place some military pressure on the countries a jury talking about. and
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there has to be an effort to demonize that country and the leader of that country because. we have a responsibility for the home. and we need to make rules for the rest. because without hours there would be chaos. days before withdrawing from a landmark arms control agreement the u.s. says it's going to produce a new atomic warheads it claims the weapon will help lower the threat of nuclear conflict. venezuelan president nicolas maduro accuses donald trump of ordering his assassination this is the country's supremes called him balls venezuela's self declared interim president from leaving the country and blocks his assets.


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