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tv   Sophie Co  RT  February 25, 2019 1:30am-1:59am EST

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welcome to come sophie shevardnadze interest intentions are moving the middle eastern peace even further away will israel and palestine be locked in conflict for ever well i ask mohamed to stay in president mahmoud abbas's advisor. with yet another american leader trying to find a solution to the israeli palestinian conflict the parties remain bogged down by a beautiful stalling accusations as hopes for peace continue to fade where might a breakthrough come from to move the process along is there a chance of compromise with both sides entrenched in politics and grudges how can the international actors help result of this century long quarrel. mohamed hysteria adviser to president mahmoud abbas welcome to the show it's really great to have you with us today so mr a stay as united states host of the middle east conference and war so the palestinian side was invited to take part in this question of the arab israeli tensions how science foreign ministry called to some it's an american
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conspiracy aimed at getting the participants to adopt washington's views on palestinian issue so did palestine by boycotting it is actively throw in the towel without citing i mean where you that sure that your voice would be hurt who could use it and water so it actually produce results it has no value whatsoever to be i wanted to focus attention and shift attention from it being the source of conflict and very gentle do is shift attention that iran is the source of tension and very gentle which is totally unplayed if that's your decision israel has occupied so i married the golan heights by this the number three south lebanon and so on so without end big palestinian israeli conflict you're not going to go anywhere with the solving the middle east the show this is one secondly we know that it was a short journey did know about them before us did. and russia did not attend the
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ballistae knows what in most school so all in all a lot united states was the one to do is simply a show therefore we are not that enough interested in football bored to tears we are interested in serious issues united states vice president mike hans has set that to war so summit marked the beginning of the new era with benjamin netanyahu breaking bread was an arab leaders do you feel sort of betrayed by your friends here well look they go bottom in fact or between us and out of companies is that a peace initiative that of peace initiative is the guy didn't lines for that abyss that i literally actions which explicitly states that is that i should withdraw from occupied territories and a lot of normalizing relations with israel this has not happened and therefore i think the arabs should not be that is not the us should not betray the at obese initiative the saudis would assert it about it it was floated about it money out of
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companies who didn't attend and those who attended this it explicitly that this is not going to be a very expensive buy this line this is handling the other issues for us but is somebody we said that well i'm not going to go we were hoping the companies should know about them but each of the out of companies was actually basing its got a position on it's better sort of entrust within that regional complex but by all means this is not the way to hunt the middle east issues that way to husband it is that the top be sufficient that is the guy declines for everybody the palestinian leadership has no trust in the united states as fair mediators in the middle east peace process anymore traum now is promising to roll up the middle eastern deal of the century in april what are your expectations of this deal. first of all there will be no deal because the deal needs a bit of not of the ballast in those autumn up but of notice the one. because of
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them to trump is initiating one secondly this is going to people out of bed because we don't know the content of the deal that only talks about a state in gaza that doesn't that doesn't refer to six or seven borders that doesn't refer to you by two or three that doesn't deal with the policy not if you g.'s that moves the embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem the american embassy that is using blackmail to kmiec and missile to try to push there by the scene a suicide and to accept their base the peace initiative order they i thought i'm better ideas that is not going to happen so for us we have spoken loud and clear our voice was loud and clear and our president has explicitly stated that we are them of going to be bought of the do this deal and until now united states has not found them not in europe i'm not saying that i see your point but there are
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speculations in the past that the deal may include washington's recognition of is jim resilin ascalon to how science capital is that happens will you trust the united states with a mediate a role again well look. for us it is very explicit that we need an international conference that is based on international law the man issue for us is to respect international law to respect united nations resolutions that is one secondly our president has called for and the national conference thirdly united states has always brueggemann to be a biased broke up and fourth important issue that what is needed from united is this is to build confidence with the palestinians before united states. is submitting its ideas when for this building measures it means that they have to do you can said out of jerusalem as capital. is that they have to go back
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on this issue they have to all but the washington be a law office and to resume funding for another one as well as other international to get this saw the palestinians are waiting for one thing that is building measures from washington the united states has criticized palestine many times for stalling the peace talks palestine's chief negotiator sadie katz says there have been forty meetings with the u.s. representatives in twenty seventeen alone why don't americans have an impression that students are not interested in peace are palestinians actually styling at all those little well i mean this is very unfair accusations we have been and this process since october thirtieth one thousand to one since my dad confronts the peace process that we have engaged and it was up and down and all of the time we had with engaged we had meetings three meetings with president obama four to seven meetings with john kerry we were engaging with the president to glendon we want to
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get in with president bush the son the father out on so on and so forth on the contrary by the scene as they did never out of shana with their faces of from these serious negotiations and now without accusing us over staying away from the negotiating table at a time when there how big they think the shots united states is taking unilateral measures against things that has been good between us and those that i just let me give you example joe's island is a negotiation issue between us on this level with the signature of that is that i is they say it is accepted that there was a limb is a negotiation issue that israelis have accepted that if you g.'s is a negotiation issue that israel is have accepted that sixty seven borders but it is on the table so there is that i.e. it is us and they have accepted all of these things and now president bomba saying that there was an abyss is off the table that if you just as off the table. both
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even far ahead than the body of a right wing government in this life so therefore it is not we who are this thing go away from that they believe it is united states that is that won't by the seen as those that are not of you and that once the but is the only sign the deal will not have your president president abbas called for establishing a multilateral mechanism for conciliation this time not led by the united states however it didn't look like europe was too excited about as a concerted effort in mediation why do you think i mean can palestine hope to get more traction for this idea yes simply yes because in the end up with this conference two thousand and three it was agreed that and the national conference should pick this and more school didn't happen the french had tried to have an international conference. the united states attended john kerry was there but not on the whole didn't didn't come there says that income no for us the most important
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side of the story is that the international confidence that president abbas has a spoken about is that on the table there are some european countries who are saying let's wait for a thrombin isha the moment it is dead that out of the really a bit of betting some idea as to call it the boss but i'm fairly out of ideas that might emerge from europe and here i called the russian federation to really take the lead on this issue with china with some european countries because we have to have it forward back position the moment it i'm been issued they've declared a surprise time has long insisted up the idea of the concentration with palestine israel jordan is this a sign of things to calm i'll say direction that the debate is about to take isn't time to look for outside the box solutions. well look which means systematically
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destroying got those the solution which does enjoy an international consensus one secondly it is it is the state of israel that is pushing things into it but i did go to addition what does it mean that palestinians. and by listing young muslims and christians there. about six point six million by the stadiums and there are about six blind five million jews and historically by this time next year it went to twenty now by this thing yes this will be fifty one one six percent of the book relational by this time so i thought of today is that i will accept the idea of two state solution with the by the scene a step on the border that is over six to seven with your use of them as its capital or we are going to be slipping i underline the slipping into a one step at a yell at the eye on the line that he had it which means that we will be living
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living in a de facto one the state situation and therefore is likely to will find itself neither to do what it means that it will become by de facto and about by this that i have to interrupt you we're back we'll continue talking to hama just i am president mahmoud abbas's advisor discussing the middle east peace process and the road blocks it's facing stay with us. but politicians to. put themselves on the line they did accept the road.
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so when you want to be president i'm sure. somehow wanted us. to try to cross the saliva before three in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters in the house. last question. her. win goal make the manufacture consensus instead of public wealth. when the running plus isn't protect themselves. when the financial
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merry go round lifts only the one percent so. we can all middle of the room signals. morrill new. poll. i've been saying the number is something they've measured the us has over one trillion dollars in debt more than ten white collar crime families each day. eighty five percent of global wealth he longs to be ultra rich eight point six percent of the world markets close to thirty percent some with four hundred to five hundred three per second per second and fifth one rose to twenty thousand dollars. china's building two point one billion dollars a i industrial park but don't let the numbers overwhelmed. the. the only number you need remembering one one you know
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more than the one and only but. i will back with mohamed to stay at present that would have asked his advice or discussing the arab israel attentions welcome back to the so mr benyamin netanyahu is a hard line leader whose base is to the right of center among the conservative more militant israel is using the ideology that his appeal rests on will let him actually give something up to palestinians i mean will his voters and ministers and army general friends allow him to do it no they sure is not whether they will allow him or hope their usual himself is not permitted to give anything he is not giving
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this is what i hate this is our thought of today that is ok by netanyahu has been given the chance in two thousand and ten he had meetings with our president the bottom month and the presence of secretary head of the current then he had meetings with our president their shuttle mission and the president has to go back and then he had a third meeting with our president at his house and with generals on him so all in all he had all the opportunity to proceed to make progress with this he never did and i think that he has and i don't know just and his that reflection of light winds for society that is breeding a very right wing government there is no bought about it is liable for us with the presence of mr enough money oh so you think palestine should just wait for a change of leadership before any peace hopes can be realised. this is suddenly because i think that the national community should book brush over one is allowed to move we should look for a new pew biota to end its occupation there has to be
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a serious and got a shot by shot of an order format that he will submit to the international will that this occupation should end and it come up when can you make an ism to do pressure is economic political and there are so many means in which that the national community has brought about a tide system in south africa on its knees and it was and did with international pressure that the neo should face the same thing talks between hamas and other palestinian factions bought no tangible results in bringing all sides to consensus can any agreement be reached with this route while there is no unity in the palestinian ranks. well they chose not to be lifted to unity because the split among palestinians has been since two thousand and seven so what about. says the widget in which there was no space between ninety ninety three and two thousand and seven there was no there was no progress and so therefore i don't think that of
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course the spirit does the heart of the palestinian cause and people who will come under glim look you know but it's the there's a lot of divided with homare judgment that have risen that there were the palestinian people whether and gaza in the west bank and bora everywhere album as in our president he talks on behalf of the be a little with this that i adore the agreements has been signed with the p.l.o. so if there is that it is already for because we're out of the problem is that they find justification and excuses for a really big the occupation that has occurred and i want to go to court in ninety six or seven what i've asked has been tightening screws on gaza cutting salaries to former government workers in the street and slashing funds for electricity supply from israel to gaza that's on yahoo has been accused of us of choking gaza i understand that he's measures are aimed at pressuring hamas to disarm but i mean people support for the group is as strong as ever this is mean mom would have asked
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his measures are in a sack this. well look is actually putting all of these sort of things that he has in fact is that it is who is putting a seizure it is like that has been since two thousand and seven until today that has been really closing off gaza for the un totally there is no movement to people if it is going to allow. the stadiums out of the gaza strip even to come to the west bank we welcome that if it is going to allow trade between the west bank and gaza we want them by the state doesn't get a lot of people off there are a set of the measures that have been taken and now these measures are to just sell it as has gone from fifty votes on to seventy five got a son and now it's going to be a totally different story so that we should not really shift focus from who is putting doesn't that a siege it is that is that i live measures that has been there since two thousand and seven and all it does is see jd the palestinian author of it is not really
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settling does are putting out a siege because of the end of the day we know the conflict with house is political we will not put. measures that is going to cause harm to our people these are our people who elected bunch is not something that we do we of course we want the consolidation to happen because the split is not in our favor and do it the only way for us to end this is that is by dia log and by agreement unfortunately many agreements that has been signed it has not been yielding simply because of regional factors and regional players who don't want to see this but have seen in unity happening and don't think it's right to say there hamas leader mahmoud out zahara has accused people links to sata trying to track gas into another war with israel by firing rockets from the strip how can you respond to these accusations i mean how masses and full control of gaza fatah has not offered in gaza. how mass is it
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us wants a bill for the security situation in gaza this is something which is that addicted us because when the bought a scene or thought he was in gaza there are these people there were firing you know rockets on is that i am saying that this is and that ever is a stance why is it now that if somebody else is throwing brokers and it becomes doing it do you know. how. to conflict this is really something that is not understandable and it is not the product the most important thing is not who is going to push goes away the people in gaza to our people we want this conflict to end we want this to end and therefore there is now only one way out of this misery over gaza which is the palestinian unity one or thought of one man one machine gun one goal and that's the only way out if not then we go to elections we have said if
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our model for him and you can study action is not acceptable to hamas and if how much his model for an inquisition is not acceptable to dos then let's go to the people let's see if out of the hole they should to be but let that by the senate be able to decide through a elections and decide who is going to run the affairs of that but as the the people we are ready for that we had it before the elections and we are ready to go to morrow for elections the moment is that a lousy i'll still have a ticket actions in jerusalem and allows us to have elections in the gaza strip. so one does moves only makes things worse i mean the logical question here is how can sata hope to gain any foothold in gaza i think it's willing to treat its residents this way and then according to december poll by the palestinian center for policy and survey research if snap elections were to be held hamas leader would have left president abbas way behind. well look i mean. as we know what will be honest about it does show that fatah has in the lead it does show that although
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opinion as well is that i consult and see and so on i am on board of this organization that you are referring to that of the day as i said they show is not about a billion dollars they sure is that if there is a will there is a way we want elections to take place we are all saw asking european capitals to put pressure on israel to allow us to have elections in jerusalem and i hope that they shall would have us will be settled that hamas will really come to ground and accept the idea of going to elections very soon so according to some reports flowing in after the u.s. led conference and more so under trunk so-called deal of the country of the century the gulf states would bear the brunt of the costs of gaza's restoration would you welcome bearing wellman them in what hamas welcomed them given how close it was as
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welcomed by us as long as it goes through the legitimate leadership of the palestinian people the legitimate of the but is the no authority as long as it goes through the offer shall chance we welcome that because that of the as i said earlier these people are our people but if this assistance is going to be inclusive with political amberleigh with. does for certain countries that's a totally different story then it becomes a manifestation of the split and other than here really help. very. you know a recent report by middle east media research. relations between the two palestinian parties are now at the point quote where each side is saying that the other no longer represents the palestinian people that's a direct quote how the palestinians feel about this in in your opinion i mean do they do they feel represented by any of the parties at this table can they hold fair result in
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a against hamas. well the distinct feeling for this assumption is the opening of borders is the boxes saw and the stead of claiming this and i think that we challenge how mass to accept the idea of elections we ought to be for it well to do good without and we will bring democracy back into action for there by the scene of one of the guy that you know which is very important to us today lee gave this sort of emotional think embryonic democracy that we started with it should not die down one second and voted on the issue is that these sort of claims i clam on the counter claim it doesn't how them ballast it doesn't really help how much as it doesn't tell about it but it was said that you know this government is the judgment this government is not legitimate the other end of the day that i shall community will say to hell with both of them and we should avoid that and i think we should be a just once have been president abbas has been elected by the people there be
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a law which president abbas and also that is the sole legitimate that are present that the will of the but has the people which is that it could not is by old palestinian which is there could not by all out of companies which is there going now is by that the national community and united nation so if there is a spit then go thought of the there is a unity and there be a law all right thank you very much for this interview we're talking to mohammad to stay and rise or to present the who would have asked discussing tensions between israel and palestine and ways to deceased and that is it for this edition of something come.
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when i was told seemed wrong. but old rules just don't hold. any old belief get to shape out just to come out again and engage with equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. we came here where did you work before you came here when as you live well death row in many us states there are some people because of what they did they have given up the right to live among us some even proven innocent after years on death row and how many more exonerations is it kind take before we as a society realize that this is not working and we actually do something about.
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sixty metal. just. isis fighters and no boarding a philippine naval ship. but not for me ned. they. just aren't up to us still don't know what's waiting for them. and i are not able. to pick it out. of my.
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war. we're going to do the things that need to be done to make sure that the people's voice that democracy reigns and that there's a brighter future of the people of. necessary to ensure a transition to democracy. between government protesters
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shows. move. the japanese government is pushing through the construction. and you.
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