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last few days was released since about. incidents that killed and injured civilians in yemen it's very preventable many of the cases what we have documented there is no even a military target people themselves were asking why we were targeted. it is even a strange it's just it's not that's why it's not a matter of training it's a matter of accountability they don't care but dres i'm a does care not hear about the eighty percent of the twenty four million requiring humanitarian assistance or the fourteen point three million right now in acute need but about the country she is selling the weapons to what matters is that we have the relationship in gauge that enables us to do that but we will also be talking about the very important relationship that u.k. has with saudi arabia an important relationship yes in terms of trade but also in terms of security security the jeremy corbyn who backs international calls for an arms embargo and saudi arabia says it's actually threatened by u.k. involvement in the world's worst humanitarian crisis the government is of course
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still suppressing reporting to the funding of extremism which allegedly found evidence of saudi funding going to terrorist groups here in the u.k. thus threatening our security well while the u.k. backed government of saudi arabia bombs yemen it is being italy's deputy prime minister a man who is obviously has come out urging that the world famous scholar opera house of milan does not accept saudi funds this is italy like twenty six other nations hold a veto over british demands to extend the article fifty bricks of process of itoh asked by those like nigel farage to implement to ensure a new deal breaker joining me now is former director general of the italian treasury professor enzo could only thank you so wetlands are coming back on do you think british people watching now i know you'll see l.s.e. students in london they they delve more heavily for brics given the way the e.u. is treating britain. but not really because i think at the end of the day the
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treated fairly and the u.k. what i was surprised that the u. countries stand united behind but me and the commission on this deal on this negotiation but at the end of the day i think there has been flexibility there has been a second proposal i mean let's face it i mean there's not much else that you know not many of the things that the can offer i mean there was a bit of difference between two is going. on on twitter i don't know whether that is really bluesy like that you're just saying about the unity is that because they threaten member states over you subsidies to get in line over allowing britain to extend the brakes a process quite a quite a feat but listen it's i understand that my feel a little bit you know a kind of overstretch to get all the countries in line to allow the u.k. for an extension of them but at the end of the day i think. the u.s.
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has already you know shown that can be flexible whenever there is a need for that so i mean angling to be a commissioner now has some would say denmark ireland front voted against. whenever any european country votes to get out there never allowed to but let's was way when you are in a negotiation you try to to be tough ok and you have to you know set your red lines and so forth but once you're in if the u.k. demands an extension i seriously doubt that there would be any objection so i think the you would easily allow the u.k. to have an extension the issue is how long they're what conditions to do what because that that's a duty would seem to bear that in the british bet so that's a really sure and this is something they need to be sorted out by the u.k. parliament not not to you yeah they don't even seem to know in britain but i mean what do you make of nigel for saying. and specifically aaron banks is levy you
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claiming if the u.k. politicians betray breaks it salvini can defend the seventeen point four million beach owing fifty x. you know this is noise and i think they said about four hours before the break said referendum yeah but let's pursue a there is a consistent policy by the italian government to kind of support the u.k. in this process and try to be called parity so i see it was the that there would be any such move by the time government you know i know you've been writing about the popularity of selvi the actually and the lega is in contrast arguably to five star water italians thinking about the european union given that it slipped into recession at the end of. yeah i think at the italians definitely becoming more euro skeptic ok you can see that in the euro but on the data ok so it's not it's not you know an impression is just that and also some of the evidence however i seriously
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doubt that italians are becoming so you are skeptic to really ask for exiting the euro ok so if you i think i think if you ask people do you really want to exit the euro people would over when we say no ok but i think they are happy to have the government have a more much more confrontational stance towards europe that's a point that's why they voted the euro parties such as the northern league or the league because now it's called the league or the five star movement don't forget that even the five star movement in two thousand and fourteen had a nation campaign with hash tag out of the euro so they are both anti you would have parties ok but again people voted for the spot is not to exit the euro but to have a much more confrontation on a strong position versus the rest of the one which it which my big place by the way but it's not when you are at the bank i'm not sure the. just exploded these kinds
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of things but the. bloomberg organization saying that you know per capita italy gets less than spain inches of e. structural funds and germany gets more for its farmers than italian farmers which people might know what immediately there is some spect yeah there is some truth in that i mean you know that these you know structural funds have the result of a kind of story called. you know different layers of decisions by the family doesn't spend very much of the ones easily able to italy is not very good in spending these funds ok because usually when you when you get these funds so you have to finance the projects and italy hasn't been particularly good in designing and proposing good projects and core financing these projects so there is certainly some fault on the side of italy and probably do some fault on the side of the u.s. well but again this is the situation in the do you think that's played its part in political changes have been as you said the reagans doing doing better i mean
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people of course are commenting about the fact that france initially had a diplomatic spat where ambassadors were withdrawn not since nine hundred forty three of fascism then the largest communist party in europe then near liberalism and now we've got the is is there are genuine move to the extreme right of the kind of fascism we saw in the war. i don't think so all but certainly we need to be you know alerted and the risks that these could imply but. i think more generally i think you know there is a kind of protest. movement to auntie anthea stablish when people want to keep in mind that first of all i think. sabina played very well the card of immigration so the most moving against immigration which is closely linked to the policy is because as you know i think i don't think there is resentment because. of the structural funds but there was certainly resentment towards europe for the
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immigration policy and so he played that card very well for he's of a vantage and secondly for the refugees of history now it's not certain if you just secondly i think. there is a general sense of you know after twenty years of on the performance in economic terms people just want change they want to protest they want to go for you know new faces and so that was the idea behind the support of the five star movement and the league might well backfire i think this government is leading the country to crashing into a wall so but that's that's that's would be the story or is really supporters which really say fronts for instance supported the war in libya david cameron of course here destroyed libya which produced all the refugees which is proportionally going to yeah. yeah and so well you know. the other
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ten they would be you know keep in mind that the grassroots of the league particularly not in the northern part of the country is not so its theme is moderate is problematic it's it has been governed for a long wide and many months his ballot is many regions so all i think over time this part of the of the party of the league might prevail on my push not be any towards different policies just finally then. the thing that seems to have a lot of people particularly donald trump is that really says he's open to considering signing a bill to the road initiative agreement with the chinese communist party which of course could really really help the italian economy i don't think it's going to have been yet ok but this is a kind of a long term project. i don't think this is a strategic move there's no changes to the t.g. alliance is something little gardens and they didn't endorse it under tourism it now but i think i mean first of all pose. on the i don't think there's anything
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wrong with it ok because you know the day the project goes into europe and italy's the end point you know. and so i think it makes ancient silk road. so but it makes sense for the tribes who profit economically from this and. the problem is that you need to do with race in a proper way so not you know off and upset the alliances with the u.s. or upset the european partners because that would be counterproductive ok so you need to do in a way that these positive for all of. you know people not all just break free the former ambassador to china has had it as alberto but he said europe is not an asset for italy but a big liability whether it is a bit too much i think it is and i said europe about the days away to combine maybe some business with china and you know be compliant with the european policies presidents a good idea thank you for the break as the donald trump administration announces
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five million dollars for the controversial white helmets did nato nations illegally bomb syria on false information we investigated the u.k. u.s. funded white helmets staged a chemical attack in dubai. going underground. dream agreed to pressure. mr remember that it was most of the family were working. there wasn't it was bed you know much worse objectively today but there was an expectation that things were going to get better. there was a real sense of hopefulness there isn't today today's america i wish my the ten principles of concentration of wealth. reduce democracy
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attack soloed. engineer election manufacture consent and other principles according to. one set of rules for the rich. when you put her into the. truth. is dedicated to increasing power for chills just as you'd expect modern civilization of america. if i can say that i own for example all the brooklyn bridge and i and i sell a bond against the brooklyn bridge myself a billion dollar multibillion dollar bond against the brooklyn bridge while the actually somebody's going to come and i say ok well deliver them the brooklyn bridge and i say why can't i have the deed just like in the two thousand a sub prime crisis there were no deeds for the houses that goldman sachs says
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collateralized markets obligations and then sold into the fashion market and the bad side of the selling that is a yielding security to pension funds but there's nothing. welcome back to raise i'm a supporter by blairites as he called it m p's in the british parliament voted to bomb syria on the pretext of an alleged chemical attack by president assad's government last year but now that the un's official o.p.c. w organization has reported no nerve gas was actually used by the assad government while the apparent corporate media silence joining me now via skype from the syrian capital damascus is the m.p. for jobless dr ahmed ahmed thanks so much for coming on going underground the european think tank from germany global public policy i'll. the atlantic council
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says that syria's government is responsible for ninety eight percent of all chemical weapons attacks what do you say to vacuum. thank you for this question first of all syria syria state in two thousand and two thousand and thirteen has become a part of the chemical weapons convention and the syrians then went to the united nations to become part of this convention to say i'm not i don't use i don't use chemical weapons against our. people but if you want to talk about the last attack in duma there is not evidence that. syria or are to be used chemical weapons in this known to confirm that was fake and just to play to accuse the syrian army what tournaments i think has failed in syria and and this
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to play. clear for the syrian people or all only people so i think there is a may in the future we will not continue to pay this white helmet because i think from the beginning of this war against syria only players against syria made false or man or wrong decisions when they attack syria and when i think that i mean british states and i mean friendly states and united states why are these all these states cannot continue attacking syria. in this way because syria now is fighting the terrorism. when when the british when the british state supported the nato countries like the european union countries or the united. stays deny they support isis and al qaeda you say yes
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the sanctions meaning they effectively support isis and al qaeda i think we need to see the british state and the european estate in general more independence not. following it in following the united states because there is not interest to support this terrorist and to support them by weapons by money by anything and by sanctions against the syrian state when the european states put sanctions on the syrian state i think in direct way they support the terrorist groups because this this. will make syria that will make syrian state weak towards a day or two years to come so i think all european states that share this war against syria i should say sorry first of all and i think to facilitate
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the rebuilding syria and to push the political process towards not to stop the political process because there is there not between the syrian people and i think the european estates have to push this they're not between syria and their people so there is not problem is syria between between the syrian state and the syrian people well president assad as on the war but what about the north east of syria some say that the united states has kind of country in the northeast of syria will the syrian government recapture that land for sure the syrian army will go to the zones and when i say that i'm talking about my town about my city goblets and not of any people member all this is on saw the syria the syrian people. there are waiting waiting the syrian army because the syrian
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army and the syrian state has made the stable for this people the syrian people so that i'll carry i says i'm not up front the syrian a free army everything so. many player in this in this zones on this. yes it is that the syrian army under syrian state so if. not today tomorrow after two more of the syrian army will go to the zone to recapture all these on and i confirm that the syrian people are wetting the syrian army but today the u.s. army there how can the syrian army fight the u.s. army in the north east of syria ok this to the nitty gritty and i think. u.s. the troops will not fight the syrian army for the for for any reason because this is this not american syria american bottle i mean it is.
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this is only bottle and as you know. america big ally to is right the advisor to president assad but then the shotgun says that donald trump soldiers fire at syrian army positions that's true because they united states is there. supporting the israeli and its allies and when we talk about the american air all we we have to see is that iran in syria then now those that are easily lost in syria and it didn't anything during this war so i think this corporation between america and israel we will now we will stay and we will we will see more schoolish in in syria by eally and we are. being ourselves to fight them or to defend ourselves
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so i think america will estate state stand against us with is that in and we would stay against. them. ten zero zero one one of us. has made. the last week dirty dr ahmed very thank you well syrian politicians like ahmed are clear then countries like britain and the usa bombed a sovereign nation on false information joining me now via skype from new york in the usa is the chair of the syrian american council bassam refined he called on donald trump to bomb syria after the able to eighteen attack on duma just outside damascus assam welcome to going underground we just heard from a syrian m.p. is. says the duma attack was faked by rebel groups like the white helmets they staged scenes and there was no sarin gas used when you make of that he's referring to the o.p.c. w report that came out and that that report by its own admission is saying that
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they weren't able to. examine any of the dead bodies were harmed in that attack they say that there was a reasonable are attack through chlorine as well in that in that same attack which by the chemical weapons convention is still a term of a weapon when chlorine is weaponized it's still a crime of war crime you're saying that and you're right the report is full of witnesses said and so on and even the casualty figures so it's not as well because they found no evidence of sarin whatsoever but you're saying chlorine was there but sarin could have been but wasn't when the o.p.c. w were there as regards tried to get evidence sure so the o.p.c. w was barred for part access by russia for two weeks from the site of the attack and. we know that that site was scrubbed clean if you look at
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the symptoms of. of civilians who were harmed in that attack. you know it clearly shows that there was chemical weapons that was used but they didn't find any any evidence of that simply because they didn't have access to the site for two weeks now which by that point any any evidence was removed we're we're relying on on assad and russia to say that that that the area wasn't touched for those two weeks when they're the ones who carried out the attack moscow and damascus perth's said the it was for their own safety right but so you're saying that they they must have cleared the sarin gas but they left the chlorine there the chlorine is for one harder to to remove and oh b.t.w. is citing and at the same time the o.p.c. w even corroborated white helmet report of of the chlorine attack
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is as well as why it's easier to remove sarin than is to remove chlorine well simply because the evidence from the medical centers was reporting that the smell of chlorine was very strong so that by that same of the c w report they're saying that. they're saying that the medical centers in duma were reporting that the ship one the smell of chlorine was very strong on the victims and that the symptoms of the victims were consistent with a chlorine attack and at that same time the c.w. was. also corroborating the reports from the white house minutes in saying that there was a clearing attack and in this same o.p.c. w. report they're saying that it's reasonable that there was a chlorine attack that was carried out and like i said earlier it's a chlorine occurring attack is still. a chemical attack sure but of course some
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people say that the chlorine could have been in canisters or cylinders to do with water purification other things if they had the sir and you're saying it's just too difficult to hide chlorine but because the evidence of the chlorine was much stronger also chlorine is is a weapon that they've been using over and over and over again they're testing the boundaries of the end of the international world but a line that wasn't crossed according to the o.p.c. doubling. our sara. no again by its own admission they weren't allowed access to that area for two weeks and i mean if you wanted to hide the fact you're using chemical weapons and as you say chlorine is one surely you would disguise all of that we've had two weeks to disguise it well they're finding that chlorine is more acceptable and they're also trying to claim they're trying to disguise this as what they like to call for swag attack which is clearly not the weapons were were deployed through air you obviously didn't want all trying to bomb syria. we you
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don't frighten when you appeared saying that that it would benefit al qaeda and isis dash i said is the problem in syria as it is the one who is really there. the prop to hold up are isis and dosh and and no stronger and i've heard is a problem for al qaeda or at isis that i thought this would have to be he's actually i wouldn't say that they're sworn enemies that you can clearly see that that. fighting between i said and isis is. calculated and you can clearly see that there is maybe some sort of collaboration frankly between the two they will now obviously thousands of people are returning back to syria across the jordanian border even the european union has to be recognizing that don't trump any way said the syria war u.s. involvement was wrong what now for president assad do you think reconstruction of
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syria and what the syrian american council has been saying for these past years of civil war it's now about reconciliation but for one i haven't heard our in any regard whatsoever that president trump said that. our involvement in syria was wrong he said but the primaries against hillary clinton who of course backed bombing of syria but as a president trump i've never heard. that. you know before he was informed more appropriately. i've never heard anything since then secondly when we're talking about reconstruction i don't believe that any reconstruction should go to and i said to banks that any reconstruction should go to russian companies or iranian companies that share it but we actually we spoke to the syrian government they said the contracts obviously involving syrian companies but presumably china russia all those countries most of the world in fact that continue to defect to
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support the assad government they will get the contracts for the rebuilding which i understand is already underway in damascus here and how is that appropriate to a war contracts to the same the same countries that have caused destruction on the syrian people there i don't find out appropriate i don't see how that could. realistically and fairly. represent all of syrians in in syria so therefore i don't think that reconstruction at this point is is the appropriate measure what is the proper measure of bombing syria again now the peace is broken out it's not that that i want to see bombing of syria it's that i want to see i said real reasonably and realistically come to negotiation table he really hasn't that's far even and even in two thousand and thirteen you know shit about he's won the war isn't i wouldn't say that he's won the war i think that's an unfair and unreasonable characteristic of of where the war currently is i think the war has
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moved into a different phase i wouldn't say that he's won the war i think that most syrians you will find do not support said and in fact even amongst loyalist population you'll see that there's that there's large dissent even right now occurring because they're finding that economically i said is not supporting the syrian people i said has used any finances to support his is war. he has not supported the syrian people . thank you and that's it for the show will be back when the un discusses nato destabilized venezuela. media. after the previous stage of my career was over everyone wondered what i was going
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to do next the different clubs in one hand it is logical to go from fields where everything is familiar on the other i wanted a new challenge and a fresh perspective i'm used to surprising. or not if you think. i'm going to talk about football now or else you can think i was going to do. by the way ways of the sliding here. is america first agenda isolating the united states on the global stage sure looks like it and telling its citizens what to think again sure looks like.
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we've barely ten days and counting till the deadline theresa may hits another hurdle as the common speaker rules out a third vote on the prime minister's faltering a you exit plan unless she makes big changes. the police arrest the chief suspect wanted over the shooting on a tram in which three people died in your tracks terrorism is not being ruled out also ahead. widespread looting and violence forces the hand of the french government which could now be protests in the areas worst hit by violence if that's a radical element to the demonstrations. new.


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