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i was look don't usually read the washington post but someone sent me an article so i felt obliged to read it titled as confronts a crisis russia's footprint in venezuela grows and then there's a very bizarre paragraph and this is how i want to start this segment here in an era of generally warming ties between the trumpet ministration of moscow russia is deepening its involvement in venezuela so and so and so and so you know i didn't know relations were on the up and up and really what i want to talk about is that is anything going to change in the post. or world after this report that was released on what i've called all along as a hoax here is there any future a positive future for russia's relations with the united states and with the western world of course including the european union as we move forward go ahead any. well i think post miller there is a chance and certainly what gave many intellect over two years ago was the fact that he wanted to recalibrate relations with russia and also try and work with them
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to sort out the mess in the middle east so whatever people in america might think of their american president to the rest of the world the chance of peace breaking out looked at its highest for a long time then of course we had this deep state hoax as you call it and i would entirely agree trying to show that there was russian collusion even before president trump was actually enormously races and this was multiplied time and time and time again by the american legacy press all based on unsourced intelligence on quotes from unknown people and it was metastasized into the known new facts about russian collusion so i took a lot of hope from the fact that moonless report apparently shows there was no russian collusion what gives me a slight distress though at this point is that it appears over the last two years because of the pressure of this investigation president trump has to a certain extent corralled into any possible maneuvers he might have with russia in the future so i think that's
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a very delicate path for him to tread if he wants to try and free himself from the democratic party and the reports that came from that were funded by them by the former my six intelligence officer christopher steele have now been debunked suddenly the democratic party is now trying to focus on trump's finances they will not give up so he's still going to be under pressure and there's still going to be reasons why the deep state will keep him in their claws yes but you know glenn we've seen we've seen a wave of saying sions as a result of this so the predicate of the sanctions was the hoax but the hopes the hoax and so the engines will stay i mean you don't do those things very easily and it seems to me of course the united states has said that it will still it still has not considered the same. that will ply as a result of the script case so sanctions we main on course here and i don't see really any political will within the deep state as we're calling it now for better
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relations with russia i mean look at trump's reaction to a sovereign country named venezuela asking for help from another sovereign country russia this is made pompei o and it's made john bolton livid. and i think in the ideal world you would see the united states say listen we made a mistake let's walk it back and fix relations about obviously i don't think that's going to happen. the democrats himself a bit put in a quite a difficult situation although because they have been pushing this conspiracy theory now for two years and after peddling the same conspiracy theory two years. well he really difficult position when you say. it is it is embarrassing but what can they do at this point are they going to reset to go back to two thousand and sixteen say listen we misread the situation let's start all over again i don't think it's possible i think to many of the political elites invested too much of
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their careers into into this conspiracy theory so simply saying it was a mistake i don't think it's possible anymore and furthermore i don't. have elections coming up you know and what can really do because this conspiracy theory kind of sucked out all the oxygen in the room i mean everything they've been talking about for two years has been this conspiracy theory and everything they're talking about is the trump card and everything is about trump so i don't really know. i don't see that there's a political will hear any let me go back to you you said something earlier you're answer there was no collusion this is what the report says however if you look at bars for page so naacp says there it is all sides everybody i mean even if you watch fox news they will repeat that as well. even though they're carrying water. for a media hearing wanted for drop all the time so what i'm saying is it's now it's part of the genetic code of the political discourse that russia is
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a threat to the united states of threat to quote unquote democracy i suppose not bernie sanders would have a different opinion but anyway so i'm what i'm saying is it's part it's in the mix now ok. yes it has in fact been established as fact because it's been reported enough i mean it's the old truism isn't it if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth that is what has happened here and we have a situation where according to facebook there was some sort of fake accounts that were developed by russia which had minimal impact on the american election what we do know for fact is that a british company cambridge analysts occur was data scraping off facebook and sending targeted adverts to people across america they had far more impact i think on the american elections so you know you could just as well say that the u.k. had the american elections and this is a time of an argument we've heard emanuel macron of france saying his emails were hacked it must be the russians turned out not to be we've had anger merkel in the
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run up to the elections last year saying oh are elections going to be hacked by the russians she set the be indeed the equivalent of the cia to investigate this and they came back saying there is no evidence thing so she just told them to go out and find some evidence and you know we've had allegations about breaks it we're having current allegations at the moment in brussels about the e.u. concerned about russian hacking in the upcoming elections next month so this goes on and on and on based on the full there's it evolved out of the american presidential election in twenty sixteen and this manipulation this fake news are very. very useful for the per se because it gives them another excuse to try and crack down and censor the internet and that's what we're seeing across europe particularly at the moment but you know any brings up a really good point this is the. used to limit speech basically limiting the speech of people that are on the political right in the case in europe what's so called
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populist movements this is this is a very powerful straight and effective strategy because this gives the it rationalizes limiting freedom of speech and going after these social networks yes i think all of this going to be very harmful for democracy and again this is very problematic cause what's brilliant with democracy is this it's a very dynamic form of political governance to you know it's a good way of ducting to change the nation so often we find that the problem of our an enemy of the marks it tends to be a lot of this. and i would call them have political dogma switch a country lane challenge and i think of one of them a symbol of in the sea of rush hour it remains our adversaries so to point out if if there is no evidence. we have to go out and look for it and i think. for this reason nothing real is going to change especially with this small report because what i've seen since it came out sort of things like are perhaps smaller is in on
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it you know the conspiracy could include him it's really this big or or we need the full report or even that there doesn't prove that trump is guilty but on the other hand it doesn't prove his innocence either so if he is guilty until proven innocent so this it's a very strange well this is what trump here we go back to any here i suppose. the nato leadership is not happy with miller's report and but on top of that they probably have to be happy that donald trump is head is already spoken with the brazilian president maybe brazil will become part of nato colombia has already expressed their i mean you know if russia isn't enough or maybe there is not enough collusion the russians are not as meddling as they thought well if they can't keep expanding the. you can turn south we can looks out for you to continue reason to exist because if it doesn't expand it collapses go ahead amie. absolutely and we've
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seen nato trying to justify its existence over the last couple of years ever since trump was president elect it's interesting as well over the last few months that the emphasis has shifted slightly towards china you know with your trump trade wars with china ships is very interesting i do want to pull back to one particular point though when it comes to the western response to the moon report because the key figure in this as i can see it is a former and i six intelligence officer christopher steele who runs a company called orbis business intelligence now he was the author allegedly of the dirty dossier you know all those scurrilous rumors about what trump got up to when he was organizing this universe in moscow years ago and it was a very poor reports that was easily debunked but it turns out as well that that is a connection to the script whole case in the u.k. because another former colleague is a man called pavlo miller yeah who's been protected by censorship by the dean otis in the u.k. who allegedly was also script old he was the recruiter who got him out got him to
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betray russia so you have this linkage both through business and through the official spy agencies between crystal steele and the democratic party make up these lies funding these lies about trump and then suddenly we have this very unusual case of alleged overtop poisoning in the u.k. against cripple and the key linchpin between these two stories which have been used and abused to try and alienates and stigmatize russia tends to be this one by company or based business and. still apparently is going to the heather ok we're out of time convinced that was the u.k. that hacked the american election thank you for joining us we're going to go to a short break right now and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on real news stay with.
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after the previous stage of my career was over everyone wondered what i was going to do next the ball different clubs on one hand it is logical to sort of go from fields where everything is familiar on the other i wanted a new challenge and the fresh perspective for me i'm used to surprising people and i saw one alter if. i'm going to talk about football not for you or else you can think i was going to go. by the way ways of that slide here. what politicians do. they put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president interim. or somehow want to be rich. but you'd like to be close to see like them up for free in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the
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waters and look out. for sydney. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then. from. now on there was a crack seized to do crack when i was a local. my dad he was like. so you know like what i needed when i was a baby but i had a bad child. you can expect
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a fourteen or fifteen year old first daughter now order for and if you're far there and check out. the last place in. my car and breaking down i was unable to get to work on time so they let me go and let my paycheck that i bring home. early enough to pay my current. welcome back across like we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle reminder we're discussing some real news. ok let's change gears here i want to talk a little bit about brags that here glenn you know we're not in the u.k.
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all right we're not suffering the purgatory as i mentioned in my introduction of the the break that phenomenon here but for two people you and i sitting in the studio here looking a far it seems to me that really what has happened is just a leadership failure by the political class because you i'm sure in the u.k. can blame. the remainders and then the brics akira's or the conservatives or labor you can go through all that and they are ok but are lofty perch here it seems to be a constitutional democratic crisis because it was so well from my interpretation of bricks it's kind of reflects a lot of the same problems you're having in the united states with trump or across syria which is. a growing rift between the political establishment which have committed themselves to certain. and you have the population which have been drifting further further away from this now i think the reason why. it fits within this theme is because the political elites never wanted to leave the you of course
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there was david cameron who gambled on that to get the first conservative party back in to get over this divisive element but i think. that the problem to have now is another have to actually deliver breaks it. well is short they don't want to. get any any but it's it's it's completely it least to me it's completely transparent that they don't want to be they've invented things they've. got the political political junkie like everyone else watching this program but one to one so i'm beginning to get confused and i'm beginning to get worried i mean it's obviously i mean if you look at the speaker of the house of commons i mean he's obviously a remainder i mean there's there is no he doesn't show any kind of dispassionate i mean he's the most passionate guy in the room most of the time which i've never seen before it's obvious the political class doesn't want to leave and this is why
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i can i will not stop talking about the democrat democratic deficit because we have the european parliamentary elections coming up and again that issue of the deficit in democracy is going to be addressed and i think people are going to go this may be the one time they ever go out and vote because people are getting more and more angry that the the elites are not solving problems that absolutely agree i think this is definitely a protest after years of blatant corruption that never went it was never held accountable nice nicely with the run up to the iraq war and the lies that were told to parliament and to the people also there was the m.p.'s expenses scandal ten years ago which apparently got worse since then they haven't learned their lessons so the disconnect the democratic deficit as you mention has become a game. chasm in the u.k. at the moment and the political elites will just not understand it so david cameron tried to tweak the system he was rebuffed in brussels and went back with no result
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when he tried to reject the relationship in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen and suddenly of course he had to call a referendum not really because he had any faith in democracy or the people or anything like that but to try and merge the two antagonistic sides of the conservative party in the u.k. that had been at loggerheads since the one nine hundred eighty s. that's all he was trying to do it had nothing to do with democracy it had nothing to do with europe it was just trying to provide cohesion to his political party the irony being of course that they got a result they completely did not expect it was a protest vote it was the biggest democratic vote in the entirety of u.k. history and now it is being ignored so it is sundering not only the conservative party in parliament it is broken the people's trust from whichever side remain or breakfast here in the parliamentary process i mean the whole thing has been stage the whole thing's been manipulated through the courts there is a lot of anger and i think it's only going to get worse i mean people keep talking about all the demonstrations on u.k.
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streets from one side or the other and there's damn little coverage of the. demonstrations in france in english speaking media that's actually far more important and yet we still have a manual macro on the french president lecturing britain about the state of its democracy you know what we have these european parliamentary elections coming up i mean what muslims are going to are learned or not learned in watching this brigs that process because you know the way the ring was medias is pretreated this is that you know it's it's to wrestle me. most strategic and. tactical in dealing with brussels but brussels is like a mailed fist ok they're making this really really hard and this is a message to everyone else in the european union don't know. mess with brussels and when you're in it's hotel california once you check in you can never check out and you will feel i'm serious and you will be you have the pain if you challenge the
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dictates coming out of brussels. barney or the negotiator on the e.u. side he probably slip of the tongue but he can reveal this in one of his interviews with a french paper as well the. outcome of the british election of the ascension of the negotiation i have two purposes one to get a favor of agreement with the british but the second would also be to deter anyone else from trying to follow this so so obviously this has affected the negotiation to become well if they if the british leave on good terms and end up doing better on the outside i think that will be allowed good terms or no i don't think so and you would think they would all it won't it won't be and i think what makes even more problematic is quick to point out they have. the political elites in britain have more or less been to some extent on the side of the long day they don't want to leave either so what i found fascinating was there's a lot of reasonable arguments both to stay in the e.u. and to leave and this was all being debated up to the referendum now after
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a friend and the same debates began continued but the but now essentially instead of being you know we have to compete for the people's voice now at the debate is whether or not the people voted wrong and both sides are doing this so the officer sitting in a sort of article forty of a second right now we're going to revoke the electorate that would make it really feel good ok let me go and get the running out of time now that i'm serious and i say that in cheek but i think there is an element of truth to it and i think the biggest thing biggest question i've had during this entire fiasco is they may his was intended to do this all along just where everyone down with all the scaremongering as you know the cherry on top of the cake there and is it possible because a lot of people tell me she isn't that bright and she wouldn't be able to pull it off go ahead and. i think that people believed when david cameron was scaremongering in the run up to the referendum that if he lost then he would
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immediately invoke article fifty and then he just resigned and then he ran away from the whole mess and trees may really try to pick up the pieces and i'm not sure if she really had the momentum behind the the will to enforce breaks it she was a remainer so that's where a lot of this mess comes from and then she did it about invoking article fifty and it allowed the easy get their ducks in a row and put together the negotiation position and make sure all the other twenty seven countries were lined so the u.k. went into a very poor hand anyway and with by taking away the option of no deal she lost her key negotiator point so it's been a mess every which way but when it comes to referenda and let's not forget the irish against the maastricht treaty so did the darts so did the danish and they were all told to go back and have another vote because they got the result wrong that's what they're trying to do in the u.k. so the notion that if your vote makes a difference the politicians and the elite wouldn't allow it to happen i think it's been proven time and time again across the e.u. and i think we're heading towards that situation yet again in the u.k.
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you know but any i must say with you here people there is a talk of the people's vote here and with doesn't the message that you just spoke about here is that it's not really the real brussels and so obviously in the case of briggs that didn't happen you know but doesn't it really. lessen the value of elections themselves if you have to keep repeating them over and over again. absolutely and it breaks the trust between the government and the government so this is a crisis i think we're going to see building across europe not just in the u.k. but with other so-called populist movements in the world populist is used as if it's an insult yes in fact surely that's just mean of the people you know you know i'm glad i mean so that because you know it's very. vocal to define populism it's more about process it is the active visitation of people here because you can have populism all across the political spectrum here but the media is demonized it is
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being fringe or all. seditious even here and i think again we have this kind of trump effect the more you insult the people like the media. supporters of trump you know the well that i like that the more they are willing to take a chance ok go ahead yeah well that's a fact if they want to find populist often they're willing to bring up the topics which elites refuse to address you know sometimes the populace are good sometimes but sometimes they have solutions some stamps they don't but it's you have to put into context of the post cold war system of her i mean we have a few. few things we can't really challenge so in europe it would be that the e.u. is the main format for organizing european affairs but you also have the neo liberal economics you have a mass migration multiculturalism and then you have the humanitarian and interventionism this general assumption you can solve everything with military now
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. when someone challenges like the establishment can't really challenge any of these things so that essentially leaves a huge or growing scope for so-called a populous to step in because they're willing to address this i mean we through a member for example trump coming during the election he would say things like well what's the point of nato to do this over to him is gone or why do we start new wars when you go finish the old ones it was treasonous it will stay mostly how could you possibly say anything like this in the wall and we saw you. know the new the new liberal system you cannot defend your borders because of pending your borders it's bending your sovereignty and sovereignty somehow is races but it's not just on the right like here in the u.s. you have people who govern our whole comes up on the left. you know a russian agent is you know they're already label her this thing so i think that this is. why you have the populist they they have their rival have well they come back and they say what's on a lot of people's minds ok it goes back to the first part of the program you know
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when people start speaking their mind there is people in power that want to limit that speech and narrow it here as all the time we have here many thanks to my guest here in moscow and in brussels and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time and remember. in the situation in venezuela is still all over the news the problem in venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented but that socialism has been played only implement from the inside venezuela things look different we're going to announce sanctions against petroleum to venezuela associated. famously have a supplemental. down that political battle song oh yeah the people of the moment. the whose story is a new makes him hold in henry kissinger to tell him that it would not be tolerated
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that in latin america an alternative economic and social system could take hold and therefore the policy would be to make the economy of venezuela screed. they're bred for a single purpose. they have a supermoon. they start training very young. eight months of intensive schooling. rats. and they save lives. seemed wrong when all rolls just don't hold. any goals to get to shape
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out just they become educated and engagement equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart. just to look for common ground. i think more to get in is an outstanding person because he took on the most powerful agency in county or you'll be the state if you look at it from the. mark was the day that when he was. going to. take for the first time i noticed something wasn't right in fleece work pretty much when he first started the corruption in palm beach county is not something that you can. see it's. we've had more
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in this county then some states have. begun featuring. his family. you know i wish then you should stay on the left in the stuff i believe what i'm doing ok you know it's your funeral. i snuck out of the united states. into russia political. men they know. the week's top stories from march international view k. is left in limbo as the original bragg's a day passes and may fails for
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a third time to force her deeply unpopular divorce deal through parliament. the highly anticipated report found no evidence of collusion with russia in the two thousand and sixteen presidential election. and in today's news exit polls in ukraine suggest president poroshenko is heading for a runoff having come second to a t.v. comedian.
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