tv Cross Talk RT April 1, 2019 3:30pm-4:01pm EDT
and let me go to you first here i was look don't usually read the washington post but someone sent me an article so i felt obliged to read it titled as confronts a crisis russia's footprint in venezuela grows and then there's a very bizarre paragraph and this is how i want to start this segment here in an era of generally warming ties between the trumpet ministration of moscow russia is deepening its involvement in venezuela so and so and so and so you know i didn't know relations were on the up and up and really what i want to talk about is that is anything going to change in the post. or world after this report that was released on what i've called all along as a hoax here is there any future a positive future for russia's relations with the united states and with the western world of course including the european union as we move forward go ahead any. well i think post military is a chance and certainly many former intelligence officers diplomats military people around the world hope when trump was the president elect over two years ago was the
fact that he wanted to recalibrate relations with russia and also try and work with them to sort out the mess in the middle east so whatever people in america might think of their american president to the rest of the world the chance of peace breaking out looked at its highest for a long time then of course we had this deep state hoax as you call it and i would entirely agree trying to show that there was russian collusion even before president trump was actually inaugurated and this was multiplied time and time and time again by the american legacy press all based on unsourced intelligence on quotes from unknown people and it was metastasized into the known new facts about russian collusion so i took a lot of hope from the fact that moonless report apparently shows there was no russian collusion what gives me a slight distress though at this point is that it appears over the last two years because of the pressure of this investigation president trump has to a certain extent corralled into any possible maneuvers he might have with russia in
the future so i think that's a very delicate path for him to tread if he wants to try and free himself from the the hands of the deep state and of course one of the thing we need to remember is that even though the democratic party and the reports that came from that were funded by them by the former my six intelligence officer christopher steele now been debunked suddenly the democratic party is now trying to focus on trump's finances they will not give up so he's still going to be under pressure and there's still going to be reasons why the deep state will keep him in their claws yes but you know glenn we've seen we've seen a wave of saying sions as a result of this so the predicate of the saying sions was we hope with the hopes the hoax and so the engines will stay i mean you don't. undo those things very easily and it seems to me of course the united states has said that it will still it still has not considered the sanctions that will ply as
a result of the script case so sanctions we main on course here and i don't see really any political will within the deep state as we're calling it now for better relations with russia i mean look at trump's reaction to a sovereign country named venezuela asking for help from another sovereign country russia this is made pompei o and it's made john bolton livid. and i think in the ideal world you would see the united states say listen we made a mistake let's walk it back and fix relations about obviously i don't think that's going to happen. the democrats himself a bit put in a quite a difficult situation although because they have been pushing this conspiracy theory now for two years and after peddling the same conspiracy theory two years. well he really difficult position when you say. it is it is embarrassing but what what what can they do at this point are they going to reset to go back to two
thousand and sixteen say listen we misread the situation let's start all over again i don't think it's possible i think too many of the political elites invested too much of their careers into into this conspiracy theory so simply saying it was a mistake i don't think it's possible anymore and furthermore i don't. have elections coming up you know and what can really do because this conspiracy theory kind of sucked out all the oxygen in the room i mean everything they've been talking about for two years has been this conspiracy theory and everything they're talking about is the trump card and everything is about trump so i don't really know. i don't see that there's a political will hear any let me go back to you you said something earlier you know your answer there was no collusion this is what the reports. however if you look at bars for page so now observers there it is clearly stated that russia quote unquote meddled in the two thousand and sixteen election and this is what paul sides
everybody i mean even if you watch fox news they will repeat it as well even though they're carrying water to much so media hearing water for trump all the time so what i'm saying is it's now it's part of the genetic code of the political discourse that russia is a threat to the united states a threat to quote unquote democracy i suppose not bernie sanders would have a different opinion but anyway so i'm what i'm saying is it's part it's in the mix now ok. yes it has in fact been established as fact because it's been reported enough i mean it's the old truism isn't it if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth that is what has happened here and we have a situation where according to facebook there was some sort of fake accounts that were developed by russia which had minimal impact on the american election what we do know for fact is that a british company cambridge analysts occur was data scraping off facebook and sending targeted adverts to people across america they had far more impact i think
on the american elections so you know you could just as well say that the u.k. had the american elections and this is a time of an argument we've heard emanuel macron of france saying his emails were hacked it must be the russians turned out not to be we've had i'm going to merkel in the run up to the elections last year saying oh are elections going to be hacked by the russians she set the b n d the equivalent of the cia to investigate this and they came back saying there is no evidence thing so she just told them to go out and find some evidence and you know we've had allegations about brecht's it we're having current allegations at the moment in brussels about the e.u. concerned about russian hacking in the upcoming elections next month so this goes on and on and on based on the full there's it's volved ask the american presidential election in twenty sixteen and this manipulation. this thank usery is very useful for the patsy because it gives them another excuse to try and crack down a censor the internet and that's what we're seeing across europe particularly at
the moment that you know any brings up a really good point this is the cultural that they use to limit speech basically limiting the speech of people that are on the political right in the case in europe so-called populist movements this is this is a very powerful straight and effective strategy because this gives the it rationalizes limiting freedom of speech and going after these social networks yes i think all of this going to be very harmful for democracy and again this is very problematic cause what's brilliant with democracy is this it's a very dynamic form of political governance to you know a good way of ducting to change the nation so often we find that the problem of our enemy of democracy tends to be a lot of this ideologies. we call them have political dogma which a country lane challenge and i think one of them is simply been see russia remains our adversaries so to point out if if there is no evidence. we have to go out and
look for it and i think. for this reason nothing really is going to change especially with the smaller report because what i've seen since it came out swaths sort of things like oh perhaps smaller thing on it you know the conspiracy could include him it's really big or before we need the full report or even. it doesn't prove that trump is guilty but on the other hand it doesn't prove his innocence either so. he is guilty until proven innocent so this it's a very strange well this is what trump here we go back to any here i suppose. the nato leadership is not happy with miller's report and but on top of that they probably have to be happy that donald trump is already spoken with the brazilian president may. the brazil will become part of may go colombia has already expressed their i mean you know if russia is a did no one maybe there is not enough collusion the russians are not as meddling
as well. you can turn south we can look south to continue reason to exist because it doesn't expand it collapses go ahead any. absolutely and we've seen nato trying to justify its existence over the last couple of years ever since trump was president elect it's interesting as well over the last few months that the emphasis has shifted slightly towards china you know with the amp trade wars with china and suddenly china is the big hacker country not russia so what we saw geopolitical ships is very interesting i do want to pull back to one particular point though when it comes to the western response to the moon report because the key figure in this as i can see it is a former and i six intelligence officer christopher steele who runs a company called orbis business intelligence now he was the author allegedly of the dirty dossier you know all those scurrilous rumors about what trump got up to when he was organizing this universe in moscow years ago and it was
a very poor reports that was easily debunked but it turns out as well that that is a connection to the script whole case in the u.k. because nother former colleague is a man called pavlo miller who's been protected by censorship by the dean otis in the u.k. who allegedly was also script old he was the recruiter who got him out got him to betray russia so you have this linkage both through business and through the official spy agencies between crystal steele and the democratic party make up these lies funding these lies about trump and then suddenly we have this very unusual case of alleged overtop poisoning in the u.k. against cripple and the key linchpin between these two stories which have been used and abused to try and alienates and stigmatize russia tends to be this. comforting . ok still of her nice going to the has ok with her run out of time and i'm convinced that was the u.k. that hacked the american election thank you for joining us we're going to go to
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welcome back across like we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle reminder we're discussing some real loose. ok let's change gears here i want to talk a little bit about brags that here glenn you know we're not in the u.k. all right we're not suffering the purgatory as i mentioned in my introduction of the the brakes that phenomenon here but for two people you and i sitting in the studio here looking a far it seems to me that really what has happened is just a leadership failure by the political class because you i've sure in the u.k. can blame. the remainders and then the brics the conservatives or labor you can go through all that and they are ok but our lofty perch here it seems. to be
a constitutional democratic crisis because there was a vote it's very clear but the political class has failed to deliver. so well from my interpretation of brics it's kind of reflects a lot of the same problems you're having in the united states with trumper across syria which is. a growing rift between the political establishment which have committed themselves to certain political dog most and you have the population which have been drifting further further away from this now i think the reason why brics it fits within this theme is because the political elites never wanted to leave the euro of course there was david cameron who gambled on that but again the first rule of gambling is you know shouldn't gamble if you can't afford to lose but you know he just wanted to bring the conservative party back in to get over this divisive element but i think. that the problem to have now is another have to actually deliver breaks it. well is short they don't want to and i guess.
there's a bit of look at me at any any but i it's it's it's completely it least to me it's completely transparent that they don't want to say they've invented things they've . gone back procedural law and precedent and that they keep doing all of these things or i mean i'm a political political junkie like everyone else watching this program but once at once i'm beginning to get confused and i'm beginning to get worried i mean it's obviously i mean if you look at the speaker of the house of commons i mean he's obviously a remainder i mean there's there is no he doesn't show any kind of dispassionate i mean he's the most passionate guy in the room most of the time which i've never seen before it's obvious the political class doesn't want to leave and this is why i can i will not stop talking about the democrat democratic deficit because we have the european parliamentary elections coming up and again that issue of the deficit in democracy is going to be addressed and i think people are going to go this may
be the one time they ever go out and vote because people are getting more and more angry that the the elites are not solving problems that people think need to be solved any go ahead. i absolutely agree i think this is definitely a protest vote after years of blatant corruption that never went it was never held accountable most notably with the run up to the iraq war in the lies that were told to parliament and to the people also there was the m.p.'s expenses scandal ten years ago which apparently got worse since then they haven't learned their lessons so the disconnect the democratic deficit as you mention has become a gaping chasm in the u.k. at the moment and the political elite will just not understand it so david cameron tried to tweak the system he was rebuffed in brussels and went back with no result when he tried to reject the relationship in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen and suddenly of course he had to call a referendum not really because he had any faith in democracy or the people or
anything like that but to try and merge the two antagonistic sides of the conservative party in the u.k. that had been at loggerheads since the one nine hundred eighty s. that's all he was trying to do it had nothing to do with democracy it had nothing to do with europe it was just trying to provide cohesion to his political party the irony being of course that they got a result they completely did not expect it was a protest vote it was the biggest democratic vote in the entirety of u.k. history and now it is being ignored so it is sundering not only the conservative party in parliament it is broken the people's trust from whichever side remain or breakfast here in the parliamentary process i mean the whole thing has been staged the whole thing's been manipulated through the courts there is a lot of anger and i think it's only going to get worse i mean people keep talking about all the demonstrations on the u.k. streets from one side or the other and there's damn little coverage of the. demonstrations in france in english speaking media that's actually far more important and yet we still have
a manual macron the french president lecturing britain about the state of its democracy you know what we have these european parliamentary elections coming up and we want most and we're going to our longer not. i learned in watching this break that process because you know the way the anglo-saxon media's is portrayed this is that you know it's it's to resume has been very. strategic and. tactful in dealing with brussels but brussels is like a mailed fist ok they are making this really really hard and this is a message to everyone else in the european union don't mess with brussels and when you're in it's hotel california once you check in you can never check out and you will feel i'm serious and you will do you have the pain if you challenge the dictates coming out of brussels. barnier the negotiator on the e.u. side he probably slip of the tongue but he can reveal this in one of his interviews
with a french paper as well the. outcome of the british election of essentially the negotiation that have two purposes one to get a favor of agreement with the british but the second would also be to deter anyone else from trying to follow this so so obviously this has affected the negotiations to become well if they if the british leave on the good terms and end up doing better on the outside i think that'll be allowed good terms of a no no i don't think so i don't think so at all it won't it won't be and i think what makes it more problematic to point out they have. the political elites in britain have more or less been to some extent on the side of brussels so long they don't want to leave either so what i found fascinating was there's a lot of reasonable arguments both to stay in the e.u. and to leave and this was all being debated up to the referendum now after a friend and the same debates began continued but but now essentially instead of being you know we have to compete for the people's voice now at the debate is
whether or not the people voted wrong. but both sides are doing this officer sitting in a sort of article forty of a second right now we're going to revoke the electorate that would make it really feel needed. ok let me go to. now i'm serious i'd say that i'm intrigued with i think there is an element of truth to it i mean i think the biggest biggest question i've had during this entire fiasco is there really is was intended to do this all along just where everyone down with all the scaremongering as you know the cherry on top of the cake there i'm is it possible because a lot of people tell me she isn't that bright and she would be able to go ahead. i think that people believed when david cameron was scaremongering in the run up to the referendum that if he lost then he would immediately invoke article fifty and then he just resigned and then he ran away from the whole mess and trees may really try to pick up the pieces and i'm not sure if she really had the momentum behind
the the will to enforce breaks it she was a remainer so that's where a lot of this mess comes from and then she did it about invoking article fifty and it allowed the easy get their ducks in a row and put together the negotiation position and make sure all the other twenty seven countries were aligned so the u.k. went into a very poor hand anyway and with by taking away the option of no deal she lost her key negotiator point so it's been a mess every which way but when it comes to referenda and let's not forget the irish voted against the maastricht treaty so that the darts so to the danish and they were all told to go back and have another vote because they got the result wrong that's what they're trying to do in the u.k. so the notion that if your vote makes a difference the politicians and the elite wouldn't allow it to happen i think it's been proven time and time again across the e.u. and i think we're heading towards that situation yet again in the u.k. you know but any i must say with you here people there is a talk of the people's vote here and with doesn't that to send the message that you
just spoke about here is that it's not really the result it's you have to have a process the gets the correct result according to brussels and so obviously in the case of breaks that didn't happen. but doesn't it really. lessen the value of elections themselves if you have to keep repeating them over and over again. absolutely and it breaks the trust between the government and the government so this is a crisis i think we're going to see building across europe not just in the u.k. but with other so-called populist movements and what populist is used is if it's an insult yes in fact surely that's just mean of the people you know glenn you know i'm glad i mean says that because you know it's very difficult to define populism it's more a book process it is the act of visitation of people here because you can have populism of all across the political spectrum here but the media has demonized it is being fringe or all it's. seditious even here and i think again we
have this kind of trump effect the more you insult the people like the media did try the supporters of trump you know the well the smell the wal-mart people or hillary clinton's deplorable the more you speak to people like that the more they are willing to take a chance ok go ahead you know all about subjectively what defines populist often they're willing to bring up the topics which elites refused to address you know sometimes the populace are good sometimes but sometimes have solutions some stamps they don't but it's you have to put into context of the post cold war system we heard the i mean we have a few. few things we can't really challenge so in europe it would be that the e.u. is the main format for organizing european affairs but you also have the a neo liberal economics you have a mass migration multiculturalism and then you have the humanitarian and interventionism the general assumption you can solve everything with military now.
when someone challenges like the establishment can't really challenge any of these things so that essentially leaves a huge or growing scope for so-called a populous to step in because they're willing to address this i mean. with remember for example coming during the election he would say things like well what's the point of nato today the soviet union is gone or why do we start new wars when you don't finish the old ones it was treason to say we'll stay mostly how could you possibly say anything like this in the wall and then we saw you. under the new to the neo liberal system you cannot defend your borders because of pending your borders it's offending your sovereignty and sovereignty somehow is races but it's not just on the right like in the u.s. you have people. now who comes up on the left saying listen maybe the oldest wars isn't a great idea and now she's now apologists for. you know russian agents you know they're already label her this thing so i think that this is why you have the populist they they arrive at a well they come back and they say what's on
a lot of people's minds ok it goes back to the first part of the program here when people start speaking their mind there is people in power that want to limit that speech and narrow it here as all the time we have here many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in brussels and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember. you know world big partisan. and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smart we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the troops the time is now we're watching closely watching the hawks.
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