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and they made a lot of money from being able to sell this this short video clip the fact that r.t. got that scoop if you like got those images is itself deeply symbolic because i hard to say that not only was it profitable for r.t. but it was such an immense propaganda coup for russia or counter propaganda coup to see someone who is a journalist who has published true information not fake news it was published information about war crimes about political shit gannon indians being a bundled into a police car and effectively bundled on the way to the united states of america exercising extra torah terril extraterritorial jurisdiction in another country is so deeply shocking i think to anyone who has any sense of. media freedom that it only makes it even the more disgusting when we see newspapers like the guardian or their daily mail yet dunst. sanjay's legal grave and saying what
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a horrible person is because the issue here obviously is not whether he is a horrible person or whether you agree with him it is a matter of media freedom and in previous. programs peter we've discussed the legislative framework that's being put in in europe right to wristlock maybe to a strict media freedom here we see what i talked about a week or two ago the use of the criminal law exists of information and this is what we call dictatorship you know exhibit and you innocent is an australian citizen his own government didn't lift a finger no surprise there we can weeks is an operation that is not based in the united states. the department of justice it now is making a claim and then it has its reach is global if if the department of justice determines that you have committed some kind of crime. for example against united
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states you can be prosecuted anywhere in the world. to underline that on the contrary. manning on the snowden. never work for. us services. is not a twitter of anything and listening to. that he's a member of a known state intelligence agency it's completely crazy and. of course i couldn't agree more that using it is. not only for. fighting on the economic called point of view but even of fodder for the. fighting against of freedom of speech it's. it's incredible but you know i'm quite disappointed again by by britain trump because i used to says. leaks because he told her against the clinton. gang you know you know it was really quite an amazing
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one year and i weiqi weeks to i know nothing about we was a very coward disappointed variables are going to go back to john in france the interesting thing is here too is that i see that the united states because it no longer is able to control the global narrative it is lashing out at the institutions that can challenge that narrative and that is weak i want to reiterate over and over again now one thing that we ever released was everything was our fantic unlike the major news outlets that dominate the western world they have become prefers of power and join us are people like julius arch have said no there is something to see behind the curtain they want to put the curtain back in place john. well can you imagine what the reaction would be in the west. if
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alex a novelle me were bundled from his hiding place into a russian police car and prosecuted and sent to prison for his so-called blogging against corruption as we know we've had this narrative now for years that novelli is a lone voice on the internet denouncing putin's corruption the image that is presented of alec's intervale me in the west is precisely what julian assange has in fact been doing in the west in a much more important way because he's been as you say peter publishing information which is true he's been publishing documents he's been publishing secret documents but he hasn't been publishing some narrative he's just been literally publishing documents and we've been treated now as i say for decades into this topic and are about bloggers standing up to power this fairy tale about people like never knew but there are people you know in similar fairytale positions all over the world
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presented as great freedom fighters by the united states and its western allies you know when we say that you're here just for a second and i think it's very interesting to people don't know about it because if they're not told but then bradley manning did approach major western news outlets about the information that he had at that time and they all said no then he went to because the major news outlets no longer perform a journalistic purpose their purpose is to maintain in further official narratives john well we knew that we saw that when the guardian which of course originally published some of the wiki leaks documents then agreed to sit down with the secret intelligence services of britain otherwise known as m i six and to destroy together in front of the officials of m i six their hard drives containing this information that act confirmed that the guardian is an m i six and. it's an m i six
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outlets a number of its journalists work for m i six and produced narratives concocted by a british government one of them writes a lot about russia i'm sure you know who i mean yeah. that is the that is the truth about these newspapers and that is the read all other media outlets and that is the reason why as you say then bradley manning did not have any success with that so you know we are in a situation of the most breathtaking hypocrisy you know exactly you know i guess what's most disappointing for me being a journalist myself is that so few journalists actually stand up with a profession and for so you know. if you have a long enough memory and if you want to remember we can weeks was considered a profoundly professional excellent publisher now now he's not even a journalist he is just as you pompei or as words you know it is an extension of
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someone else's foreign intelligence it's amazing how people have flipped i guess it's because of their material interest now because they have any integrity in the worse in my opinion you will see london and washington continue to lead to the rest of the world to the rest of the world it won't turn to anything. unfortunately i remember when the killings published very interesting information on the on the u.s. . foreign department. especially the influence on the under french policy. point of view you know the the to encourage the policy to encourage the immigration policy and it doesn't it didn't was it did it didn't. have any any use actually nobody use it because in french. in england or in in the united states or the is a. information from rica because they are known by means and on by people like me
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who want to know where to ellie happens but it's useful actually said the big problem in my opinion and and again scandal has treatment of of mr assad to want to help. you know it. before your the break here i mean we keep leaks came into being it filled the nice that was absolutely necessary is to hold power to a clout and that is why his greatest crime is holding power to account because that's exactly what journalists were supposed to do that's what the fourth estate was supposed to do they don't do it anymore it was left to him to do it and now the state wants to destroy that go ahead john well i mean we all remember don't we those horrendous images of iraqi civilians being shot dead from a helicopter which were part of that wiki leaks revelations in the early years i
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mean genuinely shocking evidence of war crimes but i want to make a point that or a developer point made just now about extraterritoriality because as we know from this case and from other cases in commercial law for example when the american justice department imposed a multi-billion dollar fine on a french bank and as we know from the way that the american government uses international criminal justice to further its foreign policy ends but of course never allows international tribunals like the international criminal court in fact indeed forbids them to have any say over america we can see that this extraterritoriality is a one way street is it is the american empire without i'm not trying to be polemical it literally is about the use of american law in this case through by means of an extradition treaty but with an ally which will inevitably.
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unfortunately complied with it it's the use of american law to further american policy including american security policy in clear violation ok john i've got to jump in here and thank you for joining us here now we're going to go to a short break now and after that short break we'll continue our discussion with our . joined me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see you then.
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the business model of facebook is to pressure people to continue communicating through facebook and giving facebook personal information this is what makes facebook a surveillance monster show facebook does not have users facebook has used people that facebook users. i do think the numbers mean something they've matter the u.s. has over one trillion dollars in debt more than ten white collar crime families he did. eighty five percent of global wealth he longs to be ultra rich eight point six percent in world markets rose thirty percent somewhat four hundred to five hundred three first second first second and fifth when he rose to twenty thousand dollars. china's building two point one billion dollars ai industrial park but don't let the
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numbers over. the only number you need to remember one one business showed you know board the myth one and only boom books. before you came here where did you work before you came here when you live. in many us states capital punishment is still practiced convicted prisoners can spend he is waiting for execution but most of the time the victims' families they are very much in favor the death penalty there are some people because of what they did have given up their rights as live among us somebody even proven innocent enough to years on death row and how many more exonerations is it kind of take before we as a society realize that this is not working and we actually do something about.
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what politicians do. put themselves on the line and they get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. or some want to. have to go right to be close to survival before three in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the water hose in the house. first sip. welcome back across the uk where all things are considered peter lavelle reminder we're discussing julian assange. right now we're joined by alexander macarius in london he is
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a writer on legal affairs as well as the editor in chief of the turan dot com welcome to the program alex how how is the press reacting to the story about julian asyut as a rest. particularly how roughly r t's a news agency picked that up first kudos for us and what is the general reaction to all of this i know break hovers over everything but this is a very important story go ahead in london if it's actually pushed the breaks the news to one side it's been heavily covered there's been a lot of all and some jealousy corruptly getting the pictures the british media are all frankly big jealous that. he got their first well done and now as to the media coverage it's been heavily covered very very great criticism some of it actually i think well the vicious criticism
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all judy in a sound and a lot of carbery each other ted's which are coming through drifts to get the swedes to room for the rape allegations you've got to. go to be ugly there's even seventy m.p.'s that written a letter about this basically to say they know that if they were in if those rape allegations are reply which they haven't been of course they should. be given cry all routine and it was the reason that that is you can do the next part of your question some barrister meant a lot of embarrassment about the way this whole thing is laid out i think a negative reaction from many many people so by reviving the rape allegations people are able to say well you know we're not very keen on this extradition to the us but we still stick with julian assange is not a good person who has a lot to answer for so we can still criticise him so i see it personally as an
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attempt to basically damage julian assange and his reputation and i have no doubt that it will be to the united states that he will be extradited if he's extradited to all and not to sweden which you see no enthusiasm for repining the rape allegations which would draw out part because he was you know in the in the ecuadorian embassy but also after a jury in a sound provided a very detailed statement in which he responded to the allegations which very few people seem to be aware of noise it's amazing to british wanky the swedes to open up on one of their investigations to. trials because it's only a question of putting him in jail of or exhibited him but it's a vote destroying is whole and he made. his decision politics through smear i mean
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all of these people that are criticizing him on both sides of the atlantic they refuse to comment on what he actually did reveal war crimes in corruption they don't want to talk about what he did they want to talk about his character i don't give a i don't care one way or another about his character and this is a perfect media ploy to destroy someone. and to ignore what fact is actually happening if you look at the french media it's more neutral i can see because it's not so important because for for hers but. really it's wrong because the french media the french journalist should have defended assad from the beginning but they don't do it because in don't remember that we was ashamed because we stopped the plane the president plane because we were sinking that is going to take your to
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take assad with him saw again there is as you say in some countries supposed to follow this. not only for britain but as well for france not doing anything to try to protect which is to push to be the ground of. their values but they don't live up to their own values at the same time here alex it's you're a lawyer it seems to me that video jay is there just rather jazzing how to create a legal strategy again it is this is a hostile prosecution it is not based on facts that we know i mean talk about transparency that is that synonymous with the we keep leaks transparency i don't see the same kind of transparency from the prosecution go ahead what they did exactly and one of the things that absolutely astonished me is that you see so many journalists around the world cheering this prosecution on because at their
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hostility to a sandwich and yet of course what they see is at least as i read it is in an attempt to get round the protections to journalists provided by the law and one more just thought the journalists putting aside whatever feelings they may have about a sandwich would see that as a direct attack then the committee to protect journalists has made that very point . by the way so have various people like glenn greenwald and every journalist should be concerned about this prosecution it is a very serious case it's been brought out of time it alleges a conspiracy where the facts are incoherent animorphs those alan dershowitz is words not mine by the way and on top of everything else in order to prove that conspiracy. they have to do it see rely heavily on the
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testimony of. who is not actually providing testimony and he's being kept in indefinite detention until she does which i would have thought is also a very troubling thing and savage is absolutely right when he talks about the collapse of western values since when in the west how we've been keeping people anyone else i mean we are slowly slipping it seems to me into moscow trials territory smears against the houston and pressure on our people to get them to testify very bad very bad in every way so it certainly sets a precedent here in a very bad example go to the only reason which was given us a new situation for prosecuting mr assad is that is supposed to have help many
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to find a post who has words of you or your side so it's something want to any one be any kind of evidence would be given for that as well as we in the united states that will give him in a jail for maybe twenty twenty five years or it's this is the standard if this is the standard then indictments should be made against the washington post the guardian c.n.n. all the rest of them ok because that's one part. i'm sure is what they want more because of what julian assange was doing was not illegal it was illegal for them bradley manning he was. in uniform in the service yard and later chelsea paid a very high price for that ok and it was all under the obama administration i mean ministration that was had a war against whistleblowers put chelsea manning into confinement even under conditions of torture and then they all pat themselves on the back by giving
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clemency ok and now this. witch hunt against. whistleblowers continues and that's going to go back to that's the whole point isn't it really though it is a chilling effect there to make sure that no one ever does it no one challenges the empire and gets nearer to the next well. we can't exactly to the point that you may grant the beginning peter which is exactly that this is exactly what the purposes. to people don't want to discuss things the julian assange and wiki leaks have exposed crimes in iraq the reading of the democratic primary process all of those things are no longer being talked about what we've been talked about and all these other things which are basically an attempt to discredit his discredit weaker leaks and make official narrative pull them beyond challenge you
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know alexander and so because what i thought is really interesting when i watched all of the american cable with the exception of tucker carlson on fox news all of them almost without exception are trying to reignite the rush it get it to coax ok connection between a silence of the russians there is no one scintilla of evidence that that ever happened let me go to exactly i mean they're trying to again change the subject not what he. that would be leaks release but what kind of bad company doing this i'm supposing we have i think the aim is to conceal a zoo with a nice wish and want to rule the world because you know. before the meeting with we between the good and kennedy in sixty one. french intelligence service the general that the cia is listening to him and so he said good for them. but the problem though is the us administration has many so many things so many murders so
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many mass murders so many bad did to conceal that they have no choice but finding any kind of had you know a new appreciation against russia against the russia today against of course we killings and as you know it will go on the courts are going to continue again to littering all the country in the world what to do to protect human rights try to protect their freedom a speech but for them because our shows and by i don't know who. is this is basically pentagon papers two point zero and and the supreme court ruled in favor of the maine washington post and specifically it is not trafficking and in stolen government material it was it was in the public interest that the people learn this is no different but the difference is the difference is back
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in one nine hundred seventy one your journalists uniformly stood beside her ok and in this case they were uniformly against the last ten seconds that is this is crazy because fathers in the least in the world the example to follow is the watergate because it was a question of sending a nixon out of the. function of president but no this example is no more for anybody. you know what this is much much bigger because its impact is immense and it is setting a precedent that is in danger all the next didn't have would have made it scenting an idea that's it that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks my guests here in moscow london and in france and thanks to our viewers for watching us here arche see you next time remember.
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after the previous stage of my career was over everyone wondered what i was going to do next the ball different clubs on one hand it is logical to sort of go from fields where everything is familiar on the other i wanted a new challenge and the fresh perspective i'm used to surprising people and i saw one on t.v. . i'm going to talk about football not for you or else you can think i was going to go. by the way ways of the. next guys are financial survival and they say money to develop. close to these if this is the central plank so for dying a commons kind of problem right now they stopped.
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i think the number means they've matter us is over one trillion dollars in debt more than ten white collar crime in this. eighty five percent of global wealth he longs to be rich eight point six percent of the world market goes thirty percent some with four hundred to five hundred three per second per second. and we rose to twenty thousand dollars. china's building two point one billion dollars ai industrial park but don't let the numbers overrule. the only number you need remember it was one business show you know bored to miss this one and only boom box . bests drugs were at her cocaine as were four bucks for dia under fifty it's
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a good job everybody use cocaine crack cocaine you just smoke it this is worth like fifteen thirty. twenty. k. to this is about a fifteen dollar bet and people smoke this one bigger second sweetie you go for these drugs in any city in the united states that you walk along as you or want to get about the. make money. and that's what i do every day. seemed wrong why don't we all just don't all. get to shape out just they become educated and engagement equals betrayal.
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when so many find themselves worlds apart. just to look for common ground. you know. he's about you don't. think. he's going to be. in prison waiting for his fate to be decided we. turn to god.
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telling him first as a journalist and as a. human rights organizations cry foul often a palestinian activist is denied entry to the u.s. we spoke. about his experience. ministration has been mobilized to do israel's bidding trying to silence. or natural human rights defenders. and you are full of claims and invasion all venezuela is being discussed behind closed.


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