tv Cross Talk RT April 20, 2019 12:00am-12:30am EDT
we give. russia calls on the u.s. to disavow its allegations of election meddling in the wake of the. one hundred twenty one. democrats keep up the pressure on the president after the report this balls to the media speculation . no collusion no obstruction. of justice certainly obstructed justice. by the present to mislead the country. back to government in libya accuses france of supporting the rebel forces. killed. by. breaking opportunity as. a huge billboard
are stocking russia gate i'm joined by my guest here in moscow dmitry babich he is a political analyst with sputnik international in london we crossed alexander mackerras he is a writer on legal affairs as well as the editor in chief of the duran dot com and in new york we have don de bar he's an anti-war activists and host of the daily radio program all right gentlemen cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate alexander be curious let me go to you in london happy no collusion day i think will make it official holiday all right. but you know you wrote to me earlier this was the biggest fishing expedition that caught no fish at all except for and we'll talk about it with dmitri bob h. it's still russia's fault that's what the report says i was going to be curious you have a great legal mind can you just sum it up if possible i know you read the report
last night go ahead yes i read the report i phone it relentlessly hostile to donald trump in a way that i actually i found slightly shocking you have the first part of the report in which are and he's team look of follow up every suggestion of contacts between the russians and the donald trump campaign and you get almost a sense of disappointment when they repeatedly come up with nothing and then the second part of the report is an extraordinary academic exercise should say a flawed academic exercise in my opinion in which outbursts of anger on the part of an innocent man to say don't drum construed as some sort of attempted to obstruction even though there is actually no attempts to impede miller and his team in doing anything and none of the threats that don't want. talks about the on the
sacking will ever actually amount to anything so i mean i found it actually a rather disturbing document that the important point to get to get to understand is that even this extremely aggressive very host own team of investigators clearly to find something against the own drum and to create some kind of collusion narrative are in the end unable to do so and they can't even convincingly construct an obstruction narrative. but it's also clear in the report that russia is culpable to one degree or another they're pretty murky in talking about connections to we keeley and then there are the parts that have to do with g r u that's what they call the russian agencies redacted so it pretty much a mystery right there but it's very leading isn't it go ahead well not only the
part about you is redacted there is a whole page devoted to you have given you pretty gorge and that scene is to cuckoo from the kremlin. back to the american election and you only have the name. in there and the rest of the page is just black and so it was hilarious story that but i think it one more few areas you know for the financial times has the least all of the cases of russian involvement in the election and i'm just going to call it that because i can't quote of course the whole report but it's pretty much it's pretty precise so these russian efforts consisted in invitations for campaign officials hundred percent of the us or the russian government to meet invitations for kenya to trump and putin to meet in person and this is the most awful think board issue positioned seat in improved u.s. are russian relations all full. you know all fool and the biggest crime mentioned
in this report is that curial dimitrios you know the head of the russian agency for their wrecked investment he has gone and all of this from president putin to seek reconciliation with the united states so this is just awful and the report says you know the whole business listen to some of mr conversations and he called putin the boss you know a russian state official called the boss he's a criminal all that is really you know the united states doesn't have to worry about getting involved in the wars in libya in iraq. and this is not important ok is important is that he called putting the boy and he wanted to improve russia u.s. relations ok if not i got you don this is taxpayers' dollars at work here i mean this is trivial i mean it's worse than trivial because it really showed the find out to what degree the government tried to. did invent all of this against donald
trump i mean with that team that miller had and it's expense account and they gave us this drivel go ahead on. it's worth a lot worse if you ponder what what the miter just said. and then read further into the say just into the executive or scene of the thing where they do interpretation. one of one of the it's like self throws it so that the kremlin had motive to do this thing because they felt that trump would have a more favorable foreign policy towards russia then clinton would well you know clinton's foreign policy could be deduced from the foreign policy that was in place while she was secretary of state when her husband was president then well you bomb administration was in power which is the movement of troops that material up to russia's borders while the war game from the baltics the korean peninsula to me
that looks extremely intimidating and someone that would recommend that there was some other way of engaging between the u.s. and russia suddenly that's evidence of a crime or of a mindset for a crime rather than sanity i mean that all by itself isn't even subtle and it's a frightening thought but as terms of proof what they were referring to both and you're at the mitri you have. a situation. if there were it's akin to saying hillary clinton prefers to sleep with goats we have photographs she exhibit a if you go it would have been a unit shows you know react we'd. be ok elegant alexander the the it's really quite amazing if you watch like c n n n n bits and d.c. it's is it is as if the last two and a half years didn't happen because now it's all about obstruction i mean there's no
reflection there's no inward looking they botched this i mean fuel that are and create this this hoax that is very dangerous for international affairs i mean you know we've seen that we're in a new cold war i mean that's and it's because of all of this in something that was completely invented out of nothing so now it's obstruction gate and we're going to get two more years of that i'm sick and tired of this story no evidence stop it it's move on go ahead in london. what the obstruction and i absolutely agree with you i mean i personally think that he's going to be impossible to sustain substantiate or sustain this instruction argument for any length of time and say that because the what and he's people have done is that they've parodied all out with very very very complicated legal arguments full of sawing taishan of
cases all intended to make it look very impressive in reality on the anybody who understands this area of the law can see one through it very very fast the fact is there was no underlying crime and i think that's absolutely clear if you look at the first vote at the report the second part is donald trump was clearly an innocent man. knew he was an innocent man and thirdly he did naturally do anything i mean he threatened and talked and stay. thundered about it but nothing actually happened because he would give instructions to various people they would refuse to carry them out because i'm pretty sure they knew that they weren't to be taken seriously and in the end donald trump pulls back and miller goes on unimpeded and gets everything heals school there's apparently no use of executive privilege privilege to withhold things from him he's able to see
everything he's able to do everything he gets says and donald trump that he doesn't really like but you know that's donald trump's privilege as somebody under interrogation act you know how the end of the day you simply can't see obstruction here there's no real evidence of it so i think if the democrats in the media want to flowing with this one they're just not going to get anywhere with it because it is the the american people are going to be a tool interested in something that never happened yeah something that never happened to conceal a conspiracy which didn't exist yet it is it's really the highest level of of being in denial because if the underlying narrative main is maintained that well we don't know exactly what it did and we can't really show you but it's their fault in a way it keeps this ridiculous narrative going because they have nowhere else to go
because they're not going to apologize for what they did. well basically i don't want our viewers to get an impression that we justify everything in drum dear to you no no no do you consider him a good target out of that now basically if you hang on to my debts a really good point here we could make a lot of programs what donald trump has done wrong and elian and his illegal foreign policy we could go on and on and on about that but this is about the rule of law keep going to. actually what we're seeing is a clash between two. very bad factions i'm sorry it's like hitler having a conflict with a room the kind of storm troopers in one thousand and thirty four war trump and his opponents were very aggressive in their foreign policy is they they basically destroyed several countries as well just didn't destroy any new ones but he continued to operate the so-called operations in syria and in many other places but what happened is that basically we have these these factions clash and and they use
ridiculous arguments i mean from this report the most interesting part for me was what actually michael flynn was talking about with the russian ambassador sergey tese that you know we were told that this was terrible that this was treason you know fleeing misinformed the vice president actually for leaving try to talk the russians into v two in pulling in every occasion which was good for raising well ok for him i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the russia gate ochs with r.t. .
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you know down in it nowhere in the report that we did we learned that the the people looked into the f.b.i. not taking a look at the d.n.c. servers and if we could get that whole issue resolved definitively then it would take on a very different direction but we don't get there and it's i get the impression that they're relying upon crowd strike which is obviously a tainted organization so it was somewhat. most fundamental simple things to resolve was not even looked into it not resolved go ahead don well. first of all alexander had kharab salute correct the. emphasis on the fact that this whole thing is taking place in front of the american public does nothing to address the actual concerns of the american public they were they could care less about russia good they want to know you know where the next meal is coming from and
how their rent their mortgage going to be paid to college tuition to health care and the democrats are serving up still russia gade moeller and all that i think that it's very very important to understand the significance of the declaration by bar that he's now going to be looking into the other side of the coin which is you know what you're it's emitting should have been done inside of this study that is you almost in plain view you had a privately assembled funded by the d.n.c. and by one of the republican candidates smear report on trump that was shepherded to the f.b.i. and use that as the basis for fraud in the inducement basically on the pfizer ort to get a warrant to wiretap trump's campaign which but the obama administration which was actively campaigning for went in in the position of having access to all of trump's
communications that is something that you know makes watergate look yeah it's what happened here and that investigation is just about to begin you know a few months out from the beginning of the twenty twenty election so i think that if trump is able to satisfy the in the economic concerns of enough people in the right places you know for electoral college or whatever calculus they used and ammar on this theme through the media was. much as they can get it out i don't see how the democrats have a chance to win next year unless they come across with some of the little actually satisfy people's needs is that it or rush ok once jumping ahead. i mean the media. struct injustice you know he basically tried to obstruct the investigation of something that never happened to you know what it's going to do with russia right so that is absurd but what we're seeing now is basically the
media obstructing justice because gave this press conference minutes before releasing the report and all of the media lashed out at him for what for saying that probably they were going to investigate the investigators that they were going to find out who started the whole collusion thing which is a very nature will move and bar did nor did not in a new way distort the east and some of the report they didn't fight and they didn't find any evidence of collusion but the media just at dak bar and i think it was a classic case of us obstructing justice before that justice was even nolens to be served you know how xander donald trump throughout this time period in his lawyers called it a witch hunt i think the term will stay in vogue because that's exactly what the media's going to say is investigating the investigators basically the obama administration they're going to call that
a witch hunt and i think they will will get still very skewed coverage of it and don de bar is absolutely right people are not interested in this story they're being forced being forced to listen to it and to do get involved in this political battle the democrats have against this duly elected president so alexander i mean the the the media and the democrats they don't want the other shoe to drop they don't want the best gaiters to be investigated that's the only part of this whole two. but i am interested in because all of us on this program found this hoax to be ridiculous from the get go go ahead in london what it will indeed and i mean and do or don't is absolutely right about this because of course so many of the things that we are i would judge important on all actually in the report i mean to give you an example christopher steel and he's famous dossier which played such a big role in so many of the media stories back in two thousand and seventeen and
which was used to obtain the fines the warrants on cancer page it's barely mentioned i mean you don't have an admission for example the this report played or any role to all in triggering the investigation and that is mean and very far right so it's as if it didn't exist and all the many of the sort of catalogue of characters. were involved in investigating this report in some tangential way then only then will mentioned only that so that of course we need to see a proper investigation into how this whole thing to cough in the way that it did leading to a report a four hundred twenty two page report after i mean must be tens of thousands of
hours of investigations millions of dollars the entire political system of the you know you'd states paralyzed foreign policy held hostage russian american relations brought to crisis or to achieve nothing nothing because there was nothing there and that really ought to be something people should see looking into and of course you're absolutely right the media will oppose it for rose. it's that the witch hunt allegation will now sleep to the other side though with flawless justice because there's no have to till the certain very unattractive things happen you know john i watched bars testimony in front of congress and he said really. very clearly and with great deal of confidence that trump administration had been spied upon now i don't know if our viewers saw the entire testimony but at the very
end it congressman want to do you really want to change that word maybe you want to sit in your comfort spying and bar the only adult in the room and it's refreshing to have an adult in the room for a change because we haven't seen him for a long long time he said no you can also bail inspiring whatever you want to call it but we're going to look into that we're definitely going to look into i thought half the room was going to faint because we have enough we have enough evidence already in the public realm to know that that is that exactly what happened we just need to connect all the dots and and have a grand jury and start the investigation they now it's their turn to do some talking go ahead don. and see the this advantage that the perpetrators of that. face the the disadvantages position that they occupy. basically rests on the fact that what they've done was assemble
into a sworn affidavit as submitted to a court rather than a bunch of hearsay and collateral references to computer input in st petersburg and kiev and wherever else these various communications were supposed that they waged in other words rather than just some amorphous allegations that can get strung together in a timeline that looks impressive but. no factual evidence there is an affidavit sworn to you know with no to or with the notary at the end of it submitted to a court that could be presented these people actually did say these things you will court and here is the court order that they received that allows them to wired and hears the wired that these things exist in the material world they can be dragged into a war room or before congressional committee and they could be exposed to the world
and those things in my estimating this looking at it right now but i think i see serial felonies there were a whole lot of players including a lot of people in congress you covered or did what knowledge of it and people in the media as well you know there was a conspiracy actually a grand conspiracy on a scale that we have never seen before and that it was too undermined a candidate in the in the opposition and a duly elected president this is far far bigger than watergate you know and when people say oh there's no comparison there is a comparison and and watergate was a small beer ok because this isn't the case of all conspiracies and it's really real daemon go ahead. i agree with you completely about also taking on water and xander sad about the damage that material damage done by the investigation it's not only thirty five million dollars which were paid for it officially it's not the
only thousand so what can also join that is to know the new york times sent a team to prague to find out if trump's official madley of the russian representative there and they've never happened also don't forget that our sanctions imposed on russia be exactly exactly a conclusion and the sanctions if we take into account. that slavish boyish of the european union which also impose sanctions these sanctions echoed into an estimates course that voted to ban. hundred billion dollars to the to the western wall to the european union and of course billions of dollars to russia so basically it's the damage from all of this story is huge and unfortunately it continues you know right before the report was released stefan call and published a very good piece in the nation where he singled out three markers of wise that's
what i would call it markers of allies he hasn't yet read the report he couldn't afford a report by that time but he said that if the all the narrative about comparing russia gate to. harbor continuous if the so-called steel door see a continuous and if they continue to suspect people who met russians or who talked about drums business in russia to suspect them of crimes that means the whole story continues and unfortunately this is true you know every media outlet after the release of the report with the same stories in the press mentioning again michael cohen who who is now in jail in part because he did not reveal all the details about i'm quoting hume. you know discussing gifted russia's president vladimir putin and fifty million penthouse and then there it says the reason out of a dream of a half russian
a german who would have run out of time and this is it would be funny if it weren't tragic here many thanks to my guests here in moscow in london and in new york and thanks to our viewers for watching us here darkie see you next time and remember rostov was. you know you. have the right to have. you can. you know you don't want. to build up. the. what do you do before you came here where did you work
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