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evidence and some for. most of it is some or based upon the assumption that any russian. citizen of consequence awol some ohio was close to mr putin bugged out is not substantiated but was presented in the report well i would also take issue with sweeping we know that the miller probe indicted thirteen russian nationals on conspiracy charges that's in relation to social media campaign and twelve on hacking and dumping charges can twenty five people realistically even try to sweep the election in a country of three hundred twenty seven million can be really do it in the quote systematic way though i don't cause if we're looking at is or to in practical terms the hypothetical way and setting aside for a moment the question as to whether there was
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a winning strategy no. you know american politics as its own i can and sense as a and the notion that somebody playing games at the margins of the election could dictate or even influence the outcome is frankly frankly absurd. most of their food to compare russia with the stage the united states has been fall or effect in influencing the domestic politics of other countries the un russia. i mean where during the day and how the overt ways and venezuela and iran and syria of doing that in russia reach our whole weekend discussed but before we go there you sound a little bit skeptical about the scale of russian interference but i personally am it's important to point out that the crime and denies any connection to. you both
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ways of. the operations that miller pointed out the social media can be an end to hacking but i personally find the hacking in the dumping story believe it will because this is something that intelligence services around the world do you teach other they find vulnerabilities and they exploited them what i don't understand is why would the americans expect to be treated with the kid gloves particularly by the russians because americans believe we believe there were exceptional. are we prue augur to. nobody knows how. to word our position and have some kind of obligation and act to set the rules on to applause. from our own perspective and all this tendency which is really reserved in you know in the country sort of history and so definition center has
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become much more pronounced and so far as international affairs as concerned. with the end of the cold war and most especially the last few years as you know under mr mr trump you know in terms of hacking or so they'll as electronic surveillance don't forget we know know that they enter say. you know applying electronic surveillance to national leaders. or on the world including the chancellor merkel in germany that was made evident substantiated in the wiki leaks release is five five years ago and i assume eve the american intel had stumbled upon evidence of putin's wrongdoing they would not hesitate to release it would they know ordered i would simply be a practical calculation of whether it was seen to be the advantage of. you know
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over washington i said they want to have a point all the. personal and all woods of was of cause as well they do have some indirect knowledge in fact this has been made public and there are very technically conversant people experts who have worked in the national security agency including a former technical director. of secure security agency who are version that the forensic evidence makes it clear that there was no hacking that instead someone within their agency downloaded those files and pass pass them on and that has never been refuted and this is also that we kill leaks also alleges now the military port specifically states in the view of the investigators russia perceived it would benefit from
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a trump presidency and that's why it worked to secure that outcome do you agree with that assessment that. russia would be counting on trump more than it would be hoping to discount mrs clinton were let's let's be down to hours of this you have two people running for the presidency and. one mrs clinton has called mr putin the new hitler the other is making considered dettori noises of his ability to cooperate or at least to engage with with mr putin for whatever reason it wasn't based in on mr trump sort of serious systematic assessment but who many case that's what he would say so if that's the choice is. that it's evident the do whatever profer and. any reasonable rational person would have for folks what
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you do about it or don't do and what effect you might lose a surfer questions well i think there's also a very specific russian context here because for the russians the clintons have come to you a pizza mob actually interference i mean it's not a secret that bill clinton worked very hard to get boris yeltsin elected as russian president in ninety nine to six sending his aides to moscow trashing the i'm after for a ten billion dollar loan hillary clinton also made her preferences known they had of the two thousand and twelve elections when you consider all that clinton's history with russia didn't they legitimized luxury all interference long ago by the only example but yes you said a president. but that is something more. political elite tends to ignore and goes back to this notion which is very deeply rooted in there
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or it can psyche you know to states being exceptional and having the true true things and judge of those. little alone. is. not there to understand they have to produce fully to their merkin psyche and it becomes more a matter of psychology an ounce of apologies and politics but it is a fact that a lot of. the way north united states behave set precedence for other country and legitimate as it is not emotion the problem of it and the thinking of the let's call it the political class in a row and washington that is an unfortunate reality of the situation but it's not only about the american public opinion it's also about. what people in other
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parts of the world think because i mean it is the paradox of the american power that the american president has a much broader foreign policy discretion to a fact lives. of people in other countries than in his own country mrs clinton if elected she would her actions would have a much greater bearing on my life or people in syria than dan merica ends and i just wonder what is the you know of the appropriate the legitimate way all for you know voicing the concern about these kind of literature because she does have a very very long and i would say very destructive track record it's very rare for foreign policy issue war determine a presidential election it's almost always domestic issues of one kind or another. shape the debate and influence people vote second there tends to be
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a ted there is a tendency. to give the president a free. to do what he wishes to do in the way that domestically some of this is legal constitutional some of it is institutional. some of it has to do with the fact simply that there is more consensus generally speaking on foreign policy matters then there is on on domestic matters no that's certainly true today and most specifically in regard true true russia in a word his image of russia as a hostile power is pervasive in the states again for river riding ever of a sort of complex reasons well professor brown and we have to take a short break now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. because
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i live the good feel confident. we have learned things and the smiles and this isn't enough for everyone and why some peoples wants to take our things all the power just for themselves and to see
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whether even. after the previous stage of my career was over everyone wondered what i was going to do next the different clubs on one hand it is logical to go from fields where everything is familiar on the other i wanted a new challenge and the fresh perspective i'm used to suppressing. or not if you think. i'm going to talk about football not for you or else i just think i was going to go.
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by the way what is it that flying here. facebook and google started with a great idea and great ideals unfortunately it was also a very dark so. they are constructing a profile of you and that profile is real it's detailed and it never goes away. turns out that google is manipulating your opinions from the very first character that you type into the search bar it will always favor one dog food over another one comparative shopping service over another and one candidate over another they can suppress certain types of results based on what they think you should be see if they have this kind of power then democracy is an illusion the free and fair election doesn't exist the more growth we give them the sooner we're all.
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welcome back to worlds apart that michael brown and professor emeritus of international affairs at the university of pittsburgh professor brennan just before the break we were talking about how. i think there were legitimate upper hand about the kind of flipper ship that secretary clinton could have presented to the world not to that americans but to the world especially dealing with her policy record in libya and syria but i think we may never know the full details of how those decisions were made because the clinton camp intentionally destroyed a lot of electronic records without ever facing the abstraction of justice charges do you think she has anything to worry about now that mr trump has been cleared.
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no no she does. this boy. you know we should bear in mind the. true it's a conclusion. or was that there'd been no collusion. between mr trump and his immediate associates on the russian government you know most of those meetings and to do with trump's real estate dealings and of a business activities involve involving russia. but what he's been cleared of blood in effect concluded that there probably was instructed obstruction of justice there was a good deal of evidence the other curb but the framing for pressing them a little he lay on the grounds that you can indict
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a sitting american president no we should say that's not constitutional it is not in the law or it is simply customary practice all policy or or or understanding that means it's up to the congress whether it wants to take that evidence and make it the basis for impeachment but that's not going to occur of oh there's no appetite for that on since the republicans control the senate. it's a closed question what it would i don't understand is that how you keep your how you can accuse somebody of obstructing justice when there is no underlying crime because it's very clear from the miller reported that chomped and people around him received what was going on be the probe as a great injustice to him and in retrospect i wonder you should actually be credited
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for exercising restraint rather than trying to obstruct what seemed to be a political injustice i mean there is no underlying crime how can he abstract or you can you can obstruct the process the legal process whatever its outcome. in other words the obstruction of justice bill interfering with an investigation is a crime. and so though could be legal if mr trump or an ordinary citizen. would be legitimate legal basis for suing him. prosecuting him and seeking in and for obstruction of justice though that issue has been raised by some other republicans but i believe from what i understand that's really a specious issue and rudy doesn't have any legal standing but if the concern is
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really so much with the with the process we know from n.b.c. reports that the clinton camp did everything they accuse trump all they relied on the for in their it's you against compromising information on him they handed out compromising in fraudulent material to the media and to the intelligence agencies they destroyed records i mean they destroyed their phones and their e-mail records isn't dr worth looking into for the sake of democracy and the equal equal treatment before a lawyer if nothing else. but that's politics that's not law or potential is sort of criminality in other words the points the moeller may under the heading of obstruction of justice refer to his investigation and other. in other words a sump lot simply a question of the games you play or the dubious actions you take
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to to influence. the political process and that's was very often as was the case with richard nixon forty five years ago it's what happens once the legal process has begun and that often leads to acts of criminality and sends people to. rather than the original action of initiated the process in the first place the u.s. attorney general william barr already pledged to investigate the the origins of the f.b.i. counterintelligence investigation into russia and there is a suspicion that they may be another collusion the collusion between the democrats and the intelligence services if proven how big of a deal it's going to be you for a democrat public it's a big deal but if there were any truth to it but this is a propaganda campaign mr ball i don't think is just. an agent of
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mr trump he was just a point to a few months ago after a long interviews with mr trump and on a fact he. so well with this process in a quite disgraceful fashion as a spokesman for for the white house he has no credibility in the minds of anyone but republican partisans but i suppose it's well it's not going to be him personally looking into that if he were to appoint somebody like let's say robert miller again to investigate another cool collusion do you think that would have more credence in your eyes no i think at the end of the day. highly doubtful that he'll do. just making political points you know the american electoral campaign has already begun we're going to have to suffer through it for the next eighteen months
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and so everything becomes khaled you know including foreign policy but professor brennan help me understand here because for the last two years do democrats have been making political points about the miller investigation why is it not ok to lead the republicans do the same and settle die suspicions through the. investigative process because there are real issues about the the provenance of the still dots here and whether or not it was used to get fives or warrants etc why those issues are not serious enough to be looked into given that the last two years respond into investigating as trump likes to say and nothing burger or more nothing burger. actually trumps from francis or mcdonald's cheeseburgers. consumers. or all day long but seriously. the
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democrats who appointed mr it was it was the federal government under republican president with republican attorney general with a career office in the justice department many prosecutors who have a track record of benefiting the democratic and contributing to the democratic campaign i mean i think the republicans have also made a point that they would be have certain parts leanings no that's unfortunate i don't believe correct mr moeller him so as or always classified him so as not just a republican but a conservative republican mr khomeini has always. called him so a conservative republican mr all sting has no political allegiance
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whatsoever of which we know so if these people have such stellar reputations why not asking them to look into issues that a significant part of that melich american electorate is concerned about i mean i know many people on the republican side and they do believe that it was a political hit job to appoint this probe and they do have issues with hillary clinton and her destruction of records. the use of the steel dos here and how it was procured how it was used by the intelligence services why is that not enough to look into by somebody who you all can trust well this was looked into by the f.b.i. by the by they call me a comber is a loyal republican he's not a is not a democrat. and so this was looked and true and then the let's bear in mind we come to this dubious deal goes or it's over.
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it's a very intricate back wound. and that there were people who were in both the russian saw eye and the americans who were hustling who were trying to sort of promote them so and while offering material to both sides to the republicans on the on the democrats and. with regard to the steel go see a. war involving. six and britain as mushers a did anyone in washington and this aspect of the like has really not gotten much attention just as the script ball affair is only a concoction of m i five and six with systems well i think many russians when they grieve you on the late late are correct there is
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a shot now we have only a few minutes left let me ask you one thing that many here in moscow are hoping for there is a hope that the miller probe and the clearing of trump will allow him to be more flexible in his relations with russia and allow him to work with moscow on issues of global importance do you think that's likely. things. i don't see any change of any consequence whatsoever in terms of washington's thinking of attitudes towards or paulo season rigo all true true russia let's bear in mind too saying there's a very strong consensus throughout the american political establishment that rusher is a dangerous hostile power. is shared by republicans and democrats on the
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media. and second look at mr trump's actions it's knowledge that he simply been hesitant it engaging with the mr putin he has confronted russia cross the border whether it has to do with nato expansion military exercises and the ploy months and. in europe whether it has to do with the breaking of all these control agreements whether it has to do with syria another words mr mr trump as been have been has been not at all considered torie were there we go all the true russia and mr putin and i think that's one of the real harms of the last two years that it pathologist any effort to improve the relations between our countries despite them being nuclear powers anyway professor brennan we have to leave it there we are out of time but i really appreciate you being with us today and sharing your perspective thank you very much
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for that well you're very welcome much appreciated the opportunity i encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and hope to see you again same place same time here on the part. we could only be docile the old ball. would sit to fall to the.
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well. except. for the security. we're going to.
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be neat politically. from. been. giving. the process so basically what i'm doing for. facebook and google started with a great idea and great ideals unfortunately it was also a very dark side. they are constructing a profile of you and that profile is real it's detailed and it never goes away turns out that google is manipulating your opinions from the very first. character that you type into the search bar it will always favor one dog food over another one comparative shopping service over another and one candidate over another they
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can suppress certain types of results geist on what they think you should be see if they have this kind of power then democracy is an illusion the free and fair election doesn't exist the more growth we give them the sooner we're all. with no make just manufacture consent to student of public wealth. when the ruling classes protect themselves. with the financial merry go round lifts only the one percent. we can all middle of the room sick. room for the real news room.
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in the stories that shape the week the first ever summit between of london we were put in the north korea's kim jong with the jews by love for all relations and made focus remaining on removing nuclear capabilities from the korean and. russian national maria boots and jailed in the us for faithing to register as a foreign agent or lawyer see she is a victim of the current political climate in washington. not of maria maria's activities in the us were illegal. in and of themselves but she got caught up in this and she rushes hysteria.


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