tv Cross Talk RT May 29, 2019 10:30am-11:00am EDT
european elections are not that popular with with voters but the it was this time around so luke what is changed go ahead. well i would say nothing much for the moment at least i mean brussels is preparing itself for designating the president of the commission in the all the president's council of parliament etc in the coming weeks so. this is a moment where of course you can reflect upon the results and these results are never as fantastically good often testicular bad as expected because you have 27 countries or 28 still with a britain that participated and. of the populists the so-called populists is there there now must the something must have something like 25 percent of the voting european parliament which is quite big at the less than expected maybe and the greens on the other side of the all the major whereas with the with us being the 2 traditional parties and the liberals defending just their turf the extreme left is
also down at european level of course there are differences national differences but generally speaking that was expect ok well john in edinburgh i mean i do the european elitist can say well it's business as usual the elections are over we move forward i mean the people have spoken there and their voice is getting louder in louder in more focused here i mean what's democracy for a plea leads don't react to it go ahead john yeah but these elites of incapable of reacting to the words of coal marks the source of who are unable to control the power of the netherworld that they have called up by their spells they are the architects of their own demise and to paraphrase teller own they have lived nothing and forgotten everything we have learned nothing from the brics a vote in the u.k. 2016 learned nothing from the election over you know skeptic coalition government last year and the forgotten everything about the impact of the server just entity that the people of greece in violation of the country's democratic will. in 2015 so
these people having capable of changing all they can do is carry on as if nothing's happened move along nothing to see here and they're heading for a crash course what these european elections continue to indicate. momentum of you know skepticism from the right right and posing the question that either the e.u. cheese need a little isms neo liberalism or it's people's will that the e.u. the former is not happening and a lot of as francesco and paris i mean i think one most important take away from it all is that there's a growing part of the european electorate there are they want more of their sovereignty back or at least not they don't want to keep ceding it away and i think that that is a very important political cultural expression on the part of a lot of voters because these voters are very motivated to get out they have something that they either they want to gain something more or stop losing what they've been losing inside the european union go ahead in paris. i think i think
you are right i will see from that the same time you can let me explain to you because the results are not so clear that he threw the we were expecting a breakthrough of euro skeptics but these are the only a few counties and my challenge is the counties where actually the. carrying of. my own country that where of course we have been suffering from the wrong body you mentioned before but not not only not known in some other countries use. of protests that came out most not abused by you but have been doing better you had almost so. i mean i'm always trying to. restrain from. patients on one side of the room so not only in europe of course not only in europe i mean fighting against the what you call the elite and all this talk of war but then you're saying very high. you know these policies are using the challenge but
it's not true sure the answer to your people who want let's go read the hero that these soldiers something that they're very that's a very spare that's a very fair point ok but i think what people they know what they don't want right now that that's the stage we're in right now they know what they don't want here that let's go back to lou care i mean you can't get something on that just a few words because then go ahead go ahead go ahead and you on both sides the those let's say the europeans who are still the majority to find i mean they don't know what they want because we see in the europeans you have everything you have those who say that you should keep going with going to force those who say we should reform europe and make it more fair an eccentric sector among the know you work in the you know you also have. the need tries to forge an alliance we sort of are by for example and we will be there for these guys we should be more so the stereotype that you can hear me knowing is not enough so you see you see within the
2 camps you have so much. that it's very hard to see how european policy can actually evolve from here it's a very interesting let's go back to look here i mean i've often been very critical of the democracy deficit in the european union the distance between the the the voters and i will continue to use the term elites because that's what they are they're very pampered and well taken care of elites in europe ok but one of the things i think is very important is that there is a democratic surge people want to use the ballot box what i worry about is that these people that want to hear their voice heard they will be continued to be ignored and i think that is what the real danger is here because people who want to use democracy to change their lives that's what they expect go ahead and brussels. well you are absolutely right i think that the people will not be pleased by the solutions that will be found by the traditional. that will of course continue with
our style and majority of typically pro european parties by the way we're all pro european we're all europeans we know that even the brits want to leave they feel europeans when we have something in common of course we do but we don't want of this united states of europe that the present elite is trying to impose on us an immigration that they try to impose in a globalist view that people refuse to see is of course also that people might not realize it but the traditional parties have manipulated the committee work in the european parliament for example not to give any power any decision to the populists so these parties that ready have now something like 25 percent but you should also count victor audubon in d.e.p.t. in the christian democratic group you should council so the conservatives the conservative group not only the british ones but why are also very sovereigntists
very much for the national identity so all these people feel national identity 1st and they won't get it in the well in the decisions that will be taken by the next parliament will show what they are watching what's wrong for wanting to defend your country's sovereignty and you know i really don't like how people criticize that word populist ok i mean populate it because you want to defend your own country your own sovereignty your own borders that's a that's a dirty word i really hate how the mainstream media pollute our politics go ahead in edinburgh. where you have to be careful when you talk about national sovereignty peter or a war such as national interest there's no national interest in any complex country there are class interests and i personally cannot die on the whole of british so venti given britain wrong the world going back 500 years as a corneal imperialist did but the point of the comes to the point of democracy and what's wrong the question of the phrase of nationalism we've seen in a lot to believe cutting is due to. conditions of economic. extremis caused by the
global economic crash in 2008 and the refusal of the proponents of neo liberalism to recognise that this model is a corpse it doesn't work and there's only keeping alive through life support under austerity programs and naturally deepening the problem so it's economic at the heart of this issue and democracy is a symptom of that and it's being refracted through nationalism and national particularism in paris i see you nodding your head go ahead jump in. i think the it's really the. somebody say a few years ago it was little clinton yes exactly be the surge of national interests coincide with the moment in which europe stopped. being and that that. was not you know you people like me when i mean by the.
policies kerry long since 2010 i think i still believe the best way to serve the family and the french and the germany there is use within europe how can we compete i'm talking to you in russia and we compete with russia. how can how can we compete with china how can we compete we the united states so the best we can serve the purpose is to serve the european interests not that probably means that you're not mean served in the past 10 years and that's why the. but that that is not a long term can be a short term solution will never be a long term solution ok gentlemen i'm going to jump in when i think it's very interesting here is that you know this always gets down to the argument to either. limit centralization or increase integration and that's a point we'll talk about when we return here after a short break will contain. or discussion on the e.u.
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welcome back across the uk where all things considered i'm peter welch remind you we're discussing the e.u. elections. ok let's go back to luke in brussels i mean it had a very interesting point in the 1st part of the program here you know of about how italy and the you know the deals with the world and how the european union deals with the world and it seems like every single crisis point of this project somebody says sort of elite say we need to integrate more we need the united states of europe but not one single citizen of the european union it's ever voted for such a proposition it's just assumed that it's the right way to go to get out of a crisis but you don't ask the people and that's why i think this election is very important here and if these parties in the parliament are not going to be allowed on committees and all that it does show is a lack of democratic commitment on the part of the elites it's just going to perpetuate the frustration so many people have because as i said in the
introduction this program the status quo isn't working for the average person luke after my diatribe there go ahead and brussels. so as you say you know we all feel europeans but we don't want what they have been stopped for us and and the little games in brussels the people really don't like when they hear about it they they're not really interested the distance is too high too too big between the citizens in their country and europe in brussels or unstoppable by the waste hospital brussels that's crazy to have this move every month between one capital and the other that's that's really crazy they should decide once and for all but they have been things that are you know really disgusting martin said meyer who was the secretary of mystic has been designated in a corrupt way the general secretary of the administration of the i mean this b.
and now of course he's of the party of mrs merkel and now the part of mrs merkel to see do you see is who they want to have missed the v.a. but as the president of the european commission what else i mean this is a little games and little power games that should stop in the coming days and weeks they will have to decide who will be the president of the european commission the executive arm and replace them stephen curry and that promises some some difficult discussions ok in germany it's go back to edinburgh i mean the european economic community i was a big fan of that ok because it wasn't about it didn't take your sovereignty away from you but actually the you found synergies with other european economies and that's what should be happening right now ok that it is building of the united states of europe it is a it's a fool's errand because you know what i've been to greece and i've been to scotland and i've been to
a lot they're very very different places ok why you have to you know square the circle with all of them in it ok i can i do get it you know that the low countries are most german. ins they like the european union does very well for them but it doesn't do very well for it it stunts the growth of some cunt countries look at poor greece greece is going to live in the gutter for generations because of the e.u. and the euro ok i mean it isn't the same all the way across and i just wonder of what this election you know the elites are going to say hey we have to start again having a much more nuanced look instead of looking after our own personal interest goes out and just reflecting about what luke just said in brussels go ahead john. well there's no in its current form the e.u. as a lot of the prison hosts of nations locked in say the neoliberal strait jacket with a single currency which doesn't work because money to union with a fiscal union is untenable i am you're right there is absolutely no appetite for
further political integration and it's the jew politicization of the course concerned given the huge rule and the crisis in ukraine and given the rule of the you as he has reliable has you know washington and many years and this is the elephant in the room washington this is a europe of the americans yourselves to go understood this yet when he would be a poor the formation of its initial incarnation 1951 the european court of course still community he understood this if this was a medal of an american project this was not triumph of european diplomacy it was a triumph of u.s. diplomacy coming out of the 2nd world wars a global economic hedge or more and so how can you have argued a peanut when you have russia and america look 10 and told of various that we'll never have a harmony of nations across europe we need to return to some semblance of sovereignty your great europe of nations as chose to go so presciently advocated after the 2nd world war ok let's go to back to paris what role did immigration play in this
selection across the entire continent. immigrations a perfect example of what was seen before. the united states of europe are also nobody was. of course this sort of focus on one of them but most don't love the rest of that dimension but nobody wants to fix it i've personally seen that that would be the best possible solution for restoring democracy in your thirty's my personal computer what they was meaning before is that we the in the data set up we can have different policies and these different policies in both much but call him a shot across. that the. who. will these nominees old home as being the case it's almost a case. alabama they need more different from new york than you see last year from
greece so we have the same. i'm not really sure that's a very good i'm not sure that's a very good analogy because i mean what you have in the united states you didn't have set identities the only one broad identity was american so this being an alabama and american there was no tension at all ok i think there's a lot of tension in the european union about being european and italian ok because being an italian doesn't so it doesn't necessarily serve your interests ok i have heard this argument before didn't work ok keep going to paris see more complicated but let's let's pass on that it's not very important that by the make in editions of a book is important but these work is the problem with your solution is a few of the counties in the southern belle have been left completely alone but and are their own ok so who are the nation if you commission parties will be the sort of the other solution is found through by itself we try to go that was more
efficient to your european in the current world. well i mean i mean well and by that i mean if you have frau merkel you know let's go back to brussels here i mean you know with a few sentences chichi determined europe's immigration policy to the detriment of many many people ok i mean again where is the democracy in that everybody knows germany is a powerful country inside the european union the most powerful country and only more so when there is a break is it ok but i mean again that breaks all kind of democratic norms consultations and worrying about how it's going to impact other countries in the european union look at poor greece again people is walking right through ok and they can do nothing about it luke go ahead and brussels medical in a way created the alternative yet now has literally sent of the vote in the european parliament that's her doing and the key of course it's a bit better for the moment there are less people trying to cross the mediterranean
they go to spain mainly that's why you have folks appearing in spain because people don't want this but the problem the coming problem looming on the horizon is a silent danger is the fact that europe gives the family reunification possibility to all the people who have arrived and so these people why are. they looking for a job desperately in school it's called chain migration raining it's cold in my gratian cetera they won't bring their families they will bring their mothers their fathers their kids to wives and these people will be net receivers of social security that we pay not them and so that's what the people hey didn't europe they say look we don't want this we don't want family reunification that brings nearly $5.00 more people for each asylum seeker that's accepted that's the key problem and no putting in process in the well wants to i mean the bad i mean you know when a country does take
a stand on immigration like hungary you know it is turned it's turned into a pariah. when italy wants to do something about it it's turned into a pariah i mean again we talk about this tension about what sovereignty means inside the european union in this election is telling us that that tensions only going to increase because you have to ask the people about these issues and not the whims of the german chancellor go ahead in edinburgh. or think we have to identify the source of the problem the source of the problem is the rule of western hegemony and disrupting. especially middle east north africa which is producing those food of refugees or economic migrants or people who are seeking a better life and after all we would all do the same and their positions are sometimes we have to try and see the world through their eyes but the thing europe it's a free movement of capital as a view of distorting impact and as a driver of economic migration and it goes back again to the neoliberal economic model which is the very antithesis of democracy and national sovereignty and it
told countries can control the flow of capital going out of their countries then they will never be able to fully control their own economies and meet and have some form of intervention in terms of infrastructure in terms of providing jobs public works programs especially in a frame of economic recession so again when it comes to the roots of neo liberalism and how it works to distort economies across europe and throughout the world and the wealth of the northern hemisphere peter we must recognize is predicated on the poverty of the southern hemisphere and so until we address that imbalance these global economic imbalances will always have problems with migration coming into utah and coming to the wealthier parts of the planet so we can't control these problems until we address the drives not the pool factors but the drive the push factors and that goes back to the free movement of capital ok well let's go back to paris i mean what is the next step for the european union after this election i mean is it just something that they're going to ignore and just keep keep their
fingers crossed that the they can continue their on their merry path. here because again you know this this deficit of democracy i think is building in tension and if there isn't if these issues are not addressed the way individuals and individual countries it's only going to get worse for the european union and the the belief in the european union i mean for god's sake what's going on with briggs that last 30 seconds to paris go ahead. we need to have a change of course i mean the what you were mentioning before is here the problem is not the 5 people who use the word perceive the problem is what we do with what precisely what the how do we finance it how do we find ways. to make it to the. global world these are the questions we have to us not how we protect ourselves from people from the south because. people's perfectly right i mean the problem is that these guys there were people who made them poor so we collectively made them poor so they're coming there will be coming so the problem is what do we do our
social model i know you can if you're back to the 1st time we're going to. be with you going on as we were going. so far we did not solve our problems you make us much worse than we were ok that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests in brussels paris and in edinburgh and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.c. in x. time and remember. after the previous stage of my career was over everyone wondered what i was going to do next about different clubs on one hand it is logical to go from fields where everything is familiar on the other i wanted a new challenge and the fresh perspective i'm used to suppressing and i saw what
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news headlines this hour a possible u. turn in the crisis as the u.s. position in caracas. talks with the president to be held. her treat. also coming up the leader of germany's ruling party is proposing tighter media regulation in that country. to bloggers for her party's heavy losses in the e.u. elections. so why rules should apply for digital content these are depressions rubel need to discuss not just for the. media policy as a whole in the future of democracy.