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black eye and bloody nose all across europe voters put the elites on notice the status quo is not working for the people the surge to the right and the rise of populism maybe a game changer was the elites now listen. crosstalk in the e.u. elections i'm joined by my guest john white and he's a political commentator and writer in brussels we have here is an independent journalist and in paris we cross to francesco so rich you know he is deputy director at c.e. sciences poll all right gentlemen crossed means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciate it let's go to luke in brussels let's go to the belly of the beast itself how is brussels meaning the e.u. stomaching these election results because you can't say they were unexpected maybe a point here or maybe a point there but more or less it was expected there would be a populous would do well the right more right wing parties would do well and we
have to point out in spain the left did pretty well there as well but there's certainly you can't say it's a protest vote anymore the trends are there and the and the number of people that went out to vote were quite astounding considering european elections rypien elections are not that popular with with voters but they it was this time around so luke what is changed go ahead. what i would say they are saying much for the moment to brussels is preparing itself for designating the president of the commission and the all the presidents of the council parliament etc in the coming weeks so. this is a moment where of course you can reflect upon the results and these results are as fantastically good often testicular bad as expected because you have 27 countries 28 still with a britain that participated and the. this. more planned than
expected but to the victory of the populace the so-called populist stare they now must to something must have something like 25 percent of the photon european parliament which is quite big at the less than expected maybe and the greens on the other side and the other major whereas with that was a spring 2 traditional parties and the liberals defending just their turf the extreme left is also down at european level of course there are differences national differences but generally speaking that was expect ok well john in edinburgh i mean the european elitist can say well it's business as usual the elections are over we move forward i mean the people have spoken there and their voice is getting louder in louder in more focused here i mean what's democracy for a plea leads don't react to it go ahead john yeah but these are capable of reacting to the words of coal marks the source of who are unable to control the power of the netherworld that they have called out by their spells they are the architects of
their own demise and to paraphrase teller own they have lived nothing and forgotten everything we have learned nothing from the brakes a vote in the u.k. and 2016 learned nothing from the election over you know skeptic telling coalition government last year and the forgotten everything about the impact of the server just entity that the people of greece in violation of the country's democratic will in 2015 so these people are incapable of changing or they can do is carry on as if nothing's happened move along nothing to see here and they're heading for a crash because what these european elections continue to indicate is in inexhaustible momentum of you know skepticism from the right and posing the question of either the e.u. decius neo liberalism new liberalism or it's people's will the e.u. the former is not happening and a lot of as francesco and paris so i mean i think one more important take away from it all is that there is a growing part of the european electorate there are who want more of their sovereignty back on. at least not they don't want to keep ceding it away and i
think that that is a very important political cultural expression on the part of a lot of voters because these voters are very motivated to get out they had something that they either they want to gain something more or stop losing what they've been losing inside the european union go ahead in paris. i think i think you are right i will see from that the same time because let me explain to you because there is not some not so clear that he gets through the we were expecting a breakthrough of euro skeptics but these are the only a few cons and my challenge is the counties where actually the. need is. carrying go. my own country that where of course we have been suffering from the wrong body you mentioned before but not not only not known in some other countries it's a very different way of protests that came out most not of these new green parties
that have been doing but you had almost so. i mean i'm i'm always trying to. restrain from seeing patients on one side of the room so not only in europe of course in europe i mean fighting against the what you call the elite i would call this talk of war but then you're saying these policies are using the challenge but it's not true sure that the un sort of you your people who want let's read the future that these soldiers home you know that so that they're very that's a very spare that's a very fair point ok but i think what people they know what they don't want right now that's the stage we're in right now they know what they don't want here that let's go back to luke air i mean can i get something on that just a few words because i'm going to go ahead go ahead and. on both sides the those let's say the europeans who are still the majority to find i mean they don't know what they want because we see in the europeans you have a. you have those who see it or should go in with you can be forms those should be
form you are going to make it more fair than an eccentric setter among the not in the us you also have. the need tries to forge an alliance we go to for example and we will be there for these guys we should know so little stereo you can hear me knowing is not enough so you see you see within 2 camps you have so much then that it's very hard to see how european and i can be involved from here it's a very interesting let's go back to look here i mean i've often been very critical of the democracy deficit in the european union the distance between the the the voters and i will continue to use the term elites because that's what they are they're very pampered and well taken care of elites in europe ok but one of the things i think is very important is that there is a democratic surge people want to use the ballot box what i worry about is that these people that want to hear their voice heard they will be continued to be
ignored and i think that is what the real danger is here because people who want to use democracy to change their lives that's what they expect go ahead in brussels. well you are absolutely right i think that the people will not be pleased by the solutions that will be found by the traditional parties that will of course continue with our style and majority of typically pro european parties by the way we're all pro european we're all europeans we know that even the brits want to leave they feel europeans when we have something in common of course we do but we don't want to of this united states of europe that the present elitist trying to impose on us an immigration that they try to impose in the globalist view that people refuse to say yes of course also that people might not realize that but the traditional parties have manipulated the committee work in the european. a month
for example not to give any power any decision to the populists so these parties start ready have now something like 25 percent but you should also count. in to be in the christian democratic group you should council so the conservatives the conservative group not only the british ones but while also very sovereigntists very much for the national identity so all these people feel national identity 1st and they won't get it in their own well in the decisions that will be taken by the next parliament will show what they are watching what's wrong for wanting to defend your country's sovereignty and you know i really don't like how people criticize that word populist ok i mean populate it because you want to defend your own country your own sovereignty your own borders that's a that's a dirty word i really hate how the mainstream media pollute our politics go ahead in edinburgh. where you have to be careful when you talk about national sovereignty peter or a war such as national interest that has no national interest in any country the
class interests and i personally cannot die on the whole of british so frantic given birth and wrong the world going back 500 years as a corneal imperialist state but the point that comes to the point of democracy and what's wrong the question of the rise of nationalism we've seen in a lot to believe cutting is due to conditions of economic and extremists caused by the global economic crash in 2008 and the refusal of the proponents of neo liberalism to recognise that this model is a corpse it doesn't work and they're only keeping alive through life support under austerity programs and that's only deepening the problem so it's economic at the heart of this issue and democracy is a symptom of that and it's being refracted through nationalism and national particularism in paris i see you nodding your head go ahead jump in. here.
somebody say a few years ago it was little clinton yes exactly. the surge of national interests coincides with the moment we stopped. being and that. was not the navy that will people like me what it means by the. policies since 2010 i think i still believe that the best way to serve the family and the french and the germany there is use within europe how can we compete i'm talking to you in russia and we compete with russia. how can how can we compete with china how can we compete we the united states so the best we can serve the. east to serve the european interests not the problem is that you're not mean served in the past 10 years and that's why the concept was but that that is not
a long term can be a short term solution will never be a long term solution ok gentlemen i'm going to jump in when i think it's very interesting here is that you know this always gets down to the argument of either. limits centralization or an increase integration and that's a point we'll talk about when we return here after a short break we'll continue our discussion on the e.u. elections state. of them so i'm willing. to build your. world before. which of those who heard it's a preview. we were going to. move
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of. welcome back across the uk where all things are considered i'm peter welch remind you we're discussing the e.u. elections. ok let's go back to brussels i mean it francesca a man had a very interesting point and there was the 1st part of the program here you know of about how italy and the you know it deals with the world and how the european union deals with the world and it seems like every single crisis point to this project somebody says where they lead say we need to integrate more we need the united states of europe but not one single citizen of the european union it's ever voted for such a proposition it's just assumed that it's the right way to go to get out of a crisis but you don't ask the people and that's why i think this election is barry . porton here and if these parties in the parliament are not going to be allowed on
committees and all that it does show is a lack of democratic commitment on the part of the elites and just going to perpetuate the frustration so many people have because as i said in the introduction this program the status quo isn't working for the average person luke after my diatribe there go ahead and brussels. so as you say you know we all feel europeans but we don't want what they have in stock for us and and the little games in brussels the people really don't like when they hear about it they they're not really interested the distance is too high too too big between the citizens in their country and europe in brussels or unstoppable by the waste hospital brussels that's crazy to have this move every month between one capital and the other that's that's really crazy they should decide once and for all but they have been things that are you know really disgusting martin said meyer who was the secretary of
mystic has been designated in a corrupt way the general secretary of the administration of the i mean this b. and now of course he's of the party of mrs merkel and now the part of mrs merkel the c.d.u. c.s.u. that they want to have missed of a but as the president of the european commission what else i mean this is a little games and little power games that should stop in the coming days and weeks they will have to decide who will be the president of the european commission the executive arm and replace them concur and that promises some some difficult discussions ok in germany it's go back to edinburgh i mean the european economic community i was a big fan of that ok because it wasn't about it didn't take your sovereignty away from you but actually the you found synergies with other european economies and that's what should be happening right now and i've been to lobby and they're very
very different places ok why you have to you know square the circle with all of them in it ok i can i do get it you know that the low countries are most germans they like the european union does very well for them but it doesn't do very well for it stunts the growth of sun cunt countries look at poor agree. yes greece is going to live in the gutter for generations because of the e.u. and the euro ok i mean it isn't the same all the way across and they may i just wonder of what this election you know the elites are going to say hey we have to start again having a much more nuanced look instead of looking after our own personal interests because our just reflecting about what luke just said in brussels go ahead. in its current form the e.u. as a lot of the prison hosts of nations locked in seyda neen a liberal straight jacket with a single currency which doesn't work because money to union with a fiscal union is untenable and then you're right there's absolutely no appetite
for further political integration and it's the jew politicization of the course concerned given the huge rule in the crisis in ukraine and given the rule of the. reliable has you know washington and many years and this is the elephant in the room washington this is a europe of the americans the other was to go understood this yet when he when he opposed the formation of its initial incarnation $151.00 the european court of course still community he understood this if this was a medal of an american project this was not triumph of european diplomacy it was a triumph of u.s. diplomacy coming out of the 2nd world wars a global economic hedge or more and so how can you have argued a peanut when you have russia and america walked in and told of various that we'll never have a harmony of nations across europe we need to return to some semblance of sovereignty you're right a europe of nations is chose to go so presciently advocated after the 2nd world war
ok let's go back to paris what role did immigration play in this selection across the entire continent. immigrations a perfect example of what was seen before. the united states of europe. nobody was. of course this sort of focus on one of them but not done most of the. rest of documentary and nobody wants to fix it i've personally seen that that would be the best possible solution for restoring democracy in your thirty's my personal computer what they was meaning before is that we the in the data set up we can have different policies and these different policies in both much but call him a shot across. that the. who. will these nominees oklahomans being their kids or mostly kids who are alabama they need more different from new york than me last year from greece so we have the same type of.
movie i'm not really sure that's a very good i'm not sure that's a very good analogy because i mean what you have in the united states you didn't have set identities the only one broad identity was american so this being an alabama or an american there was no tension at all ok i think there's a lot of tension in the european union about being european and italian ok because being an italian doesn't so it doesn't necessarily serve your interests ok i have heard this argument before didn't work ok keep going to paris see more complicated but let's let's pass on the very important the by the make the need to change the very because you find what the work is the program to meet your solution is a few. of the counties in the southern belt and been left completely alone with another their own ok so who are the nation of fumigation policies will be the sort of the other solution is found through by itself we try to go that was more
efficient your in your opinion in the world. well i mean what i mean by and by that i mean if you have frau merkel you know let's go back to brussels here i mean you know with a few sentences chichi determined europe's immigration policy to the detriment of many many people ok i mean again where is the democracy in that everybody knows germany is a powerful country inside the european union the most powerful country and only more so when there is braggs it ok but i mean again that breaks all kind of democratic norms consultations and worrying about how it's going to impact other countries in the european union look at poor greece again people is walking right through ok and they can do nothing about it luke go ahead and brussels medical in a way created the alternative yet now it's a little early cent of the vote in the european parliament that's her doing and the key of course it's a bit better for the moment there are less people trying to cross the mediterranean
they go to spain mainly that's why you have folks appearing in spain because people don't want this but the problem the coming problem looming on the horizon is a silent danger is the fact that europe gives the family reunification possibility to all the people who have arrived and so these people why are. looking for a job desperately in school it's called chain migration raining it's called in migration cetera they will bring their families they will bring their mothers their fathers their kids to wives and these people will be net receivers of social security that we pay not then and so that's what the people hey didn't europe they say look we don't want this we don't want family reunification that brings nearly $5.00 more people for each asylum seeker that's accepted that's the key problem and no putting in process in the work wants to i mean the bad i mean you know when a country does take
a stand on immigration like hungary you know it is turned it's turned into a pariah. when italy wants to do something about it it's turned into a pariah i mean again we talk about this tension about what sovereignty means inside the european union in this election is telling us that that tensions only going to increase because you have to ask the people about these issues and not the whims of the german chancellor go ahead in edinburgh. or think we have to identify the source of the problem the source of the problem is the rule of western hegemony and disrupting mena especially middle east north africa which is producing those flows of refugees or economic migrants or people who are seeking a better life and after all we would all do the same and their positions are sometimes we have to try and see the world through their eyes but the thing europe is a free movement of capital is the view of distorting impact and as a driver of economic migration and it goes back again to the neo liberal economic model which is the very antithesis of democracy and national sovereignty and in tow
countries can control the flow of capital going out of their countries then they will never be able to pull the controller on economies and meet and have some form of intervention in terms of infrastructure in terms of providing jobs public works programs especially in a frame of economic recession so again when it comes to the roots of neo liberalism and how it works to distort economies across europe and throughout the world and the wealth of the northern hemisphere peter we must recognize is predicated on the poverty of the southern hemisphere and so until we address that imbalance these global economic imbalances will always have problems with migration coming into utah and coming to the wealthier parts of the planet so we can't control these problems until we address the drives not the pool factors but the drive the push factors and that goes back to the free movement of capital ok well let's go back to paris i mean what is the next step for the european union after this election i mean is it just something that they're going to ignore and just keep keep their
fingers crossed that the they can continue their on their merry path. here because again you know this this deficit of democracy i think is building in tension and if there isn't if these issues are not addressed the way individuals and individual countries is it's only going to get worse for the european union and the the belief in the european union i mean for god's sake what's going on with briggs that last 30 seconds to paris go ahead. we need to have a change of course i mean the what you were mentioning before is here the problem is not the 5 people. in the world perceive the problem is what we do with what precisely what the how do we finance it how do we find ways. to make it. work these are the questions we have not how we protect ourselves some people from this how because. people's perfectly right they mean the problems that these guys there were because we made them poor so we collectively made them poor so they're coming there will be coming so they probably what do we do our social model i know
you've got you the 1st time we're going to. be with you going on as we were going. so far we did not solve our problems you make us much worse than we were ok that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guess in brussels paris and in edinburgh and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.c. next time and remember. facebook and google started with a great idea and great ideals unfortunately there was also a very dark side. they are constructing a profile of you and that profile is real it's detailed and it never goes away turns out that google is manipulating your opinions from the very 1st character
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