tv Worlds Apart RT June 9, 2019 10:30pm-11:00pm EDT
it's always a pleasure seeing you in russia thank you for your time and your hope for the river now judging from your recent interviews one of the most popular words in your vocabulary is hypocrisy univox with almost every time you are asked about hungary's relations with china this is russia with the e.u. itself is he really so prevalent in your line of work. well actually if you look at. politics recently especially during the. of the european parliament elections you will see a big big portion of hypocrisy political correctness and the fortunes of double standards and this specially when it comes to cooperation with china comes to cooperation the real russia and when it comes to internal issues of the european union as well sometimes you do have the feeling that some smaller member states. the same things some of the braised in this this is really something that we have to change that's very vocal and it comes to debate about the future of the union we
want to take part in these debates in very actively. again now the last time i heard you mention that when it was in relation to. central and eastern european countries willingness to do business with china and you made the point that bigger countries like germany and france are far ahead in the game and yet for some reason they seem to be rather displeased about other countries to catch up how do you interpret that kind of criticism is the competition is it an effort to exert control is it something else. making business with china is pretty beneficial for everyone because the chinese companies are getting stronger and stronger. chinese investors. are. countries technological upgrading no question about it i mean the old. laws from looking for cheap labor knowledge base all of the changes regarding global economy. by eastern
companies as well at least as much as by western companies and if you look at the figures you know figures they are not lying especially when it comes to trade and the economy the 11. countries have a share. 11 countries 9.9 percent when it comes to the china trade and. the 5 countries making the biggest business for china are of course of western european countries by germany which we have no problem i mean we why why do you think they have a problem with you know. they always criticize us for business just for their heart of criticism for the pressure off. chinese investors in their countries but you know what i'm telling you is that there are 16 the major investments by chinese companies in hungary 11016 are. sold the
american german subsidiaries in hungary immediately became chinese investments so what we can do for how we know how so the thing is that we are always criticised. the so-called 16 plus one for months but no one raises the same question and the german chancellor and the french president together meet the chinese leadership and so. you know. how do you explain that is that. different tiers different sets of rules for different territorial number one this is double standards and number 2 that as i told you at the beginning making business with china is beneficial they don't like to have us. now the decision making is supposed to be based on consensus which is more than just looking for a compromise or foreign and bargain is actually derived a learned just recently that derives from the latin word for feeling together and
feeling alike in the other many of your interviews you keep saying don't pressure as don't criticize to look at yourself we have to be able to discuss that openly it looks like the old and the new you're somewhat different understanding of do they well unfortunately there have been some debates between the. series on the. we absolutely are against. putting the member states of the european union into 2 different leagues based on the date of accession because we are all equal members of the european union our interest is to make due european union united and strong again the question is how to get there there are 2 basic approaches one approach. should make a brussels strong and in the meantime the member states this concept called like a concept of the united states of europe which we totally reject and oppose our concept is different because it's think that the e.u.
can only be stronger again if the member states are getting stronger and stronger so for us a strong european union must be based on strong member states member states which are proud of their national identity and we stick to the. historic cultural heritage i think this debate this question is particularly evident when it comes to the issue of migration and what strikes me is that i think much of that debate is rooted not only in attitudes towards the present policies but also in the past the e.u. was set up as a project that is specifically aimed at avoiding a certain kind of past germany's past 1st and foremost don't you think that it's perhaps institutionally set up to ignore other countries historic sensibilities you know for us the migration issue is number one a security issue. and number 2 issue for an empty issue but it's also utah you keep talking about civilization you're right and you seem to be very much attached to your definition of hungry as it is or as it used to be yeah well actually if you
would like to maintain unger is a hungary and country and they would like to preserve europe as a european continent and the don't accept the statement that european continent is a christian continent is challenge to read with. the statement to be challenged you know what exactly by the way you mean by that because there is a great degree of diversity within christianity there is a great degree continuing to believe in judaism christianity and islam i mean what what do you mean by saying christian content well for us the christian heritage is very important our country has been a christian one for more than 1000 years the european union was established was established on the basis of a christian the market what is it specifically for us equality of men and women the mutual respect the respect virk the forward progress going to come from performance and such kind of things and do things do valleys and not present
in other religious traditions or in atheism beachy also sometimes oh i don't want to. religions or other of our diversity realisations what i know is that europa was based on these values and these values are definitely the christian values now as you alluded before the don't seem to be troubled of creating an image of a country that is not very welcoming of migrants in fact i think you are consciously trying to create that image but this is definitely not how the germans would like to be seen is this ultimately a conversation about values a conversation about troubled past or some phobias or is it a conversation about power well 1st of all we would like to preserve our right to make a decision on a. between would like to leave to go there and this is number one number 2 we preserve our rights as a super and country to make a decision on our own who would like to allow to enter the territory of our country on whom we do not want to let. the territory or country run it was about the
migration crisis you know there are 400000 illegal migrants marching through our country while eating garbage order showing totally no respect to or rules regulations expectations regarding behavior or public areas of blocking highways and the railroads so you know the younger people had a very clear instruction towards the government not to have these phenomenon the repeated in the future and we have to act accordingly that's why we have built the fence on our border that's why our military and police is there and that's why no illegal migrant was able to enter the territory or a country just said that. people need to have the right of determining what kind of country they want to be but some people would respond to that when the you are joining the european union you're already committed to a certain type of future to a certain type of country and to a certain set of values what would you say to that but actually when you become
a member of the european union then by definition you exercise part of your running together. with the european union and it's obvious you know putting pressure on the member states to change their identity or to allow people to the territorial given country whom they do not want to a low this is not a european value now following the recent success of the elections the. president of your country had a very interesting statement to make he said that gave us the task of stopping immigration all across europe and i think that seems like a very broad interpretation of he is monday in. it's argued that the germans or somebody else should not tell they can gary and who should live in their countries don't you think that they can guarantee you should not speak for the germans i think illegal migration should be stopped. if you were in the results you'll see
that in countries where there are more than 2 parties which is $27.00. support almost 53 percent number 2 is the polish law and justice party who received almost 46 percent then the. people there disagree and. the italian so the top 4 parties having a very strong legal. agenda illegal migration had a very serious impact on the entire european union look at the figure since 2015 there are of 33 major terrorist attacks. taking place in the european union committed by persons read the migratory background killing more than 300 people or you look at these which were created in the western european societies you see that they pose a security risk and they culture risk as well because you know i mean such kind of decisions that the symbols of christian faith should be taken from public institutions is is really. serious but i think other religions also face similar
pressure is on for example there is a pressure off downplaying islamics and i don't know i don't know about any islam country. of the muslim faith was forced to take from any kind of. places but anyway you know when it comes to let's say migration in order to address demography. labor market challenges i think that must be left as a national competence with all the member states we do not need any kind of migration when it comes to be. allowed the germans and others to make that decision for them i mean you know we've never judged them. you know prime minister was talking about stopping. illegal migration you know i mean if a country i mean if we have to leave it doesn't. to make a decision how you would like to address. your challenges this think that.
for 5 years we have been under enormous pressure. to act according to our friends and. people from. even the legally i think it's one thing to rail against the establishment it's another thing to offer an alternative if your party is now still. voting bloc within the european parliament you are part of the establishment is that going to change after. there is a very serious debate. is still forming the biggest group. should go forward now the status quo. it was enough leaders of the people's party and the socialist party came together behind closed doors and made some deals and. you were also part of. this is over
because the. decrees in the way that. the question of the rise which. biggest parties should. our position is. the various. political spectrum and. peoples party. so we'll see how this. plays. and we take part in the debate. which way the sport a group should go in the future mr let us take a very short break now but it will be back in just a few moments statement. financial
welcome back to worlds apart about hungary's foreign affairs minister peter c.r. the minister the current government has a blossoming relationship with the trumpet ministration the you've publicly praised it many times for its focus on national interest and it's all well and good until you have competing interests when push comes to shove do you think the trumpet administration would be more receptive to hungriest national interest for example the e.u. has been so far but actually one president elected that's was kind of a fresh air and european politics leader of the united states of america 1st and that gave us the chance to. position hungary 1st and you know we base our foreign policy on the principle of mutual respect so we respect the national interest of others but we expect others to respect the national interest of ours as
well that was not the case with the former u.s. administration live let's talk about it because i think one potential bone of contention between the u.s. and the americans is your and i just supplies for the time being you're getting much of your natural gas from russia by ukraine but the americans obviously are very eager to replace that or at least supplement that supplies which are more expensive and all of the you have guaranteed how is it in hungary's national interest to replace something that's cheaper and more reliable something that's more expensive and still tamiya is because many of those fields and all of that peroration and yet the situation is even. more simple because currently hungary is a country. which is one looked as no access to any kind of port and the country made its home by building the pipelines to the border but we are surrounded by countries who have not completed their home was just give you 2 ideas number one. is still not building the ports in crook number 2
there was a gas explored discovered on the rumanian territorial black sea or the right of exploitation is. which is an american company and the wind the beaches in austria they have not made their final investment decision yet to exploit the current is there we were told in effect you've been very complimentary of both of those projects i would totally agree with you on the if you had operational and you were very eager to see them moving ahead in fact david corn and i think he is the. on a number of occasions that hungry a must that versified center just supplies would be happy to do so but there's no physical of course. what can i do well i mean that's that's still ongoing i think the remaining unfilled at least is still ended the discussion but my point to you is why is it not ok for brussels to tell you what hungry must do and why is it ok
for washington to floor their american ambassador to tell you what you must do you only talk to do americans very openly and very honestly. the american ambassador in budapest respects very much i tell him the thing is that physically we cannot diversify why because. because you or your company and the austrians have not made their final investment decision in the room so currently there are 4 friends and allies us. rumania and. there we can diversify into future or not but you know he says operate the industry you cannot make promises and plans you need gas for that and if i can buy gas from croatia because there is no construction and if i cannot buy gas from rumania because find the investment this is not me i cannot do anything goes i just continue cooperation there is delays in the us mandated projects made hungry
consider extending agreements with gas from do you see that as a temporary as a kind of band-aid until the freedom gas becomes available or is it something more long term i have to tell you honestly but i mean if the american investor comes to you 6 months down the line and says ok exxon mobil is investing i am going to put the plug on the gas. when it comes to gas supply what matters to us to be safe i mean predictable and to be cheap that's a competition so we have to take care of both strategic and tactical interests as well and you know it's a competition so whichever is the cheap whatever is the source is the cheaper and whatever source is more reliable we. the minister and none of. projects that you mentioned operational yes and yes you already put your. contracts with gas from into question you were considering whether to extend an olive and this is my question has expired i mean there's
a lot of the number of issues has expired because at the end of this year or next year the latest it expires but you made it sound that russia is your. 3rd there were maybe a 2nd safe option if the americans are not there and i'm asking you whether it is fair to russia. well there may be a member so he never ever while you were at a conference i think it was in texas when you when you said that you are eager to diversify if the those of the changes are there but there's a change is a not even put in place why are you discussing them i mean the you said that you need to be safe and stable but that infrastructure does not even exist why us for speaking about that that's why that's why i was i know you're going to the same level with what russia has been supplying to you for decades no one considers on the same level i mean a continuous dialogue with us from this morning i started meeting mr north and i've gone through the negotiating to see your meter we have agreed that mr miller.
the gas supply you need for next year. is already delivered this year and view would be stored in hungary they have already the agreement of next year's supply so we are in continuous negotiations i would like to state here that's what we have agreed so far if you guess from was delivered so i guess from what has been a reliable partner for us but in the meantime we are definitely interested in any kind of possibility for diversification of their area if for example x. and mobil decides to finally in vast in to that the remaining filled you would. excluding and turning back on gas i mean these are calls you and says. i don't care about. calling because we. reject any kind of.
drove us to budapest has never made any kind of struck me so this is number one number 2 you know we i mean hungary and companies have. hungary. when it comes to the tools and these are national interests so if there's an opportunity to buy gas from a different source. competitive price. another situation of this is. the 3rd. and diversifying the. sources exclude each other. service. to see the. operational. 2021 because if this is there some other form of diversification diversification
and they are. still russian them in then i assume it gets done the same level as the freedom gas from the united states. actually. it's a market issue you know that in this day and age particularly the trumpet ministration not everything is the market issue i mean they bring politics into almost everything and putting the energy issue aside the trumpet ministration is pretty open about threatening european companies european institutions with sanctions and undercutting the. full do you think they will ever come a moment when hungry will have to choose freely choose politically in. in brussels and washington well i hope we'll never get in such kind of a position and i tell you why. we have a very open economy small but open economy so already our export of g.d.p. ratio is higher than 85 percent so whatever happens on the international markets determine our national economy performance pretty much 78 percent or export goes to
the european union member states but our number one export market outside of the european union is the united states so any kind of debate. the e.u. us economy and trade and investment cooperation is harmful to us number one investor is germany number 2 investor is the united states and nobody likes choosing between mum and dad but this is the bargain that donut shop sometimes drives and he's very particular about it so when push comes to shove do you feel more aligned do you feel your future and the future hungary's more aligned with the european union the american national. are members of the european union for sure so for our interest is to make european union strong again but i really do believe that if you want to make european union stronger that needs a good cooperation with the united states so i rather instead of making fantasies about the choose i have to concentrate on the successful negotiations between the
u.s. and the european union now we talked about the e.u. is a bit of a lens about smaller countries dealing with china but the top administration is far more hawkish when it comes to corporation of the beijing and they are reframing it from an economic security issue and as a member of nato how much room for maneuver do you think hungry has in dealing with china you know in this regard i'm always very honest with my american friends and counterparts as well i myself supervise intelligence as well as foreign minister of foreign affairs minister and so far. i have not received information as we. would have. obstacles on the way of our economy. of the american intelligence i'm sure the your american heart is. no. evidence is. like trying to whoever else or anyone else. harm or risk our national security. or whatever harms our national
interest security or whatever we reject if you go against. our national interest then we try to cooperate i give you one other example our american colleagues. the president you know they are from china pretty much and they are i'd be goes. heavily present in hungary. to 5 g. infrastructure. because the 2 main. provider a company in hungary contracted them to do so and you know who are those 2 companies. and so the number one german and the number one british telecommunication companies so whenever they come to me. dangers of huawei i usually. go to the germans and the british finally if i may minister for a small country hungary seems to be very successful at playing at the differences
of powers but it seems that those differences are getting a little bit out of hand i wonder what's your broader outlook on the where the world is having i am more concerned or more excited well. we are definitely excited because changes are going on and i'm pretty sure these changes are extremely quick comprehensive and deep and. changes that's why we continuously you know make decisions on economy policy how to take advantage of the changes we as i told you. mutual respect respect others respect respect from others as well and be try to take as many advantage of the changes as it's just possible for the benefit of more people so it's always a pleasure talking to you thank you very much for so much money i encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages i hope to hear again same place same time here and also part.
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