tv Cross Talk RT August 23, 2019 10:30am-11:00am EDT
talking racism i'm joined by my guest in washington she's a republican strategist and consultant also in washington we have remington greg he is the counsel for civil justice and consumer rights at public citizen and in denver we cross the antonio for she is the conservative commentator or across up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it really let me go to you 1st here in washington from my far away perch when i peruse american cable from c.n.n. to m s n b c to fox it's all about racism race is the topic that is talked about all the time is that the most burning issue or is that just a lot of of deflection pivoting virtue signaling because i see this conversation in it's maddening because nothing is ever resolved except 1st smearing people that's not how politics should be run but equally in a country like all countries in the world that have major problems that face them so tell me is it all about racism rina please. well i'll agree with you on the
point that it is maddening it's been a really tough week in washington because it is a burning issue and i don't know that this is a back burner issue that's now come to the forefront only because this road that nancy pelosi had with these 4 young high racial congresswoman that are all democrats i i think it's really come to a head because we have the president united states who jumped in and use that word go back to your country and so there is this sense that we are in a moment that is worse than every every other moment we've been in and i sort of want to push back on that because we've had this racist tone in our politics for a very long time this is nothing new i think what is new is that technology and sort of the influence it has on making the political sphere so accessible just like celebrities are so accessible we get to know everybody every moment every movement and i. the president's words on twitter were particularly impactful for
a large number of americans and we're having it all play out in a very i think very disgusting manner yeah well i you know the twitter doesn't reflect the world public opinion or american it's usually about a small group of people that are triggered and that's what they do for a living i'm really sick and tired of this the twitter chatter to it's not representative by a long shot remington you know someone said to me once a conservative is called a racist when he or she is winning an argument with a liberal how do you react to that well i don't agree with that what i would say is that yes race is coming to the forefront but i think the reason why it's coming to the forefront is people are basically sick and tired of people just all of us just spinning in circles and not talking about the things that we actually should be talking about i agree with are clear race is very race is our original sin and 243 years after the founding of this country 400 years after the 1st settlers came
with slaves in this country we still are you are talking like a already dealing but really of such a let me interject here real quick here i seem to remember that a black american was elected president twice if the united states ok a lot of white people voted for him ok a lot of people that recall deplorable zwei the democrats voted for him so i think we kind of put a little bit this to rest because it's not moving the needle of solving people's problems ok this whole culture of victimization is a dead and ok i know cable makes a lot of money off of it and a lot of pundits that's their job but it doesn't do anybody really any good at the end of the day let's go to denver antonio. your thoughts so far of that about the discussion well you're absolutely right i mean really that laughter and the democrats have is the topic of race absolutely of course that is an important issue . but they use it because for them it's
a winning issue even at the detriment of the actual country and the fact that we're talking about these quote unquote issues which for the most part they're not actually talking about racism i mean we're talking about in the last news cycle we've been talking about everything from the betsy ross flag to the flag that really just talks about the american revolution and the marines who used to fight for that symbol the don't tread on me flag that chris pratt has gotten a lot of flak for that marines and the veteran community has stood up for him in order to protect because they're sick and tired of this culture that says that everything is racist but look at the end the day this is great for the democrats this is great for the last who is very very vocal about making sure that people focus on those types of issues whether it's racism or not and order to keep people from actually unifying they talk about diversity by what about actual unity and unifying the country so that we can actually go into real actual problems that we
have in this america well you read my thoughts to your so far away because now i'm going to go to rename my next question is written down right in front of me why do we have the goal of unity instead of diversity because when i look how diversity is used particularly by the political left all it does is push people away or put people into pigeon holes ok i for 1 am not welcome in the democratic party ok because of the way i look i'm pro-life i'm for the border there's no place for me in their big tent i'm considered an enemy and people with my views are treated as an enemy how did we get to this point. well i think it's really interesting that you bring up your example with bob because most people would think that i'm treated like an enemy in today's republican party and the reality is is that i've been a republican since i was 18 and i've actually never been treated by any member of the republican party badly for my raise i've never been maligned by anybody because of the. skin color and i have never been told i'm not welcome in the republican
party simply because i'm a daughter of immigrants i think probably what's happened right now and i think it's very safe to say that the probability of folks really going further to the fringes is really high right now because what we're doing is we're painting with a broad brush we're looking at people inherently and saying no that person must be this i'm too often perceived to be a democrat because of the color of my skin and the reality is because the democrats' message to indian americans and i don't even like to call myself an indian american because i was born and raised in southern west virginia my mother happened to emigrate from india my dad actually was from uganda but the majority of indian americans as they would be called my my ethnicity if you will people who have come over from those countries are our message too by democrats better than they are by republicans because it's all about identity you must be with us because of the color of your skin and i sort of push back and reject that because where i grew up in the eighty's and ninety's in southern west virginia it was about your
beliefs did you believe in a very unjust america and i'm not even christian i grew up in the bible belt and so i'm just really saddened by this moment where and i really am where everything is is identity politics at the end of the day a winning bet for the democrats because watching the debates here which were really pathetic i mean it was unbelievable the the caliber of people that are on the stage and i'm serious i mean it's mind bogglingly stupid most of the time but you know they're they're actually going this is a blood sport among democrats and they're using identity politics against their own i mean it's it's really quite bizarre go ahead remington i'm going to push back on that i think that when you talk about big tense right now i mean let's talk about there's there are no democrats being pushed out of the democratic party there is a pretty broad tent there and yet there are many many republicans and conservatives who are no longer republicans or conservatives because they are pushed out because the views of the republican party have have swung have turn. so rightward so let's
talk about ideas i think that what we're talking about right now is not just about race and i think that to argue back. now and i want you know we're talking now we're talking about issues of discrimination but how do we wealth inequality and health disparities except when remington before the program you and i to have a lot of agreement about talking about issues here let me go to denver and tony and we we just heard from remington that the the political right is swinging to the right it's no it's the left going to the radical left that's what's really happening here i mean donald trump for all of his failings and there are so many of them ok i could do a month of programs about the failings of donald trump but he's basically. middle of the road a bit of republican i mean there's nothing particularly radical about him except for his rather silly and stupid in self defeating tweets at times go ahead in denver. a lot of pushback i would say but 1st of all i think the president has done
a lot of great stuff for this country but again you like you said it's has nothing to do with politics it's just making america like he said great again and really what it goes down to is the fact that unemployment rate for all people are down we are looking at policies that really have help and impact everybody we're talking about racism here let's talk about the racist policies very far left policies of the democratic party that you know what has actually pushed out a lot of people on the left you talk about abortion where if you know we're talking about racism what about the racism of abortion the policies that focus on african-american communities that are actually declining now compared to other groups because of that policy what about the fact that gun control is a racist policy and has always been a racist policy from the slave codes back and slavery times to black codes to jim crow law it has always been a policy that has kept the people who are oppressed right now oppressed and those who are the oppressors able to control and have power so we're going to actually
talk about racism and for the policies that the law continues to push and continue to advocate for and actually hurts our community it particularly the black community and doesn't keep us in a progression of actual progress ok 20 seconds before i go through that one ok go ahead because you're the only man out on the program i'll give you 30 seconds go ahead go ahead we if we look at the problem is ration and policies across this country there are resigning and discrimination laws both at home and the c.f.p. be we are seeing it continue to push back a rollback of protections for elderly to people for people of color this is not an administration that is trying to do more for for people of color let's be clear about that and yes unemployment is low but it's low for everyone but in fact it's still higher for people of color than white people so when we talk about things that. need to do let's talk about the actual policies ok there's low unemployment
but it's still very very high for people of color what are the causes of that maybe we should think about things like ok we did on that thought we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on racism state party. with this manufactured consensus of the public will. win the ruling classes and protect themselves. with the flaming. lips and be the one percent. we can all middle of the room sick. of the real news.
in a world of big partisan. lot and conspiracies it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smart we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now we're watching closely watching the hawks. in this community and there are people who believe that it's ok to suffer actual food on my table it's really hard there are no jobs and you see that i've got kids that ask and as a parent. i can come up with. arguments and there's a lot of conflict within the game between the teams most of the conflict i would
welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered i'm peter bell to remind you we're discussing racism. ok let's go back to let's go back to renay in washington d.c. i said i sat i wrote up some questions that my producers sent to you and play and some of you replied to them it seems i mean there's a phenomenon bill it's a voluntary authoritarianism where this amazing amount of conformity that is being demanded particularly on the left ok and it when i say voluntary it's there's so very little pushback you know when i look at the quote unquote squad and i'm just using that term it's because it's a media term now i mean if you don't agree with them either it seems to me when i watch these very young aggressive savvy young politicians for a fresh fresh women in congress it seems to me that there are dictating the pet the
pace and the tempo of the democratic party and watching that with like when the green new deal was introduced which is absolute folly i mean to them to a degree that it's hard to comprehend but you had the entire leadership of the democratic party behind a o c and they're all nodding their head is if it was like the red guard i mean that's what i mean by voluntary authoritarianism and i'll go to remington next you know we're a policy guys but that's not policy that's just virtues signaling go ahead. well i think this moment that she has created for the democratic party and i say she's created it because she sort of became his overnight sensation in the media that she made her joe crowley media made her ok that's a look at that's what it's all about i mean and i want to. it's not any fox news's you doing it as well ok not just c.n.n. and embassies knox is doing it as well keep going on you know there's an element to
that there isn't there is an element to that but she is different she looks different she sounds different than a lot of the people that have been elected in recent years and the other women who are younger around her who have been elected rashida. omar and i mean even women like lauren underwood who's little bit more moderate these women are sort of coalescing around her because they believe in this moment of the girl power right because the me too movement was really powerful there was a lot of energy from that and it sort of pushed into this feeling that women need to be everywhere and so there's sort of capitalizing on that and that energy i think really propelled her to a little bit of the celebrity status but frankly what she did for her own congressional district when it came to amazon was disappoint and she has a chief of staff who is very radical and i think she's ill served by him she would be better off not having him because she needs to understand that now that she's there she needs to govern and yes she has dictated the democratic party's agenda to some degree but it's like what trump said yesterday about iran when he was meeting
with the pakistani prime minister he said iran doesn't know what it's doing it's wishy washy it's either here or there it doesn't know and i think that's what today is democratic party is someone who didn't vote for president i feel like i was counting on the democrats to do athol it to put up somebody that could really show trump this is what america's about this is why you don't deserve a 2nd term and they've failed plotly because of all their infighting so whatever happened with the republicans the best thing is that the republicans tend to coalesce and they've all sort of fallen in line behind president trump who is not even a real republican he was a lifelong liberal. some of his policies frankly are left leaning and i think we're at a crisis moment in this country where we're not where we're painting with a broad brush over and over here we call somebody this we call somebody that people are to the fringes and there are a vast majority of americans who are sick of all this ok remington we just heard from reno you know girl power and women need to be everywhere what does that have to do with solving problems for women for example ok again i just there's all this
virtuous signaling it just for me it's just like white noise ok i don't hear anybody trying to solve problems ok and i do appreciate would and only want to say and in denver i mean she did she go through the check boxes of facts verifiable facts ok instead of feeling good about something you know what i don't feel good about politics was i don't learn anything it's not making me sharper it's making me dumber go ahead remington. well i think one thing that really does point out that i agree with is that the there is a new watershed moment that there are people who who look like people in america who are being a representing who are in positions of power that never work and that is a good thing why we talked earlier about unity versus diversity. we all agree i think that that's a pretty good motto because out of our diversity we gain strength when we have a diverse judiciary there are laws our laws are our adjudicated much more fairly
because we have people from different experiences when we have. you have been ramming remains to what are you that it's better the democrats talk about that let me go hang on hang on here hang on here but you know recently the democrats have been talking about packing the supreme court see that completely negates what you're trying to say ok because look at the colleges that work for the democrats let's get rid of it which packed the court because i didn't work for the democrats . you know what your position doesn't make any sense to me let's get back to values in core ideas to hold people and it going again you're going to have. a congressman and presley saying that black voices are. congressman presley saying things like that feeling wants those who are diverse really to think the same way that they think so it's not about diversity when it comes to race really it really should be diversity as well when it comes to different ideas about the left isn't interested in those who think like me or look like me but also think like i do they have to
think the way that they want to think to have black voices be the. black faces like she has said that and that's the problem with that they're not interested in a diversity idea ideas if you're candace owens or if you're someone simply who's not a radical leftist than you are anti-black or you're anti-woman or you're anti elvis you might see even for those who are gay conservatives so that's the problem here and that people. are seeing straight through that that people those people like don't really care about the fact that they're hispanic or that are black or they're or muslim or what have you what they care about is that are you radical leftists are you or modern 3rd wave feminism then you are pro woman but if you're not if you're not for abortion if you're not for gun control or not for all these leftists ideologies then you're not really a feminist you're not really empowered you're not really pro woman and that's wrong ok remmington you want to reply to that go ahead and we're going to yeah yeah we're
lumping all these people together and saying that these are the democrats which just isn't true as i said that no no democrat to modern knowledge has been pushed out of the democratic party because their views were not in line with the party whereas. max max boot bill kristol george conway are no longer part of this party as we know it but i would say that nettie pelosi said very clearly in the midterm election run in your district run the values in your district and a lot of people won because they've they represented the values of their district there are people across this country who ran and who won in arizona and ohio and elsewhere because they represented their constituents so i don't i don't buy this that there's that everyone looks like the squad in the democratic party ok but let's go back go back to when something or i just whatever and jump in go ahead go ahead yeah. well one point remington made is you know people have been pushed out
right max boot and george will for people who know them chose to leave the party and they're now independents people like bill kristol george conway who is married to cali and conway who is a white house adviser and myself people like us we spoke out against president trump when he was a candidate and we have not formally left the party we remain in the party and we remain republicans and some will say in name only but frankly this president gets maybe another 4 years right and that's it i mean he can't he can't. run again given our constitution so after that we're going to have to talk about what we are as a party how do we talk about opportunity for everyone regardless of what zip code you were born in and i think there's a moment right now well we'll get i mean remington to you to your point some of us were sort of pushed out because there have been actively told we're not republicans because we don't support the president but i still remain a republican because i care about the core values of party was founded upon my family was pushed out to uganda there was a genocide there is the i mean was
a dictator who told us to go back to india and my family went to the u.k. my dad was in medical school and came to the us he always loved america as a concept is an idea he came with $80.00 and he died at 74 a very successful man having come up on his own as a polio survivor that's what's great about america because we have these stories every day where people have opportunity come here and build things with their own hands democrats want to share that wealth they want to share it on equally and i reject that i think people if they have the ability they should work for it and there is a government to make up for people who are not able to provide for themselves the poor the sick the hungry the young and the old and that's what it's all about so i'm a republican because i care about the core values of the party we have a very very divisive figure in the oval office i've given him the credit i can and i i applaud him when he does something good and i get mad when i think you and i are in the same boat our democracy we're the same boat though i've never been a member of the republican party and never will be let me go back to denver here
one of the things that i hope all of us here would agree and again i'm kind of pushing back against this idea a false idea of diversity why do we focus on merit you know let the best come to the top you know irrespective of where you come from it is renewable i mean what it amazing story you just told our viewers here you know but that was based on merit not on the color of someone's someone's skin it was about their character and their abilities and they wanted to move forward that's the kind of environment we have to create ok go ahead and denver until now. yeah you know what i had never become a republican. a few years ago when i used to be a democrat voted for a for president obama in 20082012 but it was my own story my own parents who who are grants and their story of the same thing of coming to america because they saw they want to be part of the american dream coming here based on merit you know becoming my mom my mentors a nurse becoming
a nurse because that was what was needed in the ninety's and in the eighty's and climbing up from where she was in africa to where she is today in america because of american values and because of marriage that says that regardless of the color of your skin or where you come from that you can succeed and america all 4 of her children i'm the oldest of her 4 children i am you know currently doing things with you know commentating and my own business but my brother is chemical engineer who works for lockheed martin martin who my sister is a medical doctor so there are a lot of great things that we can do here in america it all know how to sound so you do you believe i'm going to jump in and had an individual do you have the equal i'm going to. run out of time god bless you amazing stories here many thanks to my guests in washington and in denver and thanks to our viewers for watching us here darkie see you next time and remember crosstalk.
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