tv Cross Talk RT November 18, 2019 12:30am-1:01am EST
potence to moscow both in this and communist times and in present day times however 8 ukraine is also of enormous importance to america because not only does washington carve it the industrial and agricultural sector is or ukraine along with its black sea coast lines but american policymakers understand that by depriving the lusher of a close relationship with ukraine this will weaken europe and thereby weaken it was lost in the worlds in show pizza weaver hats ukraine without a close relationship between russia and the ukraine's the americans know that russia will never have the car if we were to in soviet times that is why the americans now have a foothold in ukraine and then not prepared to relinquish even if that means korean hundreds of millions of dollars each year the americans know this shit importance
of it and look at nato planes are not only are they establish a naval presence at odessa but they're also establishing a naval presence at another very important ukrainian called interests in serbia it's on or circle now that just demonstrates why ukraine is us very much importance to america ok but also the people of europe and you can see that if you crane ever joint snakes are then a russia will be compellingly encircles on its western borders ukraine is the missing piece in the jigsaw for america and now it's ok what clinton you know at the same time in him if you going back to these hearings here you are you got the impression that it's the united states that has to prove its bona fide is that it is a good ally of ukraine it's all upside down ok because we all know or anyone that knows something about ukraine know it it's really intensely. erupt number one and number
2 the people of ukraine have been asked about this here ok i mean it seems everything is upside down it's the national security state that needs ukraine for 2 reasons to maintain it to maintain a rationale for its existence and to pointlessly antagonize russia has almost nothing to do with ukraine in a sense nor. well a tough 1st it seemed rather simple to be. reflecting domestic issues obviously if you can present ukraine as a critical ally that's just neglect of ukraine or you know the so-called bullying or. against ukraine or was merely almost a sort of treason so throwing away a critical or strategic ally in order to get an upper hand on the bidens now i do think it through a strong international dimension obviously so for older office in 2002 and then to his book at a summit this was to mean the americans are pushing very hard to get. ukraine and
georgia into nato but the europeans resisted knowing that yes this would be a strategic advantage or an expansion towards russia which would which could be a strategic blunder yeah well the consequences would have to be bared by the europeans. this one has the creates a huge conflict with russia so i do think that this effort to. change the language in the sense of the beginning to bring ukraine gradual in bird flu reflects something much deeper than merely this community gets trump you know but what's really interesting here demon is that if you if you kind of step back and you look at what's going on under the new president alinsky he is making steps mall steps but making steps to resolve the issue in the dharm bass it seems to me the american official them would be very happy with that they don't want to see peace as a matter they like to see this tension because they think it is a. pediment to russia and to russia of course the people of the donbass don't
simply exist in their minds they have no agency actually do have a lot of agency in it and over 13000 people have been killed most of them in the dark about so they know what this is all about here that dovetails into something that trump of said ever since the campaign in resolving issues and i think that minsky and trumps each other is partners in possibly doing that not this side show that we're seeing go ahead well you are right when you said the 13000 people died and gone bust but you wouldn't know about or ahead from the hearings you know i read the hearings and they see just inaccurate information george of the state department says that ukraine isn't. just it's not just an abuse of power by the president but the harm he inflicted on ukraine a critical ally are the constant assault by russian forces more than $13000.00 ukrainians have died on your cranium soil defending their territorial integrity
against the russian aggression fiction well so again 1000 people were killed this is the general number of people killed in eastern ukraine during the studio that started in 2014 a lot of these people are civilians and live in donetsk and lugansk killed by the there was no russian aviation there was all the ukrainian aviation they were killed by boards and misty can't live up to the congress when he says that they died defending don't answer russian aggression this is just brute jury in fact you know he'll know if i get a little i don't want so i did push back but i mean this is a growing we're going to look at it when he says that and said this many times i mean and let me dress this it totally markets in london i mean these these hearings and they talk about american foreign policy i had the strong impression that they were living in a time capsule i think they used to the most regular normative cold war my. anguage
and i'm going to agree with the me here i mean they may have they have their lenses see russia and ukraine through a cold war a cold war a view in that it's not what reality is all about they can't escape their ideological obsession here go ahead marcus. locator are you service hearings in america and in particular here is concerned in american foreign policy but do i attach much importance i don't know any i don't know. what american politicians have to say or indeed american civil servants or planners etc no i don't i don't believe in reality politics and real politics is brutal politics you know the americans cared nothing about 13000 people haven't died in the dark past him others will have been hunted starts and they care nothing when many but 1000000 vietnamese civilians died because of the american aggression all that matters to american
policy makers is ensuring that the russia of today which because of latin music losing is a superpower again is limited in its power and the americans ideally want to do right you losses status today in the world as a resurgent great power and to do that the americans understand as they have since the early 99 ceased when the credit became independence that depriving the close relationship of ukraine who really limits russia and through and some power on the international scene i met a pizza nato aircraft operate in song q you could reach moscow in serious danger 20 minutes absolute worst of what hans like. let me go to things that are going to land here one of the things i think interesting and they know once talked about here is the. silence came when as a peace candidate and then take russian candidate everybody knows that you know in
one overwhelmingly 7270 something to present. the meet the behavior of these bureaucrats is derailing that possibility make they want ukraine to stay in a state of war or conflict or agitation with russia they don't want to see the end of conflict ok that's undermining his entire agenda here and one minute before we go to break well obviously they they they see the something of this conflict this beneficial in terms well for 2 reasons one militarizing ukraine that's this war against russia and pushing it further out of europe and the arms of the voters still on the most of the voters don't see it that way in ukraine we know that yes but but it depends of course who is interesting or whether or not this is really in america's interest or because by by pushing russia out of europe it's seeking now it's new partnerships in asia so i think. this is a bit of
a strategic divide in the united states as well about what they should focus on the nothink you write and to some extent this represents something from the past because russia it's not the soviet union or the russian empire its missions and ability to dominate europe person the whole continent is ludicrous these days so it is but they are creating a new alliance which should be concerned for for the united states and that is putting russia and china are going to be a little bit ago to a short break here but you know ukraine is in talks with china with its role in belt and this is something the american senators and the political class don't seem to be aware of and it's very important we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion and some real news stay with us. you know world big partisan movie. and conspiracy it's time to wake up
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. welcome back across the uk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok let's switch gears here damon let me go to you 1st here. i've been watching the western media coverage of the military coup in libya but almost nobody says a coup. it's it's kind of like another one of these 2014 you know just went away morale is just went away. they don't report on the fact that everything that
is done has been done to force them out and the political events afterwards were against their own constitution against every single law when it comes to executive authority and actually legislative authority in bolivia but everyone in media is oblivious to it as a matter fact it's bipartisan it's a good thing but it doesn't advance democracy there it's only tree thank you for making that very good parallel with ukraine because when they're talking about believing in washington or when they're talking about ukraine my impression is that these are blind people a part of them is aggressive bot of them is less aggressive but they all don't understand what they're talking about like i read that you know in the family or coach which criticized. coverage of the ukrainian conflict they still say that john mcwhorter each was pro russian and against ukraine and that membership in nato or the you know unocal which was not against it was for
a compromise and he had to flee because he feared for his life he could be healed by the same reason with more on this you know they keep saying vote do regular very curious you know them for some reason he had to go to mexico and for some reason he didn't take the plane that well more or less said that if i took an american plane i would most likely land in one ton him or his words which unfortunately it may be true you know let me go let me go to marcus in london i mean the parallels here that we have been is weyler are really amazing except they didn't succeed in venezuela but you see the playbook is exactly the same playbook you have these fake n.g.o.s here these fake human rights groups see you have election irregularities which nobody has proven at all there's been no evidence of it from the organization of american states they just said it ok and everybody just takes it for granted ok and at the same time the people who are taking control of bolivia have
a deplorable record of racism against the indigenous people where are western liberals defending these people they're not there marcus go ahead. yes i read the newspaper coverage in the paper paid off the american engineer it's clear let's be more specific the cia engineer's coup against president morales and it made my stomach turn because conservative and liberal use papers painted a composer letelier deceptive picture all events in bolivia a betrayed president morales as almost too radical as someone who falsifies election results and that is no surprise let me tell you this between 2007 i was a writer on tribune and the editorial line of the tribune about time was one of jubilation at how latin america had largely speaking i let it socialist governments which wanted to really gain their political economic and cultural independence from
america and who also wanted to forge close relations with russia now in 2007 i was the right it at the success of socialist parties across latin america i was a little bit more pessimistic or realistic because my opinion was that one day the american empire will shreiking back america merican knows the u.s. knows latin america like i know my at chance the american the americans are playing the long game in latin america they have penetrated into the institution in free country or even decades on that council and they know this peter that yes they could be times when anti american government sconce of power but the americans penetrated the establishment with those ok you know it let's markets one thing interesting thing you again i absolutely agree with you what you've said and let me turn to going here. marcus's description is perfect on the mark but he never used
one word that's important democracy ok that's what's being denied here yeah and that tends to be the main visionaire is this could a tie or is the democratic revolution you know which is a new word which so to some extent legitimizes. and i guess you could have a reasonable discussion of whether or not. not the rule of law would allow for marlice to stand for a 4th term and you can even discuss this issue of work whether or not there has been any. irregularities with the vote however a lot of this arguments can become to some extent pointless because marla c. said ok well we can have another election we can have another election committee and we can also have it all under international supervision the un can come and go through the organization of american states was his mistake that was the recommendation by the american or all the recommendations of the organization of american states so essentially he said deliberately everything but but what
happened while you had the military forcing him to go and pulling away all this political allies and the military kicking him out and while it's a and then you have this senator. in the us who says. i am the new president and i guess it is the democratic revolution were just the rule of law and worse democracy because on his platform he put everything in place . not just big back to ukraine but those to some extent what happened in the world which made this a deal really elections. are going to save the american states in believe you played the same with all as the e.u. in ukraine it pretended to be a mediator and in fact it was supporting one of the sides of the court and the e.u. made it possible for them i don't regime to oust the legally elected president you know they just didn't all of them commitments you know the. in ukraine the same
story here when good moral discreet when the commander in chief of the army william carr a man made the following statement we suggest to the president that he resign his mandate elo in the pacific asian or believe it that could come from general pinochet in 1950 there was of the same language but what is very important you made a very good comparison with venezuela you know the united states has been accusing been in store all of a 1000000000 for 8 to russia to china or keep president morales in bolivia did not ask for aid from russia and china he's economic rather the record is very good even his opponents the indigenous speaker seed that small and medium enterprises flutist believe it was the poorest country in latin america he raised their want of people out of work so you cannot make the same because asians against you mr we make against one dural but asked for help and more others didn't and what happened to him so the same story as with colonel qaddafi in libya he did everything he needed
everything in the asked the west asked him to do he designed and what happened to him more or less did not ask russia and china for help and what happened to him so next time when the united states and they're going to say if an american states all the e.u. when they ask someone else stop asking russia and china and others you know stop asking them for 8 that person will think twice before for when that advice lurkers will go back to you in london. is absolutely right i mean poverty extreme poverty was tackled with great success under morale as well i really do worry because 1st of all you have the military it's always dodgy when the military is calling the shots and then you have this political opposition that is intensely racist there are even fascistic backgrounds of some of these care. very well documented please
go go to the gray zone for example i really worry about the people of bolivia particularly the people that are most vulnerable that make the move to head over the last decade are they going to fight to keep it or are we going to see some kind of dirty war that's probably the worst case scenario go ahead marcus in london ok so you know as well as i do about the lightning deaf schools that america trains armed and supported it ultimately latin america during the 1980s all that up to keep socialism outlasts in america and secure the influence out of latin america and i would argue that is the case today that the americans will you know pay what really turns my stomach is how british and american common states is talk about how in chiba venezuela and bolivia there are human rights abuses well excuse me one of the key subsets is of socialism in latin america as was the case of soviet communism has been education health and welfare that is
a human rights many of the health systems for example the health system in cheaper the least the health systems in the western world stand in but of course american and british concept is do not care about the well settled we don't every people in latin america as they don't care about you don't we will say that all people in the ukraine what they care about is ensuring that we know our country can have influence in their backyard which is how they regard latin america rest and they do not want socialist scotland's so it's an attempt to sting here in america so if i go to glenn here i mean if you do have these you know you have instability intentional instability and in venezuela we have it now with bolivia. what you could see is. migration north i mean this is in a domestic issue in the united states are you you can't have it both ways ok you
can say you want to call the shots in latin america and not. experience the consequences there of. you know it's against similarities in europe you can't to topple all this governments in north africa and middle east unless you can have a migrant crisis in the same applies in the united states obviously. i guess and so that point will be more of a concern than bolivia. but i guess i don't want to add as well that the presentation of the media of this find a quiet awareness is not going to william because well when when these protesters are approaching protest what are the government they are peaceful protests are just their problem ocracy but as soon as his toppled in a coup and dos loyal to him begin to protest this and come on constitutional move a lot of power they become violent mobs and again going to dine we don't know don't we go then this is largely what happened in ukraine i saw that remember closely what once rejected or the association agreement with the e.u.
you had all this protest and they were hailed by the even the americans you know giving a cookie is that they were pro democracy a democratic revolution taking over government buildings as soon as they had toppled in a book which i'm sometimes but not just the but when they had taken power and you saw the same happening in east thing we actually don't recognize the legitimacy of this post government there were villains mobs they want it didn't have an agency they were just a tool of kremlin and in this kind of legitimize going to russia over here where they got your reasoning here is that me again we've all stressed your directly and indirectly mainstream corporate media plays its wall in these power plays here that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for. watching this here are to see an extent and remember.
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middle for the troops the time is now we're watching closely watching the hawks. the tense situation in venezuela is still all over the news the problem in venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented but that socialism has been played only implement from the inside venezuela things are different we're going to announce sanctions against petroleum to venezuela associated. famously have a supplement goes. down person that sort of data to see on the path to the mass of the moment the focus of the whose story isn't new nixon told in henry kissinger to tell him that it would not be tolerated in latin america an alternative economic and social system could take hold and therefore the policy
would be to make the chilean economy scream so once in the making the economy of venezuela scream. the headlines this hour u.s. democratic presidential candidate slammed on trump's decision to pardon american service members convicted of war crimes we looked at how barack obama also whitewashed atrocities when he was in office also to come we visit the border between denmark and sweden where checks have been imposed after bombings and shootings in copenhagen and iran accuses the west of the populous city for supporting mass protest sparked by a hike in fuel prices. as i said to the people of iran almost a year and a half ago the united states is with you i don't know how people will not be taken advantage of by outsiders but economic pressure of our nation.