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and what can he do to prevent any of the cool politicians threatening power and privilege like rubin did ever again in this country that'll be a high high priority for him because corbin and and the labor party became of the alphabet they were going to take away the kind of privilege of his wealth a way from fighting its goal is the whole background to media matters the easy thing for them to do is to implement found the changes we've been to have a new commission to make the seats even even smaller in areas that labor could do better in i mean that's that's probably on the tods but he may be thinking of other things he may be thinking of changing the voting system so you have to go for various stages of id to actually be able to vote and that would harm labor in particular ways it's perhaps the party for him and for the people who backed him in the people who gave the money for his campaign they never want to see the fret of a social democratic left wing labor party again john. famously the bullingdon club
reputedly used to send their members around oxford to burning a 50 pound note in front of the homeless is that what britain is seriously looking forward to that kind of future i think unfortunately i mean i'm from yorkshire and we have like you know large mining communities securely where we literally for you know the police the politicised police force in the street and now we're seeing those very same people suddenly voting for the conservatives. the one kind of area to come for that i've drawn the bricks it now becomes completely the conservative creation because you send all grieve johnson opposes an inquiry into what you call it politicized. event famously in the miners' strike why did all the mining towns where did they all go tory is it racism anti immigrant something there is a i think we have to be only so we have to call it what it is and. there's a
a large appeal to bigotry in the conservative. kind of stylee in the way that they've sort of position themselves to the rival on the money as you go to these areas of become older and older young people have had to leave the service because they want there is work so you see you are also looking at a demographic in those areas younger people in britain not just people of diversity but in general have moved into the cities where the opportunities are ok because older people are old enough to know this is that sure if you really destroyed the manufacturing industries in those areas yes although some of them i'm going to start the strike was 19 eighty-four. that there were people there who are now out to my age to go to the school of the soldier in the miners' strike it was a long time ago. it's it's going to be very tricky the conservatives have merely used to blame immigrants and blame people and blame everybody but themselves for the situation people find they promised them that if
you do this one thing if you get press it done everything will be great they probably still do loads of spending on health and so on they're really good at promising and they really will be good at lying they've practiced it and for the next 4 possibly 5 years they will be telling people that they've done a lot for them is just that people in those areas will not get to see any of it john people did say that young people. just proportionately supported corbin what happened to the youth quake in all those constituencies an advantage of the move to the cities i think is still there i mean my experience of doorstep and i just doorstep the main killer marching for christie m.p. chris piece and also in sheffield for the m.p. louise hay are my experiences that seem kind of what he's saying a shift away from class politics and more into our generational divide now the young people didn't turn out to be. they didn't but equally and i don't i don't
think that they're conservative supporters either and i think there's always that idea that people move to the political rise they get older in the up more well to protect but i don't think it really holds up i think in the longer the conservative party in real trouble because their appeal is almost exclusively to older voters now it's a baby boomers. interested in my wife's grandfather died last week and he was older than 3 any vote to remain in the he was part of the generation that fought the war and set up the post-war consensus which the conservatives are now going to rip it to pieces but he was the generation that tried to you know establish peace in europe the baby boomers have rejected that in some ways they betrayed both their parents on their children you down here featuring in new film the dirty war in the n.h.s. we're going to actually speak to john pilger soon on the program. what you expect to happen to the national health service i should say the polls did show they trusted the people of this county just boris johnson more than german corporately and they did well as film couldn't be shown because of perjury let's campaign the
fact that hundreds and then last few months files and bit of extra people have died above the already high level deaths of i.c. and getting bits of the n.h.s. will be blamed for that by the conservatives they'll say it's not fit for purpose it doesn't work. they have wanted to find ways of privatizing more of it they will try to difficile where people are told that well he is still available for you but the services were actually being provided by private contractors who baby to be dying in england and feel it year for the last 4 years in for more weight as wizard in england and wales no where else in europe in scotland the infant mortality rate used to be higher in 2014 it was the same as england wales since then they've had a dramatic fall because the scottish government have raised money and away some taxes and have employed more with wives and then a whole series of poverty policies to get in from all the other to down to a little bit quantifiable that some of the poor people in the mining towns are
trish they were labelled a tory they will die oh earlier than expected on life expectancy in britain is still below the level it was in to in 2014 we are the only country in europe with a lower life expectancy the then we are straight we have the widest inequality in all of europe and we've done where we are normal is we've done what the most unequal countries in the o.e.c.d. do these are chile russia the united states israel all of them the most unequal countries nearly cd the strong man he says follow me and i will make everything better there's a kind of ever bought i will kind of predictability about this sort of the question is when the strongman doesn't deliver. do people as you say jet that or do they measure find these scapegoats in a new lies labor about 235. that's a terrible situation to be back to in terms of popularity when clement attlee lost the election yes but we have a disaster coming not
a disaster or anything as bad as the 2nd world war but it is going to be a disaster for well i'm sure johnson will say we're a disaster torie great opportunity he will he will say that but just remember what happened was the election after 9045 anything is possible what this photo to show. this vote yes you'll vote was outside of the confidence limits of the 100 friends and people polled a turd a week before this was this was not on the cards john you've been very vocally for your record pro-labor why don't more rock stars cultural icons with the honorable exceptions why why don't more of them coming out for labor is it because they are part of a culturally financially will feel it themselves may now be a great fan of the kind of social theorist marc fisher who's talked about the kind of slow comes elation of the future this idea that we've stopped trying to progress society forward not a lot of people of a century become very kind of comfortable and ultimately comes down to to careerism
you know people who you know by the very nature of the fact that you write songs means that you have some sort of empathy for the world around you and that you look at you look at all the you know the situation in politics everything that happens in the world it's not something that you can kind of sort of disengage from yourself and i can only write about my own personal feelings and i have to say that many of my contemporaries in the music game you find that they often leftwing and socialists and labor supporters join the p.b. when they haven't got any money and as soon as they meet one of them this begin to seek an intellectual justification for their own greed during the factory years you got a great kind of social awakening bombs like the specials in the class rose to the challenge of conference and government equally satire became very good in the eighty's you know right across the art scene in films you know the candle movies and stuff so i would hold it up the artistic community and rise to the challenge however. i mean some of them as well as i do why i had the misfortune to spend this election not the one before with. you know
a man who wrote about street fighting man in the sixty's and 2017 was praying for a tory victory so that he didn't lose his money to coping with tax policy president i don't like thank you after the break the chairman of the welsh conservatives and labor m.p. for 30 years kate hoey on the party's apparent betrayal of the english working class all the more coming up about to going underground. i'm going to fulfill the repeated promises apologise to the people and come out to be you know weeds or butts to. be a. pretty.
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draw his gun from. the heartbreak the kids. he can. do what they were doing here won't do it we'll see what he will do with us and that gives a lot to follow it and try to get you both i'm very. my posse did so poorly but i think that was self-inflicted by having run a dreadful dreadful campaign and i think the price that we should also argue for about possible safety i think we need to properly develop. reich's. argument with regard to. the benefits. to the moment so i think we need to deliver
on the national health service and i think it's important that we ensure default power to the street it's just the 1st time. no new year soften the majority in northern ireland and i think we're going to have to ensure that we can get the devolved executive working again i think it's particularly important that we fight hard for the union. we're not friends with their result means that every household mandates to move forward in scotland so we can and have. the time the sessler end of course fully. sooner rather than later. say the situation is distributed absolutely. you know spain has. to choose recognize it or soulful suresh raina dominated barcelona catalonia we really do need to resort to you know of surveillance or access.
to. people be improved a position where shifts which is not respect in the democrats in mind we'll be having discussions over the weekend and into next week. welcome back to the 1st half we heard from revenue makers from an oxford university is danny dorling now progress of veteran labor m.p. kate hoey who decided enough was enough and then out she wouldn't be running on thursday after 30 years on the reasons labor lost kate thanks for coming on so labor paying the price for betraying the working class of this country i think that's a fair summing up of what i think labor has after the 2017 election where they did quite well with a new leader jeremy corbin and they promised that they would honor the referendum and then labor m.p.'s that the next 2 years delaying frustrating trying to stop it happening and they have not paid the price and unfortunately they paid the price for some very good labor m.p.'s who've who where are wanting to honor the
referendum on ok but is it a weakness of course or is it foreign shot of. chatter bricks it's a greek as strong as they reputedly fourscore been you've got to have a say are i mean and member upon 30 years and then every single vote there was which was anti european union last treaty has been treaty all of those where we had a vote jeremy was in the same lobby as well as i was and i think he is a genuine believer in leaving the e.u. and all the neoliberal policies of the e.u. but he has when he became leader of the party he had a very very prove to me in. parliamentary party and he had a shadow cabinet who gradually moved the policy towards being remade and then knowing that they quite couldn't quite become a man party with germany corgan having to say he would be neutral but you can't go into an election which is a bricks at election and say you're going to neutral ok with some recall when then
go where you want to because he's got bricks it fortunately delivers it he's always favored been seen to favor as unitary or the moment merely a referendum no way already talking about a referendum in defiance of westminster voting. more money for the only chance for a conservative verdict i mean he's obviously not going to benefit from that in the sense of still being leader because he will go but you know i think what we need to think about now is we've got a conservative government with a majority government can i get it done we have now our conservative m.p.'s representing labor held areas working class constituencies who are going to see their surgeries every week people with problems that i've seen all my life in an inner city area uprising benefit problems employment problems housing problems and some of those tory m.p.'s are not your kind of standard version of what some people in labor think are tory m.p.'s they are going to be putting a lot of pressure on the prime minister to really genuinely and stare at it because
they know that if boris johnson doesn't deliver on a lot of these issues they'll be out at the next election so i think it could be a very interesting time for the conservative party going to have to look at actually their policies really meaning that they're working towards an end to inequality and funding health service and let's not just going to be good enough for labor to say as emily thornberry tried to do over the tories are all just right wing. extremists because that is actually being incredibly rude about it labor voters who switched to conservatives for all sorts of reasons yes it isn't lived. vote not progressive bricks it voted for in these 4 mining areas it is an anti immigrant prick for all i think that's just nonsense and that that's just the kind of almost slur i think that people who are really in have wanted to argue that anyone who voted leave was somehow some kind of right wing extremist who is a racist and
a fascist and all of that is just obviously not not true people want yes control of immigration and do not want to see complete free movement because we know that that leads to a reduction in workers' wages and big corporations being able to play off workers from one country against another but no one is saying that we're not going to have immigration but what i want to see is a fair immigration system treats the whole world in the same way why should the $27.00 european union countries have this special relationship you know where we should be an independent country deciding who we want to come in reasons for them coming in treat everybody equally when they're here and a lot of people who are here to be treated properly will them as we said the 52 percent of the votes at the election as you know were cast for remain parties in you've said your country comes before your party when you step down and people are talking about the end of the united kingdom scotland is talking about secession and
the northern ireland of course many people seem a good friday agreement clearly states that a change in voting pattern more or perception of the desires of the north requires a real referendum on irish unity well on scotland 1st in scotland was the manifesto was to stop bracks it for them in that doesn't work for them now and are they really going to go into an independent referendum and say that you know they're going to rejoin the the opinion we will see you know the early stages are absolutely they were i mean the government does not have to give a referendum at this stage and i see no reason why there will be another there will be one will argue as well i mean they can't they can't have a referendum unless parliament. votes to give it to them in a very. well i mean you know they've made it very clear the conservatives and labor that they were rushing in to give another referendum as far as arlen concern i think you have to be very careful in the realizing that the people who voted for the alliance party many of them are disillusioned remain unionists they are not
going to tomorrow in a referendum vote for united ireland i am absolutely certain and i know northern ireland very well that there is still a very big majority to stay a part of the united kingdom because people in northern ireland can have their irish passport or their british passport they can have it both ways they like being british a lot of them they like being irish a lot of them and i don't think that any of the results yesterday in faction for invokes went darling and it went to went to the s.-t. o.-p. the d.p. votes went die in as well i'm naturally going to system the system in northern ireland the whole peace process and the way the elections are free and needs to be looked at because it's ridiculous that one party can bring the whole assembly down and even if it goes back again tomorrow in 6 months time another party can simply say we're walking out and then the whole thing kalina was no way to run a democracy what about media bias in this election do you think you'll stop seeing what you in other cities of often call the prove remaining. media
is that the end of the world definitely having breakfast on the line it was there was a kind of tweets last night which i thought were very good of people saying that it must be awful for all these media people and some of the particular sky news and even the b.b.c. who are having to put forward these results knowing that they're absolutely furious that by the way the results of gone it's a london centric media it's a media many of them never get out of london and they live in a little bubble i knew we were going to lose there was going to lose when you talk to people completely different and labor has to remember that it should be representing people with decent working class value. you know respect for people who want to order and wanting to help have security of the country and not this kind of liberal anything those attitude it is here in london in the capital city and they've lost their lost the trust of never voters and i don't have to win that back if they're ever going to come back i have this big big defeat ok thank you ok
. well i'm now joined via skype by the chairman of the welsh conservatives or davis or davis thanks for being ongoing on the ground what have you made of the result that it's a welcome reception in many respects we've now got a working majority in parliament so that we can move forward. on a more localized basis here where it's an absolute united because we won quite a number of new seats giving us a total of 14 members of parliament here and we're yet all know all those new seats i mean you did one support remain is it clear now the tory success in wales was anti immigrant feeling bricks it that's what working class wales in bridgend that's what they care about by trying to round where i was last week and visited all our sort of talk it seats i went to bridgend and the message on the doorstep was quite clear that they wanted this brick city issue resolved they want to get delivered they wanted to move on they want to investment in our public services and. the
prime minister has promised that and we will deliver it yeah but even you didn't think that you were going to win blithe valley presumably i mean like a 3rd of all well shoulder involved a-t. a quarter i think in blood valley and the tories have been associated with the stereo and yet you've taken by the way but no you're absolutely right i'm astounded by the success that we've had in places such as dr ali. it again you know it's this kind of commitment to to to live in bricks and getting the country out of the stalemate that it's been easier to me chairman of the welsh conservatives people talking about northern ireland splitting off scot. and splitting off wales will be part of the united kingdom presumably there's no there's no appetite here at all in wales for independence and moving away from the union i think it's the last time i heard any. polling on that i think it was something around well and 10 percent and
of course you know gala very well one of the most beautiful places in the united kingdom expecting lots of rich foreign buy as a property around there is bars drugs and opens up a globalised britain no i don't think that's going to happen it will go it hasn't got that me bridge properties it has a it has a number of very nice properties but it is as you rightly say is the 1st area of outstanding natural beauty in the u.k. and we need to protect that why do you think that many conservatives didn't support boris johnson strategy all across this bracks and period he even had to throw out so many people from the tory party in effect i think. well i think you know as far as the tory as long as far as the parliamentary party was because and there were people and people that were my colleagues who were absolutely dedicated to remaining within the european union in fact speaking about gallery i can say
that. number of people we look we didn't win go this time around simply because a number of people who work at his wanted to remain in the european union and lent their vote to labor of course a lot of banks in the city of london still support remain do you think any breaks a deal will guarantee financial services access to the european union when britain leaves the european union well that's that's something which i'm not i'm not a financial expert by any means all i can say is that in terms of financial world we've we've seen today how the pound has risen. against the dollar and the euro so i think i think the city of london will be will be content now that we have a plan a way forward and i feel quite sure that that would be to be to our great advantage and as for the welsh people a lot of blame during this campaign for welsh devolved labor leadership in wales do
you think it's going to be harder for the tories to blame devolve power for things like 25 percent of parents on low incomes in wales now frequently skipping meals. as far as evolution is concerned. we. have a devolved parliament now in wales and that will remain we supported as well as conservatives we want to make it work we want to make it work well and for you know i don't know you're aware of it but for every pound spent on a person in england one pound 20 spent on on people in wales and so you know the westminster government really does invest well in the people whereas it's the way it's spent by the government here in ways which is the problem and that's the real issue and that's what we need to change and that's why now in the forthcoming. elections that we'll have for the assembly we'll be looking to to hopefully get
some gains on the back of the the westminster election hope to get some gains in the in the works in parliament oh david thank you my pleasure thank you at 7 the show will be back on monday to talk post brecht's and chlorinated chicken with oscar nominated director of supersize me morgan spurlock until then keep in touch via social media and subscribe to going on the ground you can. join me every thursday on the all excitement short and i'll be speaking to us from the world of politics sports business i'm showbusiness i'll see that.
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