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35 this is highly misleading. if you knock out the percentage of the vote labor got around 32 percent that he's more than he got in 20152010 in 19879928 simply knocks at the number of them he says that he got in the house of commons and that is a reflection of our rather strange electoral system and the fact that labor in 2015 lost around 50 and he. went out without a center says wait wait ok well ok that's why we have this program here i agree with you no no less my friend this is a humiliation and again you know having so many parts of the country traditionally going labor went to the other side that is something quite spectacular absolutely and this is the key point to understand because what has
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happened is that labor has lost ground heavily in its working class northern english midlands heartlands whereas he has held on surprisingly well in the sort of solves and middle class yeah fluent consumer belts which he won over in the 1990 s. under tony blair and the reason is rex's i mean i've seen endless explanation. out this if there is no question at all about this working class england has never like you they voted against it when push and joined in 1975 in the referendum then they've been consistently hostile they made it absolutely clear that they were hostile in the 2016 referendum when they voted against it and they felt bitterly. angry and very betrayed by their party the labor party which went into
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this election taking what was in effect a remain the issue we can analyze that in more detail and seemingly priority. than english but there is a but this this begs the question glenn this begs the question is the labor party representative of leave working people because it seems to me what's happening we'll talk about it in the 2nd half of the program is that the labor party that the perception many people of the labor party it is it is for affluent people for professional people from the southern part of the country i mean in a remarkable way the tories are taking the mantle of the middle class which is remarkable because that is not been the perception of the tories through time now and that's also because. all of that was often seen a serving the elites by being a bit of a globalist project if you want while. opening the borders or for wages for
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the demographic shifts or so often see in putting more pressure a downward pressure on the salaries of the working class so obviously this put also corbin in a difficult position because from his ideological perspective looking after the working man he had taken a position with more harsh and critical of their opinion so representing labor he obviously had to switch his position a bit if. i wanted to really kind of begs a question because you know i think that's one of the and i think gerry corbin's a very good person don't get me wrong here but in the beach switches to dealing here i mean he he never really made it clear how he felt about brags that he had one leg and one k. open another campaign i mean it was it is very and i think that's part of part of the messaging problem that the labor had and of course the focus on corbin is a person which the mainstream. there were 5 ok i think portman just wasn't
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consistent you know so he lost the voters who supported it while. there was a substantial part of labor voters like that you know at the last election and they didn't gain the new ones you know because he wasn't consistent you know if mr corbett if you are against you know what israel is doing to palestinians you should be against our the western. adventures you know basically meet your adventures against what they're doing in syria against what they're doing in ukraine he failed to do it and it's interesting you know i think i know why so many people find it is supported actually this is another affair and the one in the english and that's why we're calling for this program breakthrough 2.0 and then why that they have that feeling because a lot of europeans have a feeling that whatever they decide whatever they vote things will go on yes they
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did you know the way they rejected their european constitution they had that has been treaty you know they basically tried to almost put it to switch point europe on confrontation of course with russia other politicians like that were installed in place and the reaction of the press you know what in the united states and in britain the reaction of the globalist press they don't understand anything you know the guardian says boris johnson just threw out the most talented liberal members of his government who get rid of williamson who said that you know russian military ships the north sea for exercise there's an act of congressional again good very good riddance. just like not if this was a referendum on the european union i guess the best example of how labor was was on this official position on brics it which was they would 1st go back to the e.u. and then on the negotiate the best possible. deal they could for another break and
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then they would put it to a referendum in which they would argue against a deal the past and instead the call for the sting of that you. know they go to bed let's lay out a job in here in london i just put it perfectly ok go is the perfect description wanting it both ways all the time ok go ahead jump in alex exactly correct and this is where we have to look at what has been happening to the labor party over the period of its existence in the early 1980 s. 80 percent of people who voted labor were working class manual labor laborers working people today that percentage has fallen to 40 percent and that was even before this last election we're looking for an even more it has become a middle class liberal party. middle class liberal people like
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the e.u. working class people in britain don't what happened in this election is that cool good who's been trying to reach out again towards the working class labor base that was already eroding away found himself boxed in by a party whose leadership whose parliamentary representation and whose membership is overwhelmingly middle class and pro e.u. and crow remain so he was stuck with his impossible policy which glen deeds and has described very well which is of course a remain whole a-c. it was intended to keep britain in the e.u. and of course working class voters saw right through that that make them very skeptical not just about corbin himself he has always been referred to as a weak leader and an indecisive and frankly no longer
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a straight on as leader which is how you mean proceed for but he also made them very skeptical about his entire left wing program you know him when it during this whole 3 year process here. have done multiple programs on it and i've always pointed out that both parties suffered through it but with this election it's the tories capitalized on the indecision of the labor party and now the civil war within the labor party goes on for blast as we speak a lot there but you know i have nothing against middle class liberal people but the reaction of the globalist press you know the wall street journal why should britain stay on the euro i'm waiting for this going course if if britain leaves the e.u. then there is a fear of sclerosis. china holds unprecedented economic and political
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challenges to the e.u. which is now maybe we can do so by the u.k. departure which challenges you know where is the school or also has come from where i'm with the absolute 1st came from these wonderful talent at libor all members who are boris johnson throughout and 2nd what is the threat from china does china want to invade europe you know you know they're providing cheap goods you know they're providing cheap labor good russia make any threatening moves well russia grange to have good relations with europe russia has done everything possible we made all of these huge concessions in the end of the 8 years in the ninety's you know taken all the troops whatever you are sure and we didn't get anything for it and now they are right that britain should stay because we are a threat ok 25 seconds go. further and i was just going to say that. this need to clean up this possible civil war in the liberal party labor party sorry i think that's very similar to what they need in the america but instead of
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doing cleanup there just look towards a ruckus pearcey i think what you going to see here in labor now they're going to explain it as always corbin you know is a common is he hates britain and you know he's leading a cult instead of actually addressing the claim you don't just introduce the 2nd half of the program because that's a regular title i want to thank alexandria curious for joining us we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news stayed with. the world is driven by a dream shaped by the person of those great. snow
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dares thinks. we dare to ask. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics small business i'm show business i'll see that. what politicians do something. they put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president or injury. or somehow want to.
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have to go on to be press this is like the full story in the morning can't be good but i'm interested always in the waters in the house. first sydney. you know world of big partisan movies lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. in the troubled 970. a group of killers rampage through parts of northern ireland that was coordinated
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loyalist attacks to take the only population tens of thousands were forced to flee their homes and what was striking to put these attacks was that the or you see the police actually took part in the attacks so instead of preventing it they were active participants in the burning of the streets in belfast i think more than a 100 innocent civilians were. as the review can seniors and we found out more i was surprised about the extent and the take rates which the collusion was involved in some of those cases the killers would lead to be named said to the no we going. to do very very top i think if he. wants to. call the taishan you. give the go ahead.
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welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. and now to london where we're joined by marcus papadopoulos he's the editor of politics 1st magazine marcus thank you for joining us today will be in the 1st part of the program we were talking about the outcome of the british general election for the u.k. and now i'd like to a kind of extrapolate outward to other parts of the world to the united states and to europe. you know when brags that in 2016 it was easy for a lot of people to say in the elites in you all the smart people to look down on us that's just a one off ok then donald trump but watches though one off and then we have this election it's not a one off what trend if you had
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a broad brush would you say is. unfolding before us right now go ahead mark. well i should 1st of all say. germany call when i submit so you offer to leave your change for brits and former renationalise in their own ways to renationalise it and it's easy to ensure in that britain would no longer participate in an american led was of intervention however mr corbyn made a catastrophic shirt's he took mistake by performing a huge on gross it because by having performed a u. turn on bret's it it meant that he lost the labor harlan's and without the late harlan's the midlands of england north of england no labor later peter can ever hope to win a general election so it's not so much the conservatives who want to selection it's
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labor who lost it that's out there with a fair characterization and that will come he say about well the lesson to be learns is respect the will of the public you do not do what mr coben did syria pays the parliamentary labor party i'd labor m.p.'s who are blairites or brown once you listen to the public if we have a look at donald trump in 2016 he listens to the concerns legitimate concerns of the working class in america the blue collar workers and in turn they voted for him and that was a very important factor in mr transfix trip but if we turn to jeremy corbyn even though mr corbin is personally opposed to the european union he basically dislikes the european union he did not listen to the will of the british public and that is
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will also about catastrophic defeat and finally peter this is incredible mr corbett went after the migrants. it's at the expense of the labor department but it's not just political suicide yeah that's. on a scale that i personally ringback never saw and you call it so the moral of the story is this listen to the voice of the of the copy ok. and that and don't listen to the elites here ok glenn again going into this general election if you look at the polls i mean this is what we do for a living ok we're we're political talking heads here so we have to look at the polls the polls were grossly wrong again now this is a bill to end bias we see it time and time again where this builtin bias from the elites they want to put their thumb on the scale i mean jeremy corbyn the way he
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was treated i think what he had a very muddled presentation i think he hurt himself i think you hurt the party really bad but as a person i think he's of a wonderful person here but you could see that the media was putting its thumb on the scale against him though it doesn't always work out the same way the media hates trump and the more they hate him it seems the more he has popularity grows here the role of the elites here. well i think the polling by the way i think it serves 2 purposes one is to measure of course a lot of people think but also intended to influence people so i learned to be a bit more skeptical at least over the last few years but i also think that what the commonality across the board is. people are more or less the pulse that are consistent as poor people want change they. break with the status quo and for that reason that's kind of the term in the election of the u.s. britain and i think that what's unfortunate for corbin is that he has marcus point
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out correctly i think he did offer like real change and moreover he's been very consistent spacing the same things since the 1980 s. so there was a lot of trust in him and i think you know the fact that he was able to go against elites and still people liked him i think that was you know that was what was his strength but this breaks a thing obviously. it will indeed get got to him because he. turned on all of his key points so i you know. in this impending brigs it because it boris johnson does have the majority he will get his plan through parliament what is the message from the european union because over this entire process as they did this ridiculous waltz with the rest of me where they got the better of her this is going to be very different now what is the message that the european union takes from the. european union or. the
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water jordan here they said. the are afraid that they're less regulated you. threat to them so that means they will insist that broadly. environmental labor that that's. going to go to markets i mean is leave the. european union but. anyway ok i mean again these elites don't get the message ok because they're looking after it leaked interests and not the average voter how many more elections and referenda do we have to go through before they wake up and understand that go ahead marcus. well here again union knots and going to show any respect to the will of the british public when the ordinary british man and woman in june 6016 so leave the european union and this is no surprise but one thing is just and we've or stance and
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massive victory in this general election will be delivered the u.k. we will leave here again unique by the science 1st of january when c 20 and you know political parties groups and should learn from the advocates and consent the european union has shown to the british public yet and i would single out the liberal democrat party because the liberal democrat party when since the election not just not saying that they want a 2nd referendum but they were saying that in their manifesto they once or obstacle 59 a little not democratic exactly right but i would get all that i wanted to i want to change gears here want to change gears here we have of course the impeachment process is going forward in the united states against donald trump and guess who shows up in the in the oval office. of foreign ministers love it off
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and a storm i can't preface that word storm but a storm in the media as a result here what's this all about well it's just incredible you know they're american thinker an american publication and our friend paul robinson in his blog and russian added to it they were just you know surprised to say the least by the reaction from the so-called liberals let me just call it you know an apple ball our favorite apart from anything else presidents don't usually meet with 40 minutes that's why is this unusual or have been bestowed on this one well goal to the borg or russian and in see the pictures are barmah meet in love you know. and john bolton and many others ok let me give us. even though i mentioned the making of a quote from the washington post quote tromso welcoming russia's top diplomat to the oval office is one of his most brazen moves yet brazen. i think this is
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a broader perspective this is very much an ongoing process which is intensified which is criminalizing diplomacy and diplomacy is supposed to be defined the art and the practice of negotiating within the gauging with foreign powers. including on pleasant people you know it's not just allies it's also your other a serious about i think after the since specially after the cold war this idea that you shouldn't talk to other serious in other words you know you only meet with your friends this is taking more more strength and it's very much based on this idea of meeting with someone is a reward which will be exploited demises yeah and this is of course this is very dangerous for relations with russia because of the common position everyone needs to fall into if they want to have any political legitimacy as you have to go as hard against russia as possible so that if it's against your interests we're going to go back when we go back to the markets in london one of the reasons why i wanted to talk about this because 1st of all the media just gets its hair on fire which is kind of fun to watch but i mean doesn't move the needle in the right direction here
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but you have the resistance movement. that will not let up on trump when it comes to russia when. his administration that is impose more sanctions and what not they will bomb ever did but juxtaposition is very important you have people like mccrone in france that actually are saying it's about time to start moving forward with a western relationship with russia this is really just turned into a a logjam ok because the americans are so obsessed or i should say american elites are go ahead marcus. peter i couldn't care less how american major culprit so a lot of roughs visits to america all that matters is that no matter how dire the relationship is between america and russia and it really is dire it is essential for the world's there is solace for us dialogue between i wasn't also even at the
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height of the cold war russia's greatest ever diplomat and. regularly visits it's america that is something to be uprooted there must be dialogue today between russia and america but there's a there's a problem there was a free legitimate demands of the americans that americans were not given to any of them number one and nato with jools its presence on russia's western border number 2 that nato puts insert light in that it will not expand into ukraine moldova or georgia and firstly that the americans will dismantle their missile defense system or their missile shield in eastern europe they are the 3 core lawson demands and trouble and no one asked it is such sesa if there is to be a successor next year will not give in to any of those demands so we are in now for an indefinite period of bitter tension between america and watch i think it's fair
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to say we're rapidly running out of time gentlemen here but i think we'll end on this very pessimistic note as i think u.s. russia relations have been spoiled for at least a generation so i don't even think we have to look at incremental changes i gentlemen that's all the time we have here many many many thanks and i guess here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember brussels. the world is driven by. shaped.
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