tv Cross Talk RT December 16, 2019 11:00pm-11:31pm EST
hour with a closer look at today's headline news. international. if you're watching in the u.k. . where all things are considered. it is relatively easy to explain the tory spectacular victory in the general election for the elites it was about. but for the voters it was all about indeed it was brags that $2.00 joe it is time to deliver and. goes to washington.
prost talking some real news i'm joined by my us going to use and he is a professor at the higher school of economics as well as author of the nikkei of western civilization and we surgeons of russia we also have dimitri bobbitt she's a political analyst and editor at interest me internet media project and in london we crossed alexander macarius he's a writer on legal affairs as well as editor in chief of the duran dot com hi gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let's go to london alexander the dust is settling ok about this general election the blow out of the labor is spectacular and we have to go all the way back to 1035 i suppose the the civil war within the labor party has already started and now we have a majority for the tories something we haven't seen since margaret found not sure what does this tell us about the electorate because a week ago if you were to tell me working class people have never voted tory ever
in their whole life or millennia old voting for the 1st time they all voted or many of them majority of them voted tory what is going on this is a earthquake in british politics it was an earthquake in british politics but essential to qualify and i've seen many places this claim about labor having its worst results since $9935.00 this is highly misleading ok if you look at the percentage of the vote labor goes around $32.00 said that he's more than he got in 20152010 in 19879928 simply knocks at the number of them he says that he got in the house of commons and that is a reflection of a rather strange electoral system and the fact that labor in 2000. 15
lost around 50 and he. went out without a center says maybe. that's why we have this program here i agree with you no no less my friend this is a humiliation and again you know having so many parts of the country traditionally going labor went to the other side that is something quite spectacular absolutely and this is the key point to understand because what has happened is that labor has lost ground heavily in its working class northern english midlands heartlands whereas he has held on surprisingly well in the sort of solved and middle class yeah fluent consumer belts which he won over in the 99th is under tony blair and the reason is rex's i mean i've seen endless explanation as me out this if there is no question at all about this
working class england has never liked you they voted against it when bush and joined in 175 in the referendum then they've been consistently hostile they made it absolutely clear that they were hostile in the 2016 referendum when they voted against it and they feel bitterly angry and very betrayed by their party the labor party which went into this election taking what was in effect a remained position we can analyze that in more detail and seemingly prioritising southern england but there is a but there's over this begs the question glenn this big sequester is the labor party representative of leave working people because it seems to me what's happening what are the medical in the 2nd half of the program is that the lay.
party the the perception many people of the labor party is it is for affluent people for professional people from the southern part of the country i mean in a remarkable way the tories are taking the mantle of the middle class which is remarkable because that is not been the perception of the tories through time now and that's also because. all of the e.u. was often seen as serving the elites by being a bit of a globalist project if you want while. opening the borders or for wages for the demographic shifts are also often see in putting more pressure a downward pressure on the salaries of the working class so obviously this put also corbin in a difficult position because from his ideological perspective looking after the working man he had taken a position with more harsh and critical of their opinion so representing labor he obviously had to switch his position a bit if. i wanted to but really kind of begs a question because you know i think that's one of the and i think gerry cordons
a very good person don't get me wrong here but in the beach switches to dealing here i mean he he never really made it clear how he felt about brags that he had one leg in one camp and another campaign i mean it was it is very and i think that's part of part of the messaging problem the labor had and of course the focus is a person which the mainstream media vilified ok well i think portman just wasn't consistent you know so he laid off the ball to us who supported it while. there was a substantial part of labor voters like that you know at the last election and they didn't gain the new once because he wasn't consistent you know if mr corbett if you are against you know what it was doing to the stimulus you should be against all of that western. adventurous you know basically we did create ranges. against what
they're doing in syria against what they're doing in ukraine he failed to do it and it's interesting you know i think i know why so many people find that if supported actually this is another if and the one in the english i thought that's why we're calling for this program breaks and to point them why they have that feeling because a lot of europeans have a feeling that whatever they decide whatever they vote things will go on yes they did you know the way they rejected the european constitution they had that has been treaty you know they basically try to put it to which point you reported could print ation of course with russia are the politicians who were installed in place and the reaction of the press you know bought in the united states and in britain the reaction of the globalist press they don't understand anything you know the guardian says boris johnson just threw out the most talented liberal member still for his government who get rid of williamson who said that you know russian
military ships to the north sea for exercise there's an act of aggression against good riddance. you know just like not if this was a referendum on the european union i guess the best example of how lost labor was was on this official position on brics it which was they would 1st go back to the e.u. and then on the negotiate the best possible deal they could for another break and then they would put it to a referendum in which they would argue against the deal the past and instead the call for staying in the e.u. i mean. i know they do it's good let's let out a job in here in london i just put it perfectly ok perfect description you're ok wanting it both ways all the time ok go ahead jump in alex exactly correct and this is where we have to look at was has been happening to the labor party over the period of its existence in the early 980 s. . 80 percent of people who voted labor were working class manual labor
laborers working people today that percentage has fallen to 40 percent and that was even before this last election we're looking for an even more it has become a middle class liberal party middle class liberal people like the e.u. working class people in britain don't what happened in this election is that called good who's been trying to reach out again towards the working class labor base that was already eroding away found himself boxed in by a party whose leadership whose parliamentary representation and whose membership is overwhelmingly middle class and pro e.u. and crow remain so he was stuck with this impossible policy which glen deeds
and has described very well which is of course in remain policy it was intended to keep britain in the e.u. and of course working class voters saw right through that that make them very skeptical not just about corbett himself you know has always been referred to as a weak leader and an indecisive and frankly no longer a straight on as leader which is how you mean proceed for but he also made them very skeptical about his entire left wing program you know him and when it during this whole 3 year process here. have done multiple programs on it and i've always pointed out that both parties suffered through it but with the selection. it's the tories capitalized on the indecision of the labor party and now the civil war
within the labor party goes on full blast as we speak to look at but you know i have nothing against middle class liberal people but the reaction of the globalist press you know the wall street journal why should britain stayed waiting for this going course if britain leaves the e.u. then there is the fear of sclerosis china. unprecedented economic and political challenges to the e.u. which is now maybe we can to departure which is the school or also has come from somewhere they. first came from these wonderful he wanted libral members who boris johnson threw out and 2nd what is the threat from china does china want to invade europe you know they're providing cheap goods you know they're providing cheap labor did rush it make any well russia grange to have good relations with
europe russia has done everything possible we've made all of these huge concessions in there and over the 8 years in the ninety's you know taken all the troops what are they going to shore and we didn't get anything for it and now they write that britain should stay because we are a threat ok 25 seconds. going to save. this need to clean up this possible civil war in the liberal party labor party and i think that's very similar to what they need in the america but instead of doing cleanup there just look towards a rush i think what we're going to see here in labor now they're going to explain it all will score when you know it's a common is. britain and you know he's leading a cult instead of actually have. just introduced the 2nd half of the program because they were going to i don't want to think alexander here is for joining us we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion and some real news day.
i had a spiritual experience. and i had the little girl that died in the fire cynthia collins. a 5 year old son or looking for a kidney reaching. long 54 years old but 21 years on good role model. for a crime i didn't commit. my own stupidity business a dozen red blue blue simple nobody would listen. you know your. trial was pretty much a farce. they are i have them guilty before the trial. nobody.
caught. god. not people who aren't at all. approved of jimmy hasn't forgiven himself for something. i knew she was there and i knew exactly what i was doing. people like. sometimes there's no explanation. welcome back to cross talk we're all things considered i'm sure much we're discussing some real news. and. now to london where we're joined by marcus papadopoulos he's the editor of politics 1st magazine markets thank you for joining us today. in the 1st part of
the program we were talking about the outcome of the british general election for the u.k. and now i'd like to a kind of extrapolate outward to other parts of the world to the united states and to europe. you know when brags that in 2016 it was easy for a lot of people to say in the elites in all the smart people to look down on us that's just a one off ok then donald trump watches no one off and then we have this election it's not a one off what trend if you had a broad brush would you say is. unfolding before us right now go ahead marcus. well i should 1st of all say. germany call when i submit so you offer to leave your change for brits and former renationalise in their own ways to renationalise in energy to ensure in that britain would no longer participate in american led wars of intervention however mr corbyn made
a catastrophic shirt's he chick mistake by performing a huge on gross it because by having performed a u. turn on bret's it it meant that he lost the labor harlan's and without the late harlan's the midlands of england north of england no labor late peter can ever hope to win a general election so it's not so much the conservatives who won this election it's labor who lost it that's out there with a fair characterization and that will come we say about well the lesson to be learns is respect the will of the public so you do not do what mr coben did syria pays the parliamentary labor party i'd labor m.p.'s who are blairites or brown once you listen to the public if we have a look at donald trump in 2016 here listens to the concerns legitimate
concerns of the working class in america the blue collar workers and in turn they voted for him and that was a very important factor in mr transfix trip but if we turn to gerry corbett even though mr corbyn is personally opposed to the european union he basically dislikes the european union he did not listen to the will of the british public and that is will the rules about catastrophic defeat and finally peter this is incredible mr corbett went after them. so it's at the expense of the label. but it's not just political suicide yeah that's. on a scale that i never thought you'd call it so the moral of the story is this listen to the voice of the popular. and don't listen to the
elites here ok you know glenn again going into this general election if you look at the polls i mean this is what we do for a living ok we're we're political talking heads here so we have to look at the polls the polls were grossly wrong again now this is a bill to end bias we see it time and time again where this builtin bias from the elites they want to put their thumb on the scale i mean jeremy corbyn the way he was treated i think what he had a very muddled presentation i think he heard himself i think you heard the party really bad but as a person i think he's of a wonderful person here but you could see that the media was putting its thumb on the scale against him though it doesn't always work out the same way the media hates trump and the more they hate him it seems the more he has popularity grows here the role of the elites here well i think the polling by the way i think it serves 2 purposes one is to measure of course a lot of people think but also intended to influence people so. learn to be
a bit more skeptical at least over the last few years but i also think that what the what the commonality across the board is. people are more or less the pulse that are consistent as poor people want change they. break with the status quo and for that reason that's kind of the term in the election in the us britain and i think that what's unfortunate for corbin is that he has marcus pointed out correctly i think he did offer like real change and moreover has been very consistent spacing the same things that the 9 committees. so there was a lot of trust in him and i think you know the fact that he was able to go against elites and still people liked him i think that was you know that was what was his strength but this breaks a thing obviously you didn't get to him because he. turned on all of his key points so i you know. in this impending
brigs it because it boris johnson does have a majority he will get his plan through parliament what is the message from the european union because over this entire process as they did this ridiculous waltz with the rest of me where they got the better of her this is going to be very different now what is the message that the european union tales from the. european union or. the water jordan here they say. the are afraid that they're less regulated you would pull your thread to them so that means they will insist that the u.k. broadly confirms environmental labor standards so it's really. didn't make sense. to go to markets i mean is leave the european union. in any way ok i mean again these elite still get the message ok because they're looking
after it lead interest not the average voter how many more elections and referenda do we have to go through before they wake up and understand that go ahead marcus. well here again union knots and going to show any respect to the will of the british public when the ordinary british man and woman in june 6016 so leave the european union and this is no surprise but one thing is just and we've or stance and massive victory in this general election. will be to fit the u.k. we were leave the european union by the 1st 1st of january 28th wednesday and you know political parties groups and should learn from the our goods and consent the european union has shown to the british public yes and i would stand by the liberal democrat party because the liberal democrat party went into the election not just
not saying but they want a 2nd referendum but they were saying that in their manifesto they want to refer obstacle $59.00 a little more democratic exactly right but i would get all that i wanted to i want to change gears here want to change gears here we have of course the impeachment process is going forward in the united states against donald trump and guess who shows up in the in the oval office or. foreign ministers love it off and a storm i can't preface that word storm but a storm in the media as a result here what's this all about well it's just incredible you know that medical thinker an american publication and our friend paul robinson and his borger russian added to it they were just you know surprised to say the least by the reaction from the so-called liberals let me just call it you know an apple ball our favorite apart from anything else presidents don't usually meet with 40 minutes that's why
is this unusual or have been bestowed on this one well goal to the borg or russian and can see the pictures. meet in love you know. and john bolton and many others can't let me give. me even though i imagine the making of a quote from the washington post quote trumps welcoming russia's top diplomat to the oval office is one of his most brazen moves yet brazen well i think this is a broader this is very much an ongoing process which is intensified which is criminalizing diplomacy diplomacy is supposed to be defined here the art and the practice of negotiating within the gaging with foreign powers. included unpleasant people in all it's not just allies it's also your other a serious about i think after the since specially after the cold war this idea that the shouldn't talk to other serious in other words you know you only meet with your friends this is taking more more strength and it's very much based on this idea of
meeting with someone is a reward which will be exploited demises yeah and this is of course this is very dangerous for relations with russia because of the common position everyone needs to fall into if they want to have any political legitimacy as you have to go as hard against russia as possible so that if it's against your interests we're going to go back when we go back to the markets in london one of the reasons why i want to talk about this 1st of all the media just gets its hair on fire which is kind of fun to watch but i mean doesn't move the needle in the right direction here but you have the resistance movement. that will not let up on trump when it comes to russia when. his administration that is impose more sanctions and what not they will bomb ever did but juxtaposition is very important you have people like mccrone in france that actually are saying it's about time to start moving forward with a western relationship with russia this is really just turned into
a logjam ok because the americans are so obsessed or i should say american elites are go ahead marcus. peter i couldn't care less how american major culprit so a lot of roughs visits to america all that matters is that no matter how dire the relationship is between america and russia and it really is dire it is essential for the well as there is solace for us dialogue between i wasn't at all scared even at the height of the cold war russia's greatest ever diplomatic answer regularly visits america that is something to be uprooted there must be dialogue today between russia and america but there's a there's a problem there was a free legitimate demands of the americans that americans were not given to any of them number one that nato draws its presence on russia's western border number 2 that it's a nato puts insert light in that it will not expand into ukraine moldova or georgia
and firstly that the americans will dismantle their missile defense system or their missile shield was indecent year they are the 3 core lawson demands and trouble and no one asked it is such sesa if this would be a success the next year will not give in to any of those demands so we are in now for an indefinite period or bitter tension between america and watch i think it's fair to say we're rapidly running out of time gentlemen here but i think we'll end on this very pessimistic note as i think u.s. russia relations have been spoiled for at least a generation so i don't even think we have to look at incremental changes i gentlemen that's all the time we have here many many many thanks and i guess here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t.c. you next time and remember brussels.
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