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through the public leadership and the partnership to provide a little bit of difference if the quality of life and the patient care within the community or speciality clinics but - >> i understand the frustration. >> thank you commissioner sanchez commissioner pating. >> thank you very much first of all, i want to congratulate and thank the directors director barbara garcia this is a beautiful and eloquent proposal and once you get over the shock of living in san francisco this proposal makes rarnl sense and provides expensive care in the systems leverages dollars and increases coverage it is very eloquent thank you for that with that said, before we hear and make the final decision next
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month the proposal might be strengthened in two ways i will declare with chair showing you and commissioner singer it would be nice to run numbers an others worse case scenarios the bottom market drives done the u.s. market and you know facebook moves out of town and a bunch of bad things what's the worse case scenario of assurance i think that is one thing the second thing goes to the strength of this proposal i think this proposal is thank
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you supervisor
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i have this discussion about whether the employee wellness fund is or not part of the modernization in the communication i got the sense that actually, it is part of the modernization if you knew then what he know could i is part of the expectation of this work so you - it is an ad on this respect in terms of the presentation of modernization i thought that was what it was about. >> it is their funded differently but it is part of the holistic proposal we're giving to you i think that commissioner pating said it it relies on the shared responsibility that that component of the shared responsibility we're adding here but it is just the fund that is a little bit different. >> so in follow-up i'd like to
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understand that in terms of of then how you're the employer sector of our interviews looked at this even if were dollars or trying to develop it i royals it will take a year but in expect what you're looking at and how that might work and also how that actually then benefits the patient or the city yes. >> in terms of reduction of or improvement in health and restriction in costs for what you're thinking of in terms of it there is actually no quantify summon maybe something you want to put if we need to come back with more data or have it as an element and prepared for a different budget year i think we
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need a little bit more detail on i mean at least more detail how we're intending to flush this out. >> commissioner taylor-mcghee. >> to my understanding so for is that we will have the what's that called the bridge. >> coverage. >> and the other options extension the two options for the residents of san francisco under a certain threshold and the employee wellness fund as set up right now rely on the employee contributions to be part of that program it is only assessable to those who reside in san francisco.
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>> so the employer employee wellness fund is a general fund program it one of the criteria we thought we might consider for eligibility for reimbursements for the expenditures would be those who credibility to the city onyx it on behalf of the individuals who are using services not just offering by using wellness services not just having them offered we participated in dr. chow question is p is representation from the employees and employers and kougsal and hopefully others who help us design a program that does many things that reviews the literature on employee wellness that look at the overall health status of city and the health improvements
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that we can realign the health services to encourage the workplace wellness that achieves the goals that we would also include outcomes and tracking miles an hour we wouldn't just provide the funds for a yoga teacher once a month but how many people are participating and measuring the improvements and health and use the tools it exist at the national level and report on those outcomes to. >> i get confused right now so if the employer is basing san francisco but thirty percent of the employees actually reside in san francisco do all the employees quality. >> that is determined by the process we would determine who would be eligible how we will kwcht and track and measure. >> can -
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>> i'm sorry. >> but right now you know as it stands helping san francisco what about straightforward like if you have to add that element to it you know like i think yeah. it becomes a little bit more confusing you know you know and to separate the two programs would just make it cleaner. >> think about the fact we provide public health promotion and wellness in the public distinction all the time we've done that; right? this is targeting to a specific population within the city who have contributed and the employers that contributed mills and millions of dollars this was a changing chance to look at the employees and think about how we can port the employers that are that concludes my report us in the project to provide a service that we always provide to promotion wellness throughout
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the city but it is really targeting a specific group we believe has contributed to the overall health of the employers for the employees for many years in this program so within an attempt to do the kind of work and help promotions within the public health of the department and target employee health within the employers. >> i think so that part but you know the promotion programs radio the beneficiaries. >> citywide. >> citywide in the neighborhood city but counties so if employees don't reside here i don't know how do we measure that that is confusing to me. >> that might be one of the options it only for the employers we have to think about that as we develop. >> i then. >> it will other questions that come up are the equality why the
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employees so that's why i just want to look at that. >> why don't we make sense to develop exactly what we would like to do and then bring it back it doesn't i mean it would be just the way that they came across the other parts of modernization act with so thoughtful fully done and studied so specific in their recommendations and this seems you know in contrast not as bumentd adopt a contrast things we approve things this earnestly or an appendage better on its own the i'm not convinced we stay connected to the modernization act we've not made
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the hard case it is connected to the modernization act. >> maybe i can recommend you allow us to explore that project and bring back that program before the process. >> i'm thinking within the resolution and as part of the modernization idea that that could be and you need to thrills what levels of authority you need to go and develop a program for approval rather than see whether we can have a program i'll go one step forward and see if if so that is feasible. >> the plan in 2017. >> things like that you have a timeframe but the way it is written it says create we're expecting your coming up with a
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concrete proposal that is harder than what we are thinking from what i see the concept you've articulated that encourages employers inform really gives those in the employer situations where we are talking about smaller employers and so we know the larger are using it could be positive and helpful but that the word create seems to make that more concrete than perhaps your at right away right now i think that's what i'm hearing. >> my wish we wouldn't jet son but step back from authorizing i think we're authorizing the dollars expenditure and the full commitment there are many reasons to add this to the ordinance both as supporting the employers and the role of healthy employee population i
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think the mayors weighed in on wanting to see that as an component we think that it may need a little bit of work we're supportive of the policy and then i would assume the working group or your leadership will meet with a series of decisions a plan and funding decision that may come back to us at a later point. >> a policy there are fundamental questions that i understand the dynamics of what you described with those employers paying for health care and dollars something we're giving back to them their seeing come their way i'm partially incentive and prashl not in your society for better or worse we operate for employers tend to be
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responsible and they get tax breaks for providing heartache benefits to employees that's just the way our economic system works in the itself and task force works too the concept we've because they've fulfilled their obligation quay we're helping them; right? through healthy san francisco and some of the extension programs we therefore have an obligation to pay for wellness program like i'm not - i want to think about this a little bit more it's not as consistent with some of the other things a you've spoken about and highway patrol feasible and laundromat or restaurant doing well in the programs that will show the results the randy study shows that large employers with stable
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populations. >> so i do think this is a fair comment i have to think, in fact, because of the special focus that we're reilly talking about within the idea of those participating within the city option that is really as you say not the larger but the smaller employers we have not had a change among those to offer something this might be a way in which the city my encourage this whether or not it is a readableable and helps the city because of the ability to get them the programs down to a smaller employer level or apartment employer level as merit i think that all of the those can be looked at if we go on to the concept of developing
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it as part of this it is nice to take not simply the idea let's provide insurance because if gets them into those other programs or healthy san francisco an access program with you moves towards i think the your deputy director appointment the ac a was trying to go not simply singes care ensue wellness care i see this represents that this is another milestone within how san francisco is looking at skifrj additional healthy behaviors bull i'll leave that to us to discuss further at our next meeting in terms of how we're able to see that this could be really part of our healthy san francisco or city initiative to continue to improve wellness i look forward to that. >> my discussions with the
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deputy city attorney deputy director i was mentioning i would be interested in seeing focus here i think that could go 3 of ways i don't think we're talking about a lot of dollars we could target small employers which is where this is going for public health tobacco or dental care that has overall population benefits we'll line up with our catnip program and look at the employers what are they operate economic issues back injuries scombrepgs or absenteeism they have the reason to reduce the workers' comp we could by looking at the wellness programs for retention with small amazes amounts of dollars to figure out what wear looking at the small
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employer pools what are their principle needs and lion them with the county interests this is part of the conversation so it is not like we would need to get the $12 return like the study but to lfrj small amounts at the workplace as a new site of engagement and i hope that is part of the conversation that happens but it is not obviously you know those goals are not in the way it is opportunity in the resolution i think some of that needs to be focused to help us to be fully on board with committing dollars in the future i think that is an important part find this initial and in the spirit of transparency i actually know you know that is assessable to. >> employees where they reside
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in san francisco or not we create a weird dynamic that was where i was going. >> that is for the wellness programs you're talking about. >> since we opened that can of wormgz might as well look at the percentage of their employees actually living in the city and the percentage that live outside the city for us health equality is one of the priorities for the commission i think that you know what we're doing is actually going through like improve health equality regardless of brown where they live i think we'll all support that that is my acceptance. >> where you suggesting commissioner the subsidies for the non-residents. >> i'm not going to say that. >> through the chair yeah. yeah if i could through the chair i'm sorry
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commissioner taylor-mcghee and i to a point make sure i understand your question to piloting rather than implementing the full flush program. >> we should take that initiative 2, 3, 4 stages that blanks as a policy but flushing out and the deputy director to lead the phone call groups with the employers and figure out with small amounts of general fund monies to put them into the wellness programs where is the biggest employee pool that is partnering is it again in programs that reduce the overall health insurance and the reduce the workers' comp and the workplace jurors or achieve all of them this is what we're needing as a plan that is not the proposal has the plan but i'm willing to sign off in the policy direction to encourage
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the department to engage once the policy is in place to come back. >> commissioner sanchez was next and i had two points as i heard in our overall presentation that was generally raising questions you'll be meeting with the small business groups and get they're thinking this is geneva you an additional configuration to generate input the other thing that crows my mind having working with the dr w y one of the major health care is the wellness programs for all populations especially those that have limited assess was the folks we're talking about now they feel this is an integral part of health care is wellness wellness activities, wellness programs it all part of the
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equation no longer point a and b here and there it is they're looking for creative activities they can fund in this area it is something we may want to look t at. >> yes commissioner chung so i know we talk about public health and we talk about like wellness and i you know, i just wanted to make the case in the having an economic gang if you have healthier employees the prosperity goes up and the business will thrive if in their in the city the businesses strife that means that traffic signals to more revenue for the city i think that is going both ways to really get a better picture to frame the narrative better to many betters by, yes.
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>> okay commissioners what an incredible amount of input to add to the work by the next meeting is there any other requests that commissioners may have? would you like to say some final word >> i appreciate your feedback and appreciated the opportunity to talk to many of i directly before the meeting. >> your questions and feedback made 24 proposal better i'm happy to work on the workplace wellness initiative and my comment to take what the commissioner sanchez said if you could get some indication before going into a lot of focus the small employers could find that a useful comment. >> my presentation for the smaukts might help that and any
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other questions if not we'll go on the next item thank you very much for your wonderful work a robust decision and item 10 other business. >> commissioners other business? just 0 remind you of our planning meeting what date >> october 6th. >> october 6th. >> all right. so we move on to item 11 the joint conferee committee meeting laguna honda joint commission met on july 14th in open session reviewed the administrator's report we have a presentation on the groundbreaking lodged care program we'll have a meaningful story about the legacies of care particularly particularly hiv and aids and hepatitis it was a compelling and quite informative
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about 9 work at laguna honda not for the city of san francisco we received the laguna honda metabolic youth in terms of the electronic medical records including a demonstration of the easy of the use of the those products and then we approved hospital wide policies and procedures and in closed session the report was approved i have a report from- >> wonderful could you let me know in the e hr demonstration what was. >>was a e clinic work >> it is the one. >> the in patient. >> they've adapted it for in pafsht and in partial a patient only an at laguna honda all the services that was the only clarification why not precede with the other report. >> i h s we had a board meeting
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dart there were services provided at i h ss including the education and others programs but important to the commission there in the process of developing themselves as a nonprofit that would be able to then telegraph hill apply for grant funding with the fiscal on really what are the services that are needed for this population of people in the city and how can they help to leverage those services. >> i'll keep you updated. >> thank you that is interesting. >> okay. any further questions to commissioner karshmer. >> our next item and item 12 agenda setting. >> i said what is needed. >> therefore we'll move on to
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i'll note no public comment for item 10, 11 or 12 the next is the closed session vote. >> any public comment on the closed session. >> i've not received any a motion to go into closed session please. so >> >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? we will go into closed session thank you very much the remainder of session we will have - >> should i leave and come back. >> why don't we have dr. gathering stay first and then mark with us to bto be finished
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>> so we're back in open session a motion whether to disclose or not disclose our closed session. >> not to >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? that motion for adjournment is in order a >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? this meeting is adjourned
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>> pilaties. it's a creation, an old regimen of exercise. really based on core engagement and core structure and core development. we do a lot of exercise in developing that and think about lengthening of the spine and our muscles. if you're a runner, if you're into kayaking, martial arts, cycling pilates are for you. >> programs are variety year around at various locations and to learn more come to the
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>> good morning is monday, july 27, 2015, welcome to the rules committee of the san francisco full board of supervisors my name is supervisor john alavos the chair and joined to any left by supervisor malia cowen and we'll be joined shortly by supervisor katie tang we have an item number one we'll call a moment later and we have some last minute discussions about possible amendments to the measure we'll hold off think outside the box that one awhile that item is diagnose discussed in my office but item 2
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announced the clerk the alyssa and today's meeting is broadcast presiding officer jim smith and jennifer lowe madam clerk, any announcements? >> completed speaker cards and documents to be included should be submitted to the clerk. items acted upon today will appear on the september 8th board of supervisors board of supervisors agenda unless otherwise stated great, thank you. >> so what we'll do we'll hear item number 2 first and then recess even though meeting and hopefully come in a short period of time with an item number one so item 2 first. >> item is an ordinance amending the administrative code for the amount of the fund from 3 hundred to 6 hundred and 50 conflict of interests great representative from the treasurers office. >> good morning on behalf of of
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xhooun i'd like to thank the supervisor president london breed and her staff in bringing this to committee that ordinance is a recommendation from the are controller's office will amend the san francisco admin code for the assessor-recorder over the last 3 years we've get a program to help to eliminate the wait times it helps our financial transactions when voters come to our office for licenses thank you for your time and i'll be happy to answer any questions. >> straightforward not controversial thank you. >> so this item open up for public comment any public comment on this item? >> this is recommended to the
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resolving fund. >> for any teaching as the promotional study i had a wide area of established my area of sdrin for the holy which is striking san francisco region thank you. >> thank you before we go vote on this item like to have a motion do we need a motion to excuse supervisor tang important this one item. >> more one further item. >> i'll make a motion to excuse supervisor tang for item two. >> second we'll take that without objection. item 2. >> this we would like to move forward with recommendation. >> sure i'll make a recommendation to move it forward to the i move we send it
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to the full board with a positive recommendation. >> i'd like to call for a recess and hopefully, we can come back in a what a short period of time so i can't say exactly what we're return we'll recess and report back hopefully witness no. within to - i'll come back at 11:30. >> so just 11:30. >> - >> good afternoon and welcome back to the rules committee we've been in recessed since 10:30 this morning we had a lot of last minute discussions about item one the right to know act and we actually have reached
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some agreement between our offices and labor and environmentalists in san francisco that brings new language to our ordinance and actually new language that will be. >> would you like me to call the item first. >> oh, yes. >> number one for the oversees for the november this accident occur election and amendment to the disagreeing energy and imperfectly for accurate information for the it can for the power source to the power plant. >> thank you thank you, madam clerk we're joined we supervisor president london breed that is sitting ♪ place of supervisor cowen on that item and joined shortly by supervisor tang i believe but in the meantime, for this item let's have a motion to excuse
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supervisor cohen and we will second that and we'll take that without objection. great okay. so we have number one before us this new amended version we'll present will be explained by michael hines with the public commission and talk about the changes proposed and how we can move forward with the explanation thank you, mr. hines >> good afternoon. supervisors michael hindu san francisco giants power enterprise i have reviewed the proposed amendments and i'll just provide a quick synopsis here promoted amendments would modify
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the disclosure requirements and it would retain the definition of clean incur energy and green energy and the green house linking it to california state law and standard with respect to renewable energy that will state it is the city's policy to limit the renewal credits subject to the goals of the clean sf explodes the minimum remits under state law for the rp s it states that the rebuttal energy permit provided of the counts is consistent with the levels specified under state law it does remove the previous
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disclosure language requesting the department of the environment to identify certain source of power supply and it adds language that urges the san francisco giants to inform customers of the potential customers of the plan percentages of the clean energy and green and rebuttal free green house energy for the cc program required under state law proposed amendments seem to be reasonable and workable from an implementation stand out any questions. >> so if we have amendments i don't have copies may i approach
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can we bring those - great, thank you. >> so as mr. hines explained the renotification requirements and new language that discuses what will be shared in terms of certain sources would like to open up for public comment any member of the public would like to comment please come forward. >> ink brooks san francisco clean energy advocates representing the coalition for the clean sf in inform i'll say that is very, very last minute
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so we while we see this as movement forward we're trespass dash about what is go on we definitely want to urge you to go ahead we there, a a procedural ability to move this the existing measure as self-was written to the full board tomorrow and pass it meaningful that's a crucial step we need the possibility of that measure being on the ballot to be there so whole we're looking this it make sure that is the right move we've got that protection it is crucial you get the rest of your supervisors colleagues to vote so for this thing tomorrow and make sure that possibility is solid for that being on the board i will say that with that said that looks like it is a way for everyone to put their guns away and not go to war that might be
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a decent outcome i think my colleagues want me to say is it really is true what we have ♪ our current version the nuclear not green house clean and we need to face up to the realty if we're not doing with about the ballot it makes no sense to see is it so green house clean it is not maybe we'll moved but looking at this really hard before the end of the week to make sure that is the right move and it might not be we want to make sure we're do the right thing we definitely want you to pass the measure tomorrow with the board of supervisors >> thank you very much is there anyone from the public that wishes to speak please come forwa forward. >> hi supervisors good
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afternoon iuoe business represent we spoke on the measure at last thursday meeting indicating we're not ready to take a position on one hand we're willing and will review and come to an understanding regarding the specifics and the measure there is some important changes around the disclosure and knowledge of the customers of what the energy is and the sources of the empower that helps the customers to see if they want to participate that is fundamentally the most important element of any public measure that people have an opportunity to vote yes or no assuming those changes are ultimate put on the ballot we're
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prepared to support it in the november's election we port the process wholeheartedly of reaching this point thank you for your attention. >> thank you very much any other member of the public who would like to comment and seeing none, public comment is closed so would i would like you to do is unless supervisor president breed would you like to do the handy work of the file and dividing the files. >> okay. thank you supervisor alavos and i too know that a lot of the folks have put in a lot of time to make that possible and what we want to do make sure that we can work together with those changes and part of our what i'm prepared to do, of course, move forward and make a motion to duplicate the file and i'd like
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to make the amendments to the duplicate file so that proposal goes to rule this friday and have more time to examine it in the meantime, as the current ordinance states i'd like to motion to approve it as is to go others o to the full board and we will hopefully be able to work out the details of anything we amend on friday so that we all feel confident that what we're putting before voters student right thing before the voters to insure them the appropriate language exists for what we ultimately want to accomplish that is something our investment for generation to come so i want to propose that. >> so - should i did you want
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duplicate the file and all the time the file. >> the origin file you want to recommend that act out of the committee report. >> i want to duplicate the file now and make a motion to amend just the duplicate file to include the record amendment should i read through those amendments? okay >> thank you so for the duplicate file and we'll provide red line copies striking underline page one line 6 through 7 starting at and requiring the department of the investment to identify the power source from nuclear power plants and striking on page 1 line 7 with line 16 at and requiring
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the department of the investment to identify the sources from nuclear power plant page 2 striking lines 20 through 25, page 3 striking e a - g and replacing that with g line 4 adding and after ap s, line 5 striving and containing no nuclear power, line 13 striking starting at the terms clean energy the term clean from 13 and all the way through 16 page 4 striking lines 3 through
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10 and striking lines 12 through 19, and page 5 adding to line 12 and to reflect changes in state law those are the amendments to the did you wanted file i want to move those amendments to the duplicateed file we want to do those dpij. >> no. >> i'd like to move forward the original ordinance to the full board as a committee report with with a positive recommendation okay. so we have a motion to on
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the duplicate file to accept the amendment as a whole and for the record that to a special. >> spell meeting the rules committee this friday at 9:00 a.m. yes. >> 9 african-american sounds great and on the original files to the workers' compensation with a committee report we'll take that without objection. >> great. >> >> all right. madam clerk, is there any additional business to come before this body? actually, let's resend the vote okay >> okay. >> great can we have a motion to excuse supervisor tang so for item number one. >> so moved. >> we'll take that without objection. and madam clerk, any other business before this committee? >> no, that concludes our business today
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we're adjournedout. >> hi, i'm japanese with the san francisco public utilities combination sometime people call me sewer girl our systems has served the area for 1 hundred and 50 years we're planning you understand public health and our environment don't think that so come in down and see how good m
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2015. welcome to a special rules committee. my name is john avalos the chair of the committee joined to my left by committee supervisor cohen and president of the bord london breed. the clerk of sth board today is alisa samary. can you share announcement >> silence all cell phones and electroning devices. complete speaker cards and documents to [inaudible] item acted upon will appear on sept8. >> just would like taannounce
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that todays rules committee meeting is broadcast by s frfx gtv staff, jennifer low and [inaudible] >> item 1 is motion [inaudible] it define clean, green energy and renewable [inaudible] election to be held november 3, 2015. >> thank you very much. the rules committee meeting was to insure that we had our committee meeting to review the last minute changes that were made to this ordinance for the ballot and not sure if president breed has anything to share, but we have jason breed the director of [inaudible] to explain the new version of the legislation. >> jason [inaudible] local agency formation. the
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legislation in front of you has been changed into baseic ways that the previous version had been talked about. those twho ways, we take out discussion about nuclear energy and add the above [inaudible] will work with reporting of category 3 renewable energy credits. there is no under state rules there are regulations how much you use for minimum standards but nothing beyond that. the sit a puts a voluntary limit on what it can do with category 3 credits using the same standards for the minimum complice to the rest of the load with exception between the meeting not being counted [inaudible] the roof top solar is not something in category 3
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and san franciscos goal is get as much renewable energy on the roof top. 9 percent of the load will fall into that category so we konet want to deemphasize that so will take out that caveat and [inaudible] in the system to what the stardards are fl the minimum compliance levels the state has and will stick to that. if you have questions i'm happy to answer them >> thank you so what was before with 2 measures going to the ballot is our push and to have greater roof top solar was being threatened and being able to count that as part of our clean effort >> yes. there will be restrictions for minimum rpf compliance but not the maximum levels so it gives the
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flexibility to have the roof top solar fill in the gap above the minimum compliance levels >> okay great, thank you. we can open up this item for public comment . >> [inaudible] you try to [inaudible] by not turning on the air conditioner but [inaudible] >> thank you. next speaker,
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please >> good morning for once supervisors. eric [inaudible] with various groups including san francisco clean energy advocates. the other problem with i [inaudible] measure is it will set different standards for pge so it can get away with calling [inaudible] when we couldn't-it was silly. on what is happening today, advocates want to make very clear that ibw made an agreement that after you vote on this in the hearing and send it forward they will send out a press release immediately announcing their intention tooz campaign against their measure and for our measure including putting a ballot statement saying don't vote for this, vote for the other one. advocates need to see that happened before you all at the board in about a half-hour vote to send it forward. if doesn't happen i
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know it is drag to be here friday, but you need to hold that vote until the press release goes out or we feel we don't have a deal and if we lose quorum and have to go to a pal balt misher fight we are plepaired to do that and will and will win. the last thing is hopefully ibw is watching and if they attempt this in other counties-i'm part of a state wide organization on community choice and will aggressively defend any county. >> thank you very much. any other member of the public who would like to comment? seeing none we'll close public comment. before we have a vote on this measure muchbing forward i would like to see if we have a motion >> make a motion to excuse supervisor tang, she cannot be here with us today
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>> take that without objection. you areoon the committee today. okay. just announced president breed is a member of the committee today so president breed will be voting with us. so, president breed >> thank you. i just want to thank there l the party involved in trying to build a consensus about around this issue. we all care about prckting the environment and this is a significant way to do that. i just want to say to supervisor cohen and supervisor avalos, thank you for hosting this meeting at such short notice. this particular item today will help us hopefully prevent a fight at the ballot this november and bring all parties together in order to move this forward and not only follow state regulations, but enhance reguless here in the city and county of san
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francisco. especially because we want to launch clean power sooner rather than later. what we are doing here is just a step forward in that direction. the mayor has made a commitment to move aggressively forward and launching this program and we are committed to that so fortunately at the ballot box this won't create that level of a problem so that clean power is delayed in the skity and county of san francisco. i'm excited, it has take an long time to get here. i just joined the fight when i became a member of the board met many here today have been advocateing for this for many many year jz it is trully amazing we got to this point and look forward to this measure passing in november and hopefully passing at the board and hopefully ibw sticking to their word and supporting the ballot measure and all of us
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coming together on this particular issue so we can move this problem forward as soon as possible. thank you jason freed for all your work for many many years on this particular issue. you have been consistently fighting to balance all sides so we can get to this point so excited and look ing forward to the launch of clean power in san francisco finally. last but not least, thank you supervisor avalos for being my partner on this particular issue and it has been great to work with you and your team, both jermany and connor in our office have been grain grait on this issue as well. thank you >> thank you. i think we had 2 bites of the apple last year, one looking at how the pec budget extracted dollars for the reserve for clean power and we prevented that for happening
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and you coming calling for the study for ininstrumental as well. we can have a motion to move this item forward? >> yes i would thrike mive a motion to move the item forward with positive recommendation as committee report to the full board >> second. >> we'll take that without objection. madam clerk do we have other items? >> that concludes our business for today. >> we are adjourned. .
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>> good afternoon. well good morning, everybody. and worriment special meeting of san francisco full board of supervisors july thirst your last meeting of legislative madam clerk please call the roll thank you madam president commissioner avalos supervisor breed supervisor campos supervisor christensen supervisor cohen supervisor farrell not present supervisor kim kim not present supervisor mar supervisor tang not present supervisor wiener supervisor yee yee not present madam president we have quorum thank you ladies and gentlemen, please join us in
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the pledge of allegiance of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all okay. colleagues can we have a motion to excuse supervisor farrell, supervisor yee supervisor tang a supervisor kim moved by supervisor christensen and seconded by supervisor cowen colleagues, can we take that same house, same call? we'll take that without objection. the nerve mind i'll take that back hello supervisor kim colleagues can we have a motion to excuse supervisor mark farrell supervisor yee and supervisor tang seconded by commissioner avalos cultivation without objection those peripheries 0 are executed madam clerk can you please call first item.
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>> countered by the rules committee at a special meeting on friday july 31st at 9 in the morning and forwarded as a committee report to the orders on ordinance to define the terms clean energy and green house gas free emergency or energy to provide accurate information about an election to be held in 2013. >> okay commissioner avalos. >> we madam president. >> i want to check to see if you have anything to say and i did not at this point. >> i'm excited we're good to go on the ballot measure our right to know ballot measures specification is how san francisco follows state law in how it independence and
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reiterates the beach chalet to follow the state portfolio standards including unbundled renewal credits and insures outline solar energy in san francisco are top clean tier energy that is significant a single most environmental effort in san francisco and by helping to contribution hundred percent clean energy one of the most effective things to prevent climatic change i want to really thank you all for having this meeting but more specifically it took a long time to get to this point i want to thank jason fried and commissioner avalos and his aid jeremy and my aid conner johnson and roger kim in the mayor's
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office jed holtzman and i want to thank member of the sierra club and 1245 to move marred forward with that on measure to help us launch clean power at the beginning of next year this is a significant step in san francisco thank you you'll again for all your hard work and let's make clean power happen for san francisco with that, i'd like to entertain - madam clerk can you please call the roll on item number one. >> supervisor campos supervisor christensen supervisor cowen supervisor kim supervisor mar supervisor wiener commissioner avalos
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supervisor breed there 8 i's that is this motion is approved unanimously madam clerk. >> at this point the public any comment up to 2 minutes within the jurisdiction of the board pursuant to the boards rules direct our remarks to the braid as a whole nen r number one is not eligible speakers using the translation services get up to twice the time and if you need to put up a document advise sfgovtv. >> first speakers. >> good morning supervisor christensen and supervisor kim supervisor campos and supervisor wiener and supervisor mar and others prisoners any giants prisoners must open they're open prier
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being a mit i didn't man once prisoners criteria will one step closer to all the principles of wisdom by that matter applied to our - that happening should go to the benefit for people of war. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> supervisors on clean energy i want to make sure and thank two important activists bruce in clean sf and babe it that has been helpful well. >> thank you brooks. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> good morning thank you
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housing step one out league of women voters the ellis act and step two banning no fault step 3, freezing market rate rents all through the city those are from 79 onwards if you've been there longer than than 8 years will reset our rent back to where it was 4 years earlier 10 or 5 years earlier there internal revenue few people that be long time residents that have gone through the market rate relent apartments we wanted to keep whatever we can including myself fourth point if you're a renter
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and your property is sold you get part of the sales prissy like the 5 years people that percent and some places that wouldn't work another building could work the percentage of - the number of years you're there you get represent every year of the sale price pro rated of our apartment that is a formula we can work with the renters need to get a piece of the action this helps some move the next part what are we doing with the land the hundred units example 10 percent market rate condos 10 percent condos sold to the people that are living in in this neighborhood whether chinatown or admission we'll
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limit it. >> testifying. >> thank you. any other members of the public who want to speak seeing none, public comment is closed madam clerk my memoriams colleagues that brings us to the end of the agenda madam clerk, any announcements? >> there's no further business. madam president. >> okay. we're adjourned px.
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>> we all know a major earthquake will eventually hit san francisco are reproerl presented san francisco is making sure we are with the public safety buildings. >> this consists of 4 consultants the police headquarters with the from 850 with a brand new fire station number 4 to serve mission bay swimming pools at office of economic workforce development in the fire station thirty. >> is the the hall of justice on bryant the new home for 2 hundred and 50 uniform and voiven compresses we all it was opened in 19 so sociothat is a 50-year improvement as far as structure and work environment
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had that will be a great place to work. >> when construction began in 2011 this was with an clear goal to make sure with the big one heights the resident will will have a function police department those are the highly seismic standards it is up to operate up to 96 hours from the police department perspective that building is self-sufficient for a main made arrest in all disastrous zake ever after we will run our operational from here no matter what happens this building and the people that serve the businesses will continue to function building is designed to meet lead goal certification and also to art installations on the campus that was designed and
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constructed to better sense of ability so for example, we're using solar water heaters we're also urging gray water for reuse inform flush water and rainwater for the cooling and irrigation locked on third street and mission rock is it serves the motorbike neighborhood and motorbike i moiks is a growing neighborhood and the intent of the bond to have please and fire serves to serve the community. >> hemming helping to keep the building and the stay safe was the not the only opportunity it creates many jobs with 82 bleb businesses overall san franciscans contributed one hundred and 87 thousand hours to help to complete the project it shows the city of san francisco
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the elected officials and police officers and more importantly the voters that paid for the building this is what we can do with when we wrorpt this is a beacon when we need to build new extra we can trust them with the money and the plan they did a good job the san francisco public is a reminder of the importance of being presented and will continue to serve the residents for decades to come.
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>> good afternoon, everyone. ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the monday, july 27, 2015, regular meeting of the san francisco ethics commission i say regular meeting that was essentially contemplated that this meeting would be cancelled because we school one in july or august but because of the need to have public button the two items on tonight's agenda we decided to go forward tonight i will first call roll
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commissioner hur commissioner keane councilmember gloria's and the executive director have been excluded from tonight meeting i'll tell you that some the gentleman didn't have to abstain himself we'll switch the agenda items number 4 will be taken up first that is the ballot measure statement and then we'll take up the agenda item number 3 that deals with the recruitment profile so agenda 2 public items appearing or not appearing on tonight agenda. >> good afternoon, commissioners i'm charley for the record you
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have my e-mail where i suggested respectfully you might consider amending our bylaws for the purpose of having a consistent provision in the law for filings to proceed all legislative and other important types of things which you do including placing initiatives on the ballot to the public has a clear idea why this particular measure or act was taken with that said you can do easily by a majority vote that applies to all the areas in the administration something you do anyway as a matter of progress it would be a useful thing and signal to the public this is a matter of the bylaws and this is
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standard so the public will have that assurance that is a good faith gesture a that's my public comment. >> any other public comment? turning to item number 4 discussion and possible action on future commission activities relating to the expenditure lobbyist ballot measure you've all received i think hopefully, the amended copy of the proposed ballot measure which was somewhat changed from the original that was i think sent out when this agenda was sent out and in any case we also have received a memorandum from the city attorney's office southerner the restrictions that
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have to govern any ballot measure language we place on the ballot on the yes - in connection with the proposed legislation and i will let city attorney andrew's just summarize i think the copies of memorandum he escalated to the commission are available to the public so you that will understand and get a little bit of combines as to sort of the restrictions and limitations what we can and can't say in the ballot measure establishment. >> deputy city attorney andre i'll try to be brief my
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apologies to the you been members of the public but i'll be brief certainly the other commission has submitted a bloo measure for the ballot to weigh in with the measure that was discussed in the memo the first we're discussing tonight the ballot argument from the decision voter apartment the second the commission ballot hearings that is taking place that will be considered by the committee on friday morning and a third, the more likely as we post the november election day mercedes benz e members of the ethics commission having may have to speak to groups in the newspapers editorial boards, members of political neighborhood clubs and the
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democratic republican party they may simply invited people to talk about the measures as a general matter our advise to the notification and really all city officials and staff who are involved in the ballet measures heading to the voters for consideration there certainly can provide background motion o information, context and explain why the measure is appropriate and a good idea, what the measure is intended to address that while governments can provide or play the information role with the ballot measures before the voters they can't cross the line into more explicit mini or related activity like sending out glossy
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mailers you know disturbing as that are sort of normal such campaigns and certainly tonight's ballot is one piece for the information to the voters and certainly i'm happy to help the commission go 0 through tonight's argument and the measures. >> thank you with that, i'll open up the decision to the commissioners as to the draft that you have as far as the ballot measures before us tonight commissioner keane yeah. i need just a little bit of guidance in regards to what we can and can't is as commissioners in regard to the ballot and the whole election process and reporting process
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if for example, we're contact by a reporter and the reporter asked what is the measure are we allowed to give our vrpdz of what the measure is. >> yes. you can certainly respond to requests what is the measure trying to he'd and do any factual information about the bloltd is provisional. >> i'm not in trouble u trouble i pointed with a chronicle reporter a couple of hours ago. >> i'm happy to plead for you. >> in terms of estate what is in it what the factual background even how about what the debate was we had and in terms of reporting rather than campaigning or arguing in favor
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of something giving history how people appear to look at it while it was being debated i ask this mainly i've done a fair enough of tv and radio commentary on legal matters and i don't know where i should keep my mouth shut are get in trouble as a ethics commissioner what i can and can't do in regards to history i think so and not certainly campaign or nothing like that it wouldn't be appropriate for any of us or engage in matter of debate either pros and cons what about talking about history and talking about various things like the state of the law in the
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country in terms of citizens united and what is left to us in terms of the disclosure of lobbyists as opposed to any prohibitions a payment of money i ask that also with my constitutional law professors in terms of talking to members of the public about that - can you give me some guidance i don't want to get in trouble. >> a couple of are 24rer8d matters we'll touch on one of the things we recommended in the memo is in response to those inquires you'll get from the public more and more often as the november election certainly one thing the commission wanted to establish a protocol that is up to the commissioners segregation e discretion you can
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think about second in terms of what you can and cannot do say for some guidance on the third page of the memo we provided 3 bullet points to provide factual information should void campaign rhetoric or slogans and not explicitly you're going to vote one way or the other certainly another information that don't violate any of the rules 2, 3, 4 referencing what the debate was i think certainly mentioning what the issues were before the commission certainly some decisions the commission had to make with seismic provisions of the measure you certainly can relate the pros and cons the different sides of the commission debates that is perfectly fine with the context
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that is harder to define i guess it depends on what you mean by sort of the larger debate and certainly it you want to start talking about citizens nieptd it are more in campaign restrictions as a supreme court ruling about expenditures and not about lobbying now this is not in the case people but united and the measure the commissioners put forward to the voters. >> okay. he think i'm okay. >> certainly as we go forward i'm happy to talk with the commission or any individual members what is or not appropriate mentally can't be crossing the line. >> i mentioned citizens united
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because of the importance of disclosure and transparency are the only things that seem to be left of governmental regulations relating to spending money by lobbyists after citizens united and so since we don't have any kind of reigning in on the vast amounts of money in public forum disclosure would appear to be something that would the public would want to shaken or look at with a color eye in terms of protection of the public in terms of what is going on out here in the location process. >> yeah certainly, certainly that point is well-taken obviously the united disclosures
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is important in terms of campaign financing and oversight i guess the one argument you may in invoking citizens united is a bogey man in terms of the issues we deal with with and didn't directly relate to the lobbyists issues. >> okay. thank you mr. chair. >> any other commissioner comments. >> thank you commissioner renne in light of the memo from the city attorney i have a proposal we use the finding that are currently in the existing ordinance and slightly modify them to serve as the ballots description i think that is as factually
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complete as proposed i think it is a little bit left argumentative and given the city attorney's advise about trying to be as objective as possible in the proposal 0 i think this pretty much meets the requirement the finding i'm referring to in section one on page one and with slight modifications let me premise it some of the proposal came from here in any event and i think with anywhere modifications we can accomplish the purpose as and so forth in for the voter information passed. >> the minor modifications i would make relate to the last -
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the start of the last sentence an page one the city requires the disclosure and change that to this ballot measure seeks to protect again, just making it so it is- discussing what the ballot measure would do rather than what it as already done similarly in section c of the second line after the com ma in decision making i would add the ballot measure soaks to explores rather than the inaction of the ballot. >> what page. >> on page 2 and that's line 15. >> and what change would you make there. >> i would make the change
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after the phrase decision making a correct. >> i would put the ballot measure seeks to rather than the ballet measures would do. >> and then finally in d although this is a picture i would change on line 21 this ordinance to this ballot measure. >> the only other substantive difference may not the only one but perhaps the most significance the dollar amount is not currently included in the findings i'll have no objections to including that but otherwise i think this accurately and relatively and i am partially
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provides the message we need so what you would suggest is that we adopt as a ballot measure just the language of the finding start on line 22 on page one through line 25 on page 2 the - changes that you suggested. >> correct. >> any comments? >> commissioner renne if i might add past the city attorney or staff if they have thoughts on that. >> yeah. one thing i'm trying to check quickly the wording if you could give me a second. >> it is roughly the same
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length may nobnotenotott be not >> yeah. i don't see is word limit it seems intoxicate roughly the is that you. >> you want to make a motion? yes i'll move we adopt the finding starting on page one line 22 through page 2 line 25
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the amendments i've proposed as the ballot measure proposal >> second. >> any public discussion. >> hello commissioners. i'm larry bush the one thing not in the finding commissioner hur mentioned this proposal reverses something that is the law we refer on page 2 to in many years lobbyists have been required to file but it didn't it is a is that that measure is intended to restore sdoeshz that had existed in san francisco it is important for the public to see a restoration didn't - thank
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you. >> i'm bob plant hold a couple of points first on words when i heard from commissioner hur that is the proposal that is a different matt haney than proposed ballot argument i could take this to mean a substitute legislation i ask you to clarify he didn't say proposed ballot argument i'm brought to my attention so, now i wanted to get 0 on to the questions of presentation about responding and when i was an officer i'll jump to the end after the protection was over and i the a major interview in the city attorney's office dennis herrera passed by me and said
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congratulations bob you didn't fill in the blank up on the interview and the presentations those restriction are at needing to be burdensome i ask you to despite someone on friday morning i do and stood figurative to answer questions about matt haney and i'm urging the commission those staff are knowledgeable and the attorney you're the folks that will interpret the meaning and answer any questions i answered questions about the meaning of the words of ballot simplification i think it would be helpful as to presentations or responses to invitations to speak here again you're going to find if you do both groups are
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disappeared one veterans groups do you want us to support it they couldn't accept the fact to sacrifice neutral i said what is the effects if it were implemented and changes in various ways i'll mention you'll get people that want to push do you like it they ask all kinds of probing questions to ask you to step over the line i hope you folks speak up this absent ever anybody makes the voters of that group question well, why is it posh if you're not there to represent silence can indicate lack of concern, lack of commitment attending those groups to comment from a neutral stand out informs the voters connection to benefits thank
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you. >> thank you. >> gloria killian good evening, commissioners mark solomon if memory serves from 2000 the limit is 3 hundred words for the argument and 50 for rebuttal but it's been more than 10 years i want to start with mr. bush's comments the passed law to what mr. plant hold said whatever the commission didn't put this on the ballot it speaks for itself where whether or not people should vote for it thank you very much. >> charlie i would repeat i think what everyone else is saying your sanctuary as a representative before broupz groups to refer to the history
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and jen us of this section of law coming back to the voters restoration so i think that answers a lot of the questions in the publics mind as to where it came from you can explain perhaps why it was repealed under simplification purts but a need for this to come back into law that would be my recommendation to you that's probably the way i'd handle it if you were a commissioner. >> thank you. any other comments? >> commissioner keane. >> yes. i mr. chair, i would ask commissioner hur whether or not he would accept this is a
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friendly amendment some language shows indeed that was a requirement that the city had until 2010 and it was changed there were restoring it that had no requirements that was a big part of the discussion i think that is a big part of emphasis and contractually conceptual lists it we talked about the fact that san francisco is really an out liar by not having this type of expenditure lobbyist protection every other jurisdiction has it it would be good for the public to know we're restoring something do you have any spot in that language where we could - i think we all agree with that
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suggestion. >> i was trying to find it i couldn't. >> i have one commissioner and i agree commissioner renne with our suggestion i would put it it right before the sentence on line 17 i'll add a sentence is this ballot measure reverses the requirement public disclosure of expenditure by expenditure lobbyists that existed in san francisco until 2010. >> just one clarification so actually, the executive lobbyists was in 2009. >> it was. >> yeah. just to clarify. >> would you repeat. >> this ballot measure reverses the requirement of public
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disclosure of spending by quote expenditure lobbyists quote/unquote that existed in san francisco until 2009. >> thank you. >> the next sense sentence it is not unique to san francisco. >> in terms of following up on i'm not sure where the commission was if you want to include a medication of the explicit $2,500 threshold i very specific language if you want it i don't know if the commission wants to include that. >> i'm on that issue if you want to include it but you don't i did not feel it was essential. >> so it is clear the motion is adding the language that is going to go in the voters pamphlet for - if the commission
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concerning the ballot measuress. >> sorry for my lack ever clarity on that. >> i'll call the >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? carries unanimously before we leave this whole subject matter, however, after discussions with the city attorney and having read his memo i think i would be inclined to ask mr. mini art to be the one to represent the commission before the ballot simplification and also be the spokesperson for the commission one because i believe he probably has more familiarity of
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ins and outs of that legislation than certainly i do and i for my own position i would be more and more most comfortable referring anyone that asks me he's the spokesperson so i don't run afoul of using words that the city attorney tells me are loaded words or words that are campaigning i have to say what he first discussed this subject you mean we can't tell you voters we're in favor of that it was intuitive active we have to say as i read the memo we can't he's
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right we are restricted from advocating for any ballot measure no expectation to those we put on so my suggestion to the subject what other commissioners feel we designate to the deputy director to be the spokesperson to address the concern that shows that the commission isn't behind it or not enthusiastic about it because we don't attend the community meetings or we don't respond to the press i think that is sufficient to tell them under our ethical obligations we can't but i will open that to discussion. >> mr. chair.
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>> commissioner keane i'm having a lot of trouble not that i'm not going to go along with everything you've said not the fall but u fault but on a logical part mr. speaker, in terms of your orange e original statement a question for the gentleman we're the notification ethics commission we have put forth unanimously a measure that we believe that will certainly buy our votes the voters of san francisco should adapt this measure goes to good government and policy and everyone else now before the voters for consideration we have had r not to give the appearance we're pushing the measure we think
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whether it it's a good thing and that we not endorse it to the voters this is just a measure we've originally put on there is something terribly inlogic that rubs me the wrong way in fact, when i was first considering it i'm not going to do this i was thinking of challenging it in teaching the first amendment in any constitutional law i teach on the subject of unconstitutional conditions in terms of whether or not citizens can be subject to a unconstitutional condition when they have certainly roles in socialite and one of the unconstitutional conditions
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certainly would be that one can't speak out as an individual in the elect roll process what you think should be involved i have a lot of problems with that on the first amendment i'm not going to make an issue of you but i'm often thinking of it and i've vented enough i just wanted to get that out there. >> should - am i overstating the restrictions? i feel are encompassed obtain our role as ethics commissioners to comment it should be obvious
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to the voters we're in favor of it we voted for it but as you leave the cases and our advice we can't become advocates >> that's correct mr. chair but following up with the previous responses to commissioner keane we certainly can provide information there is not that means you can't provide objective and partial information as the gentleman mention you commissioner went to mergers and outreach gatherings to talk about the measure as well you're not legally riders as a commissioner not to be involved if you rather have it as a spoke up it is up to you occupying that spokesperson as with jessie a staff member that is not different in any respect
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but this would be i think the best way of abiding by the activities we've talked about in the memo information there is an official designation of that responsibility to a particular - well combination member of the staff members that it should be an official designation so people are not accused of going out on their own and violating some of the rules. >> commissioner renne. >> following up on that then a good no disrespect to mr. mini art but commissioner renne i prototype i think we need much more appropriate if you as chair the committee were the spokesperson because this is something important it is the first time in 13 years that this commission has put something on
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the ballot we can't go ahead and put the emphasis behind it in the political process that we i think i and perhaps i think several others feel is entitled to because we put it on the ballot i think at least we can say we can show that it is important enough to the public that we want our chair to be the person who is the spokesperson in regards to what this measure is all about i think i respectfully ask that you serve in that capacity mr. chair as the spokesperson for it rather than a staff member. >> i appreciate the confidence or comments but if i were going to do it i would want to do it
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in conjunction with a staff member. >> that's fine. >> i've would feel necessary to defer to him on questions that might be i wouldn't feel comfortable answering that i'm factually accurate and i think that would be fine you be the spokesperson with the assistance of mr. mini art at your side in regards to anything you might want to ask him about. >> any other discussions. >> that sounds good to me. >> i agree with that, i just in listening to comments from members of the public i do think
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this is important that commissioners be visible in terms of representing this ballot measure and representing the facts of the ballot measure although we can't state or take a position or advocate that is understood that's why we're in favor of it but i think it sends an important message to the public the commissioners are evolved and if we're going to be speaking to groups the chair and mr. mini art together that would work very well and anywhere else in the world you, you you know we'll have anything do a communication session we have all the same talking points and reading from the same script to the public but since we're not allowed to do that unless we
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have a public meeting we'll not have a public communication strategy not that we don't value our input but i suspect that is not going to happen it might not a burden for you commissioner keane. >> i gladly designate to you. >> (laughter) >> i suppose we can put it in the form of a motion and have public comment. >> i move commissioner renne is designated and a spokesperson in regards to that ballot measure and using the assistance of mr. mini art. >> commissioners can i clarify it is for the bs e committee simplification ballot. >> any public discussion? >> hello commissioners larry
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bush i thought i would share some of the issues when i appeared before the sierra club some of the issues are policy questions for example, why is the commission putting this on the ballot instead of going to the board that was a policies question that was the board not a staff why are the nonprofits segregated by 50 c-3 and serving people in los angeles but only nonprofits by definition it includes nonprofits in the depiction if you look at the issues about the issue advocacy nonprofits that are supporting good afternoon walkers campaign
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the relationship was clear he was indirectly that all of his money for issues be sent to the nonprofits so he didn't have to deal with them thefr they remember his donors the question by the court if this was a coordinated campaign the court decided no first rights for the advocates but certainly can be true in terms of lobbyists that are doing the expenditure lobbying on the measures by the board of supervisors who happens to be in some other office those are issues beyond the staff level i was asked whether or not this measure was aimed at their airbnb or other issues that is a question your best able to answer yourselves i was asked how much of how much money will the fees raise for the 5 hundred
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thousand plus i don't know the answers for any of the questions i don't think anyone in the room knows off the top of your head but the issues i'm having appearances coming up in a number of sessions i'll be happy to share whatever i learner from the sessions thank you. >> can i comment on that in terms of the questions that we're proposed as examples i'm wondering whether or not we couldn't have a document that would be frequently asks questions about the ballot measure i hope that wouldn't appear to be advocating for the measure but would that be legal mr. chin. >> yeah. in expect it about what you say not how you say it
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again, if we're talking about what the measure doesn't see it is okay. >> people have many questions and if we could have something on this website we could turn to as commissioners that would be helpful i don't think we've done in the past. >> good evening commissioners elder a forensic of ethics i'd like to say i think that is a very wise decision to have a commissioner appear before the public and not advocate but answer questions one of the biggest problems that with that commission that needs to occur to restore capitol hill's public
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confidence in you and one of the biggest problems as a former civil joorj looking at xhibts that commission has advocated its authority to the deputy or the executive director this is a very good first step in making the public have more confidence in this commission thank you. >> thank you. >> thanks mark solomon that is important to send a commissioner the ballot implementation is a place to have a commissioner not more staff it is a bizarre operation in city government and this has a major impact you can speak what happened to the commission what arguments were made who said what and what you
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heard as commissioner without going forth and saying you have to vote for this but i think that is important that we are trying to get to the root of how public dollars have spent to influence the public process the commissioners that are public officers make direct advocacy i think you can make a bad law further commissions can side all kinds of bad things but the commissioners constraint your bound to a higher standard of what you can and cannot do but making the comments you have to be residents and voters of city that is a more direct connection to the voters and putting that on the ballet thank you. >> any other public comment?
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>> with our permission i'd like to speak for a second about the previous motion i the look at the municipal elections code section 575 has a 3 hundred word limit you should be prepared to think about the rebuttal argument if there is one put forth there's 2 hundred and 50 word limit we'll feed off that argument look at section 575 thank you. >> thank you. >> dr. derrick occur i agree with commissioner hayon that a commissioner should speak about this ballot initiative and sense
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commissioner renne has anytime not familiar with the in can see have commissioner renne because he is familiar and spends great deal of time it make sense to me. >> thank you. >> any other comment? we'll call the question >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? that carries and that will include i assume as i think there is a shorted window for a reasonable person if there is opposition i'll draft and approve a rebuttal. >> if the commission didn't time can i follow-up on the feedback interest that was
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helpful 535 provides the word lim limit. >> 518 or 538? >> i would suggest that we can to the extent that cut it down a little bit it exceeds the 2 hundred and 50 we'll do some editing but keep the tune of the lunge on pages one and 2 of the findings is that all right. >> yeah. i think if we are designating to the commission to follow up and shorten their argument we may want to designate the commissioner responding to the rebuttal argument that was what i was asking you
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was saying that i assumed that i would have the responsibility seeing i've been designated as the spokesperson also. >> sorry. >> having the responsibility of prep a rebuttal to whatever opposition. >> understood. >> i'm absolutely fine with that i'm not sure that was crystal clear in the motion but if it's okay with the city attorney i'm fine with that. >> i think that is up to the commission if the commission wanted to redo you want that that is up to the commission. >> we're asking for your advise not have to be done but if it does. >> the executive director is did he say absent tonight. >> i'm asking your advice for a
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city attorney do we need to do that. >> you can out of caution recast the vote. >> why not make a motion. >> i move we also allow commissioner renne to have to shorten the ballot measure proposal and to respond to any arguments or rebuttal with the city deputy city attorney. >> is there a second. >> second. >> public discussion hearing none i'll call the vote >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? hearing none it carries unanimously all right. turning now to agenda item 3 and the decision and possible
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action on the recruitment profile for the executive director position again there has been an amended recruitment profile i think you've all received and corrected some of the errors that have been appointed by a number of people and i will call for discussion on that revised draft. >> commissioner keane. >> yes. mr. chair i don't have it in front of the of me right now but we had a transmission
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from mr. bush pointed out out i think accuracy in regards to like who is now the president of the board of supervisors. >> that's been corrected. >> oh, okay i'm fine. >> i had an amendment to the top priorities on page 5 of the draft. >> okay. >> enforcement i think we need to be a little bit more specific i'll suggest we say lead staff in efforts to insure compliance with the ethics laws and effectively coordinate with other agencies.
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>> i also think that we might benefit from hearing some public comment i know we've got some correspondence at a high-level of concerns but if the public has specific edits they think are appropriate that would be helpful to hear that. >> all right. commissioner keane has referred to an e-mail that mr. bush sent to all the commissioners so on and so forth some gyms and specific ones as to what he believes should be included and not included and i will call for public comment at this time
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>> thank you. i'm larry bush the materials i sent was the product of several people including awe lane the past foreperson that worked on the ethnicity with the civil grand jury report and attorney on the civil grand jury and other people involved i tried my best to provide a run down based on the organizations that was in the material but in large measure what that announcement didn't do is provide a real sense of what is going on in san francisco and how the ethics commission fits so what is important about san francisco as a city right now is not that we have museums or the constitute institute for arts but in a time of great change
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those changes are bringing pressure economically and have an impact on the work of the commission when it talks about the city government fails to mention the role of the commission and jet nothing in the article it says that san francisco is unique with a level the participation with the city commission that also does not give preference to enforcement that is on the same par with some of the responsibilities that the commission has enforcements is one of the weakers areas where the new executive director that is an area that needs to be given more priority as commissioner hur just said i think that in general the duties of the executive director have are to follow the policies
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and priorities by the commission the way it is written it is almost as to the commission sits on the sidelines while the executive director sets the priorities if it has to be anything close to that it would be in communication with the commission the commission should be the counseling body not the executive director among the critical qualifications is a record of enforcement since this is one the critical things that is missing there's more those are the headlines >> thank you. any other public comment?
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>> i'm bob plant hold he was appalled to see this draft it reminds me what i the in eight grade in st. louis all the geological is a project month idea it misses the power point substantially any professional interested in it this job with on his own look up information on the city if they don't know about san francisco some of that is irrelevant and simplistic it misses the point you need a executive director who fully taxicabs and didn't take a lot of days off who is going to communicate thoorl with you folks and make sure that you said what
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press or media inquires come to the executive director or come to the executive director from the press and the board and the mayor whoever else in city government you may feel it is too late to restrict that rather than let the timeline drive the adoption of that proposed recruitment profile you consider re writing it yourselves maybe you have to extend the timeline and decision making but to me this is setting the limitation and flaws i've tried to amend nickels you canned it and threw it out i regret whatever money was spent that is not worth a professional response thank you. >> thank you.
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>> hello gun hilda i want to say that what the executive director for the noifbs in san francisco needs to be someone who hadn't been tainted by the previous office of executive director mr. sincroy has not been a glowing example for what would be something of a high standard and unfortunately, i mentioned before this commission has advocated its authority to such a person it's time for a new start in san francisco and it wouldn't hurt to have someone who necessarily hasn't been a part of previous administration but someone who has a strong background in ethics because
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overall the ethics commission is sloped to be the top ethical agency in this city thank you. >> hi commissioner mark solomon when i first got involved in politics in the late 90s i met a commissioner that was drunk there are two types one that runs the department and one the department runs the commission there is a balance the commission and staff has a productive relationship with staff what we have is not going to get here mr. sincroy was outside of the city and cultural of san francisco but the canned school of governments maybe put an ivy league masters program what
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we've seen from harvard university in with supervisor campos and supervisor wiener has not been any more than someone trying to benefit the folks in san francisco that is the nature of the corruption we want someone that is not afraid to stand up for their issues to make sure the laws are enforced no matter who is coming up up and tribe it didn't see manipulating in the city family i'm not sure how to craft that kind of language to that person can have someone with a record of enforcement a record of some sort of forensics to understand the records of the laws to make determines at the end of the day the buck stops with the ed if not with you all we'll have to
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live with this person lie mr. sincroy the other choice would have been an unmitigate disaster so it is a tough grab trying to figure out ways to craft to get someone here it is a tough job thank you. >> thank you. >> i'm rob and i was on crystal grand jury i think that should have a session that outlines the leg framework the position and the commission better than what you have now you have kind of mashed together and outlined by the chart you have the governmental conduct code and finance code that the notification noifgsz
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staff in enforcing and the relationship with the california laws and the f p t c the ethics commission staff is administrative review form 7 hundred filings with the f pbc and then get a sense that the ethics commission itself can put things on the ballot and many of the things within the governmental conduct code initialed by the voters in san francisco in response a abuses by elected officials in the past thank you. >> thank you. >> derrick occur again, this commissions own code of ethics
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calls for form of within the political process that too often comes from outsiders civil grand juries with the sunshine and whistle blower containments rather than an independent reform the ethics commission as an appendage of the city attorney's office your recruitment profile emphasize forcing it's been regulations and others legal itself and it is adherence to laws defines ethical conduct that is the case most of time but ignores the stance that challenge the status quo social justice advances because of moral encourage but your recruitment profile prioritize
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remain quote mature and impartial unquote so while neutrality is important it can become a mask for silence complicity given the tendency of government to be unresponsive something more than neutrality is needed in a executive director and the grafttional pull of city hall is such even a neutral director is going to be drawn towards the powerful and away from the public i think that has happened in recent years so, please consider moral encourage as courage as a qualification thank you. >> good evening, commissioners
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charley for the record there are some things that have been left out of the list when i think you best include because i'm not sure that the candidates wouldn't be taken auerbach if they found themselves in the middle of an election campaign sponsored by you such as the current measure or the official misconduct hearing that obviously took a lot of time and focus about you and your predecessors those things are rare but unfortunately now that the shelf that have that egging has been cracked it maybe more frequent than seen in the past other thing i thought was critical for this position was that maintenance of boundary
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maybe i'm stakt to speak like someone that is criminally trained but boundary have tripped up previous commissioners not commissioners executive directors because it is easy in time to lose sighted of exactly where you're at and so one of your jobs as commissioners to keep essentially heard on the boundaries being maintained by the staff and vice versa everybody needs to be checking and beale each other but the boundary i think calm u came up last time when mr. sincroy was appointed i would recommend that somehow that be addressed in our position requirements is really takes a person that is able to maintain a strong boundary and a sense of boundary those are my
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thoughts thank you. >> any other public comment? commissioners is this as anticipated we would take public comment and any we're not - it wasn't anticipated we agree that the document to go out you've designated that to commissioner vice president andrews and myself and the recruiting firm but we have the input from the public and we'll make changes based on that input but the present anticipation is that we would like to get it out by the first of august with a cut off date after labor day for response
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is there some reason we have to have that timetable >> no except that we the executive director is out as of the 27 of august before our next meeting in the ordinary course under the procedures the deputy director will be the interim director pending the selection of the successor and think the hope was we might be in a position to have a proposed hire by the september meeting but if there's a sense that we need more time certainly we can
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ida be happy to hear about it. >> i raise it mainly because i can understand the considerations of the chairs put forth but i'm very dissatisfied with that job description the way it is and the way it has been put and - it's been put to us by professional group and i guess they have a formula for doing things and it is a very unappreciative document in my opinion in terms of talking about what the job description is all of the criticisms that are raised in terms of starting off with several photographs
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photographs about what a wonderful place for tourism if you want to apply for this job that was an immediate turn off for the fact we're looking for a professional in regard to what members of the public indicated and we we know we want we want someone with a certain focus and dedication and strength in regards to addressing some very important matters of ethics and policy in san francisco someone that is something of a bulldog in regards to doing that things have been raised perhaps about a litigation background an "x" prosecutor or something like that but someone that will pursue those questions should do and come before the commission
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in a very dense fashion i don't get a sense of density it if i were someone looking through this proposal and i had just retired from someplace there would be a nice little sort of thing to fall into not taking a lot of effort, not taking a lot of problem i think i'll apply for it i don't think this is the message we want to get across the members of the public told us there is a particular person that we want to fill this job who is going to be doing it in a honest and very vigorous and zealous way at the same time is not going to be attempting to upcoming super the policymaking aspect of the commission and that the commission should be
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the paramount body that is the face of the public and should be deciding many of the things rather than someone we'll hire as the next executive director and sit in the center of this table and have the public look at as oh, that's the guy r that runs the commission that's the way it has been looked over the course of years what some justification. >> i think we ought to rewrite this i'd like to take some time maybe extend the time constraints you're talking about perhaps another month and maybe several of us take some shots at helping to rewrite this at least
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emphasizing various things rather than having this go out. >> before i call any commissioners you spoke with her did you not. >> i the i have a have nice conversation with the lady two days ago. >> did you impress express our thoughts. >> in a phone call that laced a while they're not here. >> i agree with that but i've - i know she said she was going to to all the commissioners she'd not spoken to you when she presented this i assume after you spoke with her much of the comments are going to be reflected you want to hold redraft and want more time that's fine. >> can i comment on that i mean,
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i look i get this is not the person i don't disagree with the provision that are proposed i'm fine with revising that but you know let's be clear a perfect document is noticing not going to materially change i think the number and quality of candidates i think that could change would we get but not spend all our time trying to come up with the perfect document over most of time we want a person the best person we can get and in a timely fashion as we can and you know, i think we designated in authority to the chair and having to work with the first committee to came up the language and gotten good feedback ged god and try to get
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it auto by august 1st if they need more time they need more time we're going not going to meet in august not holding this up until late september and don't have candidates until the holidays. >> yes. i'd like to underscore with commissioner hur said we've gotten good feedback from the public and documents we can refer to i think the document needs to be improved we've been through an executive improvements process the job description and those pages are the determining factor in getting a great executive director yeah, that will rely on the committee that is the search committee that interviews the candidates and makes the decision this can be improved
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let's get it done not stick to a trouble but without going overboard nice to have a new executive director by the end of the year if noted sooner the best possible candidate yes, it's a limited role nate statewide there are not that many people in that field so i'm sure the word is out among the people that are professionals and in this field and if not this will help to get the word out but everything is not determined by the words and this job description especially mr. bush's comments about describing san francisco that needs to be corrected he's right that bears an important influence in the kinds of issues we will be
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dealing with in the months and years to come beyond that you know - let's do what we need to do improve it and move along not tied to an absolute deadline italian-american going to time myself to that. >> i defer to the wishes of my colleagues and what is expressed the fact that the chair has indicated quite clearly the chair cognizant of what the members of the public said and does not feel itself is bound by this as any kind of gospel that has to be preached out there so i'll put it into the hands of the chair. >> let me say when i read this first part the city government the ethics commission all the emphasis my sense was that
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probably unnecessary in a recruiting because whoever is whoever is coming out here is aware of the city of this city and what's going on and the issues i mean so that my principle focus was on what the requirements the sort of basic requirements that we want in our executive director and i agree with the statements that have been made we want someone that is strong on enforcement, comes from a background whether he's been in prosecutor's office or private practice but that i think a minimum he should be a lawyer and have experience in not only managing but in the areas of
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enforcement which i think is a very, very for part we need strengthening but i appreciate all the comments and i will go back to alliance and come back to the drawing board on part of it but i'm not disposed to spend weeks before we get it out because once we get it out the people we about get are no good we'll have to start again but maybe somebody out there and i've heard rumors that are people who are interested in the job who are well qualified and who would be meet all our requirements but until we get it out we can't so i will try to get it out in the
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next 10 to 15 days and thirty days to have people respond and hopefully, we'll move from there. >> commissioner hur. >> chair two comments i agree with almost everything you've said describing the commission is helpful and the only other thing the concern i also agree it should be a lawyer but not make that a requirement. >> public comment? >> thank you, commissioners bob former commissioner want to go to the compensation section of your draft document i was here 15 years ago, i wouldn't have worked for in i
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think you need 0 relook at your compensation the outline of the type person you want i think your restricting yourselves considerly by the range of salary you have to look at increasing the salary range and broadened the appeals who you might bring in. >> i appreciate the comment i share our concerns but unfortunately, we have been advise by h.r. that those are the requirements absent our having saying some candidate who is super duper and go and is look this man and woman would be ideal but he or she wants more money we think we ought to be able to pay it but our hands are tied by what the city structure
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allo allows. >> i've already been up here larry bush what h.r. is doing is giving you the boiler plant template bans the number of employees and the budgets rather than the special qualifications and the duties that go with that position i think there is a lot of room for investment of this not at least looking at the cost of living in the city if you're going to bring inside someone and pay them $11,000 you'll not get the kind of person if even if you went to hundred and $46,000 that's not a salary to pay for a senior lawyer even for a paralegal i don't know. >> i don't disagree.
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>> i worked at hud and made hundred and $60,000 was not an attorney i was a spokesperson that spun people and well compensated but on the other hand, i know what my skills and what is riders for a executive director on the cutting-edge nailing port commission a commission that is unique in putting something on the ballots i don't know of another commission that don't it the language says it could be increases bans other considerations i think that would behove you well, to talk about some of the other considerations that would allow for an increase in that whether those others considerations are 10 years of experience heading up an ethics commission someplace or a history of having written go ethics laws but think
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about that because if you put out those document with those kinds of numbers i'll have any secretary apply (laughter). >> do you charles do you absolutely need to state numbers do you have the option of deleting numbers and saying salary based on experience and credentials and some boilerplate authoritative there have i would fudge by not putting in numbers. >> that's calls bait-and-switch. >> we're tethics commission.
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>> h.r. will come along but not start with this is a weak negotiating position you guys should know that. >> any other comments all right. there being no other agenda items i hear a motion to adjourn. >> second. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed?
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