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>> they tend to interfere with the equipment in the room and can we please rise for the pledge of allegiance? >> i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> call roll. president loftus, here. vice presidents therman, here. commissioner marshal we believe is in route. commissioner dejeess, here. commissioner mazzucco, here. commissioner hwang, here.
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commissioner mu lera, here. you have a quarpm and also here is chief suhr and joyce hicks. >> good evening here. sergeant please call the first line item >> item one public comment. the public can address on the items that are not on the tonight agenda but that are win the subject matter of jurisdiction orphthe commission. speakers shall address their remarks to the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners or had department or occ personal. under police commission rules ofordser during the public comment neither police orocc
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penchlal, nor the commissioners >> sheryl davis. i just wanted to take this time-the last time i was here was with a group of young people and just wanted to come back and say we really want to follow up with the chief and make sure the work done this summer continues throughout the school year and wanted to publicly thank the commission and the chief for supporting the efforts and give a special shout out to-there has been so much going on not just nationally but within our city and sometimes for you all it gets very difficult to do the work you are doing and continue to do it sometimes even e in the midst of bashing
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so wanted to say thank you for all the work you do and being committed and dedicated to support the community of the sate city of san francisco. i wanted to thank president loftus for supporting the effort this summer because there would have been times i i said i don't think so but she was convinced she would make it happen and i thank you for making those young people fee so important and validating their experience squz work and to commissioner marshal for allowing them on the radio station to show it and how it doesn't end there. i know people that saw that at the beginning and the end of the summer saw the difference but it continues to make a difference and think what that is true community policing is
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about and look forward to building on that. i had yesterday quite a emotional ride on what it really means to be engaged with the police and what the commitment looks like on both sides and i'm grateful you all continue to show up and do the work, so thank you. >> thank you. next speaker good evening and welcome. >> my name is herbt wineer. i consider myself a civilian and pedestrian at risk. i refer to the problem of bicyclist. i think our motto should be today polk street, tomorrow the world. nofe pedestrian never ran over a bicyclist. presently there is no control over bicyclist crashing the light, riding on a sidewalk and doing it punity. i cu-mind
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captain stanford for trying to do something but the municipal transit agency doesn't [inaudible] they ticket for parking violations but don't ticket for traffic violation jz this is a epidemic in the city. right now there is a vision zero and in some respects it is zero vision because it targets automobiles but doesn't mention bicyclist so therefore we won't have automobile theft but can have bike collisions. everyone will look the other way and say [inaudible] this is outrageous. now, people have the right to ride bicycles, they have the right to operate a moving vehicle but also have rights and responsibilities . they
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don't pay license fee squz gonet don't pay for parking and they are a powerful political force and they have gone vieral. hopefully we can do something about this problem. i don't want a idaho solution. i want to be safe as a san francisco civilian and native. these are my concerns, i wish to express them and wrote a suterical piece on them. thank you very much >> thank you mr. wineer. a week from today we'll have a update on the departments response to this commissions resolution about making the streets safe for everyone. >> hello, my name is [inaudible] i'm a tenant at north beach place and like to get the attention of the police
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chief and captain [inaudible] of north beach station. we have a individual that is in the wheelchair and for some reason at north beach station they look at this man in a wheelchair and we can't do too much about it. this man has [inaudible] that comes into my living room vent and into may house or on bay street coming out of his windows and this has been going on for a while. it started again at 1 in the morningism we have a [inaudible] 1511. this is the woman when they be molesting and doing these children in north beach place sex traffic. she is making threats out of [inaudible] window last night telling me how she will get me because i won't let them use my house as a dope house or let the pedophiles stay there. stop looking that wheelchair
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[inaudible] if they can take this person out of the tenderloin and send him to [inaudible] he keeps breaking the law and doesn't respect anybody and now i have a [inaudible] on my heart i keep because i'm having problem with my heart valve because i keep getting upset about all these smoke coming in my house and filed another complaint with north beach place. sthis the chiefs copy and wish someone would do something about it and hope the officers in north beach to understand just because he is in a wheelchair he needs to go to jail just like anyone else. >> i think cheer maybe some from the department could respond and let her know how to follow up. chief has it. thank you. good eve squng welcome >> good evening president loftus, commissions and
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[inaudible] carrying with what mr. wineer says it boils down to allowing people to break the law. whether it is the biker or parole specials in the cast row and other areas that have high places that will break laws on their behalf it is a problem when you don't hold people accountable. it is a angoing problem with decades. you are part of the problem because you are supposed to [inaudible] over the police and make sure they are not corrupt like chuck lynn burke and gary buckner and [inaudible] so many others in mission station corrupt for so many years the feds had to come inl and clean house. that is number one. you let law breakers get away with it all the time. that is on you. number 1. i'm losing my mind and can't remember all
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the things i have to say, but number i'll talk about the parole special. you had a report 5 years ago telling what a crisis they are the fr the city and what a liability they create and you have done nothing. i can't tell who the officer is overseeing it is anymore. last week i mentioned the officers who are the police commissioner officers like sergeant gillshah and [inaudible] were awesome and also left out [inaudible] who works on the staff and she is awesome. if only the member thofz commission and director of inocc and chief were as awesome as those folks this city would be running great. got a minute to go. what else? i don't have much to say other than-no, i think that is it. fine eel, on the badge cams i heard there was a petition a
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couple week uzgo screaming about how you haven't gotten the badge cams. i agree with what you are doing. the process of having a thorough ventilation of these policies before they are implemented is a good decision. unfortunately the people you had ventilating the policyerize the same working grume you had during all the other corruption of the city. it sound like it fs interpartmental cluster f and no independent voice jz nobody with any view other than the standard corrupt views of the san francisco government. president loftus i have faith in you and don't think you intended that result. i have faith in other members of the commission, not all, but i think you can do better than that. >> next speaker.
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>> good evening. >> good evening. what a week. greg suhr makes the front page of the examiner. [inaudible] name is [inaudible] great woman and glad she is financially compensated for her deeds. now we have a alijedly a officer charge would sexual maybe rape. i'm not sure. i'm reading the report and i'm like, what! wait! a cop! it wouldn't be the first time but it is interesting. a lot of things are happening in san francisco and first of all, let me cu-mind kelly ohair. that woman took it all. she took it all. all commend her. ied is
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a tough job. you investigate the investigators. you got 125 thousand and made the chief look like a fool. you go girl. >> thanks clyde. further public comment? >> do i introduce myself or just speak? >> it is up to you >> i was at the city a few month jz arrived this afternoon and witnesses a [inaudible] in fronts of the court house in front of the deputies so it was a quick arrest but it was a random assault for no reason what so ever and i was wondering as far as dealing with crime in san francisco it isn't possible-the building is about a stones throw from here
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why there isn't more cooperation between the sfpd and fbi like more joint task force, more educational like symposia between the fbi with teaching ethics, investigation, interrogation and just how to develop cases maybe like take local case squz try to work them up the federal level and also [inaudible] more like street undercover gun buys. it looks like there is a lot of shootings lately and no sus spects so it would be nice if there was more undercover and also a gun buy program. some folks have guns that are just
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locked away or in attics so it is probably a good idea. >> thank you, sir. any further public comment? hearing none public comment is closed >> item 2 reports and announcement. 2 a chief report discondition review of recent activities. >> public director hix. i'll be brief tonight because i know we vapresentation later on. first there was some mention of a pretty serious vehicle collision on monday morning where a 64 year old man was walking to his car on gaven street when a acua side swiped him causing him to lose a portion of his leg. the vehicle fled the scene and the [inaudible] found the vehicle within a couple hours, develop
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[inaudible] which resulted in arrest and the person responsible for that hit and run is in cusied. on a happier note the crime lab on august 17 received its-awarded the iso 17025 interalsh accreditation which represents the most stringent standards in the country. the lab eliminated the untested and back log rape cases by outsources the pre-20 03 back log that was signed off for testing clearing any and all sexual assault back log san
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francisco crime lab had in its possession. we were hoping to have that done by the end of the year and got it done by the end of august. the labe is haibl f able it turn around the time for complex analysis from 9 months to 9 week squz set to add more equipment and hiring 7 more crimnist and additional supervisors so all the news with the crime lab appears to be on the up swing and have external auditors and bias instructor of international [inaudible] coming in september to instruct the criminalest. other department news, member of the command stab and other members took part in the blue courage training in august which speak thooz had wellness piece of pillar 6 in president obamas task force which we are hoping to roll out city wide
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and the 25 lieutenant promotions have taking place. the week of orientation will go forward on september 8 and we are next to sergeant promotions which will be announced a week from friday. that concludes my report absent what the commanders and work group will speak to in item number 5. >> colleagues any question frz the chief? hearing none. okay. thank you chief. sargeen call the next item >> item 2 b, occ directors report. discussion and review of recent activities. >> good evening president loftus, chief sure and member thofz audience. i will keep my report brief because i'll speak on body cameras later but i'll talk about a few activities that occ staff and i have been
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involved in. in august-ilate august policy analyst [inaudible] met with jude thd green who is sth executive director justice of strategy and wanted to learn about the office of citizen complaints and she was referred to us by missioner melara. our mediation and out pch weech attorney dona salazar met with aminea horten the independent monitors office to discuss the occ's outreach efforts and also our mediation. in addition, attorney many [inaudible] and i continue our work with the bar association of san franciscos crimial justice task force and many is on the data collection subcommittee, civilian
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oversight subcommittee and i too and on the civilian subcommittee and will host that committee next week to learn about the operations of the occ. finally deputy director eric bault zar and i met with members of the criminal justice committee of a bay area civil grand jury that group is looking at various models of civilian ovsite to see if that should be a recommendation for their law enforcement agency. that concludes my report. i would like to mention steve ball is here in the audience this even in case there are individuals who would like to talk to him about the occ. thank you. >> thank you director. colleagues any question frz director hix? okay, thank you.
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sergeant call the next item >> item 2 c,. >> i have a quick update for everyone. commissioner melara raised a few times that we are due to have a update on the dv 6.09 and some of the pieces of public education we are working on to make sure victims of survivors of domestic violence ruweir of what could happen afterwards. commissioner [inaudible] had a great meeting. representatives from the [inaudible] and department of status 06 women and scheduled for a update here octobe are 14 >> attended the china town
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[inaudible] they had close to a thousand people. the entire cadet class was up there feeding the bbq. it was very well attended. mayor lee and members of the command staff attened as well. >> commissioner marshal >> thank you fl meeting yesterday of the african american community and [inaudible] thank you for attending. thank you for being there. we have some things covered and let's keep moving forward and get things done. thank you. >> i'm for that. anyone else? >> we don't have to read between the lines >> i'm sorry vice president therman. >> sorry i forgot the report. in your packet is the program from monday nights officers for
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justice annual scholarship program where the officers of justice gave 10 thousand dollars in scholarships to 10 worthy student to begin and continue their education and college throughout the united states going to different colleges. i want to cumund the officers of justice as well as the individuals who contribute today the scholarship funds for making sure people from very challenging backgrounds are getting the opportunity to finance college. it was a marvelous program, heard marvelous stories and met great kids and also talked about the advantages of a career in law enforcement with several of them. i want to thank the officers of justice and think the president of officers of justice just entered the room so want to thank sergeant williams of the officers of
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justice and the entire force. >> thank you. congrat ylthzs to officers of justice. >> item 2 d, commission announcements and scheduling of items identified for consideration. >> anything else we need to discuss that we haven't calendared? hearing none, for the audience the next meeting september 9 is here at city hall at 5:30. >> that will focus on the body camera policy. september 16. is there public comment on 2 a-d of the agenda? public comment on 2 a-d? hearing none
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comment is closes >> item 3 assignment of chigzer and [inaudible] disciplinary charges filed against thomas mu clusky file number alw. case number 2013-0173 and alwiad 2013-0239 action. >> commissioners this case going to be assigned to commissioner mazzucco. >> both cases? >> um, >> sorry. this case is assigned to commissioner mazzucco. >> what we'll do is you have been in contract with parole special officer and the next step is set for the officer to be present or we'll have it on for dismissal or termination at
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the next appearance. >> okay. is there public comments on line item 3? mr. [inaudible] >> [inaudible] i'll do 3 now and 4 later. [inaudible] commissioner hwang because he'll commit crimes [inaudible] i done say this [inaudible] i know he did it because i was a victim of his crime so don't ask me to be quite and say things that are true about your membership. i am glad it didn't go to him. it went to commissioner mazzucco who expressed he loves the parole specialist because [inaudible] that he grew up with as a kid. i don't care how he grew up with his kid, they are criminal jz violate the law and open violation of the 14 amendment of equal protection and you
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know it and continue to allow them to persist and break laws because they have sth right political connections to the right supervisors wiener and [inaudible] in the city government. have you read the controllers report from 5 years ago? they had a deadly of critique thofz parole specialist and a laundry list of the various crimes and other [inaudible] they commit. they are a walking liability fl city so at least you didn't give the assignment of these 2 case tooz commissioner hwang who is a criminal as well. thank you for doing that have a great day. >> thank you mr. [inaudible] there are rules around what people can say and they are able to say what they need to say. >> item 4 assignment of commissioner and setting of date for evidence and
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disciplinary charges filed against jose [inaudible] alw case number 2015-186 action. >> can you assign this case to the next commissioner? we'll do the same commissioner. >> public comments on line item 4. >> ditto. ditto, ditto. i don't know about this-what is his name? jose vidoll. i don't know him, i know mu clausky and he is a criminal as well. thank you >> want to remind the public and people who are watching the commission doesn't indoors the views of people speaking at public comment. sergeant call
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the next line item >> item 5, status report from the working group regarding body worn camera discussion. >> just to set the table for colleague squz orient to us wherewe are, i she it commander coming up. by way of background to remind the commissioners, back in may the commission did ask the chief to provide a draft policy to this commission within 90 days mptd it was doctor marshal that said that it was aggressive or ambishing or something like that but the department responded quickly and efficiently and worked with a gup of folks we asked the department to work with and their charge as a working group, many of which are here, is to look at the various work that is done on this. there are white papers from groups like the aclu and perand sit
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with folks and gliberate and present it to us. asia know the group met 6 times over the summer. i know many of us were able it observe this group. the tables were turned i had to speak in public comnlt, so i want to thank the group members before we did into the material and want to say what i kept saying is i want to thank rubecka young and [inaudible] chairl davis from hrc. [inaudible] sergeantiolaunda williams [inaudible] director hix and eric bault var. [inaudible] recommended by london breed. brian [inaudible] laura night from womens poa. [inaudible] from the poa and mark [inaudible] from the latino poa. there were so many people that
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volunteered and sat in a room and discussed this policy and thipg that is extraordinary and we have them to thank. what we have before is a draft policy and what we asked is reasonable minds can differ and don't have to agree but where you disagree pellagthe issues and let the commission know. what you have in the packet is all the minutes from the discondition. the draft policy reference material and you can see the dialogue that went back and forth. incredible work that put us in a great position to do our work now so tonight we are going to hear from commander mogesier and members of the working group and members of the public who are following we will have 2 public meetings one september 16 which is in the western addition. one in october and the policy will come back and that is when this body will deliberate over that piece, but wree starting
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that process tonight. commander mogesier did i say too much? >> that is a perfect segue. president loftus, commissioner, chief suhr, director hix and members of the public. as president loftus mentioned i am commander mogesier and d'errico chair of the body cam working group with [inaudible] i'm happy to be here tonight to present the body worn camera working groups and policy draft as president loftus had mentioned this is a result of several meetings-6 meetings over several week. a lot of hard work by a diverse group of individuals put together of the direction by president loftus and the commission. before we get started i want to point out to members of the audience there are cop ies of the draft
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and the powerpoint presentation that i'll be going through over on the side of the hearing room. if i could get the powerpoint presentation up. what i'll do tonight is really just walk you through a overview of the process. how we got here, how the group was formed, what our methodology was in tackling what was very challenging task, very important task and timely task. walk you through those meetings . highlight the areas where the group differed and really talk about some of the key components of the body worn camera policy and/or discussions. on april 30 of 2015 mayor lee, chief suhr and
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commissioner president loftus announced additional funds over the next 2 budget cycles that are set aside to purchase bodee worn camera for 1800 members of the san francisco police department in the field. on may 13 at 2015, president loftus directed the department to establish a working group for the purpose of developing this body worn camera policy and present the draft to the police commission within 90 days. the group also had the direction from president loftus to vet potentially continchs and key issues of the body worn camera policy and provide alternative viewpoints, where they existed and have a robust discussion about those issues and if we didn't agree to bring those forward and bring forward both sides of that argument.
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on may 13, the working group was formed. that included representative of the sfpd command staff. the office of citizen complaunt, the public defendanter office, the sf bar association, the aclu, [inaudible] department of human resources. a representative from the community. sf police officers association. the officers for justice. the sf pride alliance. the national latino peace office association, [inaudible] i know president loftus mentioned a few name jz would like to acknowledge some of those in the audience who showed up and it will speak the the level of commitment and seeing the process through and that level of commitment shown through the entire process it speaks lot these individuals are here. my
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colleague commander robert osullivan. office of citizen complaints joyce hix. i saw many [inaudible] who also helped out. from the public defenders office rebecca young [inaudible] mr. paul henderson was here and participated as well. mrs. chairl davis from human rights commissionism martin grand from the department of human resources is here. president marty hyland from the poa along with jonathan yang. sergeant yo landa williams. sf pride [inaudible] and then also who are also helped out along the way, lieutenant david o'connor and [inaudible] we couldn't do it all without your secretary
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sergeant rachel killshah was invaluable and organized the meetings and collected the minutes and getting the agendas out. i want to publicly acknowledge that group for being here tonight and thank you for the hard work they put in and i apologize if i missed anyone that is out there. june 2, 2015 the body camera working group met and had the first meetingment what we d did prior the meeting is collected best practices and policy and put them out to the group in advance and gave the group a opportunity to read those policy, digest, reflect upon them and bring that knowledge to the first working group and subsequent working groups so we had a base. what we did is provide them with a working document that was a document that included what we felt were some of the main point of a
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body camera policy we can build off of, a skeleton of a policy for lack of a better term. some of the policies we put out there included oakland pd's policy, lapd, bart, pd, san diego pd, aclu, white paper and perpolicy just to name a few, all of those that are included in your packet. of course the body camera working document that i spoke of which was dated the first iteration of that was the 28 of may. that first meeting we talked fwht purpose in the policy of the body worn camera and you can go in the draft and follow along the progress we made from meeting to meeting as we go through the
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powerpoint. we worked on pups and policy and discussed squiment and use of the equipment and the praining and quhoo is the program administrator for such a policy and then be also looked at scheduling future meetings with the idea of comply wg the 90 day time limit that we had to try and reach that goal. we decide we'll meet every other tuesday for 2 hours. these were all public meetings open to the public. we had a opportunity for public comment. our l our minutes and agendas, every draft we did was posted on the commissions website and available if the public, so from the start and the whole direction of this working group was to be transparent and open process and that is what we
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attempted to do all throughout. on june 16 we met for our second meeting and adopted our minutes and then we worked on section 3 which you'll see in your draft, which is the procedures for set up and maintenance of the cameras. what officers would be require today do prior to their shifts in terms of insureing that the cameras are work ing properly. consent authorized use when officers should turn on the cameras or shall turn on the camera, that was a big section. as you can -you can see in your draft policy and prohibited recordings, when officers shouldn't be recording. those were very robust disconditions and got a lot of different viewpoints but
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as you can see came up with a fairly comprehensive list where we felt the officers should record. if you look on your body worn camera draft see a notes page and that gives you more information on areas of the policy be it where the individual sections of the policies came from and maybe where the ideas came from. in some cases we referenced oakland police department policy or per policy. it also has notes of where we disagreed or had different opinions or differing ideas or suggestions so that note page corresponds with your notes on the tab of the working draft. in that
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june 16 meeting we also talked about termination of recordings as well. in addition we had a discussion about 2 different viewpoints during that meeting. when a officer should be required to record. the first viewpoint was bobby worn cameras should be on all the time and the seconds is bobby worn cameras should only be on different certain circumstances so we discussed the 2 alternatives and reached concurance that officers shouldn't have to have bobby cameras on at all times throughout their shift. we felt if we had a comprehensive list of when officers should have it on balanced with the times they shouldn't have it on that will strike a good balance between privacy rights of individuals and collecting the
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proper foodage when we felt we need ed to have it. on june 13 we had our third meeting. we -just to let you know how the process went, as we went along and we made changes we obviously updateed each draft which was posted on the website and were available for public view, so we work off a new draft on each time. we were working off or policy draft from the dated on the 25. we talked about purpose again and went back and changed the actual terminology, you will see that if you looked at previous drafts from a portable digital device to a body worn camera which reflected the way the terminology is, the best practices for terminology so that was the discussion behind that change if you see that.
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we also went over section 3 which again we talked about termination of recordings. the viewing of recordings as well. we had the discussion of whether officers should be allowed to viewing the report r recording prior to writing a report. sthis the first main area the group didn't have consensus. both viewpoints are areflected in the notes. some members felt officers should view the video prior to writing a incident report and others felt they should not and will hear from members of the group at the end of the presentation so you can hear their own thoughts and get those different opinions. on july 14 the body camera group met again. this is our 4th meeting working off our new draft we
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discussed the viewing of body worn camera recordings. documentation. the storage and use of recordings. the duplication of distribution. the retention and discovery of potential misconduct. the actual topic of the viewing of the body worn camera recordings span 2 separate meetings so that fsh a continuation of the previous third meeting. also, on the 13 of july i had received a letter of recommendation and suggestion frathe aclu. that was the day prior to the meeting and it didn't give us sufficient time to dejust those recommendation so put it on the next meeting to read the letter and adjust the recommendation. on the 28
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we met for our 5th meeting and talked about and discussed the issue of viewing recordings. we continued the discussion about whether a officer should be allowed to view the video not only before writing a police report but for being interviewed for a administrative or criminal investigation. then we also discussed the aclu letter. the group as a whole had concerns for one particular portion of the letter that stated that the working group hasn't delivered on the traenz paerns and full public debate and community engagement needed for a important issue. the majority of the group [inaudible] this is a public prosand continued to be as transparnt as policy and putting the documents forward and knowing the process of having sth public meetings
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as president ofts mentioned is important to working towards all the transparency behind the process. inviting it is important to note member thofz aclu didn't attend the meetings. they sent letters but didn't attend the working group meetings. on august 11 we met for our 6ths and final meeting. we again talked about the viewing of body worn camera record squgz continued the discussion of what constituted a investigation and this represented the second major point where we didn't have consensus of what constituted a investigation and how that played into viewing of a video and whether or not a officer should be allowed to view the video and that is the other area that we will have a opportunity to hear from members of the group after the
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presentation. we talked about retention. this was a area where we did have a slight split in terms of the number of years of retention. the majority of the group felt 2 year retention time for recording was a minimum. originally in the working document we recommended 1 year but we-what the group agreed to is a comprehensive cast benefit analysis should be conducted upon whatever the selection is of whatever system we go to and we know the cost of that data storage and to look at the long term storage of a year versus 2 years and we are talking about routine video, we are not talking about video that is tagged to be stored as a result of a criminal case or homicide or lawsuit or citizen
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complaint. we felt that will definitely require a cost benefit analysis when we do ultimately select a particular system. in addition on our last meet ging director hix presented the office of inspector general for the nypd report on body cameras which had just been released at the time and mentioned it was important to add and include in the packet for the commission review so we included that and will find that in your packet as well as the other documents. and we updateed or draft policy there at that meeting to refleekt the new and final date of august 11. at that time, we had gone through what we felt were all the old topics of the body worn cam raw policy. we
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had vetted all the issues and had a thorough and robust debate on those issues. reviewed best practices and policies and at that time we felt that it was time to vote and decide whether or not we wanted to-it was time to present this to the commission, to you. so i'm happy to say we voted and had a unanimous vote and you can see the numbers who were present on the screen and voted. myicism and commander osullivan. officer booth and [inaudible] officer nukeer from the asian peace officer [inaudible] mr. yang from the poa, director hix from occ. mrs. gill community representative. deputy public defender mrs. rubecka young and mrs. grant from dhr. as i
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mentioned we had 2 sections where the group did not reach consensus. when officers are allowed to view the video and when are they allowed to view the video and should they be allowed to view the video prior to writing a incident report. should they not be allowed to view it or onlt when they are a part of a criminal investigation [inaudible] also what constitutes a immediate investigation and immediate administrative investigation and how does that play out into the viewing of the video. at this time i would like to ask a couple members of the group to come up and give a few words on their thoughts. i think we'll start with mrs. rubucka young from the public defenders office. >> thank you commander. good
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evening mrs. young. first i really want to thank commissioner loftus for allowing the public defender to be part of the working group. i also want to thank commander mogesier. commander ocellven, deputy chief allee and sergeant killshah. i found the welcome to be gracious. the debate to be respectful and the entertainment of opposing viewpoints to be very much emblematic of the democratic process so i want plesantly surprised and thought the commanders and the working group members from the various poa were gracious and welcoming so it was a pleasure to be part
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of the working group. i think-i prepared a couple notes just because it helps me be brief. as you know i'm a attorney so i can [inaudible] i'm not confined. so, while the working group accomplished a great deal and worked diligently producing a draft policy, it is my opinion that we should not too early congradulate our suvls on a job well done. with recognition and respect by the deadline set, we voted on august 11 to send this drauftd to the commission for deliberation. however, we would be foolish to think the work of creating a comprehensive well analyzed policy isblushed. in saying this i'm not just concerned of the important areas where consensus was not reach, but here in what is the most
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beautiful city in the country and what is the most expensive city to rent a apartment, indeed a city that has bein xh a artery of silken volley, it is important every government agency particularly those charge would public trust have policies that are evolved to a degree that shows attention to detail and [inaudible] integration of completing interest. the state goals of any body worn program are to demonstrate law enforcement commitments to transparency, insure accountability of its members, increase the publics trust in police officers. 4, protect the members from unjustified complaints and 5, insure the effective and rigorous use of body worn cameras and adherence to the
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the program. these are the stated goals of the san francisco police department baudsy worn cam raw daft policy and mentioned in the opening paragraph. yet, specific policies set forth in this draft would not only fail to advance these goals, they would acktdively twart them and i'll refer to subsections, one is subsection e, termination of recording. that is on page 3 of the draft policy t. this is not footnoted, it is a area particular in e 1 and e 2 that convert 2 broad and too much discession in the officer and the reason this is controversial is because i think what i learned from the working group is when you are talking about removing discession from a police officer, you are treading in
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dangerous waters so it needs to be more thuryly discussed and more specifically detailed. the way it is written now is too broad and ildefined. for instance, if we look at number 2 after receiving a order from a higher ranking member, there is no guidance as to when, how, what does the higher ranking member have to do to document his or herords order? under what circumstances does the higher ranging member get to make this order. are there restriction on the higher ranking member or is it just when the higher ranking member wants to. this is a-air aof the draft policy is simply vague. if you are to contrast it for example how details and specific the policy gets in subsection c which is on page 2 where it says authorized use it
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is very details and specific and the guidance is clear. what it can really do when you get this specific and detailed is it can shut down a tax and -attacks and criticism that you haven't fallowed a policy so it seems we can do better with respect to subdivision e, termination of recording. i also find item 1 in subdivision e, discussing tactical or law enforcement information away from a citizen, i find that similarly broad and ildefined. the next area which i think needs to be developed further and i know that is going to be tasked to the commission, but i-in this particular area, subdivision f, the viewing of
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body worn camera recordsings i urge the commission to [inaudible] body worn cameras for the new york city police department who rolled out their body camera program december 2, 2014 and they did it in 6 specific districts in new york city and at the end of 6 months, they conducted a review base any what they called a audit and they interviewed over 50 police officers who had the cameras and the supervisors and looked a that retention policy and storage and prepared this extensive detailed report and the reason i find it more valuable say than the oakland police apartment or la police department policy is because it is review and analysis of what
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is already been done. what about the body worn camera program is working? what needs to be improved? what parts of the policy need to be rethought? i thought it would be very beneficial to access that information and that audit prior to finalizing the policy for san francisco. so, as to subdivision f 1 at the bottom of page 3, i would highly recommend we make the carve outs a separate section. the carve outs are buried in paragraph 1 and it starts with the word, accept. when the subject of a investigation in any of the following circumstances that were captured by the body worn camera. i think it is really more than a parenthesis and
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think it should be its own subsection. the other aspect is and it is kind of slid in there at the very bottom, the very last paragraph it says, for the above listed circumstances which where the carve outs, the department administrative or criminal investigator will coordinate the member or legal representative to arrange the viewing of the camera recording prior the members interview. so this section lows a officer to view the body worn camera recording of his or her involvement in a shooting or death prior the her interview with the department investigator. this is a area of notice controversy and a area clearly and expressly
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addressed by the office of inspector general report for the new york police department. i think we can all agree that a comprehensive body worn camera policy must maintain fairness between citizen complaints, general policy and law enforcement agencies. the officer of inspector general of the new york police department recommended when officers become subjects of a internal or external complaint or investigation regarding potential misconduct they should not be purmtd today view the footage of the relevant incident until after providing a statement. this makes common sense. more important than making common sense, it comports with the stated
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reasons behind having body cameras in the first place which is insure accountability, to instill public trust in police officers, to protect police officers from unjust complaints and to foster accountability. if we were to look at the reverse, there are many times when sit citizens or sus spects are on camera deing something. they are never allowed to look at the video footage of themselves on camera before being subjected to interrogation by police officers so how is this different? file misconduct complaint shouldn't be permitted to view body worn camera footage of the relevant incident until after they provided a statement to police
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investigator. parody in these provisions help tooz insure fairness and preserves the integrity in the investigative process. again, the stated policy and the reason for body worn cameras is transparency and accountability. these are expressly stated goals. the goals are th warted that denies public access but allows a police officer to view body worn camera footage prior to a interview with internal affairs or someoneential from the investigative process. there are papers which discuss when an officer should be allowed to
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view footage prior to writing a report and this is a particular area where i think a lot of people talk about stuff without really understanding the area at all. i don't think there could be a one size fits all policy. i don't think that the policy can say an officer can never view the footage or a officer could always view the footage. i think it depends on the situation and i don't think it is too difficult for the commission or eve frn the working group if we have taken more time to have evolved the policy to fit the specific situations. for instance, an officer involved shooting, officer-discharge of fire arm whether it results in injury or death or not, where a officer has arrested someone and charged that individual with
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battery, assault, violent interference with the duty of executive officer. [inaudible] i think you know the penal codes [inaudible] any of those are in the same genre where the officer is a witness and/or a victim. in those situations there should never be a allowance to view the body worn camera footage prior to the officers interview with internal affairs. in situations where the officer is not a victim but is writing what is known as a on view report, in other words he is driving on the streets and sees nng and pulls over and isn't
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respondsing to dispatch but is watching something occur, the officer should be allowed to view the bod a worn footage after writing his report and if necessary write a supplemental report. in situations where the aufsher is respondsing to dispatch to a citizen report of a robbery or burglary or domestic violence and as they take statements of victims and witnesses, the officer should always be allowed to view the body worn camera footage prior to writing his report because the officer is nearly the reporter and so i can see where it would aid the officer especially to say to not have to write down every word that a particular witness said and
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that is when and where completeness and accuracy in the writing of a police report becomes a concern and consideration that makes sense for the officer to review the footage. in the other situations it really needs to be tailored. so, these were not discussed to the detail i'm presenting but it seems to take the position of, they should never be allowed to view the footage ever under any circumstances falls into the same trap of, well, they should always be allowed to view the footage. i think we have to think about what the work of a police officer is and how viewing, review and viewing of the footage fits the stated
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goals of the policy so where the stated goals of the policy are accountability and transparency and protecting a officer with unjustified complaipts, we need to taylor this section of the policy to fit those goals. thank you. >> thank you. >> can i ask a question? i just want to get a understanding because i heard a number of things. i realize there are things you did not get consensus. did i also you raise some areas which there was disagreement and the consensus-you're personally
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disagreeing with? you don't have to go back to each one. >> i'm not sure what you mean by personal. >> i know there was things the group didn't come to consensus about >> commanded mogesier pointsed out those areas >> as you went further were there also things that you personally did not agree with? >> yes, so in- >> and then did i also hear you say there were things you felt there were not enough in depth discussion about? >> correct. >> i'm trying to see the scope of the working group and was it confined by time because i heard you say that you consulted all these other standing policies out there from a number of different sources about body cameras >> i understand your confusion.
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the oig-nypd report we received on the next to last meeting or the last meeting. was it august 11? it was the last meeting so sitting in the meeting on august 11 what i did is read the summary and then afterwards after we voted to send the policy forward to the commission, i read the entire report which is quite lengthy and detailed and takes a little time to study and think about and it was through reading the report that i realized our policy could be better. it could be more detailed in areas. we read thes other police department policy but we have not done this yet. >> i mr. only raising this because i know you are [inaudible] and you had all these other ways of doing this
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from a number of sources and all these other places. i'm curious do you feel you just couldn't come to a consensus around a number of things you were talking about because you didn't have the time or you didn't agree with the way they do it and want to craft something specific for san francisco? >> i think it is a little of both. i definitely feel we wanted to respect the deadline and so we just agreed to disagree on these 2 specific areas pointed out by commander mogesier and subsequently i think about 2 weeks ago commander mogesier sent out the final draft policy and i was reading it through and reading it through in comparison to the other documents and thought we could make ours a lot better.
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>> it just seems to me >> there are oles other people from the the working group so if you have questions about the process too-- >> it seems we are left with a lot of maybe that will happen in the natural course of the process. that is why i am trying to figure out-- >> i don't want to get eggs and tomatoes thrown at me but i'm open to you sending us back the table. i'm sure there are some that will be really pissed off. >> thank you for your perspective. >> thank you mrs. young. now i would like to invite mrs. jonathan yang and president marty [inaudible] up to say a few words. >> good evening. my name is
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marty halren and president of san francisco police officers association. with me is jonathan yank. also with us tonight is the secretary of poa mike neven in the audience. we had representative attend all the working group meetings and want to eco what commander mogesier said and thank everyone who participated in the meetings. i won't name them all but appreciate the hard work they put into this especially from the command staff, members from the public defenders office and dhr and human right commission and the [inaudible] it was a spirited debate at times but believe we
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made substantial progress to get that draft here before you based on your timeline. i also want to eco what commander mogesier said, i know there was a invite sent to the aclu, all these meetings were open #d to the public and announce td prior and it was disappointing that the aclu didn't send a member to the working group meetings. so, what we have-what you have before you here a lot of work from a lot of people who are dedicated to make sure this policy is the best policy we could forward at this time. i don't believe there is anyone in this room or watching onative who would nolt agree it is important for any police officer in all jurisdictions to produce the most accurate, thorough and complete report whether it be a initial incident report, a statement based on a initial
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report, a supplemental report or a interview a officer will provide after the most critical incident being a officer involved shooting or in custody death. part of the policy right now within the san francisco police department is that in front line investigator first responding officers are required and directed to go out and seek any video footage from any criminal act that may have occurred they are called out to or with a on view and that can be a commercial establishment in the city, city property that may have cameras or a citizen that may be taking video footage. often times the officers are caught in the footage but the preliminary investigation the officers are directed to view this footage before they submit their initial incident report. now, there is a number of issues the
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deputy public defender mrs. young touched on but i would like to focus on one now before i turn it over to our attorney jonathan yang. i would like to focus on iii subsection f, the viewing of the body camera recordings. mrs. young touched on a lot of that but i would like to advice the commission that there has been a long practice here in san francisco when we have an officer involved shooting or in custody death with the members, they are not required to provide a voluntary statement to the homicide investigator or there investigator from the disric attorneys but the poa aurfed to giver that statement rather than give a compelled staim. i'm sure you are aware of this
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and the chief is aware of this, but if our members are not allowed to view this critical footage before providing that voluntary statement to the homicide investigators, the attorneys that are representing my members will more than likely advice those members not to provide that voluntary statement. we have a very transapparent system here in san francisco, more so than a lot of agencies in the state of california ore throughout the country. our members are not forced to provide that statement during a investigation of a officer involved shooting unless they're compelled under a ia administrative investigation. but, the only-i don't recall in my 15 years being involved in the poa where a member has not provided a voluntary statement to the investigators after a officer involved shooting or in custody death. there was a incident that occurred 2 years
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ago where a individual from the district attorneys office was not going to allow the member to view the footage before that member gave a statement. the attorney doing what that attorney is supposed to do and protecting the members rights under peace officer bill of rights adviceed the member would not provide a voluntary statement. this ha hadn't happened and so there was back and force and then the member was allowed to view the foot squj that statement was given. i want to compare what we do here to what happens in la. in la they are direct ed not to provide a voluntary statement of any officer involved shooting or in custody eth. death. internal affairs comes
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enand they take over the investigation and they are the lead on a investigation and they compel a statement which cannot be used later if criminal conduct was there. i don't think we want that here in san francisco. i see our members being very cooperative, very transparent cht i don't want to see us going backward so believe it is critical that those officers on a routine report be allowed to view their own body worn camera footage as well as it footage we have in here or any other public building or commercial establishment or even citizens i phonesism in a auchser involved shooting i agree with the public defender the member should not be allowed to view it until that member has legal representation with them and viewed in the presence of the
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investigation that is conducted by the homicide bureau and office of citizen complaints and attorneys office and any number of investigators conducting that investigation. that is a point i wanted to point out and i believe we have shown a great deal of cooperation on these investigations because i believe our members get it right and i don't want to see us turning back the clock and turning into a agency such as lapd-they are a fine agency but believe wree more transparent here. speaking of lapd, they just rolled outd their cameras in the last 72 hours for a pilot program for 600 officers. the policy for lapd is their members shall view body worn camera footage before they
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write any incident report or statement or provide a interview. the policies out of san diego and san jose and oakland are similar. their members have the tonight or they shall view that footage before they write their reports. i believe that is the best policy, i believe that is the best practice and believe that should be in the draft and voted on by the commission going forward. now, mrs. young did speak to individuals who are accused of criminal activity not allowed to view footage, but i have never seen those accused of criminal activity submitting any official report under the penty of perjury. our members are helds to a higher standard andment to make sure they submit a complete thury and accurate report and have other representatives from the other
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peg groups. i won't speak for the peg groups but at the working group meetings we were on the same page and that is the officer for justice, asian and latin peace officer association, pride alliance and women network. i wanted to touch on section f and believe it should remain in the draft as is. i will turn it over to jonathan yang unless you have questions for me. >> can i ask about our policy. i feel what is helpful to me is if we identify the areas of disagreement and i would invite follow up letters or addendments to what we have but we are not deciding anything tonight >> do you have questions about the issues that are framed. great mind think alike so you have a opportunity- >> are there other areas within
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the drarft report and other sections the poa has disagreement or additional viewpoints. >> yes we do and our attorney mr. yank will address those. >> jonathan yank. i'm one of the attorneys that works there fr the poa. i represent the poa in various capacities. i have 2 points, one is procedural points and the other subsstantative. on behalf of the poa i attended all but one of the working group meetings. i viewed my role as a observer but did my best to provide insight of the poa where i thought it might be helpful. the reason i want to distinguish my involvement with the working group in the poa [inaudible] yet to occur.
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pursuant to california government code and city charter and administrative code the city is required to barg wn the poa over policy language where it has a impact on working conditions and want to state that process has not occurred on the poa reserves the right to bargain with the sit a over language this commission may adopt. we made this point clear throughout the process with the working group and the department command staff and represents from department of human resources acknowledged that process and that it will occur in the future. the second point is building upon what marty halren said and i will do my best not to repeat in areas because there is overlap but one of the areas where there is disagreement is whether
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officers should bow allowed to view their own camera footage and in one circumstances. one of the concerns people seem to express in allowing officers to view footage is somehow in viewing the footage they are motivated to report les honestly. that is a little bit of a head scratching for me when you are viewing video that will inform you what happen but more importantly i'm not aware and nobody presented evidence that will aer can. evidence suggests it will lead to more accurate and honest reporting. dan [inaudible] professor of psychology at usc offered a article in the la times. watching body camera footage
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should reduce dishonesty [inaudible] when the footage [inaudible] officers would feel emboldened to present their actions honestly and confidently. it is porpt to consider the detrimental consequencess of video that contained relevant to their conduct. psychologist [inaudible] likewise researchers have shown institutionalized distrust can foster cynicism [inaudible] more over, depriving officers of the right to view video before they write reports will set up for failure. [inaudible] in the end, the use of body
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cameras should reduce the use of forth and lessen the need and opportunity to lie about it. encouraging evidence that supports this is established and conducted with police departments in the field. those are the words of dan simon, professor of law in psychology usf in a recently published article. i would point out the aclu itself in the july 13 letter doesn't take the position that officer should be presented from viewing footage before making reports. let's not lose site of the critical importance of incident reports particularly those reports be complete and accurate 6789 . the san francisco police department is a law enforcement agency. [inaudible] jumping off point for criminal investigations for them to be as effective as
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possibly they need to be complete and accurate. presenting officers for viewing footage [inaudible] ultimately deprive law enforcement of a effective tool. so, all that being said, the poa is -understands the usefulness of body worn cameras and that was why the poa was involved at this stage and on to the commissions consideration and the [inaudible] >> thank you. any questions for mr. yank? thank you. >> thank you president halren and mr. yank. at this point i would like to open to any other members of the group who would like to make additional
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comments. >> commander mogesier i too would like to thank commander mogeser and his co-chairs for their very thoughtful and professional conduct of the body camera working group and also the other members of the body camera working group and i won't go through the names again, but as commander mogesier stated, we met from june-august considering the many points of view we did reach consensus on so many areas of the draft department general order but there were 2 main policy areas that merge into one policy consideration and that is a circumstances under which a officer is
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procluded from viewing footage of a incident before giving a statement. whether an officer was the subject or witness officer. then mrs. young has raised some additional points about clarifying language and making sure that we are very thoughtful-that the police commission is very thoughtful in the process before finally adopted department general order. i know there are questions about why some of these issues were not raised earlier and what occurred was that in late july, phillip [inaudible] who is the former director of the washington dc office of police complaints is now the inspector general of the new york police department,
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theubeer civilian overvite everything. in late july he released this report and it was the first of the kind and it was not something the group considered during its deliberation. phillip [inaudible] not only evaluated the pilot program that was body camera program operated in new york but also looked for best practices throughout the country. now, commander mogesier and other co-chair carefully gathered the information that was available at the time but all of it was from either law enforcement agency or from the research organization perf, that is a
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law enforcement oriented research organization and that is, it is not to belittle all the work perf does, i very much relied on that report as well, but finally to have a-something that was the first of its kind from the new york police department inspector general just added more information for us to consider. when i too agree you can't have a one size fits all of when a officer reviews the video camera footage but what i would like to do is just address a couple comment that have been made and perhaps tongue in cheek but at the police commission august 19 meeting when i first addressed this commission on the occ belief that additional limitation should be placed on
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when a officer could view the video, chief suhr responded we shouldn't play gotia with these video jz that caused me pause because when the occ conducts its administrative investigation it doesn't do so with the intent to trick officers or trick complainant but what we do is make findings based on the preponderance of the evidence including the complaintants and officer and statements. i would like to quote from the nypd inspector general report on page 28 where it says, allow officers to review their recordings during active internal investigation, overvite proceedings or
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ininquiry oof serious use of force can impact integrity. further quoting the report, body worn camera footage has no limitation on focus, attention or recollection and may capture an event the aufsers themselves did perceive, did not observe or could not reasonably recall exposing officers to event to which they may not have been pirfby of the time effects the ability of investigator to assess the aifsers appraisal och the circumstances which led him or her to take the action under investigation. the occ recommends that in addition to the limitations aurlds already in the daft department around criminal and immediate investigation there be
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additional language which provides which a officer is notified by the occ or in[inaudible] the officer may not be permitted to view any recordsings. then after give thg statement the officer should be permitted to view the video and offer a supplemental statement explaining the difference between what the officer testified to and what is on the video. most importantly for fairness when determining truthfulness any inconsistency between what is on the video and what the officer recalled needs to be viewed under the standard of the officers initant materiality. matters not involved immediate investigation, which a officer
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prepares a report the officer should first prepare it without viewing the video and mrs. young talked about specific situations where exceptions need to be made and i agree. then be permitted in those situations where it is prohibited to prepare a supplemental report. to conclude i would like it thank again all the working group members, the members of sfpd and civilian city and county of san francisco employees and most porntsly the community members, the members from the public defenders office, the bar association of san francisco and we didn't always agree but were never
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disagreeable. >> thraunk director hix. i see questions >> i just also wanted it thank the working group and particularly the way everybody met all the deadlines. when we met on the first day everybody pulled together and was very respectful as the commission president says reasonable mind can disagrew. as i said in august it would be the wish of the department-not to take away from the policy makers-the officers be allowed to view the video. the officers do their job in real time. often times things take place in seconds that they will be questioned about for months or years to come in cort cases or litigation. if a officer is faces in one direction and sees
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something in another direction and something is captured or not i don't think is fair to had officer they are put as a disadvantage to them and have to explain why something is or submit there. i think the point made by the attorney that if you put these on the officers with the message that it is because we don't trust them to start with, we are not getting off on the right foot where the officers will embrace this new technology for best evidence and police report and all the good things that go with reduction in force and complaints. to that end i think we need to go forward transparntly on both sides of the issue and everyone is on their best behavior and should we come across something down the line where we need to make a condition on something or where there is a approval to do
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x before y that can play out as it has in other policies like in the la police department policy. we can get to that where we can put in the policy different circumstances, but by in large i think it is the best interest of everybody the officers be allowed to use these cameras so it is transparent both ways >> i have a question and i appreciate both sides. i understand we are in uncharted waters and this is new territory for us and i understand there may be a extra step involved when the comes to officer involved shootings or in custody arrests whether you revie the vid wroe before or after. what i hear the occ
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saying is you agree with the new york one when it come to officer involved shooting or in custody death they write the report first. that is something to look into. i look at this, do you also recommend for use of force. there is also for use of force. >> it is also for use of force with serious injuries but the point that the oig report was making was when there are disciplinary proceedings that while the officer may have viewed the video at some earlier time, when the officer gets the notice there will be a disciplinary proceeding whether it comes from internal affairs
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bureau or ccrb which is analogous to the occ, that the officer cannot view the video then. once the officer gives the statement, then the officer can look at the video again and then prepare supplemental. >> you are just talking bedisciplinary cases not initially if it is ois or in custody death or use of serious injury. whether they can review a [inaudible] >> there are 2 separate issues but i also agree that when it comes to those serious issues, the in custody death and officer involved shootings or criminal investigation that the officer not view the video in advance of giving a statement. >> thank you.
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>> vice president turman >> i want to thank the working group and i want to thank commissioner loftus for making this commission take a very hard look at this policy and setting up a process where we are going to thuryly review and vet and take into consideration. i'm interested to hear what members thof public have tosay blt the draft policy and certain provisions. commander mogesier i will back up a little bit and change the focus here a little bit from section f and go back to section e for a moment, which is on the termination of recordings. actually let me back up even further. the section-you said there was a
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disagreement or discussion around when recordings should take place and you said there were 2 scenarios. all the time they are on duty and then when specific incidence occur that are listed and the dgo list the incident but there are actually 3, correct? there is all the time someone is on duty, during -any time they engage with the public while they are on duty and the third level is during the specific incident. those represent 3 different levels, not 2 and we have gone for in this draft the third. why not the second one, any time someone engages with a member of the public.
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>> sure, that is a good question. so, many instances where a officer engages with member of the public throughout the day that are not related to a crime. there are situations where individuals ask for directions. there are situations where we interact with children. there are situations where we simply have conversations with people in a neighborhood. those would be technically would they be police contact? yes. do we feel-did the group feel those would require a oser or should require a ufs officer to activate a camera and record? >> the issue is you don't know whether or not a incident will occur even in the most friendly of circumstances until the completion of that interaction.
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if you ever had thanksgiving [inaudible] pass the rolls is a pleasant conversation but you should see thou is. i don't mean the make light of situations but you never know how certain things will turn out when there is a interaction and so there just seems to be a level of assumption that it wone turn into something >> we talked about that and if you look in the actual-section c, under number 8, any citizen encounter that becomes hostile or turns, the other-any time a routine conversation would move
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into a area that would be covered by this policy just because a officer didn't turn on the camera doesn't mean they can't turnl on the camera and shouldn't turn on the camera. also we stalked about technology of the cameras and that typically the cameras have a 30 second buffer where thrai are recording over each other in a loop and i don't know all f all the cameras do that, i know some of them do where they record 30 seconds in a loop for that very reason so it records backwards so you will capture that first 30 seconds. if something starts to change and the officer turns it on we didn't lose the 30 seconds before and can pick that up and capture it when it comes into a area where we shall turn it on. >> i also noticed in the aclu
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white paper they said their position was developed over time. what they said is what mrs. young said, have clear times where you shall turn it on and make that clear but you lose a lot if everyone feels like they are on camera all the time. just for walk around and doing the neighborhood police work we want you to do. >> the aclu's position was the middle tear opposed to the bottom tear, correct? this sadis sadis cushion we can have later >> it evolved to a carefully prescribed list. >> just to get-i agree with mrs. young on some of the vagueness and discorrectionary
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terms in e one and 2 but those are areas we can define. is it not what the intent is there? it seems those should be more carefully crafted and defined. >> let's talk about number 1, we are talking about tactical or law enforcement information. if we were disussing tactics like say swat team tactics that wouldn't be something we want to record. we wouldn't want to be recording that discussion along with the higher ranking officer, that leaves room for a higher ranking officer if there is any situation where a officer would fall into a
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situation where it is prohibited boy the policy you want to have a section that allows a higher ranking officer to say turn that camera office because it is a violation of this policy so we need to put in a mechanism to account for that so that is the thought process behind it. >> i think i would like to hear more of what the public has to say but it is a interesting discussion and wish i had attended these group meetings >> thank you for what you have done, it was very ambitious and very transparents and moved this forward. doctor marshal and i and commissioner dejesus
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[inaudible] as attorneys we spot the issue and we figured out the issue tonight is when can the officer review the video prior to writing the report. there is the issue. the-as the chief said, there is this-there is a got chuissue of what do you want the officer to do so kierious to hear what the public has to say. we herds from mrs. young and [inaudible] are both defense council so i know what you like to do is discredit your witness and the best way to do that is if there is inaccurate statements. as prosecuteers you want the evidence as clear as it can be. the poe is here to protect the
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members and protect therectomies of the officers but is there a member here tonight from the general public who participated in this and would like to hear their opinion and will hear what is their poirns as to whether the officer should have a opportunity to review the video prior to writing the report because my concern is what we'll get into is where the officer will write a report saying i was dispatch today the scene for this call and when i arrived please see the video. is there someone from the public here tonight to talk about that from the working group? >> i believe mrs. gill was our representative and don't believe she was able to attend tonight. i would like to add that in that discussion and those comments would be included in our minutes and notes. >> anything else further.
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commissioner dejesus >> this is a good start and think it does need tweaking and think the new york report talks about clarity being helpful. the first thing it says for thaufsers in new york reasonable suspension isn't helpful for the officers on the street. i think there are areas we can make things clearer and don't know if this is a time to ask questions because i have questions on a lot of different sections. i don't know if you have speakers. if you look at section c, authorized use >> is now the time to jump into these questions? >> if any members of the group i want to make sure we had that opportunity. >> okay. >> i agree. lookic at section
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c, i notice the la, bart and oakland bart and san diego and la when they talk about all members equipted shall activate equipment prior to initiating the following circumstances on the others but on ours says shall 96iate equipment. it doesn't give [inaudible] 3 different department said telling their people it is prior to these following circumstances. i think that good language so it isn't during or after or the middle. i think there is tweaking you can do. i noticed other departments have turning on the equipment for vehicle pursuits and do have vehicle pursuitess in the city. since we don't have cameras in the cars there
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are other departments that say if you turn it on for foot pursuits and i know it doesn't say turn it on for use of force and know safety is a issue in terms when they can but look at number 8 and says becomes hostile and don't understand why we don't say for any use of force and be specific there. that is a area i would like discussion and have other areas. i don't know if i give them all now? >> what we are doing here is the other side of transparency is you are seeing [inaudible] and this is the point. this is the point is commissioner dejesus and your questions. i think we are at the stage of what is the thinking and can identify is this a item you discussed or is this in a bucket of things with the meetings and aggressive
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timeline that was missed because the goal is not to do that. i think it makes sense for you to to- i heard 2 things i sure the commander has a response about whether they were deliberated on or not and what the discussion was. >> the use of force issues incidence and i'll do my best to represent the entire group, but use of force incidence would fall under detention or arrest, attempting to make a detention along with foot pursuit. we talked about the vehicle pursuits and we thought about the actual mount thofg camera and what footage that way capture dependent on where the camera is mounted. if it is chest level it will catch a steering wheel so it is dependent on what type of
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camera package we chose. that is something that could be added if we have the capability to capture the pursuit versus a camera video taping a steering wheel. those issues were talked about and discussed. the thought process was that officers would be activating cameras or required to activate cameras during any of these incidence. that being at the beginning or onset of the incident. we can put in the language that as soon as the incident occurs or as soon as practical to activate it. >> my recollection is in earlier draft we had the word prior to and it was discussed. it was discussed, those words
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prior to were specifically discussed and one reason i remember it bowing eliminated, i don't have all the drafts with me tonight, is because of the discussion of the advance equipment which allows the recording to be going and it will preserve the initial portion prior to a detention. it just seemed that-what i remember some members of the various poa's raising is what if you don't know that something is about-like you are about to make a vehicle stop and then you get criticized or in trouble for not turning it on prior to the vehicle stop? it just seemed to be, you know, kind of is it making it too complicated and making it too-is it setting the officer up perhaps for not having done
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something prior to? do you know what i'm saying? >> you will make the vehicle stop-it seems reasonable you turn it on and give them clear direction and they in the middle of the vehicle stop and have no opportunity to turn it on. when it doesn't go on what will hap toon a officer. we have a officer who dozen turn it on because he doesn't realize it is prior to and in the middle of something we have a issue and i would like to be proactive. circumstances may occur where they can't turn it on and thipg you addressed that for officer safety but i would rather be inclusive and if it doesn't work and the camera is too low [inaudible] i think use of force is a very clear term and prior too gives clear direction. i also want to
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point out something i noticed in the new york and la one they talked about having consequences and new york says now 6 months in let's talk about consequences of not turning it on. let's talk about who can release it and if it is released do you have consequencess for it being releasedism talking about administrative action and they define it in the la, it says serious misconduct. i didn't see any consequences attached so it doesn't have teeth and think it should. when it comes to turning on or off, they have your supervisor saying giving leeway whether it is a accidents or what or retaining issues but there is a conduct of not turning it on there should beconsequences and that should be spelled out.
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>> hat is a third issue. i give guidance to keep track of the issue because it is ours now. keep track if there suggestions. i heard you have a third issue which is a question i had also so was that discussed to be clear of the consequences? >> i don't want a officer to say we get in trouble for that. >> i was going say the violation of any general order makes them subject to discipline. >> i get the general context but the white paper talks about letting them cloe. you train them and they should know if this is conduct that can bring them up on charges. i know we
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have all that but here we should tell what the consequences are. one of the white papers talk about the complains rate is only 30 percent. i think part is because they don't understand there can beconsequences from the actions. i think clear and consize and give-i'm curious to see what you talked about where w the working group. >> i want to point out a couple things. under section g which is documentation, it talks about when members fail to activate or deactivate during a contact or reactivate during a contact the documentation needed to say, why did you do this which we felt was important and then regarding the discipline of failing to adhere it policy was exactly as
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the chief mentioned that all of our poss are covered under a 2.01 rules of general conduct on policies and the failure to adhere to any policy would make a-i thipg page 3 or 4 in the la 1 have specific paragraphs saying if you don't do this or don't comply with this it is considered misconduct. i think-let's be straight with everybody. i think it is page 3, section 7 for confidental nature. if it is released of this video or other violation of [inaudible] subject to disciplinary action. let the people know and there are other different paragraphs the one
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under it saying any violation is considered serious misconduct. i don't see why we can't be forright and put it in there. >> we can have a cover sheet to the the order that can say as with all general orders-i think i can look it up but i imagine since they use serious misconduct if it falls under serious miscublt in la that may get you into a different category but i'll check and find out from chief beck. >> so i think-i do agree with some of the public defenders in terms of giving guidance to when and hoy a supervisor can tell someone to turn it off. that is all my comments.
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>> thank you. commissioner hwang. >> i want to thank mrs. young and officer [inaudible] for discussion around enf. i'm trying to figure the big categories we are missing or disagreement on and as i was reading the policies in the reports of the other areas, some oaf the big categories b it seems notification is something brought up in the report about being a important thing i don't know if that was discussed as a category that civilians should be notified prior to the reporting if possible. i thank you retention was a big issues and seems the retention issue should be tied into statute of limitation or occ reports thmpt other big cart gore the right review and then categorization of the videos themselves. one
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of the departments stated that marks regular every day encounters vurss ones that should be tagged with the result that every day encounters that don't result in incident should be deleted within 7 days or a few weeks. category f around contact with victims of sexual assault, connected to the idea. entry into peoples homes and there was a suggestion, a best practice is it should be terminated only on the victims request. they can be advised on tape and they can choose to terminate. the final question i have is directed a that city attorney is how much is
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sunshineable and that informs the privacy aspect. not looking for answers but those are the buckets i was thinking of in terms of our report versus the others and-my only question is there big categoriess of thijs we need to focus on still as we move forward? >> so, i think-i know that when the working group went through and when drafted the policy we tried to address all the bucket squz looked at all the main bucket components of a body camera policy and thereat is where we got the draft that we have today. we felt all these areas are all important and all need to be address ed and talked about and that is what we attempted to do. >> my question may be addressed to the other members of the
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working group if they see there are other things that may be missing. is there something else we need to focus on in the next couple weeks before we vote on the policy >> we are not voting on this policy. just so everybody is clear, in 2 weeks we'll have our first public meeting and the same draft is shared with thepublic and they can give their opinion everybody gets their time, then wealver a meeting in october to make sure everybody has a voice in the process. after those 2 meetings are done then we come back here and we'll have a discussion that will be agendized and the public will know, we'll have a discussion. the idea is we are in the
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middle of the process and won't make had [inaudible] there will be another process that will continue and it will come back to us for final adoption. >> the areas that you pointed out commissioner hwang are gaping holes and this is just not done. it is just not finished and access to the footage is huge. public access to the footage. we have seen what happened in oakland when 2 people in different incidence were killed by police officers
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who were wearing body camera jz the footage isn't released and it was shon to member ozf the media but only with protective order so this created public out cry and conts versey and seems to go against the policies. it needs to be discussed and thought about. i don't think when does a officer get to review the footage, i don't think you can come at it with blanket assumptions and one size fits all approach. i thipg you need to think about why-i as even a life long public defender can think of reasons why certain footage shouldn't be released to the public, but discussion around these areas can be had and figured out. all the talent
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and intelligence and information is here, it just neesds to be formulated and written down. the other is notification. we discussed that. not at length but it was discussed. there were a lot of things we felt we had to move on and get to those other areas because we knew the issue of when a officer gets to review camera footage was going to take up a lot of time so there were certain things we skipped over. we did not discuss disciplinary action for non compliance with the policy. i think that needs-if this will be a dgo it needs to be part of it, right? especially when there is repeated instances of i forgot or i thought i turn td on or i turned it on and it wasn't working so all of that
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is part of a comprehensive policy. >> doctor joe. >> and just want to put in my turn. now i'm getting the picture so the working group gives the report and a lot to think about. for the next few months we are getting more to think about. i'm not getting anything new from anybody else. wree not getting anything written or [inaudible] it will come back to us and we take everything we gathered from the working group and the public and craft a policy. correct? i'm just-maybe i'm premature . at some point-only because we have done this in the past. it
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won't get smaller, it will get bigger because we'll getplore feedback and have our own working group inside the commission. that is something we have done before when we have a lot of stuff-i just say that is a possibility we create our own working group inside especially those that are very passionate about it. i'm just saying that could be a possibility when woe get to that stage. >> i appreciate it doctor joe. you have been on the commission for some time so [inaudible] you are the senior member? no. that practice worked, i think the thing that was very important in this process is that that-the public and folks from various groups have done work in this area and have thoughtful positions get together first and deliberate and see where we are and how apart folks are and the pointss
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are well taken we are looking for a good policy and recognize the urgency in the moment and expectation from the public that officers have body cameras. i think we want it balance those interest and i'm open to forming a smaller group. i think it is important we make a statement as a commission that this commission is hearing all this and this commission will have 2 entire commission meetings dedicated to the subject because i think the chief said before, body cameras will be the new normal and effect many people in san francisco and folks that don't know who sit in these chairs so i think that st. why we take the approach and think that is a good suggestion. >> i understand this is a very important policy and one of the things i want to ask of ourselves is not to hurry into something if it takes longer than the time we have allotted. i would rather take the time
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that make any errors. not that we won't because we have to try have test this but we have to be careful when we pass a policy it doesn't hurt people . it creates solutions. so i would like to think if we have a time when we are going to vote and that doesn't feel appropriate to do it then we'll take our time and move when we have done something that we ourselves feel very good about. >> i think that point is well taken and when we get to the point after hearing the feedback and having time to think about the issue squz hear from different fonegs if you feel you are not ready to vote you can make that point at the time. i do see my role as
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challenging us all, challenging us all in this moment to ask more of ourselves but not to be reckless. we also have dgo's where we spent 2 years on where i was told i'm being too fast. that is my point is you can count on me to continue to challenge us and move as fast and responsible as we can but make sure you hold me to that. other questions or comments from my fellow commissioners? >> thank you to the working group, great job. >> so, what i will say again to everyone about next steps and said this 100 times but will keep saying it, we'll have a public meeting september 16 for
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the purposes of everybody having the same versionism you wone see edits to this draft, everyone has the same draft t is on the website. the minutes of the working group are on the website so if you want to look at what the deliberation on a issue promote the public meetings. i see there are folks from officers for justice and i know sfpd has a twitter account and look that bar association. pride alliance is here. hope us promote this so we can get input from all the folks and that is it. i think that is our next step. commander mogesier, thank you. it was a mar thon presentation and thank you to everyone from the working group who came. >> we do have an agenda. let me get back to that. i'm
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going-any public comment on item number 5? mr. [inaudible] welcome >> commissioners, president loftus and director hix, chief suhr, i don't know cumanner mogesier very well but he is a very honorable man and honest [inaudible] what i can tell most of the people on the commission were honorable people. commissioner mazzucco made a good point about half of the commissioner who are officers trying to cover their butts and about the third of the commissioner were public defenders and those sorts that want to protect criminals and there is only one person representing the people. maybe you want to divide up the division of labor so there isn't one human being that [inaudible] 20 or so people represent thg other 5 percent
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effected by the policy. that doesn't seem like a good division of labor. the person i think her name was [inaudible] she better be spectacular because she is suppose today represent all the people. i don't think anyone is that great. number 2, i will skip that point. number 3, i xoe you say it was a open process but i'm a member of the public and i was aen aware of the prosand this is a process i was following very closely for years. whether your intention was to make it public or not i didn't feel involved. hopefully we'll be involved in the future sessions that will occur in the next month. the next thing i want to thank you president loftus for your unreezable dead lines.
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commissioner melara don't do it until you get it as close to right as you can. okay, the main flaw in these draft policies is section e 2, which says after receive agordser from a higher rank ing member. that means any higher [inaudible] it needs to specify what type of order superior officer gave [inaudible] just having a superior officer give an order should not turn off your camera. that is crazy! director hix, if the policy is not to have the badge cam footage immediately go to your office and the complaint the
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notice there is a complaint you haven't done your job so hopefully you push for that because if the occ doesn't get the footage immediately [inaudible] any time a officer is party to a contversity they shouldants be allowed to turn the badge off >> public comment. >> herbt wineer. i stated before this is my first police commission meeting and i will go out on a limb. i support the officer viewing his behavior on the camera before anything is done because one i think the officer would remember most is his emotional state. he has to balance it against what he did, how he acted and that allows him to view everything as a whole. i think this is extremely important whether it is right or whether it is wrong. i
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think is also for the officers peace oof mind because this can be a life and death situation for him and a life and death sicheration for member thofz community and that is why the use of lethal force was involved. in order to get a view behavior you have to review what you did because you can remember your emotional state. that is inmost vivid thing you will remember but as far as observing what you did, that is also important, so i support what the police policy is on that point. thank you. >> next speaker. >> good evening and thank you commissioners and members of the public. my name is star child. [inaudible] also on behalf of bay area civil
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liberties coalition which is a coalition of bay area groups defending sivl liberty [inaudible] groups like the media alliance, oakland privacy working group, restore the forest defending the forth amendment and a number of other groups. we want a strong a policy as possible holding prese officers accountable. this is des pritly fleeded in this country and the world today. i agroogree everything i heard rebucka young saying and glood she was part of the group. i'll second thcomment of the gentlemen who spoke before me, i was not aware of the working group happeningism members of the coalition to my knowledge were not aware of it. i didn't think the commission was stacked in favor of law enforcement. this is a
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problem. one representative from the public defenders office isn't enough to balance a working group like that. by that i mean independent civil liberties advocate organizations would like a seat at the table and if sthra labor process required by law that should be transapparent and open to the public as wem. a lot of public distrust comes from the fact these proceedings do not have adequate sunshine and public participation. i enotice a number of officers in the room and police chief all due respect sitting up here on your panel, it compromiseing the independents of the commission to the chief and have officers come in uniform.
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we the public are supposedly the ones in charge, these people working for us they should not have more of a role and say in the process than the public itself does. commissioner made a very good point about the policy not having any teeth. that is the main thing that i noticed looking at the draft policy is there are no consequences spelled out. they need to be spelled out and saying they can include the geneeral policy up to termination that isn't good enough. that is like saying if you enter this contest you can within up to 10 million dollars but within 5 dollars. there needs to be minimum policy and penalties for things like not having your camera on or for improperly handling footage. minimum consequences not just
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maximum. am i out of time? >> yes. any further public comment? hearing none public comment is closed. call the next line item >> 6, public comment on all matsers pertaining to 8 below closed session including whether to hold item 8 in closed session >> ladies and gentlemen we are going into closed session so any public comment on that? public comment on us going into closed session. well come back. >> what are you going into closed session for? i didn't catch that. >> we don't have-there is a agenda you can look at but go ahead. >> i served for 2 years on the
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board of the libertarian national committee and this is a problem not just here but too ovorganizations go into closed session when it isn't necessary so i wonder how necessary it is and remind you to be as open and transparent in everything you do as possible. i understand sometimes there are things that need to be done in closed session and hope this is one of them. thank you >> thank you. any further public comment? hearing none public comment is closed. call the next line item >> item 7 vote on whether to hold item 8 in closed session. >> do i have a motion? item 8 in closed session. all those in favor? opposed. motion passes. sergeant we are in
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>> we are back in open session. >> commissioner loftus you still have a quorum, item 9 vote to elect to disclose any
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or all discussion on item 8 a. >> do i have a motion? >> second. >> all in favor? opposed. motion passes. please call the next line item >>ite in 10 adjourn. ment >> do i have a motion adjourn? i would loo like taresend and invite commissioner dejesus. >> i would like to ask if the commission would adjourn this meeting in memory of my father. >> do i have a motion? >> i move that we adjourn in memory of commissioner dejesus
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father. >> second. >> all those in favor? >> aye >> we are adjourned in honor of mr. dejesus. god rest his soul. .
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buscavich and his dog, harvey and david, and both structural engineers and we want to talk about things that you might do before an earthquake to your home to make it more likely that your home will be ha bitable after an earthquake, what should we do? both structural and maybe even important non-structural things. >> you hear about how to prepare an earthquake kit and brace your book shelves and water tank and that is important. what you have to be careful is make sure that you are not going the easy things to make yourself feel better. if you have a bad structure, a bad building, then you need to be looking at that and everything that you do to keep your collectables in place is small and compared. if you have taken care of your structure, then there is a lot of stuff that you can do in your house that is non-structural and your chimney and water tank. >> let's talk about what the structural things might be. >> and he is exactly right.
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you don't want to make the deck chairs safe on the titanic, it is going down, you are going down, you have to make sure that your house is safe. there are basic things that you need to do including bracing the water heater, not just because of fire hazard but because of the water source and the damage, but basic things are installing anchor bolts, and adding plywood and strapping your beams to column and posts to footings and foundations are really easy things to do and most contractors can do the building department is set up to approve this work, and these are things that every home owner should do, and it is a little harder because you have to get a building permit and hire a contractor. but you want to be able to after a big earthquake to climb in bed that night and pull the covers up and say i don't have to worry about going to a government shelter. >> that is the main focus that it is great to have an earthquake kit to be able to bug out for 72 hours. here is a better idea, stay in your own home and in order to
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do that you have to be make sure that your structure is okay. if you have a house, the easy things to do with the wood construction is feasible. if you have a renter or you live in a concrete building, you need to talk to the building own , and make sure they have done their due diligence and find out what the deficiencies are. >> when i have looked at damaged buildings,vy seen that a little bit of investment in time and money and structural work provides great dividends. >> especially if it is the wood frame, typical house that you can do the things that i was talking about, the anchor and the plywood in the first garage area, you know if you refinanced in the last three years, get some of that savings and it is a really good investment. and the other thing that i try to tell people, earthquake insurance is not the solution to the shelter in place, if there is a big earthquake and your building is damaged, you are not in your house, you may
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be somewhere else, if you work in the city, it is going to be really hard to commute from sonoma, you want to do what is necessary so that your house is retrofitted and a couple of years of earthquake premium could get you to a level that you could be in the house after a significant earthquake and it may have damage and there is still a shelter in place where you are at home and you are not worried for the government taking care of you and you are living in a place where you can go to work and you want to have your wood frame house is really easy to get to that level. on top of the wood frame house, i mean every wood frame house in the west half of the city have a water tank and the water tank fall over because they are gas fired and start fires. and that is something that you could do for yourself, and for your neighbors and for the whole city is make sure that your water tank is braced. >> if you look at the studies that are predicting on fires, we are going to have a lot of fires and for every water tank that is braced there is a potential of one less fire that the fire department is going to have to fight and we don't want
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to have any more fires than we need to. so bracing the water heater is the first thing that you want to do. >> and so easy, and you go on-line and you google, earthquake, water and heater and you google the sites where you can find the details and you can put them out there on the hardware store and you can hire a small contract tore do that for you. that is a couple of hundred bucks, the best investment. if you are in other types of building it is complicated. if you are in a high-rise building you just can't anchor your building down because there are no anchor bolts, but at that point, the tenant should be asking questions of the owner's and the managers about earthquake preparedness >> and don't take the easy answer, oh, our building is safe it was designed to code. that is not the right answer, ask the tough questions and see if you can get a report that has been given to you. >> what is the right question? will i be able to stay in my home after the expected earthquake? is that a good question to ask? >> yeah, you may be more
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specific if you talk to the owner, if it is not a recent building, if it is ten or 20 years old see if they had an inspection done and there you will have a written before that will tell you all about the structure. >> thanks, pat. >> thanks, harvey. and thanks david for joining us and thank you for joining us on >> you're watching quick bite, the show that has san francisco. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> we're here at one of the many food centric districts of san francisco, the 18th street corridor which locals have affectionately dubbed the castro. a cross between castro and
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gastronomic. the bakery, pizza, and dolores park cafe, there is no end in sight for the mouth watering food options here. adding to the culinary delights is the family of business he which includes skylight creamery, skylight and the 18 raisin. >> skylight market has been here since 1940. it's been in the family since 1964. his father and uncle bought the market and ran it through sam taking it over in 1998. at that point sam revamped the market. he installed a kitchen in the center of the market and really made it a place where chefs look forward to come. he created community through food. so, we designed our community as having three parts we like
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to draw as a triangle where it's comprised of our producers that make the food, our staff, those who sell it, and our guests who come and buy and eat the food. and we really feel that we wouldn't exist if it weren't for all three of those components who really support each other. and that's kind of what we work towards every day. >> valley creamery was opened in 2006. the two pastry chefs who started it, chris hoover and walker who is sam's wife, supplied all the pastries and bakeries for the market. they found a space on the block to do that and the ice cream kind of came as an afterthought. they realized the desire for ice cream and we now have lines around the corner. so, that's been a huge success. in 2008, sam started 18 reasons, which is our community and event space where we do five events a week all around
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the idea of bringling people closer to where the food comes from and closer to each other in that process. >> 18 reasons was started almost four years ago as an educational arm of their work. and we would have dinners and a few classes and we understood there what momentum that people wanted this type of engagement and education in a way that allowed for a more in-depth conversation. we grew and now we offer -- i think we had nine, we have a series where adults learned home cooking and we did a teacher training workshop where san francisco unified public school teachers came and learned to use cooking for the core standards. we range all over the place. we really want everyone to feel like they can be included in the conversation. a lot of organizations i think which say we're going to teach cooking or we're going to teach gardening, or we're going to get in the policy side of the food from conversation. we say all of that is connected
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and we want to provide a place that feels really community oriented where you can be interested in multiple of those things or one of those things and have an entree point to meet people. we want to build community and we're using food as a means to that end. >> we have a wonderful organization to be involved with obviously coming from buy right where really everyone is treated very much like family. coming into 18 reasons which even more community focused is such a treat. we have these events in the evening and we really try and bring people together. people come in in groups, meet friends that they didn't even know they had before. our whole set up is focused on communal table. you can sit across from someone and start a conversation. we're excited about that. >> i never worked in catering or food service before. it's been really fun learning about where things are coming from, where things are served from. >> it is getting really popular. she's a wonderful teacher and i think it is a perfect match for us.
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it is not about home cooking. it's really about how to facilitate your ease in the kitchen so you can just cook. >> i have always loved eating food. for me, i love that it brings me into contact with so many wonderful people. ultimately all of my work that i do intersects at the place where food and community is. classes or cooking dinner for someone or writing about food. it always come down to empowering people and giving them a wonderful experience. empower their want to be around people and all the values and reasons the commitment, community and places, we're offering a whole spectrum of offerings and other really wide range of places to show that good food is not only for wealthy people and they are super committed to accessibility and to giving people a glimpse of the beauty that really is available to all
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of us that sometimes we forget in our day to day running around. >> we have such a philosophical mission around bringing people together around food. it's so natural for me to come here. >> we want them to walk away feeling like they have the tools to make change in their lives. whether that change is voting on an issue in a way that they will really confident about, or that change is how to understand why it is important to support our small farmers. each class has a different purpose, but what we hope is that when people leave here they understand how to achieve that goal and feel that they have the resources necessary to do that. >> are you inspired? maybe you want to learn how to have a patch in your backyard or cook better with fresh ingredients . or grab a quick bite with organic goodies.
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find out more about 18 reasons by going to 18 and learn about buy right market and creamery by going to buy right and don't forget to check out our blog for more info on many of our episodes at sf quick until next time, may the fork be with you. ♪ ♪ >> so chocolaty. mm. ♪ >> oh, this is awesome. oh, sorry. i thought we were done rolling. ♪ i'm going to turn it over to our mayor, mayor ed lee. >> thank you. superintendent very glad to be here an
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earthquake shaking first day but i want to congratulate our superintendent. >> school board and emily murase president along with hydra mendosa that works with me and, of course, from the get-go i support the principles and teachers at the el dorado middle school is one of the finest i want to congratulate our teachers for the first day of school and mayor our kids are safe we had an earthquake this morning and all the schools are green and everybody it making sure the aftershocks we're working together as a city and school district thanks it our superintendant i want to graduate the patterns and families for bringing their kids
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to a finest public system in the country and in recognition of that we had a u.s. conference of mayors we hosted this summer all the mares got to make sure their entire agenda were on ipads to make sure we went paper less we had a few extras we thought a good cause and purpose to make sure that kids who have special needs particularly in different schools would be the beneficiaries of that so we've made a donation of those i pads to this school and another school as the centers as again, a part of the not only philanthropy of the city but the technology needs the school district has never ending things change all the time we want our kids to have the best but in particular those kids that are
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challenged to thank you for the opportunity to my understanding with the school district on this subject for a couple are years when we have technology like tablets they increase that possibility of teaching kids with better or for better opportunities i'm asking the school district give me our list through the superintendent and there optimistic the school board whatever the technology needs are if i can make sure i mention that to all the wonderful companies in the city they'll being sure to embrace the school district with the things they need with citywide certainly with the benny hoff foundation as they helped me in all the other technologies helped the schools continue to prove and maintain the best performance all for our kids i want to have and make sure they are the best opportunities for the wonderful jobs but if begins here at elementary school those
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in the middle school we've focused on into the high schools and everybody on the college or career packets that are sustainable and full of very positive careers our school district is here to make sure that our families are provided the best education in the world and, yes we are going to be an even better alternative in than any other school we're making record investments as we have and our city and school district understands and represents each other's roles after this i make sure i build housing for teachers with that announcement congratulations to the school district. >> let's continue been for the kids this agency the first day of school i'm existing i remember my first day of school i ran around and trying to learn
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everything and those kids will too with that, principle. >> well, thank you mayor ed lee what a great privilege to have you on our campus on the first day heather has lots of ideas we'll make that list to pass along. >> thank you very much for being on our compass. >> thank you so much i think this will be awesome for the students and we'll go a long way for the cameras. >> thank you. we have our board president dr. murase. >> i want to thank you thank you for the guest and our student we like to see we're going to her classroom oh, in a
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minute occupies willingly have a teacher other el dorado we like to grow our own thank you prairie for this wonderful gift. >> great let's have a great year of learning we'd like to put those devices to good use we're going to classrooms new thank you >> hello, i am with the recreation and parks department. we are featuring the romantic park location in your backyard.
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this is your chance to find your heart in santa and cisco with someone special. -- san francisco with someone special. our first look out is here at buena vista park, a favorite with couples and dog walkers. both have a significant force. a refreshing retreat from urban life. the romantic past that meander up and down the park under pines and eucalyptus. hang out in this environment and you might see butterflies it, fennel, and then the lines. -- dandelions. is ada accessible.
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public transit is plentiful. we have conquered the steps, we have watched the dogs, and we have enjoyed a beautiful view. this is a place to take someone special on a romantic stroll and enjoyed a beautiful look out. welcome to corona heights located in the heart of this district. it offers a view of the downtown skyline, the bay bridge, and the east bay. it is one of the best kept secrets in the city. it is hardly ever crowded. on any given day, you will run into a few locals. , bought a 37 bus to get there without any parking worries. for legged friends can run freely. there is also a patch of grass
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for the small box. >> it is a great place. it is a wonderful place to have these kinds of parks. that dog owners appreciate it. >> take time to notice of the wildfires that are on the grassland and keep your head out on the lookout for hawks and other bird life. be sure to take your camera and be prepared to take a view of the city will not forget. it has a beautiful red rock formations. you could watch the sunrise over the bay. this is another one of our great lookouts. we are at mount davidson. 928 feet. this is the place for you to bring someone special. to not forget that dogs and enjoy all of the pathways and
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greenery that surrounds you. it provides a peaceful oasis of open space and great hiking trails. the spectacular view offers a perfect place to watch the sunrise or sunset with someone you love. >> it is a good place to get away from the hectic life of the city. come up here and listen to nature, i get some fresh air. that view is fantastic. >> where sturdy shoes. hikers get the feeling of being in a rain forest. mount davidson is also a great place to escape the noise and the bustle of the city. take the 36 bus and it will drop you at the entrance. it is quite a hike to the top but the view is worth every step. this is the place to bring that
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someone special. golden gate park's largest body of water is an enchanting place. is a popular spot for paddling around in boats, which can be rented. created in 1893, it was designed for these your boating -- for leisure boating. it is named for the wild strawberries that once flourished. there is also a waterfall, two bridges, and trails the climb to the summit, the highest point at more than four hundred feet. you can catch glimpses of the
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western side of the city that make this hilltop a romantic look out. for public transit, i take the n train. the lad the ad -- lake is ada accessible. watch many ducks, swans, and siegel's. -- seagulls. it is a great place to stroll and sail away. many couples come here to take a ride around a lake, going under the bridges, passing the chinese pavilion and the waterfall. for a quiet getaway, making for a memorable and magical experience. located on 19th avenue, this
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growth is the place to where you're hiking boots, bring the family and the dog because it has so much to offer you and your loved ones. it is a truly hidden gem in the city. the park is rich with eucalyptus trees. long paths allow you to meander, perfect for a dog walking in a wooded environment. >> i enjoy the history. the diversity of nature that exists in such an urban city, concrete streets, cars, we have this oasis of the natural environment. it reminds us of what the history was. >> there is a section for dogs and plenty of parking. transit is available on the 28 bus to get you very easily. the part is ada -- park is ada
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accessible. it is also a natural lake. this is your chance to stroll around the lake and let the kids run free. it also has many birds to watch. it is a place to find and appreciate what you -- a wonderful breath of fresh air. come and experience in this park and enjoy the people, picnics, and sunshine. this is a lovely place to take a stroll with your loved ones. in the middle of pacific heights, on top of these hills, it offers a great square, a peaceful beauty, large trees and grass and greenery. it features tables and benches,
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a playground, restaurants, and tennis courts. there are plenty of areas for football and picnics. it is very much a couple's park. there are many activities you can experience together. stroll on the pathways, bring your dog, or just picnic at one of the many tables and enjoy all that it has to offer together. many couples find this is a perfect park to throw down a blanket and soak up the sun. it is a majestic place that you can share with someone you chairs. lafayette park is also easily accessed from the 47, 49, and 90 buses. it is ada accessible. we are here at the historic
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palace of fine art in the marina district. originally built for the 1950's exposition, the palace is situated on san francisco's number waterfront. it is ada accessible and is reached by the 28, 30, and 91 bus lines. set against the reflecting waters of the lagoon and eucalyptus trees, the palace is one of san francisco post most -- san francisco's most romantic spots to relax with that special someone while listening to the water and gazing at the swans. a beautiful to view from many locations along the mattoon, an ideal place to -- all -- lagoon,
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an ideal place to walk with a loved one. reservations for weddings are available at discarding contains plants referred to by william shakespeare's plays and poems. welcome to the shakespeare garden here in the famous golden gate park. located near the museum and the california academy of sciences, the garden was designed by the california spring blossom and wildfilower association. here is a truly enchanting and tranquil garden along a path behind a charming gate. this garden is the spot to woo your date.
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stroll around and appreciate its unique setting. the gorgeous brick walkway and a brick wall, the stone benches, the rustic sundial. chaired the part -- share the bard's word hundred famous verses from a shakespearean plays. this is a gem to share with someone special. pack a picnic, find a bench, and enjoy the sunshine, and let the whimsical words of william shakespeare and floats you and your loved one away. this is one of the most popular wedding locations and is available for reservations. take a bus and have no parking worries. shakespeares' garden is ada accessible. located at the bottom of this hill, it is a secret garden with
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an infinite in captivating appeal. carefully tucked away, it makes the top of our list for most intimate pyknic setting. avoid all taurus cars and hassles by taking a cable car. or the 30, 45, or 91 bus. the garden was designed by thomas church in 1957. grow old with me, the best is yet to be is inscribed on a sundial. it is anchored by twin white gazebos and flowers that bloom year-round. this is the place to tell someone special or the place to declare the commitment you two
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share. weddings and the event reservations are available for this adorable hidden gem. we know there are many other romantic parks in san francisco. we hope you have enjoyed this torre of lookouts, picnics, and strolls that are available every day. until next time, do not forget to get out and play. for more information about reserving one of these romantic locations or any other location, call 831-5500. this number is best for special events, weddings, picnics, and the county fair buildings. or for any athletic field, call 831-5510. you can write us at --
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or walk in and say hello. and of course you can find more information -- >> we came to seven straight about 10 years ago. -- 7th street about 10 years ago. the environment is huge. it is stronger than willpower. surrounding yourself with artists, being in a culture where artists are driving, and
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where a huge amount of them is a healthy environment. >> you are making it safer. push, push. that is better. when i start thinking, i see it actually -- sometimes, i do not see it, but when i do, it is usually from the inside out. it is like watching something being spawned. you go in, and you begin to work, excavate, play with the dancers, and then things began to emerge. you may have a plan that this is what i want to create. here are the ideas i want to play with, but then, you go into the room, and there maybe some fertile ideas that are becoming manifest that are more interesting than the idea you had initially set out to plan. so there has to be this openness
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for spontaneity. also, a sense that regardless of the deadline, that you have tons of time so the you can keep your creativity alive and not cut it off and just go into old habits. it is a lot like listening. really listening to watch what is going to emerge. i like this thing where you put your foot on his back. let's keep it. were your mind is is how you build your life. if you put it in steel or in failure, it works. that works. it is a commitment. for most artists, it is a vacation and a life that they have committed themselves to. there is this notion that artists continue to do their work because of some kind of the external financial support. if that was taken away, artists
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would still do their art. it is not like there is a prerequisite for these things to happen or i will not do it. how could that be? it is the relationship that you have committed to. it is the vocation. no matter how difficult it gets, you are going to need to produce your art. whether it is a large scale or very small scale. the need to create is going to happen, and you are going to have to fulfill it because that is your life. . >> this is a meeting of the rec and park commissioner president buell commissioner vice president low is


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