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>> ladies and gentlemen, the chair has called the meeting to order the public is welcome to address the commission on items not on tonight's agenda please rise for the pledge of allegiance and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> commissioner mccarthy's call roll commissioner president loftus commissioner vice president turman commissioner marshall commissioner dejesus is executed commissioner wong and
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commissioner melara superviso david chiu's we have quorum with us is greg suhr police chief and joyce hicks the director of the office of citizens complaints. >> thank you, officer and welcome to the wednesday, march 2, 2016, meeting of the san francisco police commission i'm going to start off with one change to the agenda i'll be moving the first item the sfpd occ status report commonly known as the sparks report and move that on for another date for a larger discussions that's one sergeant, next line item. >> consent calendar receive and file the police chief to accept a donation of $500 from the health district for the police league chief anything to share.
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>> a request from captain lazarus the hilton hotel wanted to donate $9,500 to charity so it would be the worthy of the police activity league i'm entertain a >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> consent calendar passes sergeant, next line item. >> item 2 general public comment this time, members of the public may address the commission items of interest to the public that are within the subject matter jurisdiction commission except agenda items. with respect to agenda items, your opportunity to address the commission will be afforded when to the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners or department or occ personal under police commissioner rules of order neither the occ or commissioners are to respond to the questions but may provide a brief response the ocii and police commission should not
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enter into debates and please limit our comments to 3 minutes. >> general public comment welcome. >> good evening and welcome clyde. >> good evening, good evening i'd like to address the poa i was disheartened today had i heard that gary is accusing the da of being a racht you were here when the person was sitting here that's environmental that's environmental the sub text to call - i do back work i called the arkansas yeah. i worked with him and he's not a racht i was his boss for that to come out that is vial and marty will
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support it some club in cambridge he was drunk he said this and that why would we go public with something like that that is another greg like throwing mud ball in a play pin let's throw mud balls let's grew up it is a disrespect to the law enforcement agency of the san francisco thank you. >> thank you clyde. >> next speaker. >> good evening mr. crew welcome. >> my name is a john crews no obligation do answer questions do you have a plan to calendar the neutrality to sb 12 senator leno's on the record
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transparency. >> okay. let me go on i strongly encourage to do that the commissioner vice president turman speaking in support that have bill we are doing to inform our public confidence and the theme in the mayor and the achieve is transparent all through the 21st century task force support that is what this bill provides provides transparency over records that exist as public records and most of the rest of the country a more expansive bill that was tried and supported by this commission unanimously if you're saying to the public were going to reform those policies the use of force transformational policy if you, you want the public to building your enforcing those policies you should support the transparency of the record if you have nothing to hide take a
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position in transparent otherwise our reform efforts we'll be perceived and something to heidi ask you to take the load of bill before that time even he said this was crazy around the misconduct overseeing records should be public a poll out the research center published in the l.a. times 80 percent of the california public building those records should be public so you have a choices to make are you going to be on the side of transparency and accountability or are you going to be on the side of sxrety the da has chosen sides that will violate the office of private we're talking about public police officers do in public to members of the public with authorities begin to them by the
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public with public resources if there's a losses to the public the public pays for it everything has to be secret that's nonsense in most states those have 2 to 3 adverse to public communicates if you want your reforms your working hard i know how hard you're working i can't imagine but if you want to say to the public not only trust us we'll show you that's how you earn trust not by asking for it i hope you put that on the calendar and chief suhr lead. >> thank you. next speaker. >> good evening and welcome. >> good evening, commissioners
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my name is david the first thing first thing i want to do is hand this to you guys. >> it is an article from the bayview news about a particular san francisco police officer while a 0 police officer in south san francisco killed a 15-year-old kid killed a 15-year-old kid and was substantially hiring by sfpd how on earth did e did that happen what makes the decision to hire a killer cop and put him on the streets of san francisco this officer is notorious sued by the aclu and had a lot of incidents of police brutality, one minor one just recently during the super bowl so that's my question and i'm putting you on notice
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that the officer is a bad apple if we find this out given the police officers bifurcating surl your hiring staff can thought this out and reject those kinds of officers from department that have already killed synonym and is department of justice i was there and director hicks i kptd 60 people of which at least 2/3rd's maybe 40 were from the justice for mario woods commission so whatever the mayor thinks he's doing in terms of bringing the doj for this basically, we're calling it the b team not the people that do the serious investigations the public is not engaged and especially singles the you know the first session was basically
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two bring in bayview residents it is a failing move the final thing i'd like to ask you will the public have the opportunity as required by law to comment on the agenda items when they come out we need to tighten up the way we run the police commission so the public had an opportunity to speak to you guys when you know when we it is die thank you. >> sir there's a deputy director from the office of citizens complaints and if you have very specific allegations he can help you i do not personally on breaking and entering to your attention. >> hearing and seeing none, oh, i'm sorry, sir no, no, no problem. >> good evening and welcome. >> thank you, again, for all
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you're trying to do and hope we can see some improvements last time i was here there was a discussion i brought up some targets and there was a question i think from wanting to chief and the chief respond using the fact of the matter my issue was embedded the blackness when we're talking about the fact of the matter i tried to make that it really results in the same thing we're talking about non-white images so if their gray spur gray light glare whatever the issue is there is a memory muscle memory parcel that includes the shape, size, and color. >> especially non-white and i ask you to notice when there are
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white tatters marketed they look like humans their facial expressions and the mood and even try to project the density if you're looking at replacing the fact of the matter explore this ask the officers and the chief why not shoot for the legs the answer is we don't train for the legs but the torso and last week, a picture you're sitting there what we see is from here up there are taerthsdz being sold it include legs there are tax o altercates one can be rewarded for shooting another legs and tatters being sold it include apparent ethnic images i'm not here advocating more
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shooting only to say since you're going to shoot and train to shoot explore the absence you know the issue of the property gained we sent folks to vietnam dehumanizing the world-class the other the other so those images depict the other in many ways i would hope you'll think about exploring some options that humanize the human process i handed out something i think - >> okay. >> 30 seconds. >> you have 30 seconds. >> the ways to other than say shoot don't shoot not just shoot and take a few seconds and give thoughtful consideration that's the language many more options and training i spoke to the
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training captain to help high school graduates maybe on the police force to understand there are ways to engage so not the bye in their shoot don't shoot i'll be happy to to share we're concerned about police officers that have mental issuesism. >> thank you, sir any public comment on this item? come on up. >> good evening and welcome. >> my name is bob i think that was commissioner hwang who brought up concerning the tasers with the separation of the reform into the package and having it be a separate issue a lot of people last time
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that spoke about that or to with they were against having tasers introduced i spoke about the reality of whoops what happened with mario woods tasers were not necessary i brought up the point that under the conditions he'd been hit 3 times with the beanbag at one and 50 mile-per-hour and blind with pepper that is a all a policeman had to do take out their night stick and hit him he's not a threaten tasers are not the answer and about 6 hundred killings of people through tasers i think over the last 10 years throughout the united states so that's my hope that people will sort of respect all the people that showed up last time
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and i have to say that the citizens of the san francisco have three or four times said they don't want tasers so i respect that. >> thank you. next speaker. >> good evening and welcome. >> thank you good evening, commissioners police chief and members of the public i'm the outreach for the party of san francisco i'd like to thank the commission for forwarding to the board of supervisors your recommendation that the office of citizens complaints review all police shooting incident this is a good accountability measure i notice i don't know if there is another item regarding the patrol special i guess a couple of police officers regarding networking with the beats i'd
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like to remind the commission the patrol has tried to have new officers approved from the police department and sat on the applications and stone walled the ability of new potrero special officers to get the proper approvals to start their jobs so i think that you know what you're seeing the case of patrol officers not working their beats is directly recommended to that i also want to remind you of a serious conflict of interest of having chief suhr sitting here on the panel with you because as a sfpd he's the head the organizations your supposed to have oversight it is inappropriate for the you know the head of the agency being on the job to be on the panel of the over serge especially the closed session where the public
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is not permitted the body being organizing shouldn't be the closed session and having the office of citizens complaints representative it appropriate that is an oversight body as the planning commission mr. johnson having did sfpd i feel it is inappropriate and also the officers that come before the commission not specifically requested we the commission should not be in uniform and not on the taxation payers dime finally echo what was said about the tasers and the public eminent opposition to them mario woods killing didn't change that if anything that reenforces the problem with having police officers having regular recourse of and the tasers are not for
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people thank you. >> is there any additional public comment? >> public comment is closed. >> 3 h chiefs report and discussion this item to allow the police chief to report on recent police department activities social and media policy and presentation of the limited english proficiency not to my knowledge report. >> commissioner director hicks and members of the public i'll be brief i know we have an lapd presentation and members of the public here to speak only that our social media draft is finished and we are now entering into the help within thirty days to be able to present that draft to the commission for your consideration and vote and as well our c i p draft is finished
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between 35 to 40 days that policy comes before you for a vote a couple of announcements we met with both commissioner charles the co-chair of the presidents 21st century task force and berry arrested if scotland and tom a form achieve o chief from the department out of battling for the reengineering the use of force and the department of justice that - the physical training and defensive tactical staff and commissions all the police officers from the rank of lieutenant that is pretty much the same presentation we put together that was heard by the chief in late january good conversations all about the
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draft use of force policies that is before this commission and considered by the working groups i think will get us to a better place we had a new academy with cadets and thank benioff for his dollars for a 3 year portion that pays for half of the people's salary we building we have room for 15 more applications we encourage anyone that is carrying a minimum of 12 units preferably 18 to 24-year-old want a job while they're going to school especially a career in public safety. >> how much is the hourly rate
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i don't know off the top of my head but i think that 19 or $20. >> that's good for school how can people apply and go to the police sfgov and look for cadets also our captain was certified 12 people were notified those will be fiscal a week from saturday 11 are will be new captains the 12 is deputy chief chaplain that accepts that as the survival service ensue will remain with the standards and pay with that, president's report i'll ask for lieutenant danger fields or sergeant king to make the lapd presentation. >> chief can i ask you one question that would be helpful for the commission to get a
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presentation on some of the material that we you know we were able to benefit director joyce hicks and myself at some point it that would be helpful if someone can just walk us through the key parts we've read the engineering and use of force and given the policy the commission has to some decisions that would be great for everything to be as informed as possible is that possible for us to do. >> sure i can do it myself having run through that but certainly i can find out if any of those panel will be back i know they all left assistant chief higgins had to get back to scotland it was really a flight out here to do that and chuck they went to so - but anyway yeah. >> we'll talk about that what
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the mix is it would be good okay lieutenant danger field. >> lapd from 2015 and then our future where we're going interest we have a total of three hundred and 26 bilingual members up 200 and 56 in 2014 most in spanish one 98 you guys have a copy of it as well from the language contact of 4 thousand plus contacts through the language line our lapd clients majority were in spanish up from 2014-2015 and lieutenant can i stop you did we start off on what lapd is who is watching are familiar. >> the limited english proficient persons people that don't speak english as their
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first language or have difficulty in understanding the finer point and need to do daily operations boutique things under the circumstances and need our assistance those are the people we're trying to service that is the basic lapd there were approximately 20 open cases through occ some were resolved and 3 sustained were not sustained and then 12 cases are still pending. >> there were several new department bulletins regarding the lapd and tracking was a major thing to track the people we actually serviced and one of the bulletins required comments being put in to the computer system by the officer or the dispatcher under the comma and saying which language and identifying who the officer was and the psa or the languages on
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one person. >> by using the characteristic comma retriefr it by researching that there are issues we're working on from the dispatcher put the dispatcher comment sometimes, it didn't show we're working on the issues but the policy is in place and they're trying to retrain the xaefrnz to make sure they know to use the k comma and not the dispatch comma. >> another major point with the pocket cards so the officers can know step by step to use the language line it tells them step by step the numbers to use and dealing with training of those officers to make sure they know when they're using the language line if things are not going appropriately that by looking at
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the person they maintained understand or not a direct interpretation they can request another language line operator translation of documents you have documents that need translation before they can be booked to the officers know what to put the report we have a clear understanding of what is actually what was said by the person we're trying to train the officers sorry excuse me. trying to test officers identifying the academy for the - we know who we can test before they get out to increase the number of bilingual officers to test them this is done by the department of human resources we test them before they leave the academy they
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don't get paid nail i until their scorn in pill being tested because of 2016 that's the requirement so, now we're testing for people and raising the numbers to have more bilingual officers out the second they start the s t l and identify them how they were hired they were self-identified which language they spoke and where we're trying to go looking forward across the number of officers that tagalog a new certification for tagalog we're trying to reach out to those officers to make sure their tested to h.r. and the other issue is we've increased the training for psa and for the cadets from one to
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two hours and trying to incorporate the training for the basic course the policing area the same person will be teaching it and trying to teach it the report writing section they use scenario based on training so we can write mclaren how to write the report using the lapd interpreter that will be important they can recent the physical and looking at the person and giving body clues based on what the interpreter is saying and - i think some of the main things the roll call for the lapd watch a new video the video we had we're now made an a priority everyone has to watch it and ask questions and refer to us officer if they have any questions or any additional information we can get that to
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them and the report writing data the system is going to go live in a couple of weeks after we make sure everyone understand how to operate it drop down boxed to clinic or click on an with an interpreter which language and have to say whether a passing or a language line and can't moved in the report until that is done and going live later this month we're securely working on somewhere basis training we're using autopsy the advocates the working group is vast bunch of people we appreciate that helps. >> to figure the issues and try to resolve them we've been working together and made a lot of progress in 2015 and looking forward to 2016. >> even better. >> even better. >> i would the lieutenant went
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over it quickly but that box that has been asked about over many, many months about automatically the use of lapd and the compliance with the general order on children and parents both of those will be live and in place by the end of march. >> so it was a its been a long time coming but welcome. >> okay. colleagues do you have questions for the lieutenant commissioner - >> start. >> commissioner melara. >> my question has to do with with the data and some of the total of the occ complaints that are open 20 cases were opened and in 2015 i'm confused as to the 3 sustained cases and then
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to the right it says involving total of 9 officers sustained two not fined because of retired so 3 cases by 9 officers. >> i'll have to refer to the. >> same from the office of citizens complaints i first want to say if you thank you for having this on the agenda but i'm happy to address did occ complaints that - we've had cases that involving more than one officers there is gas stations for the language for each the officers that's why you're seeing 9 officers each individual officer has a role and sustained against those officers the other two no findings those individuals we made sustained feelings i've
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retired so no jurisdiction. >> it was not the math adding up. >> sure. >> thank you. >> okay that would be great there is a number of members from the group lieutenant if you want to welcome any of the community members that would be great. >> maybe i can do a short introduction we've been working with the person going on 3 years in terms of this working group we meet every month at the mission station a acholic beverage process with many do know assault service provider and language assess advocates the department of emergency services comes and the commission has a representative and active for the last year it is a really vibrant group and what is wonderful about it is the advocates they're in the
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streets and their teaching english and providing services for the sexual assault victim additions ding how to enhance the services and what is working correctly and what we can do to raise up and making sure the people are getting little services all the projects liken the box incident report we've been working with the depended 6 or seven years to get the boxes it is the tireless is on trackcy of the folks that come month after month a volunteer thing their relentless and precedent all the projects the department bulletins and the boxes that mean information at the end of the day the data collection from the hard work and they're working with the department ear able to move forward with that, there are many advocates that wanted to address so thank you.
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>> the advocates are helping in the training and coming into the academy and training. >> they helped to write the video an language assess come on up. >> handful welcome. >> hi my name is arrest i didn't an attorney at asian pacific islanders outreach i sat on the sfpd language sees working group and happy to be here today, i want to say how happy we were to be at the training and it was a really good experience for us i hope for the recruits i think it can only get better i have to thank may partner in that we kind of wi7kd it it went okay and i also want to thank captain
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yee and others and daren when helped to push it and facilitate it we've been talking about but the execution when people put they are will i understand had it happened fast and the next date for the level will be trying to expand to the field officer training we can have more situational practice and i want to thank chaplain that has encouraging to help to expand it entertaining and make that more of a curriculum and looking at the post certification for language says there is not that right now but i also want to talk about i do want to say thank you both to lieutenant danger field and ken i don't know if you were here last year the report was cyanide poisoning two or three pages it is definitely clear that a lot
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more thoughtful and activity went into the report we've accomplished more and that is encouraging i want to talk about briefing the implementation and effectiveness 3 bulletins having the does want bulletins that great but how the details workout and their implemented is where we keep on getting stuck for example, the translation department bulletin in certification or training in los angeles for sfpd bilingual members those of us that be with the lapd's folks the interpretation and translation are different so assume that someone that is a bilingual certified member will be able to translate a 0 document is a huge risk there is a bulletin that which is created a process
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without that extra peak so kind of putting a situation on officers that they may not be able to fulfill the idea was good but the actual details how 24 hemispheres when you don't certify from translation or training translation is risky the department wlilg on the languages card it is a missile not onlyer not a card a big sheet not convenient and it requires a survivor to look at it and make a choice what size it requires them to figure if in their situation a emergency and even with you'll that not being given out and even though it is supposed to be at the front and says in the belittling bulletin a police ever psa will take the
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report with an interpreter but other advocates can tell you too many survivors are told none it available no officer is available so you can tell someone they'll do that but if you say no officer is available what's the point; right? that's the implementation issue i was very happy to see this recent bulletin of the mandatory training on the video we talked about this at the last report how do we know the video is working and people that seen the video are not visitacion valley complaints against them we've pushed horde hard work for this survey and on top of to have it mandatory everyone has to do it within thirty days we're looking forward to the result easy last thing of prelims i want to say about police station there is a lot of things you can do broadly
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but things come down to who is the leadership at the police station we have advocates 3 don't refer to certain stations our clients will have a bad experience that sounded shouldn't be happening and central station we've reached out to i'm not doing anything wrong and other stationed they're doing a really good job it is possible it tells us it is not just something that all the stations can't do you indicated those breaks down in communication. >> yeah. to an stent i'll want to thank captain santos for those kinds of things i think he's been the longest serving captain of s d u that has helped
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and sandra has been helpful but those survivors have to go back to the police station again and again so the survivor it complains about no one not taking her police report each time she got the same officer and was treated like she shouldn't be filing a report. >> did they file an occ complaint. >> i don't know if they will not my call as advocates we can encourage our clients but not an easy prolgsz for them a lot of the clients have unstable housing and dealing with language issues and get a house and job and gets some stable situations to say they need to go though the occ process even though the process maybe user
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friendly is daunting a lot of people don't come from a history like the occ process is not possible or something that is corrupt so. >> i appreciate that but we need to know where the problems lie to fix them. >> i understand that but i think that is relying on the fact those are isolated incidents and as community members we've repeatedly talked about incidents that are happened as specific stations and talked to indirectly talked to captains it is not a question of being aware of the problem and didn't require an occ complaint to be aware of the problem. >> i completely hear what you're saying let's not be the burden on people that are not involved but - >> i think the issue for us is that it is difficult for us when
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it is a story we can't get it investigated and sustained and hold that officer accountable that's what we do you're saying on a policy we're aware of the issues and continue to say that in order for us to do the best job it helps when part of the what the support for that survivor we have a system here in san francisco the police officer are held accountable and to be listened to the rules need to be followed so that's where we are coming from not suggested only on that individual but. >> sure. >> we can make sure we this who the officers are it is difficult we don't want to paint them all with a broad brush. >> but it speaks to the fact that certain stations are a culture and top down process i
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didn't come here to say you have to do something that is more of a awareness at the ground level with individual captains and stations talking to heart the general work and the experiences we've been talking about and that's not something the commission can do. >> i'll follow-up. >> maybe if there recent just you said there are stations that are doing a good job how about a shout out to those stations. >> i shouldn't. >> absolutely absolutely but it is to show it is possible and k0r789 to the individuals in the station that wants to do the right thing because it is the rules that's it i think i was over actually. >> thank you.
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>> hello my name is anna i'm the language coordinator thank you for focusing on language assess and lapd issues today, i'm part of language assess working group that meets monthly with the stakeholders and this past year as we've mentioned to my here my colleague she's mentioned a chief important milestone to name a few we participated in the d go for academy recruits a good experience we hope to continue participating the trainings and not only the training for the recruits but for the fields officers advanced officer training and lapd a
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material part of every layer of the training including the written tellers to make sure this is something that didn't change with leadership changes and take advantage of the thank lieutenant danger field and everyone involved in including the training and i want point out really the report that the report provides the number of bilingual members as well as lapd contact we hope i know there is a new step with gathering information through the k comment we hope the future also, we are informed because there is a missing piece how many contracts were respond to by an officer only 9-1-1 dispatch but ivy pointed out all
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of those incidents wouldn't have been possible without the encourages community members that share with the u.s. the complaints it is a very difficult fright full people are afraid and intimidateed because they don't know what will happy only want the services services and the victims leaving a abuser and having families to deal with much take a step back /* takes a long time and understanding understanding if we had as well - as well complaints that also a data we can see about different stations and which ones are providing the services that lapd
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community members deserve and which ones are not need more transparency in that and another way to know about the situations well, that's all and also just a reminder that for the survivors having access to police services and language is key to over coming violence on the other hand, the lack of response e roads the trust in the communities so thank you very much. >> thank you for your partnership. >> good evening and welcome. >> good evening, commissioners and chief bev domestic violation we were three years ago, i told
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the story a woman was here trying to get her police reporting and she waited for 3 hours at the station and 4 hours at another station and ultimately referred to us this still is happening people are going to our district stations and not getting their police reports taken i can oxen echo we have to shore up the district station and where we report monthly the anecdotal information about the clients we're working with that haven't gotten the police reports taken generally in community a lot of lapd residents so it is you know it is still a big issue when we think about three years ago none of those things we're talking about today were in place wife come a long long way
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be proud of advocates and the be advised the ringing of and use of cell phones and other electronic devices are prohibited. and the occ that continue to meet once a month at mission station and are really dedicated to making a huge difference but a public safety issue in somebody calls 9-1-1 and afraid they'll be arrested this is a public safety issue for everyone and then will they ever call again maybe not; right? >> the other thing i know this not a conversation conversations when ice if their call and their lapd and afraid in ice detention another chilling effect we need to have as many bio cultural and bilingual officer bus get out there and make the department look like the community and going to the stations and not
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having a police reporting taken a strenuously it's what their abuser saying the police will not help you this proves it to them they'll go back we can do better and i look forward to working on this for as long as it takes thank you very much. >> thank you, ms. upton commissioner wong. >> a couple of questions and thoughts i want to echo i think the use of bio cultural is better than using the language line look at the the first page of the report didn't seem like it was broken down in 20154
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thousand plus lapd clients and the line below that it says that 4 thousand 200 plus the same numbers were using the phone interpreters so not using the bilingual officers or. >> the tracking with the are from the language line those are the numbers you see those are all you see those are not done properly so hopefully with the police reporting the click down box they'll be are accurate dispatchers will continue to do it the old way of putting in dispatch comments that can't be tracked and another agency we're trying to retrain they're working hard to retrain attire dispatchers one or more of the issues they're going to try to speak a particular language and have the list in the computer and shows who is working right
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now that has the language and a dispatcher - so it is continued training have to go over and over until they get. >> so put it into place for the bilingual officers on that shift. >> the dispatchers has it there they're used to the old way and it it takes time. >> so a bilingual officer that is free some requirement they respond to the call? >> if they hear it they can respond if their certified but the dispatcher can call them they know who is available if their tied up on another run they're not to stop their priorities but let them know as well. >> i've talked with the some
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of the bilingual officers they don't like to respond to the calls they don't want to be interpreters but not using them as a interpreter or they get stuck with writing the police reporting so they'll hear the call and not respond they don't want to interpret for another office is there a way to centralize so the bilingual officers will respond. >> if you do go and be the interpreter you don't center to write the report they don't want to ask their own questions but you're not switching people to ask the officer the question and give them the question not for the officers to ask their own questions that we want to
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restrict it the report which officers interpreted and click on the box for language and we'll be able to track that. >> my final thoughts i'd like to see if we can breakdown station by station and maybe do what we've done with vision zero the competition about the stations help those two matching the demographics and the informant i don't know if we go out to the community and do the district meetings we can make that part of each report you will get to the demographics the district and get report on so how often have bilingual officers and using the language lines and similar to vision zero. >> okay. >> thank you. >> that's a great idea to track something in control of the captain and some of the
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issues that have been raised so chief if you, you can let us know the data pieces i know we're trying to find a station to be the community the next couple weeks to indicate we can start as quickly as possible other anyone else colleagues. >> just want to say thank you does that look like the numbers have gone of significantly since last year thank you for that. >> i want to thank all the advocates can you stand up if you're participated and helped the subtract subject thank you to all of you (clapping.) i have to say the example you've set with working collaboratively with the department and clearly issues on the table not like anyone has a banner this is a
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work in process i can't say enough about the integrity and the partnership the department has respond in in kind and again you know we're continuing to work on those issues this stands as an example on many issues we've moment off of what you started let's start by sitting around the table about things not working and do something about it we want to reiterate we're grateful for your partnership and let us know where we letting you down and the situations definitely what we're looking for so thank you. >> commissioner yes. >> all right. thank you. everyone sergeant i'm sorry chief are you done >> sergeant, next item. >> item 3 occ director's
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report to allow the occ director to report on recent activities at presentation occ audit of san francisco police department records pursuant to over 8.1 zero. >> good evening director hicks good evening commissioner president loftus and members of the public i'll make brief announcements i'm happy to report back in a more detailed under the agenda disitems should you decide on february 19th occ lawyer and i attend the monthly bar be association of san francisco criminal justice task force meeting last wednesday occ attorneys manny and donna and i attended the first community listening session posted by the doj
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community ordered staff and consultants to gather information from the members of the public for the acholic beverage initiative report the information they received will help the doj in making goals trust between the community and the police department this listening session was held at the marshall high school and members of the occ staff will attend one at mission high school and one at gateway high school last wednesday, i testified at the rules committee at the board of supervisors supervisor cowen ballot measure which was adapted went into the administrative code to require the acknowledging to investigate all officer-involved shootings and eric balancing discharge attend and to forward
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to the full board of supervisors and the acholic beverage reform initiative i met with the department of justice community oriented policing staff and one consultant to describe the acknowledging yesterday morning eric and i taenld the ballot certification committee on the proposed ballot language for the measure to amend the administrative code for occ to investigate all officer-involved shootings this committee worked the city attorney to prepare three hundred to 4 hundred jurats for the information pan let that is mailed to each voter this committee has at ballot descriptions with the title of the measure that is chosen but the direct of elections i
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described the function of the occ and finally yesterday afternoon the director and i attended the board of supervisors meeting they adopted the rules committee report for the measure on the ballot that concludes my presentation. and varied activities as well my staff and moving to the first amendment for the general order 8.10 you have the report in your packets i'll briefing grow glow that deputy director balancing discharge reviewed the audit records the department of 8.0 in addition all documents and
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records for the investigations subject to section 3 and under public techniques including the records and logs and investigations and for the intrusive techniques and infilter and request for arrests and prosecution all agencies assistance in addition information the result of the audit as following no records of investigations authorized under 2015 no records of any requests for investigations that was denied and no records of noefrz or infilter used and no unlawful records for the investigations no records of arresting or proceedings that were the directors and a proximate cause under the guiles 9 requests by made by the public for the
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stingray but none pursuant to the guidelines for seals to the records there were 6 requests from outside law enforcement agencies and that was documented by the agency form and those agencies wanted access to information or assistance that recorded the subject to doj guidelines by the request 5 requests were grand and one denied with the united states department of the commerce for information on a suspect with correspondence with an employee and county of hawaii police department acting to interview a person and u.s. secret service requiring a subject that a threat against a dignitaries and
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san francisco police department of a person making threats against an athletic and washington requested a copy of the 1978 burglar report and requested documents neither deputy director balancing discharge or marion found any violation of guidelines during the audit looking at the training that was required lieutenant provide the documentation that 8 members under the division participated the training the audit identified no areas of concern there is a police commission log and the contemplation is designated police commissioner find the law and testing that officer had the authorization
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for the initiation or continuous of an investigation by the department of a general order and result the housekeeping has no recommendation and deputy director and you are here if you have questions. >> colleagues, any questions for director hicks. >> yeah. commissioner wong can do you on a issue to have something review the suspicious activity reports i'm wondering what you think of having occ reviewing the audit as part of your review >> you don't have to answer right now that was just a thought. >> i'll reserve comments until i have the opportunity to look
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both that commissioner wong. >> okay. >> okay. so any other questions for director hicks? so director hicks the tack way no violation found and no recommendations at this time >> that's correct commissioner president loftus and does that conclude our report. >> yes. that concludes my report. >> sergeant, next item. >> item 3 c and commission president report property reforms sent to the mayor testimony before the blue ribbon panel and schedule for use of force draft policies and commissioner report. >> colleagues i'll start off you should have the letter that the commission sent to the mayor this wraps up a number of months of informal and formal meeting listening to community meetings a number were run by the young people to the safety initiate
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and got look good february on some specific reforms as well as the direction around the deesclation creating distance that letter reflect our priorities and discussion as well as i should have noted the language assess we included other pieces not directly reflective of the commission work but raised one example of that was commissioner melara that d h.r. has to certify other officers in languages we see that was included as well public health advocates share with use it is really important that as we're looting changes in police reform looking at agency and the dcwf and the changes we're making are important but not address many of the issues we've witnessed under the bayview and
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some other neighborhoods in san francisco so i think that is one thing i'll let folks know we have deputy director chaplain will be tracking the process and i'll schedule early next week where the reformed are for the commission, and, secondly, he testified i think testimony at the blue ribbon panel on february 22nd and think commissioner marshall and i were asked to testify from the commission or are you going to testify. >> they requested but you know. >> yes. so commissioner mazzucco was there and commissioner vice president turman was there so the areas of inquiry has to do with with the workload there were a few things i was asked about has to do with with the workload and how we balance the discipline calendar as well as the demands on the commission
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it was somewhat clear we serve as the finder of fact was not completely clear at this point that we were asked how we saw the sknlz and we walk through through some of the disciplines and both new and they seemed to think that was a tremendous mulch the work and asked point workload and caseload we don't have a balance of 5 to 7 cases pending i did indicate that i was asked if i was king what i would do i clarified i prefer to be queen that doesn't go over well but in the event we could use some support on the policy side which commissioner dejesus brought up
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and other advocates we fluted i excluded included that to the mayor and a big time lapse continue our ability to get in there to see policy reform that's my update and then the schedule for the use of force draft policy i have what i think that really tremendously good news which is we have an incredible engaged group of stakeholders their raising to the occasion of looking at the full draft policies the occ is involved thank you for that and at aclu is involved and the public defender's office so there was urban night time in one area with such a diverse group but to give them more time to spend on discussing where we might get for consensus we have
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a con 12rik9d schedule we're give this group more time the department wants to take some of that feedback and go to a second draft extending that to date and the discussion everything we love to do so ended up with the best policy and thanks to the cops office we were supposed to the sendoff the idiots and supportive of level of stakeholders engagement we are going to take that time and get it right and then hopefully bring it back in add a couple of weeks to the decision in early april i've invited the cops office to come they get our review and make the recommendations to the commission so those are any updates and my report colleagues. >> commissioner mazzucco. >> thank you commissioner president loftus i have a few comments i attend the blue
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ribbon panel with commissioner vice president turman commissioner vice president turman and commissioner president loftus did a good job the panel is well tensions and the attorneys working hard but here are any concerns one the panel on bias one of the judges asked commissioner president loftus she insist on queen for the day with the appropriated power there was a little bit of battering we were witnessing that and commissioner president loftus did an convalescent job there was a problem and the secondly, a misunderstanding about the funding for the occ and handling the budget in fact, did crowd was riled up when the police commission controlled the budget commissioner president loftus clarified that was the supervisors and, in fact, microfilm i have a commissioner president loftus voted to the board of supervisors to ask for
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more funding i saw a supervisor after award there was a miss understanding how the commissioners were chosen and how we're going through the process and fortunately, this panel was in existence they didn't know how we are made up of 3 members but one of the gentlemen in the crowd eastward answered that about the amount of commission and how we're appointed i appreciate that and so there seems to you urban design confusion but understanding about the workload and commissioner president loftus did an excellent job supporting the commission i was proud those are the concerns that the judges predominantly in southern california didn't didn't have an understanding i suggested to the blue ribbon panel you educate them i've been interviewed and every commission
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has been interviewed that was a tad bit bernie madoff to see that that's my report and two other things to report on i attended the police academy graduations last friday for the 4r5er7b8 class police officers from other jurisdictions extremely diverse and many bilingual officers 13 from morris town new jersey and others that joined the sfpd and chief suhr welcomed them i want to journey in honor of the san francisco police department who pass with away while at lieutenant secretarial a 25 veteran and san francisco police department assigned to currently to the tenderloin task force he suddenly passed away in school and leaves a wife and 10-year-old son and like to adjourn he served that he
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tenderloin task force and central station and want to thank the chief the chief presided over a good portion of the funnel like a good catholic and adjourn in his honor tonight. >> commissioner wong. >> i want to reporter within the chinese-american community a lot of issues with officer at negotiation that o new york that was counted of second degree market-rate that was on routed patrol and thely killed a girl and counted at trial within the chinese-american there is an issue on the day of the lunar new years prayed reporting between 6 plus thousand that led a separate march on market
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street and end up the plaza. >> it started at - >> it's been a big issue i've gotten a lot of calls and like to speak to a number of county groups and again, i wanted to highlight it is a big issue a first page issue the newspapers and the second events i attended the c pack community police siding meeting last night and well attended event the captains and members that participated were very personable i want to one take away i said to the chief officer j.j. johnson. >> jason johnson. >> he talked about some of the difficulties he's had since the mario woods incident and that his children other officers are
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remarked faced problems at school because their father is a police that is a consequence i personally have not yielded heard before i wanted to raise that for the commissions thinking. >> thank you, commissioner. >> commissioner vice president turman. >> so thank you. i wanted to just chime in on some things commissioner mazzucco was discussing i attended the blue ribbon panel and commend commissioner president loftus on what we do at the commission and also just answering questions in a straightforward manner and being there it was i'm very proud to serve on that commission commissioner president loftus but i will say the blue ribbon panel raised issues for me well
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size e aside from the things that commissioner mazzucco mentions more were troubling a specific question about the mayor relationship to the poa we do - we - which i don't - and talking about bias i would really like to understand the general genesis of much is question we don't govern the poa we certainly don't govern the mayor and i don't understand why it question would be put to commissioner president loftus there is also a question about having non-lawyers serving on the commission how we can do our work i'll remind the blue ribbon panel that soft fibers the most crucial cases of the in this
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country have ordinarily citizens that sit on juries and listen to faxs and come away with decision i'm proud of the two non-lawyers we have on the board wherever the closed session begins i'll tell you they are interest rate oversees and analysis in a way that a makes serving on that panel worthwhile so i don't understand the bias they have against ordinary citizens or folks not lawyers there is a question of commissioners too close to the chief and having served on this commission too long. >> i will tell you that we're all humans and no one who sits
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on a panel like this and on a weekly basis understanding the motivation behind the decisions that are made both in public session and in closed session you don't come away with impressions of an individual not knowing the level of district and the ability of that person to serve in their role and that particular instance it is an ability to comment on whether or not they believe that person does their job well, however, there are times in which even people do their jobs extremely well, you have to criticize those folks and everyone has done that as well i am looking forward to the blue ribbon commissions vrnltd i would like to hear what we they have to say if there is
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something valuable they can passed on to us to help us to do a better job i'm more than relying willing to accept 24 i heard that the district attorney's office sunshine should serve with us on disciplinary matter that is beyond the mandate of any office and find a logical law but (laughter) so he's on a role. >> and maybe i am but i'm proud of the work i do here i dedicate a lot of time to it and listen carefully to the public, and to the people process and listen and they act in different ways and i welcome the input of anyone that has something constructive to say but not
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welcoming of input that is tracking down a boy's track before it has begun so let's all try to be a little bit more conducive constructive when asking questions and informing the public. >> thank you commissioner melara. >> a couple of things i want to thank people for giving me information i didn't have before and because i was one of the people that were interviewed and asked questions information you have provided before us today that gives me clarity i was hearing the questions about even my capacity of being on had commission because i'm not an attorney pr i was not appoint because i was not an attorney the mayor was clearly interested in interthe
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commission was balanced with people from the variety of skills but that's not the reason we want to talk i left at the california partnership against drongs o domestic violence a bill that is in their promoting that will effect the police departments in a way that is that that at this point, i building that domestic violence survivors are not charged for police reports the bill would require police departments to waive the fee for other forms of domestic violence not necessarily included as much as elderly abuse, sexual assault
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and human trafficking if that is what the alleged so just want to bring that us u up as a piece of information being - going through the process of the legislative so i wanted to let you you know any further report. >> didn't say anything about the blue ribbon panel. >> commissioner marshall will not say anything about the blue ribbon panel but what you have annunciating commissioner vice president turman and i attended a meeting the tenderloin with community members and have a question from a parent she is having difficulty taking her children to bart because of drug dealing and a number of community members were there we'll update there this and
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explaining some of the issues warrant broader look by this commission at this point, i'll call for public comment on items 3 a there 3-d welcome. >> john crew i'll speak about the cc audit and commissioner turman's as a resident of san francisco thank you for your service and try to be - i'm assisting a variety of groups on the officials including the caucus and the california aclu and to the i'm speaking for myself the roll we hear i think they agree first thank you to the police chief for meeting meeting with us to resolve the issues we know from the sfpd compliance report from lieutenant full board of supervisors testimony that officers san francisco officers
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participate in the f d i interviews representing the clients is quite common as the complaint with the occ the questions are i couldn't do is about first amendment and that complainants was not an aberration the san francisco police department has participate in a number of interviews we also know from the lieutenant testimony she apparently buildings because of the collection of first amendment for the f d i was not done in the guidelines that somehow the authorizations are not required that's not what the policy said we pointed out weeks ago it is contrary to the clear language and exactly that activity that the 8 point one 0 and subject to the form of your monthly reviews
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and the idea that explains why year after year the 8.0 no authorizations whatsoever naturally because the head of the department is making sure it is followed apparently under the mistaken belief the activities of this tie don't have to be authorized they're being off-the-books off the 8 point one 0 beyond the reach of the occ and this commission and, of course, the point of the ordinance and the chief bureau the mou and with the fbi didn't trumpet the policies to make sure all the police work is in strict experience with the policy it is most importantly to meet to try to resolve and thank you commissioner vice president turman for doing what the
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commission does to resolve doing everything we can we've look forward to the commission to address those issues but this report or it says no violations really mention nolo contendere severed violations it is off the book and your to audit to address this compliance not just the occ. >> thank you. >> next speaker >> good afternoon. >> michael i'm here representing government assess project and have to get back to the sunshine ordinance task force we're one of the matters they are hearing has to do with with my complaints against the police commission and want to address the police chief that the recent activities included going to the district attorneys blue ribbon panel on police accountability i had this sign i was showing at the forum i
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believe that the district attorney is corrupt i believe that is blue ribbon panel he's convened no power is a real problem because it is not looking at the problems win the police department that existed when george gascon was chief i believe what we're seeing with the blue ribbon parental that part of krurmthsz with indulging is he looking for a higher elected office i'm sorry commissioner president loftus you were not there when i was you were on the agenda for the blue ribbon panel he question what exactly the district attorney is doing with his collaboration with the fbi and salt lake city much the pane no documents from the district
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attorney about this blue ribbon panel who is paying for that he is had an organization called policy link that is running the mediates a memorandum of understanding or a public record request nothing received and a law firm their and a at the sunshine ordnance task force their representing the district attorney in terms of getting documents out of the police department i filed a records request to if they had how much the city a paying for them to do the sunshine ordnance work on behalf of the attorney we have a ambitious district attorney i believe is using police accountabilities issues to build his resume for his next campaign and i don't think that enough questions have been asked of the blue ribbon panel not having any
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power to effect change i don't know why the chief was there talking at this thing the middle of the day it that would be great to have that meeting at night there needed to be scrutiny about george gascon and the district attorney's office in terms of police accountability because the blue ribbon panel is nothing but window dressing thank you. >> thank you. >> is there any additional public comment? >> on item 3? >> welcome. >> thank you, commissioner i don't think i'm out of balance to talk about the blue ribbon panel but brought to your attention to the article the sf display the title a chief is in conflict i'll disagree with the
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previous speaker acetate blue ribbon panel any panel that is asking questions of the sfpd is a good thing and especially, if they're not tied into the department it's the way this commission unfortunately is tied in very, very closely i'll looking forward to george gascon report i think seeing a little bit of a tension as far as turf unawares wars between you. >> george gascon but again whoever is looking at the police department at a deep level it has gotten my support so, anyway the questions whether there is a old boys need not the police department i hope the doj will address old boy networks unfortunately do lead to you know situations that can cause a tremendous amount of trouble
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thank you. >> further public comment? you have to come up, sir to the mike so everyone can hear you >> okay. >> good evening and welcome sorry. >> i got a letter to be here for business is this still going on. >> we're not at your item yet. >> is there any additional public comment? >> okay hearing and seeing none. >> sergeant, next item. >> item 4. >> vote on whether or not conducted energy devices should be separated from the support and consideration at a at a later time action. >> so colleagues as you recall when we proposed having a discussion of use of force the department indicated that part of their request will be more or for on authorization for tasers
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use that has to come before the commission the department put out 3 proposed d go the bulletin is the request oh, i'm sorry bureau order for clarification and does request this commission to allow authorization for a - that bureau order which is i believe for a specific set of officers. >> special officers. >> special officers regardless we're not talking about the merits of order tonight but your colleague commissioner dejesus who unfortunately not able to be here bog of a work commitment i ask recall what here argument was that it is the request that we separate out the discussion of the bureau order for tasers
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and we heard public comment at the last meeting that suggested that giving a tasers at this stage a departure from the other orders and have the discussion of orders first make a decision that tasers is off the table and can be brought at at a later time and my request we do what we said whatever the department request is we discuss it as a whole and go to the review by the community and the doj and full public process and so that is what item 4 is about if anybody i've neglected to sort of give proper consideration to the commissioner dejesus request please jump in i'm doing any best to represent what her request is discussion?
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>> you don't have a motion on the floor so you can't have discussion. >> that was my concern. >> i will at this point commissioner wong i'll invite a motion. >> unless you'll make a motion you can't discuss it. >> a paramount has spoken. >> let me see if i can do that it seems like that was borrowed by commissioner dejesus i powerful to continue it or agendize that when she's present. >> second. >> is that allowed. >> of course if that's a motion you want to make you have to say having a second and move on voting. >> okay. so before we vote let's - >> actually now you can have a discussion (laughter) whether the motion should go forward. >> i'm relieved of a par
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telethon. >> the motion to continue this when commissioner dejesus is present we agendized it for today, we is it on the agenda is there a question how to fulfill it and take it over. >> i mean and that's my first question why it is on today's agenda. >> it was at the request of the commissioner dejesus. >> i need to speak into the mike dr. joe. >> normally when it happens a person is here. >> so is there any further discussion before we take public comment on this motion? >> okay. >> any public comment on item
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4. >> commissioners thank you interest indulging i want to support as an individual you'll separate the tasers and endorse the comments and the arguments why have an controversial issue entrenched with our good work and have a similar usf to instigating those issues if you're bringing a new weapon into the department a highly controversial one to make it a transparency one for it is fair for the public to ask and at this point not clear you have that offender is affordability and it's not just discipline i see not resulting in sixth discipline but most importantly appreciate commissioner vice president turman that is an outdoor that is critical to tracking the use of force and it was passed after a acholic beverage process 9 years ago and not clear if it is implemented
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or work or they came in and made recommendations 7 years ago and we still don't know that is respect to the community to make sure you authorized unit have a hearing but make sure that is working before you introduce a new weapon respect to the transparency that is a question of data which this department used to the old days put out dlaltsd use of force data reports and breakdown by use of force and station and trends i couldn't find that online anywhere missouri anymore it seems to me it is consist with the 21st century task force and the chief doesn't address really appreciate the capitol hill initiative but if i go to that website it didn't have the use of force data up there but the shootings if we could get data but it is important if you're going to tackle tasers and ask it this community to give their
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consent to the weapon i'll argue for a reason you have this in place the transparency and should it seems to me touthd to get two years of use of force data the numbers are not that high but to have that transparency in place to make sure your consist is working and not even a report and yet suppose to be reports you'll supposed to get every 6 months i'll respectfully y request you make sure that all of that is in place before you decide to go for tasers that's only common sense thank you. >> okay. >> further public comment on this particular matter. >> thank you, again commissioners i would like to say it very important to separate the tasers
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out from the entire package you know in you know in politics you you know folks say you don't want to say how bills are made a lot of times you know things that are would create a great deal the conflict would be put in one package so i think that the community deserves a full opportunity to come before you guys and comment on the tasers issue and the only way to have it separate so i'll stroelg in support of separating is it from other issues thank you. >> hello, again if we have the definition of active uses so include any other all
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instruments and body parts that can be applied to another person 2, 3, 4 use of force i'm concerned that you will leave out an instrument the controlled entity a fancy word 38 caliber weapon so a car a bumper on a car the question when is the under the circumstances of use of force should apply to anything you bring to the table whether it is a b 52 bomber or a peashooter as you implement new weapons technology allows you to create new weapons for use the use of force policy should be there for all i don't get it otherwise separate our automatic
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9 millimeter from the 38 and the baton and have a different use of force policy for all use of force it should be universal. >> i wanted to hand those from my last - >> okay is there any additional public comment? >> yeah great welcome. >> thank you. can you hear me. >> yes. >> as a medical profession i really would like to see physicians input on the use of tasers and you know from what i've read and the statistics i've seen their dangerous the wrong hands disastrous to the public you need to examine that before you have further discussions on these thank you.
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>> okay. thank you. >> is there any additional public comment? >> okay. colleagues commissioner melara. >> just to clarify what the motion is the motion is to take it off the calendar. >> so the motion we're not here to discuss tasers but here to discuss the motion if we want to keep on going on this yes on it if we wanted to say we'll not going to entertain it again we'll vote no. >> uh-huh. >> commissioner vice president turman. >> anyone else. >> okay. so we there is a motion and a second to vote whether or not to take this item off calendar given commissioner dejesus is not present pursue sergeant call roll.
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>> on the motion to continue item 4 when sxhoz present commissioner president loftus commissioner, how do you vote? commissioner vice president turman commissioner, how do you vote? dr. marshall. >> my concern is taking this off because the next time you'll take it off again, however, i want to establish this is not the best way to do things abuse the commissioner is not present but i'll vote yes to take if off calendar. >> are that mazzucco commissioner, how do you vote? commissioner wong commissioners, that places you under your x commissioner, how do you vote? >> commissioner melara no commissioner, how do you vote? yes are the majority the that motion carries.
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>> sergeant, next item. >> item 5 assignment of commissioner and setting a date for the disciplinary charges against the special parole officer action. >> all right. good evening. >> good evening, council state your appearance and special assistant special officer raising please coup. >> i'm here on behalf of the san francisco police department good evening. >> and mr. reece and i'm here honorable commissioners and chief and secretary as you know i'm sammy workout of the bayview hunters point and as
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you can see i'm not used to being here i probably would adjourn the meeting i apologize for that it is in our hands. >> we're on for sergeant killing shaw you're up commissioner mazzucco that handles the special cases. >> thank you very much so council if you provide special officer reece a copy of the charges we provide this complaint to officers brown and she serves the officers. >> officer reyes are you going to schedule only it is with our
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council for the police department and discuss the charges and discuss the disposition the chief gets involved down the road in setting the conference and the whole commission will decide whether or not there is he merits and decide we apologize i know it it takes time to find council within the next 5 days please leave our phone number with officer carr la brown and with sergeant rachel killing shaw we'll set this for a status conference on friday actually next friday does that work for you and we'll talk about where we'll go with the case and any disposition ms. killing shaw did that work friday at 2 o'clock
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p.m. a telephone phonetic call and sergeant killing shaw and basically discuss the matter. >> the telephone conference. >> yes. question die need to bring anything. >> you should talk about with your council i've not seen the charges you may want to talk to the council what you can bring and discuss those issues that is what you need to do i strongly suggest he residential council. >> a john ann draz are we filing charges. >> i've not had contact so i believe next wednesday officer brown and myself will be back here to address the special
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cases. >> that's right and commissioner president loftus with carla brown and officer andrew's is not responding to any question if the san francisco police department regarding those cars or other matters essentially not responding and in violation of the all the orders related to this is on calendar for next week officer carr la brown will make a presentation to reach him to mail and registered return mail and if he is not present and not responding as he's responded to do there will be a motion before this council to terminator him. >> anything further. >> thank you. >> thank you, officer reyes
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i'll take public comment on item number 5 and hearing and seeing none, public comment is closed. >> sergeant, next line item. >> item 6 public comment on all matters closed session including the public comment on vote whether to hold item 8 in closed session. >> any any public comment on this matter? >> hearing none, public comment is closed. sergeant, next lint item. >> item 7 vote on whether or not to holds item 8 in closed session administrative code section action. >> colleagues do have i have motion to hold item 8 in closed >> we're back in open session and we're adjournedgo.
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