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>> all right. good morning, everyone thank you for your patience welcome to the tuesday, july 26, 2016, meeting i'm katie tang and to my left is supervisor yee and chair farrell will not make it we'll make a motion and clerk linda wong and thank you jennifer lowe and march. >>
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completed speaker cards and documents to be included should be submitted to the clerk. items acted upon today will appear on the august 2nd board of supervisors agenda unless otherwise stated. >> thank you. can what he get a motion to excuse our chair farrell today. >> all right. without objection thank you item one please. item number one reduces for the rec and park department to accept from the how administration a design and development services for approximately $1.7 million for the ocean beach trail. >> thank you very much and just a few brief comments i supported this item and thank you to the various agencies we're working with on we're dealing with the severe erosion facing at the great how south so we're excited about an update project in conjunction as the vital issues with dealt with with that, i'm going to turn it over to rec and park for this
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item. >> good morning supervisor tang and supervisor yee my name is tony the grants manager for the rec and park department capital improvement division and on behalf of the department to request our recommendations to accept and an cycling grant if the how approximately, $1.7 million the administration authorizes the general manager to enter into the grant agreement for the project the federal how administration grant will handle the trailed project and administrative code by the federal lands how division with rec and park oversight the project located on the western lanes of great how between skyline and sloping those will be permanently closed as part of how reroute project
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by the public works the rec and park department has jurisdiction over this portion of great how and has been working with the national park service and spur and several agencies to develop a plan to provide assess to the parklands to this end the rec and park department proposes to create a pedestrian bicycle trail on the completion of the reroute project the project will include the surfacing and 8, tenth of that mile for asphalt a 12 foot wide pathway that will provide two-way multi use transportation between slope skyline and the removal of one and 60 square feet of asphalt the revegetation of one and 69
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square feet with nature plant and to manage the soil and erosion and bicycle parking and automobile parking upon approval the grant we'll move forward with the environmental review and design and expect it to begin in 2018 and completion will happen around july of 2018 on hand i have the project manager who what o can answer any questions i'm available to answer any questions. >> thank you for your presentation can you talk a little bit about about the matching fund. >> the grant match is requires 11.4 percent of the entire cost the grant if prop k that was approved at the yesterday's -
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san francisco transportation authority board meeting we have a match in place. >> okay. great thank you very much seeing none, no questions at this time and no budget analyst report public comment on item one. >> any member of the public wish to speak. >> i'm from the bicycle coalition we're thrive to see i'm happy to see this today, the biennial transportation and ocean beach master plan thank you for usual long dedication for the ocean beach really open space for people we're seeing this throughout san francisco before the closer of the openly up for people biking and walking and ocean beach has particular serpz with tsea level rise we'r
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glad significant public benefits with the trail and your commented to this over the years. >> thank you very much. is there any additional public comment on item one please come on. >> i'm the district congressman for jackie spier and this is a, long time collaborative process between the community and the city and it is a wonderful project we hope the board of supervisors will reenter into the agreement thank you. >> thank you very much is there any additional public comment on item one seeing none, public comment is closed. if we can get a motion to send this with a positive recommendation to the full board. >> all right. without objection. >> thank you item 2 please. item 2 resolution approving the amendment to a contract with al stone transportation to manage
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and extend the contract for an additional amount of 45 plus million. >> i believe we have john haley from the sfmta. >> good morning, supervisors thank you for the opportunity to address you on this topic back in 2012, we started a very focused program with our support to renew and rebuild our fleets that led to a number of procurements you've helped us accomplish to make the service better and today, we're asking you to continue the support for management initiative called the vendor managed inventory is somewhat unique to our system where the needs are unique in
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terms of our fleet we run a very diverse set of cars we run old cars many of which have suppliers and sub suppliers gone out of business and so what is put before you two years ago a management initiative to use a vendor management to allow us to improve our service and to improve our best practices and what i hope to show you this morning that the efforts we've made have been successful and we ask your support and experiencing the option in the last that two options in the contract going forward. >> the focus of this management effort to improve the rail service that is critical just to direct your attention to this this is the distance the
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flare this is our fleet of cars what is interesting over the last 5 years a steady increase in reliability this despite the fact the cars are running more miles a focus of the maintenance effort of which this is a part when we came to you 5 years ago and started asking for approval for money for our fleet renewables one of the things you as the board asked show us your maintenance we need better maintenance that is something you need to focus on we've been doing that religion rigging and throats help of looking at the maintenance practices and the staffing levels and looking at how we get a parts on a timely basis to your vehicles so in the case of light rail
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vehicles our reliability continues to improve and these are the reasons he mentioned this is how we've done this with the focus today how we've been able to address and long standing problem making sure we have the right parts at the right time to support doing our preventive maintenance as well as our repairs on a timely fashion vmi fills a gap from the structure that is bringing on a firmer with knowledge of the industry an expert that works with both materials management staff and our maintenance staff to inu unify the industry and someone if we have a difficult part or concern about quality how do we get this part in
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i won't go over the issues some of the results we've seen i'll show you in a minute are availability of parts has improved from the service perspective that enabled our safety to improve by doing complete and on time inspections as we run nor miles on the cars because of the increased demand and special event from a business perspective it is lead with the 3 three-legged stool to better forecasting and planning and resulted in psychologist efficiency and in the system this chart simply by showing the consumption huge increase in part consumption this the level of maintenance we need to be doing this will keep the system safe and reliable and justin the
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best practices to hope to support this is key this is really a dramatic increase over a period of time period of years and we need to do this at this level to sustain and make improvements in the system this is the focus of this has been on the pause but we get help and support with the pcc and historical. >> mr. haley on that chart the huge part increase due to the fact the trains are older or from another reason. >> no, it is not because their older it is because the part consumption is in our maintenance prevented active maintenance program are based on the mileage this show you we're doing all the inspection on time and a complete inspection with the replacement parts ahead of time at regular integrals as
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called for by the manufacturer not just wade for something to fail part of it has been a problem here with due do lead time and complexity and so the consumption a combination of highly availability, better, more miles run and the other thing about the consumption that allows us to utilize the cars one of the things we've done over the last two years in particular is stabilize the availability if rush how are you don't have two car trains think is l and m and enough cars to schedule the services that's been an issue so the parts consumption is really a combination but really about us developing and growing into the kind of maintenance program that we need to do at your you know we looked at the challenges
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you gave us to improve the maintenance and we've done that 0 through looking at the practices and staffing levels and the kind of work we focused on campaigns or over halls of components and systems that fail all the time all those things have lead to the improvement and the parts consumption does that answer your question. >> okay. thank you. >> on the by his side we have for years struggled with virnd as one of the other side of having a difference fleet is having parts from one type of vehicle that didn't fit on another vehicle our practice to rotate or turn the inventory over one of the things we've seen no more now the expectation rather than the rule when a mechanic has to make a repair fills out a card and walks to
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the window as has the part that was not always the case this is something to be focused of a better planning effort so we know the parts we need that means both business economics and service and reliability when we look to extend this we look at other alternatives to not extending the option, however, we think this extending the option builds on the success that is, established and the best alternative to right now we are asking you to you to exercise two options the budget analyst recommendation was to extend those two options we embrace that we asked originally for an additional two years in
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their report which we continue to support they suggested prudent to exercise those two options right now and wait to see what the marketplace looks like in two years with the additional completion that's a wise recommendation we'll endorse that and pledge to do with that time is i mentioned is a model that fits outline unique circumstances of new and old i think what we'll want to do at the sfmta work with other transit systems to develop a market i mean right now not a lot of people that provide parts for equipment no longer made maybe opportunities as our new l l v to work with additional concerned we support of recommendation and ask today fewer approval to exercise the last two options.
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>> okay. >> great, thank you for your presentation do you have any thoughts about the contracts for the bus fleets as well. >> yes. we have we're on our 8 procurement for rubber tires for the including the option we've exercised and going to look at that with new flier that is manufacturer of both buses and trollies we think that is a concept that will work and summit our best practices we're going to look at that over the next several months. >> okay. and then i know that you had a chart that showed the average distance between breaks down and maintenance requirements and that has obviously in terms of the miles traveled increased over time that's a good thing in terms of translateable terms for the muni
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passengers what are they seeing for example, reductions no details and set forth what other metrics do you have to show this system is helping to improve the turn on or near time when you have an issue. >> i think that on a daily basis now with vehicles we have bus and rail between 50 and 60 details on average the chart i showed you called mean distance between failure mentions how long the cars run before a mechanical defect and that mileage goes up it causes not to delay that is a symptomatic less details i can provide you if you request specific numbers of details we have right now versus back to 2012 on the rail system
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for the power but this number the viability will not look like without a reduction. >> great we would like to see this information. >> supervisor yee. >> in regards to your i think what you're talking about is consistent might make sense but maybe make sense but wonder if you have factored in the fact that we have been purchase a lot of newer vehicles and i would think you - when we were purchasing new vehicles that was about oh, won'tdown breaks often not old and we won't have to maintain them as densely as the oldest ones so when you talk about spend less or being more efficient in terms of breaks
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down is it due to the maintenance of older vehicles or are we factoring in the fact that newer vehicles don't breakdown as often. >> let me try to make sure i understand your question, sir. >> i think that the details in the breaks down inherently older vehicles breakdown more in the case of the vehicles we showed here i would suggest that they were probably under maintained for a number of years for a varieties of reasons that's not so what we've done as we began to look at the fleets to improve the maintenance practices so the fact we're able to get older vehicles to one vendor is a combination of making sure we do
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our inspections on the mileage cycles so the training the mechanics part of it is understanding those part that have been difficult to get so frequently parts we're not replaced on the integrals they were supposed to be so those things as well as part of it is we focused on the day to day servicing my name is if the vehicles have a problem while in service can you recover quickly those kinds of things that is a combination of things and having the what this bmi practice provides is the ability to get us the parts that we couldn't get before - >> i think i'm convinced that you are thinking about all those things i'll actually, the question comes from commissioner
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sanchez thoughts in terms of how we measure the effectiveness of the way we're this system you have versus the old system and it will show that we will have smaller breaks down when i see the data i'm suggesting the data should be apples to apples we shouldn't for instance, when include the maintenance records of last any new vehicles we purchased in the last two or three years because in the past we had a lot of older vehicles we should compare the data with older vehicles. >> understood and on the bus side we have that data and we will provide data right now we have no new rail vehicles we
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will later this year have them and, of course, start that practice i agree i understand now thank you. >> thank you very much so at this time go to the budget analyst report on item 2. >> yes. madam chair and supervisor yee we report the actual contract expenditures of the contract from september 1st, 2013, to august 31st, 2016, are $29 million plus the contract budget to be for the remaining for august 2018 is $25 million plus in a subcontract of $55 million plus that is for the 5 year contract and an option on to basis to august 31st, 2020, will increase the contract by $25 million for a total amount of $80 million
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plus and this is shown on page 3 of our report. >> on page 4 we note that the sfmta originally decided my understanding it concurs with our recommendation we report they decided not to issue an rfp for the management services for the par and instead to expand the contract from cement first 2018 to august 2020 to it is provided the services that resulted in efficient and cost effect purchase of parts and sfmta has not identified other contractors to provide the services for sfmta l r v we conclude on the bottom of page 4 to extend the option for additional two years through august 31st, 2020, is two years into the future the availability
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of contractors to provide the parts for the management services could change no our recommendation on the bottom of page 4 we recommend you amend the promoted resolution as the same data as august 31st, 2018, and reduce the contract not to exceed by $25 million plus and $80 million plus to $55 million plus if you accept that recommendations this will eliminate the $25.5 million for the two soltice in order to allow a new option for 2018 and recommend you approve the recommendation as recommended. >> mr. haley sounds like you are in agreement with that recommendation? >> yeah. >> great so why not public comment for item 2 anyone wish to comment on item number please come up seeing none, public comment is closed.
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>> now a motion to adopt the budget analyst recommendation. >> i make a motion to adopt the budget analyst report with a positive recommendation to the full board. >> without objection. >> item 3 resolution authorizing the department of health to accept and expend a gift of a collection to the laguna hospital and the rehabilitation fund. >> thank you. we have deanna chang from the laguna honda. >> good morning. i'm here on behalf of the laguna honda and we're grateful to the lady for her generous donations nostrils a need with the laguna honda hospital we will provide fund for disabilities for a high-level of injuries or mropz
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or strokes the technology it had any tool that helps individual to their environments and help to gain independence with a meaningful activity so example of the use of those are voice activeed and communications devices we are currently in the process of developing the program plan to meet those residents of greatest need with those devices and lastly a new code with laguna honda gift fund with the donors to sustain the program. >> great, thank you and supervisor yee is the sponsor of this item. >> oh, yeah. i wanted to thank you for being here laguna honda hospital is right in my district and one of the places i've - i seem to be visiting all the time i want to
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make some minor amendments to this and i just passed out the amendments to you so i would like to make a motion to amend the title to accept and expend the gift of molly frencher one thousand dollars and assistant technology equipment and services and then i also want to motion to amend the description for an authorization for the department of health to retroactively accept and expend the gift from ms. molly fefrner to the laguna honda hospital found fund for the equipment for residents at the lounld where otherwise i - >> thank you. we'll take that after public comment on this
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item so at this time we will go to public comment on item 3 member of the public want to speak seeing none, public comment is closed and so there was a motion to adopt to clarify the donation from ms. flefrn in her if technology and excitement without objection and want to send forgot with a positive recommendation without objection. >> item 4. >> item 4 ordinance for the police code to make the technical parents lastly with original intent. >> thank you i don't know if anyone is here to speak from supervisor wiener's i believe elena is here. >> sorry ellen had to attend
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another meeting we've worked closely with a supervisor wiener's and the city attorney's office no change in the intent of the original legislation that is simply to help to coordinate the paid leave and mostly just procedural. >> supervisor yee. >> i'm a co-sponsor and looking at the technical amendments and respond. >> want to appreciate our local office here all right. so at this time questions or comments in budget analyst report item 4 anyone wish to comment seeing none, public comment is closed. and move that with a positive recommendation to the full board >> without objection item 5 please. item 5 resolution approving the 7 parties supplemental to memorandum of understanding
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regarding financial candidates to address the financing for the corridor e ;line indication so if you want to just identify yourselves on the record. >> i'm with inhabits and speaking and giving you a short presentation. >> i thought i'll give you a context first of all, we want you to orient you to $7.80 miles to gi roadway from san francisco san jose we're talking about the project it is really take place in an area of the corridor that caltrain runs this slide really tells a picture what we're seeing on the system dramatic growth year by
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year and the last 6 years droubld the riderships we're over 60 thousand riders everyday on the corridor there is a lot of these ways to measure the ridership one the seating expanded we measured under trains northbound and a lot of people are standing when we took those in the low ridership this is higher in the months we see more folks on the corridor now i think that the picture tells a thousand words as you can see from an average day looks like on the system we're seeing train is not only northbound but southbound we have a directal route that is unique and it breakdown to 60 percent of ridership northbound and 40 experience southbound the services toughing community and
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key areas throughout the corridor we hear a lot from rider we're hearing from businesses a tremendous economic activities that happened on the corridor a lot of commuters don't think this to get to their jobs 75 of caltrans are talking to to work and 60 percent have access to a car but choose caltrain so 60 though plus riders were pushed on the 101 we'll see nor congestion that make people's lives difficult. >> now we're doing stems for the short time capacity if you look at the train you'll no some of the cars are is a different color diesel cars to out on the system a short-term fix what is needed a few transformation of the system an aging fleet and
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can't stack more cars there is performance and infrastructure concerns. >> so would what we want to move forward this is how we'll add it with the caltrain modernization this is two systems a signal we finished all the construction and in the testing phase there is also growing pains with a project that is one that has been mandated from the federal government and systems across the country are implementing that on the front edge of implementing and i'm available to answer any questions but the focus the presentation is on the corridor electrical indication that is driving the desires for the funds to move forward with that critical project and other projects to come so again, the - the
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infrastructure will be overhead contact and compatible with high speed rail now electric trains and we will be replacing 75 of our fleet of the diesel and the services is 79 mile-per-hour but able to increase the services this is really important for our riders in the community along the corridor to add trains per hour and change the pattern i've got to get is that in the next slide and in the intern a - they'll continue to serve the corridor so this slide gets to the service benefits and so again, we're increasing the number of train per how are they start and stop faster and one of the popular train the baby bullet in 60 minutes from san francisco to
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san jose and electrical trains in 45 minutes or keep the 60 minutes it is driven a lot of the ridership we can with 13 stops and set out the number of people that are riding the system and make sure that trains that a lot of people are interested in and increasing the ridership supervisor yee. >> just as a quick question so no so confused when you say 5 versus 6 trains are you talking 5 cars or 5 local moves. >> 5 trains in one direction on this slide we're highlighting the benefits when you replace a diesel with electrical when green house gas emissions and cleaner air but also one you may
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not have been the engine enjoys the electrical are quieter than cars with gas line and this shied the funding we wanted to highlight that it has been a partnership to put this together 17 cities and a federal regional and local level to have this go forward our federal partners have worked with us with the core capacity and the obama administration loaded $73 million and an additional $25 million and we'll be working with the caltrain and along the secretary of transportation and committed over $7 million and our partners combined we'll have the support to move forward with this project. >> and what you are addressing today a that party supplemental
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ms. an agreement that builds on the 9 party agreement that started this project from here we have a lot of partners as part of this and again that support is clearly demonstrated owe the anonymous support and thank you both for your votes for the part of transportation authority to vote on the end understand of june those make up the backbone and oversight protocol our partners are vetted in the project and understand where we are we already have san francisco attending the meeting for both promotions and look forward to continuing that update and we don't give you this update but happy to come back as we move forward with a project this slide again reinforcing we have so many support people are asking with the capacity we have
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and the needs not future we'll continue to grow and how quickly can we get this project right now it is environmentally clear with the funding agreement we'll be able to hit the key milestones to have in 2020 an electrified vehicle and one and 50 years old so we're looking at to 21st century my slide the electrical indication is the foundation we can do more in the corridors without that we can't get to the downtown transit center we want to see and serve the business community and let the all the way down improvements as the system to have the fully electrified fleet and high speed rail not a partnership to get to downtown san francisco if we didn't put in place the electrified system
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as part of the project and in the middle of the environmental so thank you for your time and we appreciate your support and wanted to move forward and i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> if you have any. >> thank you very much for your high-level presentation on this i'm actually ask to go to the budget analyst report first, i think i have questions on the funding mr. rose pointed out. >> madam chair and supervisor yee on page 9 of our report we note the revised cost for the early strategy projects for the peninsula of the system for the caltrain and the high speed rail is $2.21 billion one billion dollar for the peninsula electrical indication and 200 plus the communication based overlay signal system and the
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proposed budget for those two projects on page 10 we have a table two which shows the funding sources for the projects and on page 11 we note the city has not identified funding sources for $16.5 million for the new contribution of $20 million ultimately that goes up do $80 million with respect to the $20 million $16.1 million has not been identified and for that reason we consider approval for the policy matter for the board of supervisors because that funding sources has not been identified. >> thank you very much so there were other information as well in the report you know, i saw for example, that part why we're here with
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the supplemental or summit to the mou the increased costs of peninsula interpretation project going from 1.225 to one plus billion dollars some of the reasons in terms of i think that was increased costs to the project so i am wondering if someone from caltrain can explain. >> absolutely our cost estimate was bans 2008 from that alone there are some solution but done the due diligence to scrub the numbers and this is pretty old when we updated in 2014 we did a deeper dive and looked at it what that means to build this on is an tuff railroad to make sure we have
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the 60 thousand bus rides and help them and scrubbing the numbers and consistency the federal and the fta asked us to put for contingency into our project. >> were there me issues with the project itself or so forth or just those two reasons. >> no, i mean caltrain has had on the books to electrical, if any, the system for thirty years so the idea and the scope of the project hazard remained it is bringing it up to date and getting the bids that's the last one the internal numbers but just a couple of months ago bids were in place until the end of august we mean to center the fund for the funding partners to hold the bids if they lapse we could - more there to the
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project. >> given the funding that mr. rose identified and in terms of san francisco share not identified 16 point one million dollars of the contribution i don't know if it should be a ta question or - mayor's office question but i would like to figure out what our plan is here to identify the fund gaps. >> good morning, supervisors anna deputy director at san francisco municipal transportation agency of the million dollars that is to fund the mou and prop k has sales tax program we've received the funding request if caltrain and we'll present did request to the transportation authority in september but following execution of mou certainly
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the additional funds are eligible for one of the regional transit categories that is in the revenue measure that will be on the ballot in 2016 in november funding from the general fund set aside so for transportation and homelessness this is part of expenditure plan proposed in the new revenue measure. >> just for the record will you stayed how much is amended in the tax proposal for november. >> i believe 16.1 the difference between the 20 and the prop k funds we've identified. >> supervisor yee. >> just a logical question what if then what. >> meaning what if it didn't pass. >> certainly i mean san francisco will need to provide the funding and we would need to work to identify funding
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sources. >> oh, have you started doing that in a contingency plan. >> you know the one thing i want to add to this conversation a commitment to secure the funds we're not on a timeline once we find the mou we expect the $16 million tomorrow or the day after the ballot measure the mou didn't specify where the funds come from i understand the desire to know where the funds come from and work with the city administrator but the $60 million if for the project we won't expect that on day one it's just a little bit of helpful information. >> my feeling if we make a commitment we should be committed to accomplishing i'm just wondering you know what is the reality accomplishing this.
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>> i would say that we'll identify the funding sources i mean this is a extremely important project for the city and county of san francisco we have been able to fully fund the 60 commitment to the mou in 2012 that was prop a had not passed on the go bond fund that funded the $39 million or so towards the $60 million so we were in a similar boat at this time but we'll identify as a city and county the remaining amount. >> thank you. i guess i have a followup question about it seems the larger investments we have that requires some time to
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get to it by the time we get to it, it is going up because of what you stated a unknown factors i've seen what happened to many of our infrastructure cost in san francisco there's not even going 5 or 10 percent doubling in a lot of cases are you anticipating any more increases. >> i'm not. >> (laughter). >> you know, i think we understand that the importance of maintaining the schedule and budget we have in place and accept e especially with so many other partners in place we have an oversight protocol in place all the partners that are contributing the fund can be part find process and you know identify issues before that he become issues we're doing everything we can in our power to make sure this stays on time
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and budget i know one project in san francisco that is meeting that we're working with all the partners that have been successful in making sure we learn from them and have them and stay on track. >> so this is sort of changing direction but the trains that will be electrical will it be able to go to transbay. >> only the electrical trains will go to tb and the diesel will not that's the reason to get this project in last as quickly as possible. >> that's good news i'll support this. >> thank you supervisor yee you mentioned the oversight and building on supervisor yee's previous request about cost increases certainly i know every time not just this project but many large
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projects that come before us asking for increases whether a contract or amend an mou because of the unanticipated are you know unforeseen circumstances can you talk a little bit about about the protocol what was it put in place and exactly what that does. >> i believe a copy was in our report but put in place because we meet on a regular basis with the funding partners and had a monthly meeting we bring together the stakeholders and realized it is more important to have them individual the protocol what in the last 3 months in place and being active we know our funding partners wanted in order to support this mou this is what we have the support from the partners what it does it let's the staff come to the meetings we can come to
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the project team and the schedules meeting and the budget ones i think we have almost a dozen meetings we've opened up to the partners. >> that's kind of the high-level but make sure they're part of project. >> okay. i think that i know that this is incredibly important project i think that just in putting on my ta hat perhaps deeper dive in terms of the project management for all the components that combats is embarking upon perhaps schedule something which i chair or at the ta board that had been important. >> yeah. >> to do a deeper dive. >> this will be more important to keep the partners involved and know wherewith we are with the schedule i'll be happy to do >> at this time then do we have anyone wish to comment on
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item number item 5 if so, please come on up. >> good morning bryan from jackie spier director she supports the project and ratifying this proposal this project is eligible for a little bit over one billion dollars with the historic events that bought us to this today all over the place senator obama was electricity president he is a supporter of government programs that's where the billion dollars or so is coming when you start to look at the made up of this it is a time sensitive problem we have if the combats folks are not able to get if full funding signed by the government then this is possible the obama and g don't know the commitment to
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the next president of the high speed rail we urge the board to go forward and fully participate and enjoy the benefits of electrical indication thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> hello, i'm bryan i'm a member of the friends of dtx we urge you to support this agreement because of the development going on in both near the transbay center and even with the future plans for the central soma corridor south of the freeway we have so many buildings going up we need to get people to downtown and to soma and without the increase with the electrical indication and the new vehicles we're going to have an assess problem with getting people to downtown and as mentioned earlier this is obviously a stepping stone towards getting rail into the tb sooner that is
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a critical project for both the city and the region thank you very much. >> thank you >> next speaker, please. >> good morning peter straus for the san francisco transit riders our board has not taken the position on the electrical indication but consistently sports the downtown extension of caltrain and go eventually high speed rail to the transit center we think that is the most important major transportation capital priority for the central subway and feel this is something that should say expedited by all means the electrical indication is letter of the law as stated several times one of the projects that is essential about we contemplate extending caltrain to the terminate we believe
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they're a a number of funding sources that can be utilized hopefully, the sales tax weasel pass in november that's the those obvious using the progression that can be utilized you have already sponsored this once as sitting as the transportation authority and i would hope that you'll support it again as sitting as is of supervisors thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> next speaker, please. >> hello, again i'm an advocate director for the bicycle coalition on behalf of the 10 thousand plus members caltrain our members care about and as we know with the numbers themselves caltrain has historically been one of the worlds leaders in providing this - people actually have more options where jobs where they're going and hope that you now
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you're wearing the board of supervisors hat and mou move forward we know that san francisco every transportation network is add it's limit so electrical indication is important to make sure there are more options in the future that are sustainable and we as the city are reducing auto congestion on the street and appreciate the comments around the further cost increases we agree that san francisco can't continually find now revenue measures that the costs might change but echo peter's comments there are new options and hope that mou can move forward thank you. >> i'm curious can you ask you a question. >> supervisor yee. >> what are your thoughts about the option. >> pardon. >> what's the thoughts about the revenue other peoples money. >> i'm pleased to say that
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this san francisco bicycle coalition is endorsing the bart measure and the three quarters sales tax measure that decision was made last night those measures are important when we - it comes to the holistic transportation in san francisco and the bay area they came out of the mayors 2030 task force we were members of. >> thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> good morning, supervisors my name is restraining order lane i wrote to you a couple letters on the issues i hope you had time to read them i live in south san jose you may wonder why i'm not in support of this project in its current form a lack of capacities on the cost
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of mous how can anyone stand in front of and ask you to spend $6.75 percent of the fleet we have bike capacity reached over 50 percent when you put that into the the capacity of the train by 25 percent of the entire fleet with $200 million less the second issue with the time and the cost of the electrical indication nothing wor electrifying it doesn't make sense spending more money than the world electrifying something we'll get later and i'm requesting a no vote for the administration who first job will be to complete a full analyzed starting with awkward
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passenger and i got 30 seconds left of the funding more serious than you think $600 million of property bonds that can't be employment caltrain to introduce legislation that will modify the bond language because currently this project didn't qualify didn't make it possible to go the the transbay in the thirty- thank you. >> thank you very much. >> any other members of the public wish to comment on item 5 seeing none, public comment is closed. i'm wondering in caltrain or any other entities could respond to some of the comments from the last commenter i know if you wouldn't mind addressing as many as you can
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>> you know rolland comments well, i've seen him at the a lot of the meetings i wasn't writing them all down but maybe on the funds side one of the most relevant our commitment with the california high speed rail authority is a commitment with the state of california and the transportation entity we signed another agreement with them we brought to the caltrain board and scheduled to go the light rail board with the mou that commits them to providing the funds if they're not able to provide the prop a funds they'll find other sources they're like san francisco everyone may have their own unique set of challenges to providing the funds for the project but to date not one partner that committed fund not put forwarding their fair share on the capacity side i think that is another one that is just
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something not actually true with that project we'll be able to have more capacity than today and carry nor riders and get ios performance benefits we don't get with electrical trains for the ability for it to stop and start much faster than today you don't get that those are an antiquated stamp maybe the two most relevant and happy to address other ones. >> okay seeing no other questions or comments i'm okay with approving that with the understanding i'd like nor in depth follow-up but for the purposes of budget committee i will be fine with moving item 5 to the full board with a positive recommendation. >> a motion. >> so moved. >> without objection thank you our madam clerk call
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items 6 and 7 together and sorry supervisor yee. >> one minute recess. >> okay. a onerecess. >> all right. thank you we're back from recess and we're on asking our madam clerk call items 6 and 7 together >> the issuance and delivery of multi family in an aggregate not to exceed $32.1 million for the acquisition and construction of an 83 multi family rental housing on mission street within the city and item 7 approving the exclusion of real estate in connection with the acquisition of the parcel on mission street. >> thank you very much
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we have adam here from mayor's office of housing and community development. >> good morning, supervisors. i'm adam i'm the porlg for the mayor's office of housing and community development and here for the affordable housing for the mission street an issuance for a resolution for the revenue bonds and the purchase of the grounds at the site as for the bond issuance the transaction is not changed since mohcd prepared this and inundocumented to the committee and the issuance is a condo fuentes and all the project units will still serve families aribnb more than 50 percent and many of the units serve the families that are at risk of homelessness so very deep and not capping the tenants
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as we've mentioned previously as for the land disposition the purpose ground lease on the lp that is controlled by the tenderloin neighborhood development center bout the parcel in 2007 for $5.5 million with acquisition loans if the mayor's office of housing and all of the - importantly at that time, those loans were conditioned on the tariff of land for the construction and due to poor marketing the design were detailed until 2013 and some of the last 3 years the project was revised after a great deal of work with the mission gained the construction in the next few months, however, the poor construction had the transfer of the city that is contemplated in
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2007 and hence a resolution before the sales price for the property will be the cost of the original loans $5.5 million that was the budget analyst will mention is a great deal for the city and favorable terms considering the market price is now $17.5 million and the term is also great for affordability 85 years with an option to extend for 14 years this will insure the deep affordability of the project as for a timeline we anticipate bond closings next no with the construction this september construction is to be completed by the end of 2017 by close mohcd would like to request the ground lease we've distributed the amendment to the clerk you
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know essentially is original resolution referenced the kashlg exemptions under ceqa and there was fabricate a negative declaration we went through an update of the resolution to rise the references to that fact so i'll be happy to read you know the amendments into the record or allow the committee to be provided whichever the committee. >> i think i see unless our city attorney thinks this so be read but it says it is analyzed and received. >> that's right. >> so in closing is chris a representative and on behalf of the mayor's office of economic workforce development we'd like to thank you and ask for your continued support and workers. >> thank you very much for your presentation.
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>> let's go to our budget analyst report at this time. >> yes. madam chair and supervisor yee on bottom of page 15 of our report we report that the total amount of rent by the tenderloin for worker's comp over the term of '85 lease is one million dollars plus shown in table 2 on page 16 of our report we also report that the proposed development at the 1036 mission street is estimated $50 million plus and that is shown in table 3 on page 16 we do recommend that you approve that proposed resolution this is consistent with the board of supervisors policy. >> thank you i know that you mentioned our report that the proposal is
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shorter than lout in the 3-d g downtown i wonder in the mayor's office of housing can respond to that why the proposal is basically that way. >> sure two things more importantly financial feasibility and they conducted a study that - they studied the possibility of increasing the height to the maximum and based on you know the increased expenditures this will lead to from you know a complex foundation system the addition of an emergency generator and life safety and all things motto mention the cost of the trades for a larger unit or a larger unit count you know they found that that will cost an additional $20 million to develop this rev r and only 17
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units more importantly the additional cost is 3 times the amount of gap funding from mayor's office of housing and community development in addition in terms of timing it was entitled the design they incorporated a greater number of units in 2014 and you know the project received the building permit in june of this year, the project is ready to go and start construction in september of this year you know so any further details will setback a project you know 10 years in the making a great-uncle i appreciate that explanation all right. at this time then i will open up for public comment 6 and 7 seeing no other questions anyone wish to comment seeing none, public comment is closed.
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so i'm very supportive of this project moving forward as we all know that affordable housing is the topic so the more we create now is better so and appreciate 40 units dedicated to our homeless individuals or household so at this time let's see if we can entertain a motion to amend item 7 as stated by mohcd supervisor yee. >> the amendment to item 7. >> of course go to those amendments. >> we'll take that without objection and send forth item 6 and 7 to the full board with a positive recommendation. >> thank you very much item 8. >> resolution authorizing the treasure island director to submit a grant application and accept and expend environment of
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$12 million for the state of california sustainable community program. >> i believe we have bob beck. >> chair and supervisor yee bob beck with the treasure island authority and want to talk about the grant application we filed with the affordable housing and sustainable communities grant program the program is a cap & trade program that was developed by the state and administrative code by the states strategic growth council for the transportation and infrastructure elements that connect disadvantaged community with green house low carbon transportation the application requires a commitment from the jurisdiction to accept and extend prior to acceptance this brings us here today
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the treasure island program is to develop 8 thousand new homes on treasure island 25 percent of will be affordable up to 5 hotel rooms and office and retail space and new infrastructure and sea level rise adaptations the program was entitled in 2011 and last may we accepted our first land transfer from the navy predemolition abatement began february of this year and demolition in an structural package are mobilized we're a co-applicant with treasure island community development the developer for treasure island and as part of disposition agreement tida are pledged to
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maturing look at grant opportunities to facilitate the development on treasure island we've developed this working with the tenderloin neighborhood development corporation that is filed by the interest rate and vessels the homeless initiative our current application is focused on the transportation elements of preamble and doesn't include the affordable housing we anticipate playing for this in future cycles our first affordable housing parcels won't be scheduled to start until 2018 and we'll not be able to complete those within the cycle but have many more transportation elements that can be partnered with affordable housing in the future
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the preliminary scope of the application is sustainable transportation infrastructure the amount of $10.4 million this includes the bus stopst hub 3 new affordable health care transit i buses that provides service to the i'd like with the first occupancy in 2019 four miles of sidewalks 2 and a half mile of class 1 bike parking spaces and one class 2 bike parking spaces and a number of intersections improvements and bike share facilities and the plazas at the ferry terminal and landscape amenities through the phases of development that includes yerba buena island and the south western corner of treasure island that includes half a million dollars for tida
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to work with the mobility management tihdi to develop and implement the van pool shuttler busy business to provide a joint assess off the island to critical services and facilities that's the there is no city local match to this application the developer is providing an additional 23 and a half million dollars of improvements to match but i'll take any questions you may have. >> thank you for the high-level view it is important we're planning to build so many more units on treasure island but america's cup a transit installation as well so i know this is very much needed seeing
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no questions or comments public comment on item 8 anyone wish to comment seeing none, public comment is closed. no budget analyst report for this so supervisor yee. >> i'll make so motion to pass this on with a positive recommendation without objection. >> item 9 and 11 together. >> a resolution authorizing the lease been between the city to be used for retail warehouse and related space on adam street and item 11 to consider the lease funds to the san francisco public library in an amount of $1.2 million for the fascination of several operations into one location. >> thank you. we have our library director here. >> yes good morning supervisor tang and supervisor yee it's my
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pleasure to present background to lease space at a location on grant street as a that have the background to recognize we've been looking to identify some space that will house some collections we have in bruce hall that is locally inadequate for the needs we have for some of the archiveal collections in the distribution program working closely with the department of real estate they've visited identified this as multiple functions for the library i want to highlight as you know the city collects materials that are important for you historical preservation purposes those materials will be relocated to the location on 750 brannan
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street and in addition, we have ass also have the redistribution program a collection of materials that deselected in the collection and made available for nonprofits and schools and so forth to have those last year, we have 75 thousands of materials we donated for a good nd the city ordinance required to make them available bruce hall is no the an ideal location this is a distribution point to relocate on brannan street we have a very active book mobiles and those are spread out two of them are house, if you will, at 39 oh, pier 19 and a half for the health fair we pay rents and the
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additional two are located at the main library so we'll consolidate this function at this location and make sense to have the staff occupying this leased space and finally there is the proposal that the friends of the library and is foundation will be relocated to be housed at the leased space and pay their portion of rent at this location so we're very optimistic this 10 year lease with options 3 openings options to for 5 years lease the space i know that john updyke the director of real estate is here to office specification and our director is here with that, open for in any questions and ask for your support in authorizing this
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lease beginning in december of 2017. >> thank you supervisor yee. >> so this is a consolidation of several piece of your operation that is coming from different places or - >> that's correct. >> mostly from brooks hall. >> underneath or in brooks hall. >> any reason why brooke hall is not charged. >> it is inadequate in terms of preservation and to retrofit that space will be costly and in the future there is other potential used for bruce hall and asked to vacate that again, just not feasible not realistic to have staff work out of that space right now and again, it is cost proximately caused to assume we'll be able to make the
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improvements we've been looking for leased space that will meet the needs for the redistribution center in the assembly for the public and nonprofits to assess that again collecting and distributing the prematerials that are selected if the collection and the book mobiles and those functions will be part of the consideration. >> so the question would be since most of what you're the operations you're talking about of books hall not costing money to rent but costing about $10 million or whatever over a 10 year period. >> that's correct. >> what is the budget that your budgeted for . >> yes, it is and in addition to that through the budget cycle we are asking do release some of the money placed on reserve for the 6 months of rent in addition
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to the city share the tenants improvements but the commission has been aware this is a long term commitment they fully support. >> thank you >> thank you very much and, of course, there have been suggestions in the past we need to do more to improve how is it is we're maintaining the archive information and materials so certainly understand the need and as well as the cost increases for the friends of the library and the current space at the whim of the landlord at the time so at this time let's go to this budget analyst report on items 9 and 11. >> yes. chair and supervisor yee on page if the proposed lease results in net new costs for operating expenses of 8 hundred plus million dollars in the first year go $9 million
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plus over 10 years shown in table 5 on page 23 of the report so the total net new costs over 10 years with rent operating expenses and improvements of $10 million plus on page 24 of our report the library currently i'll add for years used boxes for the city archives and redistribution at no cost to the library and the use of pier 19 and a half a cost of $15,000 per year we consider approval of this proposed resolution as file 60 plus and the release of the reserve file 16 to be a policy matter for the board of supervisors because of the proposed increases results and
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significantly new costs of $4 million plus if the board of supervisors approves the lease of this number in the budget reserve the balance on reserve of $545,000 should be returned to the library fund balance. >> thank you is that something the library agrees with and, yes. >> at this time let's go to public comment on items 9 and 11 then. >> seeing none, public comment is closed. i will go so for that 7 brandon is not this is a museum where in fact, some of the materials are housed but it is a good spot for the redistribution program and so forth i'll be okay for item 11 to move to the lease budget
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committee reserve 1 pt million dollars we'll get a motion to release that and file item 11 >> moved. >> without objection and on item 9 if we can get it motion to send that with the budget analyst recommendation to the full board with a positive recommendation. >> move that two. >> without objection item 9. >> thank you very much all right. item 10 please. item 10 resolution authorizing the lease open 56 street to 309 with more parking stalls with the townsend option for the monthly rental of approximately $15,000. >> well mr. updyke. >> good morning director of real estate john
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updyke this is a lease really a ble of a prior lease and the third floor of 56, street that is over 3 thousand square feet that takes united states out to 2031 it serves the needs of the jailhouse services and here with the doorstop to address why this is an important sites for them relate to the lease it is while it is resist of the marketplace and has a rather high price tag of $58 square feet the good news negotiated a fixed rate for 5 years so you're seeing the last item had a normal 3 percent this
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didn't have any there through 2021 and additionally we'll pay all the additional costs beyond the base rate that is modified modest of $1 plus square feet we did do an extensive analysis of comparables urban reversals ernlz in a couple in particular thought were resist and a total of 12 that were televised our consultants ranging from 59 a square foot to $73 a square foot a couple of san jose are shown and completing an appraisal for the file given the ranges of comparables and the deadline to get to the board before your recess that item will be delivered before this is heard
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by the full board we have confidence that will support the item but 2, 3, 4 in the - >> one of the key things it's proximity to three or four and but the need for jails and what had means if we rebuild something those issues have to be sort of out but in the meantime, we need those to be sort of out. >> budget analyst. >> yes. as shown in table 2 the total rent to be paid by dpw under the property new lease will be 8 hundred plus and we note that the proposed annual rent of one and 77 plus that's
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the annual rent is $43,000 higher than the current rent and an increase of 24 percent but the proposed annual rent of $58 per square feet is lower than those looked at by the real estate division we recommend you approve that resolution. >> thank you very much and anyone speak on item 10 seeing none, public comment is closed. >> a motion to move forward with a positive recommendation. >> without objection. >> all right. let's see item 12 please. item 12 resolution for the termination between the bars of san francisco and the city and the reimbursement of 70 thousands >> thank you. we have kathy
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from the airport. >> yes. good afternoon chair tilly chang kathy with the san francisco airport the airport is seeking our approval for modification number one to an existing lease with the legion bar, llc to reimbursement $70,000 in unamortized construction costs this modification will allow for an early termination for the ongoing redevelopment program the lease had two one year options to extend this was exercised and extend the term to december of 2017 the airport will not like to terminate this and reimburse the tenant for the last term the budget analysts recommends approval i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> thank you budget analyst report. >> yes. madam chair and
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supervisor yee on page 31 we report that legions paid 6 hundred plus to improve the lease space and airport the proposed authorization to pay for the unamp it's costs and legion has paid one million dollars plus to the airport for the 5 year over 2011 to 2015 in table one on page 31 we recommend you approve this resolution. >> thank you very much now we'll go to public comment on item 12 any nope nope members here public comment is closed. an item 12 a motion on this item. >> i move with a positive recommendation to the full board. >> great without objection. >> item 13. >> resolution for the determination the fee utilities between hudson and the city
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fatalities for the $1.3 million and reimbursement the hudson company for construction costs. >> thank you we have a slider here. >> thank you supervisor tang kathy with the san francisco airport this item seeks our approval for the hudson copy company to reduce the lease by a amount of square feet for the gift shop locations in term one of the air traffic controller under the proposed amendment hudson will lease 2 thousand plus to operate and combine a news stand and pay the airport a minimum guarantee of $1.3 million as the airport closed the
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terminal one gift shop in 2014 also to accommodate the construction in terminal one we have been unsuccessful in understanding on alternate space for the tenant the airport closed the shop and proposes to amend the lease and allow for the reimbursement of one thousand plus in unamortized construction costs the budget analyst recommends approval i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> okay. what was that about you worked with 3 years to get the space and wanted that. >> as you may know our terminal one redevelopment project has changed over the last two years and expedited portions to accommodate the growth in traffic a human issue as we closed down the boarding this is
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less and less space to offer the tenants where we've taken away space not an opportunity for what they had before. >> thank you, mr. rose. >> yes. and supervisor yee on page 33 in table one hudson paid one million dollars plus which exceeded the total minimum guarantee of $7 million by one million dollars plus that's between 2010 and 2016 the promotion amendment as you may know will reimburses hudson and that is the unamortized for the month from the date that hudson vacated the gift shop in 2014 to the lease date of 2017 we recommend you approve that resolution. >> thank you very much so at this time we'll go to
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public comment on item 13 seeing none, public comment is closed. >> move it out with with a positive recommendation to full board. >> great without objection. >> thank you thank you very much and supervisor yee go back to item 11 to rescind the vote we need to take the appropriate action. >> without objection so i heard the amendment was item 9 but the budget analyst recommendation the library director stated for the record to reduce the over turn of certain amount left back to believe the general fund. >> the library fund and mr. rose state for the record i think that is was 5 hundred
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something. >> that's correct $545,000 plus. >> no 54250. >> i wrote it down wrong we'll make the motion to amend that for 11 and release the reserve can we do that without objection. >> and then item 9 send to the full board with a positive recommendation as is without objection. >> thank you. >> okay. so item 14 please. item 14 ordinances approving two agreement to enable the city for other authority owned by pacific bell on the oakland bay bridge and the bay bridge come summer for potentially in excess of 10 years between pacific bell and the city for 10 years. >> thank you thank you for your patience and
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david if dpw. >> good afternoon. >> (repeated.) >> the constitution of the united states. from the department of technology i'm here to ask the move this quickly to treasure island with the bay bridge consortium and there is only a limited amount of fiber available across the bridge they have made an agreement for half of the available amount plus their applications are two did not of the department of technology this overall agreement will cost more than $25,000 a year and move this as quickly as possible to get it out before the board resolution on august 2nd.
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>> thank you supervisor yee. >> there's a request for a committee reports for tomorrow what's the urgency and a total of 85 fibers on the conduit on the bridge and reached out 40 and have applications for the rest so this if we don't get this through quickly and get our purchase there this opportunity to see bring go high speed fiber will be laid to rest. >> so the difference between getting this approved is either this week or next week is a factor. >> i don't understand. >> the consortium agreed to wait while we get this to the
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board. >> why did it take so long to get to us. >> we completed the agreement with them two weeks ago. >> so mr. gibner. >> john gibner, deputy city attorney. i can't speak to the timing but i can explain why the mayor's office this go to the committee report for tomorrow this is an ordinance two reading before the board it passes and the mayor's signs if this was on a regular schedule and went to next tuesday board meeting for tdr or first reading the board will not approve the sex offenders until cement 6 the idea it get it finally approved on next week. >> my question if he were to
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request does it have to be agendized it is less than twenty-four hours. >> my understanding tomorrows agenda includes this is as a committee recorded in anticipation this committee might send it out if you don't the board will not consider that but today it can consider it tomorrow. >> thank you. i read through the materials and certainly understand the desire to do this quickly before other implies assess the fibers so i'll be supportive of sending this forward as quickly as possible at this time in budget analyst report so public comment on item 14 seeing none here public comment is closed. is supervisor yee if we can get this to our special board of supervisors on july 28th and 8:40 a.m. >> so moved.
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>> without objection. >> thank you. >> thank you item 15 please. number 15 here we go on the sea level rise coordinating committee sea level rise action plan with the physique impacts and requesting the coordinating committee to report. >> at this time we have a request to continue this to the call of the chair so i'll open up for public comment seeing none, public comment is closed. if we can continue to the call of the chair. >> so moved. >> without objection and any other items before us madam clerk there's no further business. >> we are not talking about as a society we've basically
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failed big portion of our population if you think about the basics of food, shelter safety a lot of people don't have any of those i'm mr. cookie can't speak for all the things but i know say, i have ideas how we can address the food issue. >> open the door and walk through that don't just stand looking out. >> as they grew up in in a how would that had access to good food and our parent cooked this is how you feed yours this is not happening in our country this is a huge pleasure i'm david one of the co-founder so about four year ago we worked with the serviced and got to
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know the kid one of the things we figured out was that they didn't know how to cook. >> i heard about the cooking school through the larkin academy a. >> their noting no way to feed themselves so they're eating a lot of fast food and i usually eat whatever safeway is near my home a lot of hot food i was excited that i was eating lunch enough instead of what and eat. >> as i was inviting them over teaching them basic ways to fix good food they were so existed. >> particle learning the skills and the food they were really go it it turned into the is charity foundation i ran into my friend
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we were talking about this this do you want to run this charity foundations and she said, yes. >> i'm a co-found and executive director for the cooking project our best classes participation for 10 students are monday they're really fun their chief driven classes we have a different guest around the city they're our stand alone cola's we had a series or series still city of attorney's office style of classes our final are night life diners. >> santa barbara shall comes in and helps us show us things and this is one the owners they help us to socialize and i've been here about a year. >> we want to be sure to serve
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as many as we can. >> the san francisco cooking school is an amazing amazing partner. >> it is doing that in that space really elevates the space for the kids special for the chief that make it easy for them to come and it really makes the experience pretty special. >> i'm sutro sue set i'm a chief 2, 3, 4 san francisco. >> that's what those classes afford me the opportunity it breakdown the barriers and is this is not scary this is our choice about you many times this is a feel good what it is that you give them is an opportunity you have to make it seem like it's there for them for the taking show them it is their and they can do that. >> hi, i'm antonio the chief
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in san francisco. >> the majority of kids at that age in order to get them into food they need to see something simple and the evidence will show and easy to produce i want to make sure that people can do it with a bowl and spoon and burner and one pan. >> i like is the receipts that are simple and not feel like it's a burden to make foods the cohesives show something eased. >> i go for vera toilet so someone can't do it or its way out of their range we only use 6 ingredients i can afford 6 ingredient what good is showing you them something they can't use but the
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sovereignties what are you going to do more me you're not successful. >> we made a vegetable stir-fry indicators he'd ginger and onion that is really affordable how to balance it was easy to make the food we present i loved it if i having had access to a kitchen i'd cook more. >> some of us have never had a kitchen not taught how to cookie wasn't taught how to cook. >> i have a great appreciation for programs that teach kids food and cooking it is one of the healthiest positive things you can communicate to people that are very young. >> the more programs like the
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cooking project in general that can have a positive impact how our kids eat is really, really important i believe that everybody should venting to utilize the kitchen and meet other kids their age to identify they're not alone and their ways in which to pick yours up and move forward that. >> it is really important to me the opportunity exists and so i do everything in my power to keep it that. >> we'll have our new headquarters in the heart of the tenderloin at taylor and kushlg at the end of this summer 2014 we're really excited. >> a lot of the of the conditions in san francisco they have in the rest of the country so our goal to 257bd or expand
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out of the san francisco in los angeles and then after that who know. >> we'd never want to tell people want to do or eat only provide the skills and the tools in case that's something people are 2rrd in doing. >> you can't buy a box of psyche you have to put them in the right vein and direction with the right kids with a right place address time those kids don't have this you have to instill they can do it they're good enough now to finding out figure out and find the future for >> hi. welcome to san francisco. stay safe and exploring how you can stay in
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your home safely after an earthquake. let's look at common earthquake myths. >> we are here at the urban center on mission street in san francisco. we have 3 guest today. we have david constructional engineer and bill harvey. i want to talk about urban myths. what do you think about earthquakes, can you tell if they are coming in advance? >> he's sleeping during those earthquakes? >> have you noticed him take any special? >> no. he sleeps right through them. there is no truth that i'm aware of with harvey that dogs are aware of an impending earthquake. >> you hear the myth all the time. suppose the dog helps you get up, is it going to help you
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do something >> i hear they are aware of small vibrations. but yes, i read extensively that dogs cannot realize earthquakes. >> today is a spectacular day in san francisco and sometimes people would say this is earthquake weather. is this earthquake weather? >> no. not that i have heard of. no such thing. >> there is no such thing. >> we are talking about the weather in a daily or weekly cycle. there is no relationship. i have heard it's hot or cold weather or rain. i'm not sure which is the myth. >> how about time of day? >> yes. it happens when it's
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least convenient. when it happens people say we were lucky and when they don't. it's terrible timing. it's never a good time for an earthquake. >> but we are going to have one. >> how about the ground swallowing people into the ground? >> like the earth that collapsed? it's not like the tv shows. >> the earth does move and it bumps up and you get a ground fracture but it's not something that opens up and sucks you up into haddes.
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>> it's not going anywhere. we are going to have a lot of damage, but this myth that california is going to the ocean is not real. >> southern california is moving north. it's coming up from the south to the north. >> you would have to invest the million year cycle, not weeks or years. maybe millions of years from now, part of los angeles will be in the bay area. >> for better or worse. >> yes. >> this is a tough question. >> those other ones weren't tough. >> this is a really easy challenge. are the smaller ones less stress? >> yes. the amount released in small earthquakes is that they are so small in you need many
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of those. >> i think would you probably have to have maybe hundreds of magnitude earthquakes of 4.7. >> so small earthquakes are not making our lives better in the future? >> not anyway that you can count on. >> i have heard that buildings in san francisco are on rollers and isolated? >> it's not true. it's a conventional foundation like almost all the circumstances buildings in san francisco. >> the trans-america was built way before. it's a pretty conventional foundation design. >> i have heard about this thing called the triangle of life and up you are supposed to go to the edge of your bed to
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save yourself. is there anything of value to that ? >> yes, if you are in your room. you should drop, cover and hold onto something. if you are in school, same thing, kitchen same thing. if you happen to be in your bed, and you rollover your bed, it's not a bad place to be. >> the reality is when we have a major earthquake the ground shaking so pronounced that you are not going to be able to get up and go anywhere. you are pretty much staying where you are when that earthquake hits. you are not going to be able to stand up and run with gravity. >> you want to get under the door frame but you are not moving to great distances. >> where can i buy a richter scale? >> mr. richter is selling it. we are going to put a plug in
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for cold hardware. they are not available. it's a rather complex. >> in fact we don't even use the richter scale anymore. we use a moment magnitude. the richter scale was early technology. >> probably a myth that i hear most often is my building is just fine in the loma prieta earthquake so everything is fine. is that true ? >> loma prieta was different. the ground acceleration here was quite moderate and the duration was moderate. so anyone that believes they survived a big earthquake and their building has been tested is sadly mistaken. >> we are planning for the bigger earthquake closer to san
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francisco and a fault totally independent. >> much stronger than the loma prieta earthquake. >> so people who were here in '89 they should say 3 times as strong and twice as long and that will give them more of an occasion of the earthquake we would have. 10 percent isn't really the threshold of damage. when you triple it you cross that line. it's much more damage in earthquake. >> i want to thank you, harvey, thanks pat for . >> working for the city and county of san francisco will immerse you in a vibrate and
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