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>> ladies and gentlemen, the
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chair has called the meeting to order please turn off the electronic devices and please rise for the pledge of allegiance and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> commissioner hillis i'd like to call roll. >> please do commissioner president loftus commissioner vice president turman commissioner marshall commissioner dejesus commissioner mazzucco commissioner melara commissioner hwang commissioner president loftus we have quorum and also with us the intern chief of police the office of citizens complaints joyce hicks you.
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>> well to the monday, december 21, 2016, thank you for being here i'll start off by welcoming our newest supervisor commissioner hwang we'll get to hear from you it is great to have you here and change a little bit of the order of agenda so if you're following along i'll move up items 4 and 5 up to after 2 the consent calendar is we'll go in order one, 2, 4, and 5 and then sergeant, next line item. >> item one presentation of certificate presentation of the california department of alcohol abc significant achievement award to the abc liaison unit alu. >> hello and thank you for
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allowing us a few minutes i'm the acting director the alcoholic beverage for the state and here to acknowledge the work of the san francisco police department and i'll ask them to please come up here we definitely want to acknowledge their hard work we develop programs i to paint the picture two hundred agents on the street and manage 90 thousand liquor licenses we couldn't do that without the help of agencies in san francisco over 4 thousand liquor licenses we video telephone people that not only handle san francisco but at bay area communities we recognize the - san francisco met the goals by over one hundred and thirty percent the community outreach they reached the county 6 hundred percent more than they first acknowledged so your hats
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off to san francisco police department for the community gavin newsom but the ability to help us do our job a big round of applause and present first to david lieutenant offer that unit we absolutely, absolutely appreciate his hard working r hard work and others thank you for helping us do our jobs thank you. >> thank you, everyone and thank you for all your hard work and for abc to recognizing the san francisco police department thank you very much. >> thank you. >> sergeant, next item. >> item 2 consent calendar receive and file request of the chief of police to accept the nomination of $2,000 in the sfpd wilderness program. >> colleagues in your packets a
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memo from the officer with the donations from the officer program is that a motion. >> move to approve admit public comment on the consent calendar. >> >> good evening and welcome. >> those that looked worried and smiling faces 2000 explores for the sfpd wilderness program i strongly suggest that you encourage more such documents instead of having trees with falling branches causing problems you could adopt a living defense program my nickname is peter and i'll donate you a bunch of cactus and the most food on land a firewall food and flower and fruit and
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medicinal and frost resistant and they produce more food than anything on the planted month black and white people don't know that but talk to people south of the board an amazing opportunity and i've never heard of a cactus falling down and hurting anyone the lawyers will losses so i want to suggest to you regarding the homeless people you you know people think why are we giving them money they can garden and i happen to be at the 14 garden before they were torn down and the hispanic no black and white just the low end hispanics and they should some of the most beautiful gardens and they were surrounded by cactus thousand of pound ever
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contact news no running out of food encourage a situation with our outlying areas using the cactus those beautiful knowledge that has not been demonstrated in college but shown to work and offering small business for everybody to do that makes everyone happier. >> i'll recommend the comments are not the opinion of the commission so any opinions i think are offense not the policy of the city or the commission thank you, sir any further any public comment? we have a motion and >> i. >> opposed? sergeant, next line item. >> item 4 presentation regarding the crisis intervention team cit department general order from the cit working group discussion and possible action. >> okay. colleagues a
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tremendous momentum for the commission and the department i see lieutenant melinda what is a tremendous way to start the meeting take it away. >> thank you chief and commissioners with great pride to come here before you to talk about cit we finally did that a joint effort i happen to be joining the team a few years ago he met a lot of people out there from now and then i consider my friends so - mary ann is here will give historic facts and i'll talk about the training that we're 0 doing. >> okay. thank you lieutenant. >> welcome ms. merriam. >> commissioner president loftus and commissioner vice president turman and members of the commission and members of
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the public i'm excited it is a long journey i want to give a brief overall the history he if we talk about the history we'll be here quite a bit time with the police department and lots city departments and also an important and critical part have been the families that lost loved one have been severely injured those individual fueled our commitment to make that crisis intervention team program a remarkable program to be a different kind of response for people in crisis in terms of history it comes back to the commission because if we looked at what happened in 2011 there had been commissioners who went to commissioners brought community organizations and went to lake to look at what is going
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on across the country and what are some of the best practices and the communities organizations and police department and you've heard testimony from the people if memphis in 2011 lots testimony for hours how to put together a road map of crisis intervention and this commission passed a resolution on that date february 2011 a fabulous road map of having a crisis intervention officer coordinator and it had all the details of a crisis intervention response team looks like we have officers as first responder the kind of training and data collection and a key part of it included having procedure in place those are procedures that the department of justice just look at it and elevated the cit program that is fabulous so many officers that are cit trained and needs to be protocols in place tonight we brought to you a general order
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that general order represents 18 months of collaboration so again, the working group and many members of the working group their organizations - of - the coalition homelessness and suicide prevention autism and advocate a groups that are involved and in terms of the department the district attorney's office and the our own agency i know i'm leaving out organizations we have a working group of over 39 representatives we put together a document and started out we're trader to 5 pages i'd like to highlight a few of the 5 pages starting with the introduction when you look at the introduction you might see it reflect the use of force policy
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we wanted to pick those aspects that underscore the sanctity of life and the police departments commitment to the deesclation and using communication report building and other desolation take i can see in working with people in crisis other consultants of department general order terms and independence we've defined what a crisis intervention team is to that that is not just individuals there is a crisis intervention team members there are police officers that have done 40 hours of training and gotten the cit pin and learned about scientists of individual that have mental illness they are learning about mental disability and alzheimer's the full range of reasons people might be in crisis and the training is about how to do
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hands on deesclation tactics we defined what a cit officer is we defined what a team is that is part a learning process not just individual officers responding to a crisis but putting together what a team it we have a definition of a cit team individuals are not only getting the 40 hours of training but 10 hours of tactical training that the officer will talk about and other parts of definitions are those officers that you are regular police cars they're responding with the department of emergency management identifies it doing the regular practical work but the first reading moving into procedures not just officers are getting training but called out to respond to cit crisis calls that means the collaboration with the
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department of emergency management so that the department of emergency management will be identifying those calls the teams will roll out and teem will involve officers making reports of the person in crisis and maybe a requirement a non-lethal cover officer and others individuals that needs to be brought to the scene those are part of procedures that make that a different kind of response a response what individuals have officers have specific training around crisis calls and other parts of department general order deal with the nuts and bolts i'll only is when you passed our resolution in 2011 you provided all the responsibility and rules for the cit coordinators so that's lieutenant maling no small task all the things he doesn't
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including reporting too this commission and collecting data another significant part the cit responsive across the country they're looking at the response so part of police department is doing in combination with the working group to be collecting data that general order lays out the data collection and lastly the training all the consultant not just for cit officers but over training that's a really quick speed there this general order i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> and again, thank you for your continuing support and sweat shirt to all the community groups and the police department and the city departments been a part of this collaborative process . >> (clapping.) >> thank you
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yeah, we had lost a life but officers get effected i want to talk about officers also in that regard that everyone is effected by it i like to acknowledge chief suhr he started this program and obviously retired and chief chaplin and continued to support that and other people i want to talk about my immediate boss for a long time go through and chief suhr my new boss and been active in getting this together and now my cit staff that is sergeant anderson and others i'm getting two more officers. >> what. >> great. >> next month.
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>> working with us the head of the unit have two officers assigned to her and working as a unit when we deal with crisis so mary will talk about the team process basically, he came before you a few months back and talking about going to seattle so with that information we adapted some of the processes and some of the prursdz that seat belt is doing adapted to san francisco we're different here from the state of washington so i'm happy to announce we came to an agreement with the san francisco mraemd starting next month in context i'll describe some of the facts and get into the other things as we go.
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>> i give you numbers so as far we have total of 200 plus trained officers but - and northern station that's a total of 200 and 79 you see the percentages of the trained officers 54 percent midnight at 22 and other at 25. >> sorry. >> then we have the golden gate division bay area station. >> lieutenant i think you can use that will that work it's pretty small. >> oh, there you go thank you. >> so the golden gate division you have bay area station, station, richmond and i know
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side and terryville and the chiefs are. >> i guess all 3. >> 52 percent, 22 percent and 25 percent of which - nice animation on our power point not gone unnoticed. >> for the support units that are helping us with patrol officers and midnight team a total of 200 and 9 officers those are the narcotics and the officers that do the investigations so - >> so total is seven hundred plus i don't want to speed bump but get to the team that is something we have adapted so when the crisis calls either
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dispatch dispatch will announce the call and have a criteria that will be a cit call we going to have officers in the late sign we have in the department we reassigned the watches meaning we have a team effort because all the officers we realigned to their supervisors to sergeants and officers are working the same days and notice they can respond so basically, you going to have officers 40 hours of training and the training we'll implement beginning of next year respond to the call and with the assistance of either the cit trained officers or the patrolled officers will form that team that will - it's going to be the person that will
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be doing the talking with the person in crisis you'll have the less lethal - going to have lethal shotgun or beanbag and a lethal officer if you deployed you'll have cover with them and our resource officers backing up that team and the rest not arrest but the resource officer that will be working to go and whether they need to block traffic or assistance and so forth and have a supervisor that will be part of that team response and did supervisor will be in charge of all the officers that either doing what their supposed to be doing and so forth so it looks great through the training we were asking the officers what is it you need out there when they taken their 40 hours
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basically, we need how to deploy when we respond to a crisis based on that we have adapted this new training the fire department will guess through within the three next 12 months so in addition to the 40 hours we'll have 10 hours those ten hours will be announce instructed by mraemd we've identified with the cit training and have the acknowledge of tax ikdz and deesclation we're excited about it and looking forward to doing this is a group effort so without saying more i have mr. johnson that will talk about the training and . >> great, thank you lieutenant approximately ms. johnson
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welcome back i'm the deputy public defender's office and one of the advocates in 2002 and been part of cit working group since 2011 and i was on the trip to memphis with all the officers i've been here since the start and will say this is not been easy and i'm happy where we have to the place we've gotten today one of my roles on the cit working group as the charge you of curriculum subcommittee we look at the curriculum this is about training and we need a good foundation to the officers can implement that when we have the opportunity to do that on the street as part of the curriculum the first thing looked to other communities i got the full curriculum from bear county
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texas and offering we look at the memphis model to see we're not missing anything we were covering the seekers i working closely with the nuru psychiatrists and looking at the best experts to present and presenting the best science around mental health is evolving and it is important we treat things at the highest level after that several of us sat in on the training i sat in 3 wants to see how everyday was laid out and to see make sure that the content was balanced between interactive and pretty heavy academic stuff and some days
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frankly at the end that was too much so we steps back and balanced the curriculum what would be digestible in 40 hours i think that is a lot of information and i credit the officers for being able to go through this program it is really quite amazing and quite dense i will say we - i want to point out a couple of things first of all, this curriculum is constantly evolving and a lot of things that have made this curriculum development acquit difficult one is that we were changing audience and some days advanced officers and sometimes recruits we need to have the resources behind the curriculum we need to have enough pertinence quality go presenters to be
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flexible and change the curriculum for the audience important to make it a valuable 40 hours for every single officer and had a lot of trainings that was hard to get people experts doctors in our community or 09 police officers to available that many times in a year that is something we have to work on as well so i think we as a curriculum committee will continue to meet i'm not - laura will talk about the specification but make the state the best kinds of most relevant and something that officers feel they can use when we walk out the door from the training i will say one thing as a lawyer that is represented hundreds and hundreds of people in mental illness no amount of training will work if we don't provide
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the san francisco police department with a place to take people in crisis we don't say this until we do he can train train train and not going to solve the fundamental problems in the community to the extent the police commission can advocate for the crisis intervention and units i think we'll all appreciate that so i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> and i'm going to turn it over to sergeant colleen. >> thank you, ms. johnson and welcome sergeant. >> good evening. >> i'm laurie joined lieutenant melinda in january since january we've had a total of 1040 cit concurs this year and last year three or four we stepped up the training and as ms. johnson was mentioning we have we're constantly evolving the program and curriculum
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you know it is one thing to teach this to recruit officers to take it all in they need to know what to apply it and how to seamlessly travel between deesclation and hands on situations so that's why we switched to the veteran officers that know when and how to make the transition we have since april or may we have changed the curriculum, again, it is constantly evolving we call the roll. >> have a curriculum of mental health and veteran trauma and psd and suicide by cop and suicide negotiations intervene in the course and added in april added a short walk on implicit bias and over the course have other advocacy and community
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groups including coalition on homelessness and hunters point family so we've - what's been nice the support of alls different programs and organizations and it has been wonderful to side by side with the working group and ms. johnson and the cit subcommittee i never thought i'll be working side by side with a lawyer. >> when did that happen. >> johnson is a wonderful advocate so again, the curriculum is constantly changing as lieutenant maling said we'll be - the chief of the park rangers saying his
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rangers community-based to the training it is important that the units or the other agencies with that city and county of san francisco that we work side by side with and respond to calls together we have the same training that we have so when we respond to a call we're on the same page. >> thank you, thank you sergeant. >> just to give you states so you see the amount of work the san francisco police department police officers do everyday in 2015 the police department wrote 4 thousand must mental health 4 thousand 5 hundred and 7 people are detained for mental health in san francisco out of 4 thousand 5 hundred and 729 were charged with a criminal conduct or criminal charges and when means 0.6 percent less than one percent of the people that the
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police department contacted on the street ended up in jail because of federal charges 71 asserts were either cited for misdemeanors so basically officers were able to deescalate and take people where they need to go with a program for pe s-4 thousand plus times in one year and others statistics you'll have in writing available to everyone the sfpd officers responded to a total of over 3 thousand calls of people many mental health crisis every month in san francisco it is outstanding how many calls of crisis in the city and just to give you an overall
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in the period of i think that is august 1st through february first 3 months sfpd officers responded to 13 thousand plus calls 13 thousand plus calls received that officers were deployed to a crisis situation that's a lot of calls out of the calls don't result in people getting hurt officers are in so doing their job unfortunately, we have tragedies as i mentioned everyone involvement in the tragedies are involved the police officers and families and everybody we need to come together a change that i want to say no matter what amount of training other things that might come into place not because of the officers but the situation
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that is evolving rapidly we can give them all the training in the world but things happen. >> we're doing the best we can and officers are doing their job so some i was statistics we don't have time to go to all of that by the way, calls that officers had contact with people in crisis during the 3 months were 9 thousand plus calls that's a lot of calls we need the support and of this commission to continue with the training. >> and sergeant anderson is here will assist with the training we're looking to that and have members of the working group behind me we had a service before the training class pretest and post
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test she'll talk about that. >> hi my name is jessica the director of community relations with san francisco and the chair of the data subcommittee for the cit working group so as lieutenant melena mentioned a p data for the cit to measure with the officers how they're feeling about the training whether or not they're learning and intended to learn and measuring the impact of the training so officers are given a 12 question survey at the beginning of the 40 hour training and at the end of the 40 hour training we look at information on democrat graphics like officers are and their bureau and how long in law enforcement for . >> so what we're think looking at in this survey we're looking at a couple of things sigma,
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knowledge and skills and luke this training reduces stigma around mental illness and increases the knowledge around millions and practical usable kills out in the streets so this report is from the 2016 the 10 cit trainings that were constructed analysis was conduct for 200 plus this is not the total amount of officers that were trained but the total amount of data couple not able finding from all the these responses officers had a 22 percent increase in their feelings of preparation to deescalate a situation with an individual that is suicidal and 20 percent
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more knowledge about the health services ♪ san francisco and officers had a 19 permeation remuneration u reduction that people that mental illness are more likely to be dangerous those are the notable findings of the entire report >> and one of the largest and most impactful findings leaving the training the largest the most amount of officers strongly add that cit is an important factor in performing their work in the community and just a couple of quotes stroll helpful and amazing training i feel more knowledge and this has changed my mind about mental illness i'll suggest all officers be trained that is a great class learned a lot of things i didn't know about mental illness and plan on using the techniques in the field a couple of testimonies to the value of
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crisis intervention team training and something next step to further explorer and knowledge an increasing ford we want to measure the impactful out in the streets are officers able to put this training to use those are the plans for 2017 and looking at maybe how responses surveyor across how long officers have been in law enforcement thank you for your time and if anyone has any questions feel free to e-mail me or ask me know. >> thank you. >> good evening i'm delighted to be here i'm sherry a volunteer with the mental health association in i work with all the wonderful people and think one of the things that hadn't been mentioned that really is important that a lot of people
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are deputy city attorney their time for free and wonderful people we've recruited we're not paying one penny to do this. >> i work for free too but a retired person i helped to coordinate the working group we meet monthly we have 3 subcommittees that you've heard about a data committee a curriculum committee and all received letters from me perhaps in the past when i've notified you to the annual award services we'll do it in may i think that will be may 11 in you want to put that on your calendar a possible date but one of the things i also wanted to share with you see this is a
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tremendous collaborative effort we meet every 3 months point chief of police and people are coming together that have not worked together before we care deeply about this program we want our program in san francisco to be the top in the nation, we don't want people to talk about memphis or seattle we want everybody to talk about san francisco has the best crisis intervention program in the nation and we are working hard to do that oar whatever it takes new money from the federal government we'll do grant in the 21 take care value there is money in that crisis intervention we really we need more resources we can't do it without more resources in the community that is very clear but we want to
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continue this program and i sincerely hope not possible action but action on the d go this evening thank you. >> thank you very much. >> well vince i didn't. >> hi. >> i stood about the commission 2 years to share a story why this work is important i lost my sister who was in crisis to a subbing optimal situation with 4 law enforcement officers 5 years ago i'm used to standing here before you today to tell you that those intractable problems we face not only in san francisco but
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throughout the country can be solved >> (clapping.) >> we have to believe that and there can only be solved if everybody shows up willfully at the table to say uncomfortable conversations so the foundation for the current cit program in principle was adapted in 2011 approval and implementation of the cit presented to you today moves us are toward the wide support to fully practitioner lists compassion as a leading guiding force for our officers those team approach will create the necessary tactical conditions for better outcomes with officers are in responded to someone in criticized in order to build on the work we've completed a few asks find
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commission today you must continue to work with other city officials stae their respect city departments to navigate the homelessness out of the criminal justice system we can't continue to treat mentally ill and second tier citizens we need to help move them into more meaningful pathways for recoveries this will occur better outcomes for all parties and increase the civilian and officer safety and ultimately provide significant cost reductions throughout many city department we have to continue to learn from other collections in the city look to san antonio and a larger percentage retired military personnel colonel
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together and remove the criminal stigma and stave this off for all members of the community in an 8 year span redirected over one hundred thousand people diverted them from jails in treatment resulting a savings of one million dollars that can be deny in city government and continue to elevate b this with advanced training of the officers and prioritizing conditioned education we say to continue to build the structure for the co-are irons where the cit work alongside the professionals officers are not professionals mental illness is a medical disease it is a brain disease police officers can't be expected to be brain doctors we
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must learn inside and outside the department it is imperative we create a system for the mental health working group to be briefed after critical incidents and learn together and leverage all the expertise of the people that care deeply for the communities in those debriefs are the opportunities to february and move into our cit station liaisons our sergeants and trainers and our criminal creates 0 that every successful training is that much more impactful it is a really crucial component that major and the model emphasized as a key source of improving the below responses and mental health delivery it is
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primarily a volunteer effort we must invest in 2, 3, 4 important work and must make a concerted effort for the daily cost of exports and imports the trainings at a high-level my colleagues lieutenants are spending money out of their pocket to feed these officers at the trainings why are they spending their own money to do this, please help me they have built a really meaningful program they shouldn't be paying out-of-pocket for things like water and coffee we still need more work on transparency and data collection that is in process blue needs to be enthused that is boring but important how effective our d e m dispatcher is and how individuals are and are not
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navigated into service there is a gap right now a gargz gap officers are tired of the high consumers they see in the streets those individuals get picked up they get evaluated and dropped off and nobody knows where they go they end up that the same corners with the officers on the same beat compassion is a real thing when an officer continues to encurrent the same person in deep crisis because our health system is not supporting them what does that say about their work that gap needs to be diminished we need to start collecting data not only in these calls for service but what happens to them after they've been brought in.
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>> we need to better prompt this within the department and lieutenant maling showed offices are deescalating people not saying great job not waiting for a ceremony to transmit those are the values that represent our community when i say community one community those officers work in this community it can be biefrtd to present this d go there were many enemies it felt like us versus them but at the end of the day we came back came together and realized a prim annihilation we have people that
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love us and want to go home safe that is important we understand this has to be a collaboration done willfully we need to embrace sustained dialogue especially during times of conflict and tension too much lives have been lost including my sister jasmine due to subbing optimal responses to calls and service so long as we create the space to colonel together we can build the model for this community that will promote the well-being and district of everyone that lives in the city so my deep sincere thanks to lieutenant melena they've carried the weight of the work for many, many, many many years now especially lieutenant melena i can't say
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how important to build on this work we'll just getting started we're just getting started so many more heavy lifting to do so, please retain vigilant thank you. >> good evening and welcome. >> greetings david mental health board and part of the curriculum committee and a cit trainer i've been training on every training for the past 3 and a half years and as a result i've had a chance to see what works and didn't i want to say regarding our working group this collaboration within to the community of volunteers and the police department to create this training is kind of unique not a lot of examples of police working with the communities members as equals and peers to create something of value to help the police that is a unique
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entity and for police to listen to us sometimes, we come in as civilian trainers and doesn't know their world and looking us who are we as civilians to tell them how to interact we're talking about experiences i teach verbal deesclation and use my own life i have experience are mental illness and intersecting with the police to talk about how police could better interacted with me what worked and didn't work and then to help my training i'll often speak to officers in the community that recognize me they have any trainings in the last 3 and a half years three or four hundred officers seen me and call me out i talk with them and
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asked them what worked and didn't work not everything he offered work some did and some didn't sometimes cit self-work but the feedback i've gotten from officers on the street telling me how it is effected them, what they find helpful and useful in deescalating people and calming people and getting people to sort of cooperate and work with them they're brought to the hospital for help maybe not a referral but the situation has calmed gown this feedback i've gotten has helped in training i think that has been a huge part of training it is a work in progress we're not there yet we have a city with mentally ill services and behavioral health services spent $350 million a year but mental
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health services on demand good luck you'll be put in a queue and triaged but the fact we don't have mental health treatment an demand yet this is in the the officers fault they don't bring people to the hospital but the hospital can only do some much not for a people in crisis but people in sick not the same thing the training is getting better and better i hope you'll approve the cit d go as submitted we've put a lot of work most of it came from sam who is amazing we really may e my hats off to the off to her thank you for your time and thank you for your support chief and commissioners. >> thank you thank you. that's it i want to bring another sergeant who started the
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cit in 2001 so san francisco police officer has received the restraining since 2001 she was part of department and my new sergeant will be doing the tactical training. >> thank you, sergeant you have brought so much change over the years so commissioners before us is the departmental general order would you like recall as referenced in the 2011 unanimously commission resolution one of the goals to get to a place where where a general order i don't think this commission could have contemplated that be this involved as a result of department partnership and public defenders and mental health providers and families that lost their lives tragically that d go is a product of
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everything whether community policing i want to thank so many volunteers who worked tirelessly to get us to this point i'd like to thank former chief suhr and thank chief chaplin one of the things i did i actually intended the annual conference one thing no matter what the department is this program is not nurtured by the leadership without chief suhr and chief chaplin and rejecting the idea that is us versus them and this is a tool that serve us and helps you do a great job i've watched this program transform i would go to commissioner dejesus for questions or comments. >> i have some questions maybe you can come up you guys touched on what i governor's office
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going to ask in notifying we put forward the resolution and those wonderful mental health professionals came together and drafted that resolution and stuck with us years not the first time we've talked about the resources not putting putting your money where your mouth is the idea you have to have a lot of grants or try for something else it startling so one of the things i'm wondering if you can come up with a budget to hand out honoree or what we need a full-time to keep it going to continue to say quality of all the volunteers those are not potentially be near what in their worth in the real world but something to talk about putting the budget together and
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adding to the police budget to help with the community we can argue but you you can what you're talking about 4 hundred or 5 hours a day we are asking people to help us out. >> yeah. commissioner thank you for bringing up that up that was in the past in the recent months our budget was approved in july for cit we have paying instructors i know that is volunteer in the past it was but july this year we actually paying the instructors to come in the demand is so high so we actually pay the volunteers and people to come and talk with us and applicant so there is a budget in place. >> great. >> we had that. >> okay. and the other thing you've talked about the homeless
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and the millionaire we have a lot of laws on the boxes in san francisco that penalize the homelessness on the streets and even though we don't have a rent-controlled place to put people but maybe time instead of asking for handouts or the citizens to give money to try to come up with the program maybe we should lobby the department of homelessness and bring that inside and fund that with a $9 million budget to fund the department of homelessness for real people everyday on the streets to have measured progress and have success in that area those are my comments and glad and thank you for all your hard work and sticking to that is important. >> commissioner mazzucco. >> thank you very much being one of the commissioners in 2011 sitting in that chair as the
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bells ring. >> good timing. >> that was a concept i want to thank you all lieutenant melena and kelly sergeant kruger people don't know what you've done for the police officers in the streets to see this we unanimously passed this in 2011 to hear the numbers to see where we at this is an amazing accomplishment by the community and the police department and see the public defender the public defender have or are the true heros represent those who come out of a holding cell the reality most of their business comes out of holding cells in a mental health crisis and seeing the public defender working with the police department lieutenant melena is agree counselor a
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former adult probation officer and a great police officer and now doing this we've brought everybody to the table and being here in 2011 seeing this i want to thank the former commissioner angela chang approached me about that i don't know how the commission will react but let's try it she put hear heart and soul i want to thank commissioner chang looking at the numbers the first one vince i didn'nivinnie. >> to our visit to memphis doctor louis our incredible the meetings we've had the numbers scare me though 3 thousand calls
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for people in mental health crisis i've been saying this for the last 6 nos o months 60 percent of our resources are dealing with mental health crisis 60 percent the community didn't know that it ties up our police services and dangerous for those in the streets and the police officers the question we have a lot of people coming to the commission and want to help i'm calling out the pollen bar association help us figure out why those people are on the streets and what we can do to help them the police officers at the end of the day they're doing their best and they're not trained but doing that 3 thousand calls for service per month and seven hundred and 8 officers trained with the cit i never thought we'd see seven
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hundred plus i never thoughts we'd get there thank you, everyone that did that those are incredible numbers we need to do more our officers can do more and want the community to do more i listen to the radio and hear the calls for service no place to take people they are in jail and end up on the case level it is absolutely wrong thank you for your compassion i've heard that compassion but thank you, everyone this is something that i seen evolved as a police commissioner it is something when you put your heads on the pillow we don't how many lives have been saved because of crisis intervention i think the number is high so when you put our heads on the pillows at night you don't need to be paid for this but i'll tell you what no empower reward thank you
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for the police commissioner that sat here in 2011 thank you very much. >> supervisor hinge. >> impressive impressive presentation as a newcomer. >> i notice in that the working group is comprised includes community members and mental health advocates i wonder if within the team pictured in our loose slide is this and i wonder if you contemplated using community members and mental health providers as part of the crisis intervention team and if not why not and if yes can you give us an example of what you will use
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non-police officers as part of team. >> sure. >> thank you for bringing that up as a matter of fact mayor ed lee had announced a few months been the sfpd a work in progress i've been sitting in combufdz we have commitments and 3 be psychologists and others joining the san francisco police department and they'll be responding for crisis intervention and bidder suspect that have been extended we providing advise to the officers but obviously imminent danger we don't want to impose them but there be close by and the protocol how to respond to the commanding over on the keen and providing advise and another
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part of team to have that psychologist do follow-up with the families and see how they got disconnected one of our goals to provide services to them we have identified the took up one hundred high-end yours in san francisco we will use the folks to follow them why their 5051 so some of the goals for 2017 this is the public health department why not to get into the details of it but a work in process commissioner and going to happen we're going to use those resources and we also looking for grants opportunity to my department the department of health and nonprofits organization right now so we'll get there but - >> thank you. >> it's been awhile.
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>> thank you lieutenant. >> dr. marshall. >> great work in fact, i'm sitting in the chair that the commissioner was sitting in i remember this came up for her and getting it through i was - and it being granted from the crisis intervention officers team is wonderful of course, all the collaboration work you've done to get this far my question can you help me out commissioner president loftus i'm not sure we have what i can't remember the 200 and 72 doj recommends where does this fit in the picture if at all we'll talk about the use of force body worn cameras something we did i'm curious if
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it fits into the recommendations if at all i'm curious does anyone know. >> oh, sam knows. >> ms. merriam has the answer. >> it is finding 12 that talks about. >> the number. >> i'm pretty sure the doj applauded the department for training so many officers and at the same time the system needs to be in place the protocols need to be florida in place for first reading being dispatched they underscored to make sure sufficient number of officers at all the station for all the watches to from our perspective to get the d go and it is really about the protocol that unlike other police departments in d go has loan officers that recent
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reflected through another cit officer that that good insight and chief suhr and chief chaplin agreed that was a really good way to institutionalize the cit so two wolfers one a sergeant they'll be at the stations making sure that cit officers are on all the watches and all the coordination can happen and the debriefing and serve as a resource within the station and promotes cutting in that way cit was focused on and we see this is one step forward in complying with the doj recommends. >> that's great to hear and tying the language of the use of force policy is the defendant circulation is perfect right in here great job. >> thank you dr. marshall. >> commissioner dejesus.
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>> catching the data it will be interesting if you check with the data all the data that would be great moving forward. >> it is definitely going on we have a from whether from - doing that looking at seven hundred set forth so the department will change that we have technology and it will be part of the stop we're in conversations with the department of technology it is coming out for other san francisco police department police officers and has its own icon the officers will click on that and it will ask all the specific questions we want to do in collecting data that is so much needed to do this is in the works and happening and we're excited about thank you. >> thank you lieutenant and thank you for the presentation and ms. merriam colleagues me
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questions on the d go its in great shape okay do i have a motion. >> that happens later guys trust me i got this i got this. >> do i have a motion. >> do i have a second. >> second. >> public comment on the motion. >> there we go. >> good evening and welcome. >> commissioners for the last 40 years i've been monitoring what we called the adverse impacts to the mentally challenged and the best way one can address this issue and you travel and go to other countries that really take care of their people so we have a mayor here who says that there are we're a world-class city but
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a world-class city that adversely impacts our citizens in the last 5 years over 80 thousand families are left san francisco because this city as our mayor has failed to address did quality of life issues. >> and while you all can go ahead and try to address a d go you have to pay attention to those institutions that do a lot like st. anthony's and the churches, and you need to go to our hospitals and see that if you have a population of 6 hundred and 50 thousand and only 70 beds and royal on our jails to take care of our mentally challenges and no where is that is mentioned i don't see
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anything to the people that volunteer but we need to have professional people addressing situations that amateur people with 40 or 50 or 60 hours training can't did that and be sincere this needs a hearing with the experts in the hospitals and maybe from all over the world to educate us on issues you variant educated us and studied the issues but you want to create some sort of law thank you very much. >> thank you. next speaker. >> good evening and welcome. >> hey, he was curious about a comment that commissioner mazzucco made that 60 percent of departments resources were tied up in - can you be important precise or point me to paperwork
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or budget, etc. to make that more concrete. >> public comment is no the q and a but if you want to provide a belief responses. >> we're talking with the command staff their trying to do the analysis but 60 percent of our calls for service you've heard numbers tonight there is approximately 3 thousand calls per month dealing with mentally and those on the street at the end of the day their estimating i know you're a statustion so you could be helpful but the numbers could be greater i'm here anecdotal it is 60 percent not a fan of anecdotal but the numbers will bear out you could be helpful you've done our ph.d in that field.
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>> thank you. next speaker. >> good evening mr. washington. >> happy holidays. >> happy holidays indeed. >> let me start off i'm impressed welcome to the commission this my first time back chief and good to see you hoping you'll stay on staff and help your brothers and talk about the odds of the pillow i got here late when she talked about the force issue but going anywhere about the middle thing it is wonderful commissioner marshall i'll talk about what i'm here for tonight in essence everything that you're doing in essence has to do with with what i'm doing and
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most of you may or may not i'm the czar without my african migration is a self-appointed to something nevertheless, he was there the only month black person that was there when mayor newsom put this committee it together to do a study on migration and the police department was one of the biggest accuses that caused the working class blacks to leave i'm going to borrow you but insure you that ace on the case and the deal is i'm glad we're bringing in now blood with the chief i know the mayor don't want to deal with the blacks tussle e actually your leaders it was a smart community move and we'll move forward by the
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city by the bay i'm getting ready to deal the truth nothing but did truth so help me to ace to god. >> thank you. next speaker. again on the cit d go. >> good evening and welcome. >> a response can't be done if in two minutes i think everybody in the room should look up the names fritz spring mirror and may be also the video transform of america martin luther king once exclaimed that government refused the hard work of thinking doping so they settled for half baked solutions the issue you're dealing with that really but causes and solutions
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are not perhaps the best way to into the dsm 40 years you could get three hundred diagnoses and people are talking willow i'm speaking will have 57 or 10 diagnoses someone like me thirty the feds their psychiatry 19 are slamming more authority away from the authority that is psychiatry any major university you've been involved in the operations for 70 years and you're seeing the tail end of that one example officer was a m k two months before the event and that whole thing happens those red flag situations you know so much i wanted to say
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the sandy hook prediction program is a total fairs and at the chief in charge of the m k programs for the feinstein instead of having a chief chaplin you have someone - >> oh, yeah sir, your time is up. >> thank you, sir. >> next speaker. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you, sir >> next speaker. good evening and welcome. >> good evening thank you thank you for your doing and trying to do i was alerted to the gentleman speaking about his sister with near tears and my next reaction was hearing
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as some of you reacted to the notion that the cit is run off volunteer models that is obscene i think we're known by your values how we spend our money we hope i can reinforce your response and many of us were reacting in the audience it is trying to save lives in the city i hope we registration with that on the issue of compassion fatigue we've experienced that in our own lives the question and what happens to and with those officers that are experiencing compassion fatigue their subject to the mental health system and the more they get accumulated to having a
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non-threatening involvement and engagement with things that scare some people called mental health issues and the more that becomes comfortable i predict because i worked on this in another city precinct the officers will say what about me, i'm dealing with all this - you know stuff on the street and i'm - some of that stuff is transferring to me and my family is scared to death of me we've had that kind of conversation i hope the problem take into account the consequences of compassion fatigue with the officers and we know that there are constantly programs available and not subject to any performance evaluation so i'll -
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>> next speaker, please. >> good evening, sir. >> hello my name is andrew a human right advocate for the homeless and i'll try for brief the cit general order is our work plan for over a year several on the coalition it has been proven to work memphis tenseness eliminated their crisis onto people it will not fix everything overnight and been with the officers - i think this a very important step forward thank you very much. >> thank you, sir.
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>> next speaker, please. >> thank you ms. brown. >> next speaker, please. >> good evening vice chairman turman and chief chaplin and sergeant killshaw and deputy chief francisco i don't speak on this first of all, he support the d go versus the 5 and a half year process i don't get why things take along
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therefore, be it resolved their perseverance and energy i appreciate that i want to point out the craft when i experienced in into custody 3 officers two of them are police officers threaded me with a 5051 those officers are rogers and nicholas and others god left her soul and regarding the article that was in the san francisco magazine a couple of weeks ago that was full of the quote approximately named in that article he said they don't really arrest people for breaking the raw in san francisco but break people called ass holes they're often called ass holes and don't back
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down to thugs are called ass holes this new policy where people mental illness are treated for whatever condition is an improvement those officers that threaded we with a 5051 by the way, commissioner hinge very welcome to see you. >> any other public comment. >> tom gilberty thank you. >> crisis intervention team i've been calling them angels i'm still thinking that i would like to see a separation from
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the police department and from the department of health i would like to see this be hitting its own entity and not fight for dollars from budgets from other commissioners, i want them to have a direct line to the budget office the mayor's office to fund this i understand there is a lot of volunteers that are doing the work being on the street helping out we have a woman her joann walker i believe that also small gal that know about intervene we want to see her imprints on the program too we need a place to put these people not jail and not the hospital that was expressed before we expressed it again
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we need a safe part and harbor so they can calm down and maybe have an avenue into a kind of establishing not a normal way of life but a helpful they're not repeating and being in detentions it is a work in progress seems like it is a good moment we are recognizing we have to go forward i want to congratulate the team the commissioners the staff on a kumbaya moment with our new chief chaplin and recommended that everybody continue doing what they're doing thank you. >> any other public comment. >> seeing none, public comment is closed. we're going to take a 10 minute recess and take up the
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voluntarily when the commissioner presiden returns. >> all right. we're back in session thank you, everyone we're on the same item we conduct public comment and now time for the vote we're voting on the cit any final comments from anywhere colleagues. >> jose joe is on his way back sergeant call roll.
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>> on the adaptation as presented commissioner president loftus commissioner vice president turman commissioner marshall commissioner dejesus commissioner mazzucco commissioner melara commissioner hinge that item passes, 7 zero. >> (clapping.) >> thank you, everyone thank you for all your hard work and congratulations and sergeant, next item. >> >> item 5 crux to adopt the revised general order use of force action. >> all right. colleagues and people with us members of the public tonight is a big night we have worked on the use of force policy for some. and we are at
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the final stage i see deputy chief prepared to give us a brief presentation and have discussions good evening. >> good evening commissioner president loftus chief chaplin and director hicks and members of the public i'm deputy chief hector here to provide the commission and members of the public with a brief overall of the use of force draft policy development and did tentative architecture in the process with the meet and confer with the poa commissioners on december 9, 2015, you directed the use of force policy that the department developed 3 use of force policies we presented to the commission on february 10, 2016, those 3 policies were general
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order use of force and use of force reporting and use of firearms and legal force inform written and verbal remedies for the department on the 3 use of force drafts stakeholders included members of the police department and the public defender's office and the sf bar e. >> and the office of citizens complaints and the district attorney's office and police employee groups to name a few the commission agreed to draft a second version of the use of force policy that included input from the community stakeholder and the input from the police commission held throughout san francisco additionally the department of justice subject matter comments and suggestions on the 3 use of force policies were provided and the commission
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announce the use of force subcommittee the subcommittee consolidated into 3 divisions of use of force on june 22, 2016, the commission voted to move the draft policy forward to the meet and confer process the meet and confer was initiated with the poa to discuss the draft 5 agreements we are reached the tentative agreement were basically language clean up and typo during the course tentative agreement number one on page 19 the d go basically was a typo connection e correction and changed from context to consent the updated general order with the tentative agreement was posted on the police commission website on december 2nd but g o was dated october 13th
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if i remember correctly 2016 that's the documented i'm referring to in this presentation >> a language clean up as you can see the last thing that was striking this section the policy was bulky and confirming and the principles and package that was discussed were cited in the general order earlier in second 3 c in order to read better that session the points were removed and referred those tactics in one sentence. >> moving over to tentative agreement number 3 again, some language was included to clarify the chain of command from the supervisors office officers when
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clarified we who is responsible for what role and the use of force evaluation and to what superior the supervisors office is the sergeant and the notification made to oracle to - that clarification language was added and the read item was industrial because of the languages to clarify that point a little clearer. >> tentative amendment new 4 speaks to physical controls person body weapons when officers offices of those tactics a session on vulnerable populations that second on vulnerable populations was specific to use of force options i think that principle everybody alleged bloopgsz in the general policy statement it was removed from this section of the policy and incorporated into the
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overall principle section of policy and given its own subsection there was a - portion added it is the last in the last sentence of the order under vulnerable population the language that was added was when all other reasonable means are exhausted that was added to give officers direction to be thoughtful in the application to consider lesser force options when dealing with the populations tentative agreement number 5 is on page 5 of the draft g o the language was below the discussions excuse me - sections rothman numeral one through 4 for a better
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understanding to the points their discuss below 0 so move forward from the general order to the top and the language was changed to include each discharge to a discharge again, just a little bit more clarity when discussing the discharge of a firearm and moving to the next slide below the section was removed but the language for reassessment was kept in the order. >> the language in section 2 one through 4 was not changed and remains the same the draft g go dated 2016 with the tentative agreement was posted on the commission website and made available to the public
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on december 2nd with that, no other substance to provide merriam was part of the progress i don't know if she has comments shield to make. >> good evening, commissioners. >> i don't have any other comments by available for questions. >> thank you, ms. merriam. >> okay colleagues thank you deputy chief we all have a copy of the draft order and the changes this is the minded for discussions i will start off with you know a couple of things this one of the big areas that has been discussed has been san francisco's month have to create a strict prohibition at shooting at cars this commission maintains that's the best practice and verified by the
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united states department of justice we also were pleased to see an unanimous resolution led by supervisor cowen unanimously passed by the entire board of supervisors so that was wonderful and so i think this is consistent within the things that was included in the resolution keep talking about and identifying to make sure our language is a as strong as it can be i don't have any change to the language at shooting at cars that is very clear one of the things that we have seen in other departments including the boston police department and others is that the preamble can often explain to civilians and people that know this idea we've been talking about no policy can predict all situations there are ways the devacationed or other policies are investigated where we left it colleagues no policy
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can predict every situation police officers are to exercise sounds like judgment and inserted for clarification the policy of the department to review all fibrosis on a case by case basis to evaluate all facts referring a d go the question becomes are we sufficiently clear on how we deal with extraordinary circumstances not specific to considers cars but specific to general police work so i'll open up for discussions i have some suggestions around language but want to check in where everyone it is and how you've been thinking over the past few weeks. >> i have not promoted language yet that is the discussion of the particular issue you have the language in
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the d go. >> commissioner mazzucco. >> as you recall everything is ability down to one issue shooting at moving vehicles we've looked at the best practices throughout the united states and gotten input dprt department of justice and including tactical interprets with presence experience on the streets that boils down to one issue it is korea that obviously we can't predict every sidewalk and no situations that are alike with the law enforcement on the street and kind of hard to have a textbook out on the streets the officers are dealing with situations we've made it clear that our intent we'll look at every single situation and
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evaluate and we're concerned about the officers safety and mower paramount to the safety of the public and the police officers they're out on the street everyday and night you've heard the 3 thousand calls from people in mental health crisis and other coolers their violence and people have committed crimes we take into consideration and up we've been open-ended to let them know we'll consider every situation. >> yeah. thank you commissioner mazzucco and the point i'll make to clarify of the 18 instances officers have shot at vehicles in the 11 years they were not situations where everyone is into a crowd or it was a route instance of - not - chief we've had this discussion i don't know if you want to contribute to the general issues
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the department has faced versus the discussion about the future is a fair question the future is uncertain and make sure that our officers can deal with the issues in the past but this attempt to address route instances where overshot at a car in a route traffic stop or something along those liposuctions lines. >> that's why the prohibition is in place we've seen the deadly force in the route issues that officers face like i said that's a sticking point of one of situation where the policy is supposed to address more the. >> (repeated.) >> the constitution of the united states. proclamations of what had officer has to do beyond the scope of their employment. >> so the languages we have in the preamble colleagues that will be service to the entire
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policy currently reads that no proposal policy can predict every situation the officers have to use sound judgment and to look at all discharge on a case by case basis that covers our intent i'm also consistent with additional language i'll read out now and if you don't like this language no policy can anticipate every conceivable situation or circumstances and officers are expected to use critical sounds like decision making the policy to review every instance in which a firearm is discharged case by case to evaluate all the facts to see from the discharge was within policy from any perspective that lays out a number of truths we know how to evaluate any violation of policy
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it clarifies some of the confusion that has left people with uncertainty there's a extract ban in the policy and an awareness we can't predict everything that officers will face if they face something extraordinary with that - >> yeah. i'm happy to read it i will slow down. >> no policy can anticipate every conceivable situation or exceptional circumstance which officers may face. >> in all circumstances officers have expected so experience sounds like judgment and critical decision making when using force options.
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>> it is the policy of the department to review rigorly which i'll note barred from the lapd policy every instance in which a firearm is discharged including exceptional circumstances on a case by case basis to evaluate all facts to determine in the discharge is within policy. >> commissioner president loftus where will this be inserted and into the preamble so the second photograph of the general policy and clarifies
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that in certain situations officers are exposed use sounds like judgment. >> got it gotay commissioner vice president turman. >> i also want to emphasize lace 0 out what we do on a case basis whether in policy or out of policy so it clarifies that it didn't subtract or add anything. >> it is our intention to give more verbiage to it. >> and colleagues, we gone through this page by page many times and issues and questions with ta we can you know talk about other issues well.
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>> throughout the documents there are references to rapport building and deescalation tactics we've spent the last hour talking about crisis intervention that was focused assemblyly mostly on individuals with mental health problems but as we know there are folk that the police will encounter without mental health issues and violent i'm assume this language of the rapport and deescalation strategy applies to those individuals as well we heard in the last hour the incredible training that is done about to be done more for crisis intervention and i'm wondering where it the training for other folks
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encountered with the police say that part of the curriculum i'm not sure aware of that police officers are available to them i think that is that type of training is critical under pines the philosophical bent of this particular order. >> that's excellent and this is a starting point and the train will follow chief do you want to talk about training and how that will go once that policy is adopted. >> once the policy is adopted one of the arrangements to train the officers the training will be implemented and that will be multi faceted as video training and academy and training at the range with the deescalation and it doesn't justify it you universal not
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just inform human right deesclation is universal we'll have great things with the deesclation and one of the agreements to provide training for the general order and once that is implemented. >> any thoughts. >> questions. >> commissioner dejesus. >> yeah. (inaudible). >> i'm trying to figure out what i hear you say no policy can predict or anticipate. >> anticipate. >> anticipate every conceivable or exceptional circumstances. >> which were exceptional sidewalks that officers may face similar to the first sentence instead of to policy can anticipate every conceivable situation. >> 0 okay. so my understanding the preamble one
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of the things we happen to do no exception and so we have been telling them the preamble protects and has us review whether or not - >> yeah. speak into the mike. >> my understanding we've been saying the preamble protects the officers that's why we don't need the exception but the list of exceptions it becomes the rule something that the department of justice as wander or warned us shooting fatality one of the things the officers low position themselves in a place they'll put themselves in harm's way or put themselves in a place of harm and forced to shoot to protect themselves shooting at cars is an ongoing thing i know some of the department are no shooting
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at cars unless another weapon not the car itself so i hear you saying we're strengthening the preamble to the extent that it is very clear for an exceptional or unusual situation will be at this time and they're using their critical thinking and training if they should be protected by the preamble so we shouldn't have to change the no shooting at cars or putting an exemption do i understand that right. >> okay that would be helpful and consistent with the departments will have strict based on shooting at cars wlelg it's drafting issue what is the rest process so add some
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clarity. >> chief. >> commissioner the policy covers the issue a duty for the officers to remove themselves from harm's way to get out of the way in - again one of the things that will be evaluated with the commission if there is a position the policy is clear you shall get out of way and protect yourselves from being run over. >> the other point the last point is interesting that chief suhr this was a big commitment was to stop shooting at cars he issued a strict issue don't shoot at cars but u nurmentd cars and shockingly the result of that bulletin it went up and that is to say with the cit let's learn if every situation
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and say what did we try to do there we can't predict everything and did that work that's why the doj backed up us and leaving the language it is a challenge to this department and the challenge is how we allow offends to deal with horrific situations and berlin our duty to say we'll train our officers to be our guardian i have three children myself one 71-year-old mother is here we want the officers to be the guardian and part of what is required we're clear that there is no shooting at cars as someone was saying today, i think i was listening to it might have been forum this
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morning and forum and bill bratton stopped this in la 20 years been it i heard reporting not as much resistance because before that time even said think about it your shooting at a two-time ton of metal how will that go even if your successful there was a better job in that effort to talk about not good for the officers or the public that shooting at a car is rarely the best 0 opposite but were an extraordinary situation exists commissioner vice president turman. >> i don't know if it is the appropriate time i need to switch gears a little bit first of all, when you mentioned our
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mothers age she was not pleased about that. >> (laughter). secondarily (laughter) >> secondarily through this process we have reached temple active agreement on issues that deputy chief read through but there were and i think that is important to bring this into the public rear there was information provided and discussed that i think that is important we need to discuss about the - we we are given information but it took rare use women and smaller officers find that of benefit we also discussed that we are not aware
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in san francisco history that it is caused a death and poling to the doj about their specific recommended and eliminating if we eliminate the carr rotted no immediate use of force options and they gave us information it should remain until we went through a process and identified another entering meat and look at the policy again. >> we got a presentation from the defense take ibz they
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clarified if at the request of the choke hold and caroid i volunteered to have them do the caroid restraint on me that felt like i could feel the 200 blood stop rushing to any head it was clear from the statistics 35 times used last year and this year 18 times. >> so you know i mean, i think what we are sharing with the public was shared in private and for our consideration to consider that while it is an
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antiquated police practice the question is timing do we eliminate it now or later and give us time to evaluate it for female officers and smaller officers as we've been told it is effective for them we're not aware of instances the training has fallen short the doj was interested and we believe we have information so that the training that as been effective and tends to be used rarely and effectively thus far some for us to discuss i don't know about our thoughts about that. >> commissioner melara. >> i like to express my support for looking at this policy right now in relationship to the overall policy and possibly allowing that to be in the policy as an
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allowable form of restraining so we can later on assess other forms of use of force forms that we can replace that with if necessary but at that particular point we're not leaving the offers an alternative the the statistics was interesting and the use of frequency was not
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used very often and the last point that's what it came down frankly here's what i'm worried about you know what the next option could be we don't replace that with or have something else that's what i'm more worried about and seeing scenarios that is what i have left to do and i don't want to get into that so i will agree. >> now i'll say that part of discussion oh, i'm sorry commissioner vice president turman. >> i just just to be clear it is stated the intent of the commission to eliminate the caroid but we need to look at other intermediate use of force
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options with the paid approach the giving you is okay with that i'm sounl in favor of eliminating this. >> it is also a question of under what circumstances to be authorized i'll take to commissioner mazzucco. >> we had the misconception the caroid was a choke hold it is different i see the doctor understands that and essentially had a demonstrated and saw videotapes actually, the caroid used by san francisco police officers responding to a domestic violence and to use it on a smaller female officer a so protected the superintendant as well as the officers and
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explained the practice prosecutes processing a complete host the training for all california officers a mandatory section whether or not we eliminate that the officers will be trained on it and have that as an option and can't precinct all circumstances but if a officer is in combat over a gun we went out to the station he when we were doing the chief selection process and we were assigned to stations i actually also was sufficed to terryville station after one of the officers was shot and the officer had candid conversations with myself and other commissioners and thought that until they get another under the influence of drugs
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tool in tenth the caroid is what we use as a last result for use of force and we heard from many of the officers they're concerned about their safety that is about everyone going home safely i know there was discussion so i think that until we get off option that option has to exist for the officers. >> just to be clear yeah commissioner dejesus this policy has to prohibit choke holds and prohibit choke hold inform question i think i want to make a clarification that remains ♪ policy choke holds are prohibited if so policy of the department and on page 7 we actually should be implicit about that under b prohibit use of choke holds >> correct.
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>> and do that in into places choke holds an section 3 i think that the point is to the extent in the minds of civilians we got dinged on this if you're going to make options on the force do you have to understand the different between the choke hold and a caroid we're sharing that now commissioner dejesus. >> yeah. of course. >> i'm a little bit confused i hear maybe not green from all of you, we should definitely eliminate caroid at some point that's a question i have is why. >> if some of us are resolved we should eliminate this at some point what was the basis for that conclusion or the basis for that conclusion. >> i'm happy to take that the
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basis of it what it is i would characterize it as a police practice that is falling out of favor as a best practice the concern of giving us in certain departments a caroid restraint could be a choke hold and if no training and certain departments are caused a serious bodily injury to the members of the public so the point the doj a training and execution question and how often is a used based on a general sense the caroid is on its way out we band it in the initial draft and in the process recognized the key banning the choke hold the caroid as we identify more immediate force options not the best practice i think the intention of the commission was eliminating it
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and eliminate it and have to recognize this policy about giving officers options they can use with the challenges they're facing and still we'll have that discussion and insert other options are we okay with leaving it for the time being but implicit it is the intent to eliminate it. >> before we insert 09 intermediate force options we are certain there are no other intermediate - generally chief i'll ask you to take that one. >> okay. >> i can speak right now. >> commissioner dejesus. >> one of the things the caroid is archaic we're one of
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the few that a caroid the department of justice recommends get rid of that i've had the draft and i checked for caroid that was here and a little bit disconcerting so have the arranges i knew that would have to be added. >> we don't have. >> i would have liked to add the caroid i didn't have 5 m i'm comfortable we decided and the department of justice agreed it shouldn't be interested and in the other force options i don't know what you'll talking about verbal expand and take downstairs the choke hold and impact weapons and batons and pepper spray spray and the dogs
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the dog unit for bites and vehicles for interference and impact trajectories and firearms so they have nothing they have nothing i'm not buying that and the public will not buy that i know one of the things the department of justice said was to look at with our stakeholders re-evaluate you know tasers this is a setup to say therefore we need tasers and i'm not agreeing with that i'm feeling disskertd it should be agendized or talked about adding the caroid i disagree with that 100 percent i don't know how they have other tools it is proper to say they have nothing. >> okay. i think what we're reporting back we shooter with us by the tack ice cream team chief you want to add something.
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>> no, just that i think on the table here it was bought up earlier you don't want to get a point with the firearms that goes to the lack of knowledge about the tools on the mrofrldz tool in the tool belt the baton and pepper spray tools don't work on this and the caroid has shown to work on everybody letting be clear band in other department that is slipped to a choke hold but the train in san francisco is adequate police officers they've engaged it is used very judicially in san francisco most of folks that came up in closed session planned what the scenarios were and where why it was used i
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think outside the box disingenuous to say on the doj to get rid of of that and recommend strongly to remove the tasers so we're going to if we are take it we need to take it all and not piece out from the doj that is a strong represents to look at that and it is also a recommendation to immediately stop of use of it and if we look at it we need to look at all of that but as far as using that tactic in san francisco i've heard people talk about nation wide and san francisco is there a situation that resulted in a fatality that question can be posed to my knowledge has not. >> multiple voices). >> take a breathe the police
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commission should look at the top experts didn't say we recommended tasers we strongly recommend st. mary's but look at it experts. >> just to be clear that's off topic not what we're discussing. >> commissioner. >> the issue here is where we're use it there or not and so i suggest that instead of arguing what the you know what we're not going go to argue tasers we take a vote and leave
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it there as a option eliminating choke holds and then if we leave it in there we vote on the totals package we can i believe the attorney will allow is to insert language in there. >> ma'am, city attorney we are allowed to insert language before we take a vote. >> deputy city attorney mirena burns. i want to make sure i'm clear a couple of things from a legal stand point the agenda item talks about the action items for the use of force that encompass all number 2 you can insert and you can take things out as they fail within the agenda item itself so use of force is a insert or retract. >> there we go. >> dr. marshall.
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>> well again, i go to any big concern it is out and i'm looking at the scenario of the officers that is out i'm hearing from you and others officers seems like their ill-equipped i saw some of the situations that came up and the tools that you decided commissioner dejesus were not sufficient at that point to deal with that to me about having tools but if that out one less tool and the situations that you talked about and i rising and deemed in front of me meaning that person kaurnt be dealt with unless went to the next option i'm glad for the next option joking i don't care what the next one is i want you to have the option and the absence of
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another option it is marred to have that taken out and leave you all the officers without something. >> so thank you dr. marshall so just so sort of put stay where we are i think the question is whether the intent of this commission to eliminate the caroid restraint when we want to do that immediately or give ourselves time to the point that commissioner dejesus is making that is possible after a full assessment we are satisfied it is possible we're not dr. marshall and so do we want to leave it as an option my issue would be for what situations and i will not be comfortable with it used for anything less than a officers by a lavj officer with
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an officer who has his or her life's threatened particular officers that are smaller or female officers that found it to be a tool that helped them so that is a suggestion that i have the group. >> commissioner vice president turman. >> i heard i think commissioner dejesus said it was in here where it caroid in here and it's page 7 prohibited from the following caroid and choke holds we have. >> i thought you were saying that was in here that's a prohibition. >> to make sure that none added it. >> i thought it was out so i came here with the understanding that was out and you guys are
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talking about a demonstration in closed session by the police commission the public didn't see that we're talking about educating ourselves with that but you know a question at this point that was appropriate to do that in closed session that was not something that was confident i got it 8 days ago it doesn't say putting in the restraints i heard what the attorney is saying there is potentially and add caroid or change it not a prohibited use and change that as as prohibit use i think that so be called out so. >> so we want to clarify we've satisfied all the notice requirement it is here and up
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for discussion i think that certainly no intent to sandbag but discuss commissioner dejesus it is up to us to decide wonder and commissioner. >> one other thing remind me how we got to this point i was through the impression that we got to this point over a a lot of hard work and many, many months maybe more than a year or more; right? and that there was a working group that was seeing by this body. to operate in good faith and that at one point that body voted to adopt this document pretty much the way it is today and so i am disturbed that a
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critical part of this is alternated tonight >> all right. >> commissioner vice president turman. >> first of all, i wouldn't say this document it is what we voted open it was inserted ta you had a discussion just moments ago on the preamble so and like anything a document what can amended with further information so - we're trying to come to a document that embodies certain use of force how we want use of force to be catered out and consider all the use of force there is nothing wrong is considering that and if there's additional information
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to bring it forward. >> commissioner melara. >> yes. this document as gotten a lot of input over time and also went through you know the human resources process so a lot changes that have taken place when was initially proposed one of the things i was surprised was that tasers were out out of this document and someone who would want to discuss the issue i feel very uncomfortable that was not part of discussion to when caroid was eliminated he was concerned we were not giving the officers an option so you know we've all gone through that. >> commissioner dejesus. >> i want to go back to that night we vote the public was
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against the caroid restraint and that was. >> unanimous decision i know that we had the meeting unfortunately in closed session with our personnel people with the statistic bargaining unit and we talked about the private deems but the public didn't weigh in that and not see the caroid restraint in closed session i was sitting here the same way with the body worn cameras and that's what you're doing here is a very important issue and important to the public and needed to be changed and this didn't do that. >> if i may. >> dr. marshall. >> commissioner dejesus i understand that again for me it is every other city that doesn't have caroid has something else they have something else
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we had it policy we'll not have something else what i'm hearing the police can put their officers at risk that's the other side so we have to decide in the absence of something else for me is do you want to put on the recommendation of the chief them at risk that's it maybe for 10 or plus years that's difficult to do do but that's the reality of things everyone has something else that's my only point that's all i'm saying. >> i like for you to entertain a motion and take that out. >> take what out. >> as (inaudible) out and look
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at it at a later date. >> okay. so at least some other folks that want to talk did i get you commissioner vice president turman. >> dr. marshall, commissioner dejesus. >> i'm done. >> commissioners hinge is that chief. >> the last thing what option does an officer have in a small room you don't use passport spray because you might passport spray yourself but what tools like we are called to an call what tool will you be able to use in a small room where you're fighting for your life that's my question if anyone has a
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question as you named you can't deploy your fight someone with superior strength what force other than your gun to stop that individual commissioner hinge and i totally respect that and hear with the other commissioners are saying my question is still why didn't you raise this easily during the process i was presented i was presented with what pretty much represented why weren't those concerns raised in the process. >> they were. >> was it if they were were they got dismissed. >> you asked me i was clarifying. >> and they were voted down. >> commissioner dejesus. >> so i appreciate everything you say chief but a discussion amongst the commissions and can ask you for stuff i don't mean
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that in a disrespect way point out you know shush i want to say one of the departments is that things need to be a separation between the department and the commission i'll jump in dialogue like that it proprietors that perception not in a disrespect way all the issues raised and known. >> i want to say this we're all on this body nothing is changed nothing it done where we colleagues and professionals can agree if we can't we can voted our conscious but somehow, i don't think we should evaluate that sxhaj is there anything anything i'll be concerned about
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the idea i think that commissioner vice president turman brought up is since there were discussed that we got through this process it is important that we share them with the public not important we necessarily all august but not doing is service if we didn't share that pubically doesn't mean that will be successful or not but a lot of input to suggest that even considering some of the new information we had in a public way is anything after arbitrator and designed united states to get us comfortable how we'll vote that's my position oar other comments commissioner melara. >> i think you were asking for commissioner vice president turman a suggested amendment i'm clear. >> go ahead. >> you're going to propose. >> yep. >> no language.
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>> you didn't - >> you just wanted to say. >> into the microphone. >> i wanted to say that commissioner dejesus and i'm talking to you not the public it is important, important us to think of our chief whether it is intern or the department in chief we take him as someone who got instituted insulted and knows the operation of the department that's why he's the person that reports to this commission if we can't hear the person that knows the everyday work of the police department then we can't do that we don't have any information we are citizens and of this body very part time considering all the resources that the person sitting in that chair binges to us we should be respectful. >> i'm respectful you may not
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take it as respectful it is not a member of the commission we should ask for advice and information. >> a discussion we are having it flies in the displace of the department of justice and no separation between what the departments wants all i'm saying we need to keep that amongst ourselves that's your opinion i have my opinion. >> commissioner vice president turman. >> i'm going to request in a form of a motion okay. i'm going to do that in the form of a motion that we amend this draft to include
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first in rome numerical 5 caroid restraint and the first paragraph add did caroid restraint and paragraph in sections roman numerical of add language to the extent something like it is the intent of the commission to eliminate the use of the caroid restraint as a use of force option however, it will be maintained until and acceptable alternative intermediate forced option can be identified and implemented and then also in roman numeral
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of section b-3 prohibited use of choke holds take out choke holds. >> and i also think because to eliminates confusion between what is in effect between the old policy and this policy that the - we should and do hereby direct the chief to issue a departmental bulletin along the line of eliminating the use of specific in a way that you described give me the language. >> it was eliminated to sflanz where officers are facing
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assault or life-threatening situation. >> the assaults or life-threatening bafrlz that will be effective on the issuance of bulletins and honor your commitment to the respective policies. >> under section b the permanent use of choke holds and cross that out and cross out section a the police officers will not use the following a. >> that's correct. >> okay. >> so maybe what we had to make that a workable is ma'am, city attorney tell me what
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you're advise i have would it be best to do overseeing separately or altogether. >> it is really given the discussion my advice to do it separately because that seems like there may be some disagreements to be clear i would advise separately. >> we have a there's a motion on the floor to make the changes as commissioner vice president turman and seconded by and go to public comment particularly on that motion the discussion colleagues so public comment on this motion. >> sure. >> commissioner vice president turman do you want to reread our motion. >> that we amend the current draft to include use of caroid
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restraints in the following ways section 6 a following section section 6 we will include a section that says that is the intent of the commission to eliminate the use of the caroid restraints as a use of force option, however, that will be maintained until an acceptable alternative between the use of force option can be identified and implemented in section 6 b-3 change controls to choke holds and section 5 b we would add the term caroid restraints in section 6 introduction paragraph we'll add the caroid restraints and eliminate the language that that will prohibit the use of
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caroid restraints and direct the chief to issue a department bulletin along the lines of eliminating the use of the caroid restraints and also strike b to a i'm sorry b-3 a that will prohibit the caroid restraints. >> i said that. >> it was clarified by the language - choke hold. >> (inaudible). >> have the chief do a department bulletin that's not added to the d go. >> both of those thoughts in one motion. >> if i understand the
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question correctly it is legally acceptable to have the motion and direct the chief to have a department bulletin no legal law that says you can't have that and i'm not asking if it is legal i'm asking - >> that's the robert's rules of order are governed by the commission i don't offer opinions on that. >> order to make his motion and include as much as you want. >> you're a public - >> thank you for that question. >> okay good evening welcome. >> good evening commissioners let me give you my reaction to what you just done i've been in the process for the beginning of the working group and i've been coming to those meetings this is a good policy
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i was going to call is a transformational policy but what you done is so flabbergasting and at the last minute exactly with the body cameras but more than there has not been a lot of changes since june 22nd it was fixed two go things that will be part of moot and confer the poa strongly opted the caroid restraints and shooting at vehicles you stuck to our guns. >> caving on the caroid marty said he'll run he has unfinished business with the office uses policy that feels like that i'm not accusing but we knew that the caroid versus choke hold
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marty gave us a demonstrates in february we knew the commissioner president loftus said to the commissioners statements it is antiquated and fallen out of favor that is dangerous that's why the department of justice said immediately immediately prohibited and we have been waiting a long time so you're going back on this this is the first recommendations of the department of justice that commission is rejecting you can say that is office use to everyone that the option is tasers everyone know that and intermediate use of force we looked in in the working group i'm just shocked. >> okay. thank you. >> next speaker. >> my name is richard i live on geary street i spent state and federal years
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as a caregiver and more cab driver killed than police officers every year to say that there are no intraeshth use of force is just a lee a lot of bull when i was a caregiver i had great relations with the police and they've helped me when i had a weird passenger let's look at the mario woods murder for example, you got a guy with a knife everybody nonsense us a blapthd or tamper they surrounded the guy with guns and murdered him you can say oh, they had no choice i took karate lessons you know how to fight and studied mash art you can't use our feet and the
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butt of your gun only choke people or shot them that's a lie that's a bunch of bull anyone says no intraeshth methods of restraint and it full of it i mean how can you say different you're getting me looks like i don't know what i'm talking about everyone knows but you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> thank you, welcome. >> thank you. >> we were doing so well, we just supplement he felt what was good we were talking about sound judgment it was about care about the person not what the tools on the belt to hurt someone for gods stake i sake thank you
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commissioner dejesus for calling out this is a cover to get tasers in we know the chief wants and you know they still the public is not forgiven the officer for killing eric garden he didn't know we can't do this we can't go back from where we were to talking about compassion and caring about life and all the work those people are done it is just you know and also keep asking the city attorney i filed a complaint about the public - the city attorney said that was ridiculous and should be dropped immediately they didn't think that way and ruled in forgave now the public was excited i thought a whole night and chief we like and cit policy those reports we're going to the
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motions we talked about that and really this is happening how can you do this to us we've been through the process the public caring about and thinking we were all one night together in one night i'm exhausted and sad i wanted to wish you all a happy holidays the darkest hour is just before dawn but none can hold bye back the dawn i thought wisp having that right now i can't believe it. >> good evening, commissioners david san franciscans for police accountability i came here tonight to commend the commission for the great work in getting us a new chief but your sandbagging us sands bagging the public we can only guess what is going
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on behind the scenes that all seems orchestrated and staged and prerolled how we make a deal with the balanced emmy's and did someone tell you the commissioners who will bring that up and support that their sandbagging the commissions one is outspoken our newest commissioner. >> you may have satisfied the narrow legal lyric but not done our duty in allowing the public the time to weigh in a last minute deal that has been done and flies in the face of use of force as it stood out before this was made the idea point caroid restraint and the tasers are bog intermediatey use of
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force is an absurd context in terms of maybe the book value similar but tasers are expanded off weapons and caroid is close contact they're very, very different in the commission is voting to leave caroid in only for female officers or officers weighing less than one hundred and 25 pounds that's one thing but not all about the train in new york city eric was killed by a sad ethic cop that ignored his pleas he couldn't breathe and it became quickly a choke hold. >> next speaker >> ace washington and all the new commissioners i'm not new
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but true to this i've not been around the process it be redundant the mothers were crying the black people have been lied to and now you have the policy to change everything i'm so confused here so as a person that i like to be in the know i suggest that you have round table discussions with community people that have input before you do anything because the people that work and the closet i'm sure they're doing the hard work i'm not public health the finger but supporting supervisor cowen in fact, a year or two ago everybody was migrant or against her when they came out with that policy this was this seemed
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ridiculous. >> now the support of our supervisors and happen to be african-american and that's why i'm here to see what you'll do with the african-american blacks have been drizzling out of the city mainly because of police department not by the chief but right now we are here tubbing specifically about african-american a black have been spot and 8 years ago i love marvin gay that said certain things that trouble is coming here and police shooting and stuff like that i'm harden i want to get my quotes together but to the point you need to include the community a little bit more so - >> thank you mr. washington.
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>> next speaker. >> hey i think everything else said things better than i can but this is real bull. >> thank you. next speaker. >> good evening and welcome. >> thank you karen san franciscans for police accountability i was there when mayor ed lee promised to implement all 200 and 72 recommends of the u.s. department of justice you were right behind me as you commissioner vice president turman and so i'm dismade to see we'll start picking and choosing which recommends to implement he commend commissioner dejesus and commissioner hinge for speaking up for the interests of the people of san francisco we have don't want tasers in san
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francisco we spoke tonight 3 thousand calls per month from people in mental health duress we know that tasers are particularly lethal and used on people in mental health classes there is a reason why san francisco has no taylor's we have a high-level of intoxicated people and don't want one and 50 units of broelts through people's bodies we need you commissioners to stand up to the police department and prevent those deaths from concurring that's why - so, please keep the caroid restraints the ban on caroid restraints in the policy as we
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agreed on months ago and vote to adopt the policy and thank you. >> thank you further public comment. >> good evening. >> i'm julie from the bar association we want to provide context to the central meetings this is something we discussed and this is a green collar between the captain and chief chaplin and captain thought that was an important tool to her given her small size but the chief said that is too often can slip into a choke hold the department of justice as recommend against it i think that's why this body addressed not to use it is a complicated
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issue not as much as shooting at cars is our killing fold and tasers will be our killing field but you don't have to put that back in and about the language promoted is that it does so many to open the door to bringing in other weapons here's what i really want to say is that all of us that approach that work and spent merriam and i meet with the poa we spent 6 hours on the first couple of paragraphs for the preamble and the focus to bring a new day and reform to this department so i think what is troubling for the public is that we're now talking about weapons and sort of a list of weapons and where do you go to next and the prior conversation was about deesclation so that's what is troubling people i don't have an
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answer or a strong opinion about it but you understand what is troubling with that i wish i had a magic wand but i don't. >> magic has one. >> good evening i don't have a very long opinion about caroid or tasers but figure out if things are lethal if it is tasers if it is non-lethal use that the sanctity of life is the prominent issue for the policies you - the same thing it's of life not the sanctity of no pain those are non-lethal tools i'm not a scientist or police the police know their job better than we do i'm like the rest of
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the public think you should be using any tool that is number one lethal including the tasers and not lethal i don't know apparently some people behind me think they know and some people in front of me think they know figure out. >> hello, again tasers is an electrical device let's be contrary on that on the issue of alternatives dr. marshall raised a question about alternative that is right after excuse me - governor brown got petra - made
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a whole list and it is interesting this commission didn't have a list of weapons rode as to small rooms i will suggest looking at the county jail where prisoners are restrained in tiny, tiny rooms without choke holds and look at small status populations in korea and japan the police officers don't use choke holds but other mash arts as to the point about the populations vulnerable populations a slide on vulnerable populations ask you to look at data to determine what else belongs in that category because in this city populations are not young
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pregnant women and may not fit that category of impaired so ask you to look at defining those populations they're young and people of color mostly men not disabled who are the vulnerable populations. >> thank you, sir is there any additional public comment on that matter gentlemen tndc. >> david mental health board this is a really troubling issue job want to see in any officer have their life put in jeopardy but the department of justice what is kind of i see convert agency has come up with a set of recommendations and our own wrfrz has come up with recommended i hope you'll honor both in our decisions thank you.
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>> is there any additional public comment on that matter. >> okay hearing none, public comment is closed. >> i wanted to address a couple of things one is that i have often said reasonable minds can differ but my approach he really want to reiterate that i i don't think that is a mistake for remarks to the commission as a whole and not to individuals. to think about the right thing to do especially before a decision that's the right thing to do and that there's so many people that care deeply about this issue i understand the emotions and frustration but ask all of us to remember that in this process you know we replace the use of force has was not changed since 1918 and on a number of issues that is important in the process to
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remember that that commission is designed and intending to keep the public safe and preserve life and keep the officers save so we are consciously sort of our motivations and other tactics i think we're as a city we need to come together and where we disagree in our disagreements we be respectful and say if you're biggest or my question to myself and what i ask moist what the right thing to do here knowing everything i that know and i trust that and colleagues feel the same way colleagues anything you want to
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add. >> okay. let's call the question. >> sergeant killlshaw. >> on the motion as read into the record by commissioner vice president turman commissioner president loftus no. >> commissioner vice president turman no. >> commissioner marshall just vote guys vote our conscious what is the right thing to do? >> marshall yes. >> yes. >> commissioner dejesus. >> i wasn't here but maintain was no. >> no. >> commissioner dejesus no commissioner mazzucco.
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>> yes. >> commissioner melara yes. >> commissioner hinge. >> no. >> the motion fails 5 - 4 to 3. >> okay. so the second issue that i will bring up the language with the commissioner earlier in the preamble. >> i move to adapt our language. >> second any any public comment on this the preamble. >> >> i want to take a moment we hard working on the first two paragraphs and i don't think that the language changes the intent of the paragraphs i think that to the extent and
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the additional explanation was needed i watched the poa and the focus of those ads i watched what happened to the small family i've spoken with that family what happened to that family and the damage that was revisited on that family and thank goodness for vivian remark investigative reporting i don't want the city seen in my way with the response but the extents that rank and file officers thought different than commissioner president loftus said on television and said any officer would be not disciplined for do the right thinging to the extent that language helped i think we support that language
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and i want to make laser how damaging that ad was and how unfair to rank and file off file and insure the rank and file when this general order was written and drafted and adapted that we take into consideration everything we listened to all the advice voices and want not be to frightened what they saw an tv and their conduct will be genocide and the appropriate way and what we need to do is the training to make sure their supported in their training i support - >> thank you. is there any additional public comment on that okay sergeant call the vote. >> excuse me -
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>> on the motion as read into the record by commissioner president loftus for the preamble commissioner president loftus i. >> commissioner vice president turman i commissioner marshall i commissioner dejesus i. >> commissioner mazzucco. >> i commissioner melara i. >> commissioners hinge. >> i that item passes unanimously 7 zero. >> okay. thank you and then do we need to do ma'am, city attorney the entire policy with that latest addition i'll ask for another motion to approve with the amendment that was passed unanimously and want to
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include we prohibit the use of choke holds the prohibited use of choke holds as opposed to 0 holds with the policy and intent ask for that motion to approve the entire policy with those two changes. >> second. >> okay any public comment on this entire policy anything you've not covered already. >> david san franciscans for police accountability we frankly, we're not 100 percent happy with the use of force when it caught in june as it currently stand not having the caroid i can live with that but canned speak for my group he
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want to commend everyone that working hard and how much that will pass and the training move forward thank you. >> is there any additional public comment? >> this is embarrassing but i'm not 100 percent sure as to whether the policy you're voting on bans caroid holds. >> it only includes the policy that was unanimous and strikes out choke holds and replaces choke hold in one section. >> there is a section that is caroid okay. >> yes. >> i take back everything he said (laughter). >> and if only that are
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possible. >> next speaker >> i come here prepared to say something i have no idea what was going to happen and confused my understanding is that you are into the vote on implementing the use of force policy i want to thank to the commission if in fact, you go forward for including the prohibition at shooting at the vehicles as any which would friend was shot and killed by a cop in 1998 and her case has been sited by this as a reason why the inclusion of the prohibition was necessary for this policy so thank you for keeping it in and please go forward and vote on it her family and friends really appreciate that and everyone who will not die as a result from being shot at in moving vehicles
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will be appreciative too. >> next speaker >> quickly you have the cam to do that as you're about to do the use of force i like the old chief but we're building momentum for reform keep it up. >> next speaker >> good evening. i'm lauren i am hoping for a unanimous vote for this motion and i would like to thank commissioner dejesus for speaking up i really appreciate that and this commission i understand you do really hard work i couldn't do that i couldn't do that but it's the right thing to do to keep others
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san franciscans no matter who they are safe from bad guys and bad cops thank you. >> is there any additional public comment? >> now i'd like to say happy soltice. >> thank you all. >> go ahead and thank you all for coming to this conclusion makes the public feel we've been listened and heard. >> further public comment i'd like to acknowledge supervisor cowen is here and thank you for your leadership throughout the process. >> (clapping.) >> okay hearing no future public comment commission this is a hearing that is a process
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we want to make sure we're watching that we're voting on the entire use of force policy we've been working on it does include as discussed the prohibition on shooting at cars it does eliminate continual to eliminate the caroid position and has clarifying language in the policy with that, sergeant, next line item. >> on that to adapt the use of force with the amended preamble and striking out control hold and using the language prohibited use of choke hold commissioner president loftus i. >> commissioner vice president turman i commissioner dejesus i. >> commissioner mazzucco i
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commissioner melara i. >> commissioner hinge i and commissioner marshall i want to make a statement while i'm concerned about the available lethal option in this new d go i hope we'll visit that soon i want you to have everything this the department to protect the offices and don't want to hold that up and with a resounding i. >> (clapping.) >> d go passed unanimously everyone thank you we're going to go ahead and take a break before we move on to the next
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>> we're back in open session. but you're right. >> no, i go christmas shopping. >> you have- commissioner
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dejesus is here and commissioner dejesus we're going back into discussion. >> okay. >> commissioner president loftus we're bad actor back other than the record in open session. >> great so colleagues given the late hour and the significant progress we've played all take item 3 off calendar that is a number of reports we can get those in the new year and that moves to us general public comment on agenda not on the agenda if any general public comment. >> public comment the address the commission on items not on tonight's agenda within the jurisdiction of the commission. the commission as a whole under police commission rules of order neither the police department, occi or
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commissioners are to respond to the questions prooebz the questions prooebz the questions prooebz the questions prooebz police commission should enter into debates and please limit your comments to 3 minutes, please. 2 minutes. >> good evening and welcome. >> i really want to say this with the room was packed you we have only it minutes i didn't want to use up that time we need to thank toney chaplin for stepping up i think the city owes him a lot of gratitude. >> (clapping.) >> did close session owes him gratitude and stepped in to a difficult situation i think he's kept us save and officers safe i'm honored to call him my friend and thank you in a public
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way and sorry that more people are not hear to hear that but i have great respect and fondness for you, huh? >> oh. >> that's all. >> thank you. saying that >> thank you julie. >> next speaker >> hi commissioners david san francisco police commission for accountability i want to second the conformation of toney chaplin and like to say i was surprised by the bill appointment and foe for the commission for forwarding william scott and would like to give special thanks to the president for her role in the decision maker process i noticed that commissioner president loftus beaming at the press conference and she's proud of the city family for a touch
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decision but in exchange the poa show of unit we're aware of the one and 80 degrees in the other direction a consensus for field change but at board of supervisors with the outstanding leadership of leaping and malia cohen and now the christmas that is ready to magnified and we believe we have a mayor on board so a potentially very hopefully which they in choice in the new chief and new commissioner who seems to have a strong desire for reform i think that is sad that mary about run for the poa president they'll resist and tail try to rile up his membership for change we'll stand behind you to make sure
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the trofrps succeeds thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> karen san franciscans for police accountability commissioners you profoundly thank you for your leadership in insuring the safety of san franciscans and of sfpd and in the intern chief chaplin thank you for your services for the city tonight the address the 2 men and women of the police department to urge you to follow in the brave footprint of our colleagues sergeant yolanda williams and renounce our membership in the pooshgsz the movement for sfpd accountability we urge you to join us in may we forced chief suhr to resign a in september supervisor cowen asked
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the board of supervisors school of resistance and change in october mayor ed lee promised to implement all 200 plus recommends of the department of justice and in november the voters established an office of police accountability and look the oracle got a complaint against an officer the board of supervisors noetd voted 9 to one in support of memorial for the appointees advocate to the commission and mayor ed lee ignored the poa and showed a candidate to lead sfpd and tonight 33 you adopted a use of force policy banning shooting in cars and caroid restraint enabling the poa and martin as leadership of the poa is eir resist i was. >> bald by the letter from the
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police officers undermining the chief before their appointed drop out and in you stay in vote for leadership that represented our leadership in the direction of everyone in the city of san francisco. >> thank you. any further general public comment hey. >> welcome back. >> in the last month in south la the lapd was in charge and 3 officer-involved shootings november 28th at one p.m. 28 and maple was a fatality and then another one on figueroa not fatality and december 18th that past sunday at 5:00 p.m. 60 and western avenue resulted in a fatality how about william scott
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and how will he handle the officer-involved shooting does he plan to fire the officers involved and officers involved in cover ups fired b what about the people that have helped to cover up brutal and not racially bias but part of groups and evidenced by text message white pour the vice president of the poa was disciplined - did william coolant challenge the poa department if we don't see bill scott he everything the answers to the questions without having to ask thank you. >> thank you. >> further general public comment
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hearing none, public comment is closed. thank you, everyone and sergeant, next line item. >> item 7 public comment on maul matters pertaining closed session including public comment to hold item 9 in closed session. >> any any public comment on this members of the public hearing none, public comment is closed. >> sergeant, next item. >> vote on whether to hold item 9 in closed session with the administrative code action. >> do i have a >> thank you commissioner president loftus we're back on the record and you still have quorum sergeant, next line item. >> item 10 vote to disclose any or all items in closed session miffed action. >> do i have a motion.
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>> not to >> i. >> opposed? the that item passes and sergeant, next line item. >> item 11 adjournment action item. >> colleagues do i have motion >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? that item passes we're adjourned thank you, ladies and gentlemen, ev coming out on a beautiful sunny summer afternoon although i guess the first day of winter i'm ed reiskin and this huge
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interest in low income intersections in san francisco so great to so, so see many of you here to celebrate a accomplishment for making streets of san francisco safer as people know hopefully most people know city leaders in the mayor and board of supervisors and the commissions as well as stakeholders decided 3 years ago no longer tolerant and accept that people will die as they try to get around san francisco so we adapted vision zero back in 2014 to eliminate traffic fatality by 2024 a number of ways we are work toward to goals and with an is redesign the streets to make them safer for
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all road users we're doing that in all vision zero using date to drive us to where we can make the most impacts and when it comes to the streets we know from research by the department of health that a small amount of our streets 12 percent of our corridors and intersection are responsible for more than 70 percent i have our facility collisions where we are standing lights up on the map of san francisco the unfortunate location for people are gotten seriously hurt or killed trying to get around san francisco police department that's why that is the treatment the first of its kind protected intersections we wouldn't be here without the leadership of mayor ed lee the support of board of supervisors, i want to acknowledge jane kim it's r he's been a strong supporter of the
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streets a great work by the department of public works to help design and implement just kind of work and strong advocacy from folks like the san francisco bicycle coalition to pursue us that's why ear here wouldn't have been possible without the the leadership of city hall is please help me welcome mayor ed lee. >> (clapping.) >> thank you ed reiskin and thank you to the mta for working closely with many agencies to put the city's very first protected intersection together and to see how this role can help safety been the premium policy for the streets so thank you to the bicycle coalition, public works and walk sf and livable city working with our city agrees as well right
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here in a z inspector duffy, see the craft above you on the streets everyone using walking and bicyclists in particular intersection we have now to the data we have done prior to this change documented over 2 hundred people ride there to intersection to get to work that's as a an invaluable piece of data at the looked at the accident data the fatality date to inform us this was an important intersection to make that change so hopefully everyone driving a vehicle will appreciate pleasant users for this inspector, next item. >> people using different modes of transportation from
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walking and biking that's why that intersection was designed in. >> way in which of the turns or more safer and slowed down and that the need to have much more alert of everybody users the intersection will be appreciated by that design i want to congratulate everyone for doing this because that will be a good test how integrated most transportation will work in a urban city like san francisco i appreciate the design here i want to allow it to really flower to if we have data that informs us on challenging intersection we'll do those kind of safer ways to get everyone to appreciate the multiple you used going on i see tom livable city is here an advocate along with the coalition i'm here to more
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than obvious to support in effort in getting to vision zero and make sure that every project we identify regardless of whether we put a ballot measure if pass we're trying to make that happen no matter what we're committed to making vision zero and reality in the next few years and need to work with everybody thank you for cooperating and make sure we're always doing the right thing and add my thanks to supervisor kim not here but a strong advocate for this to happen thanks. >> (clapping.) >> thank you, mr. mayor the mayor mentioned the design of this intersection is being unique and design as the mayor said to slow down people and improve the visibility no matter how you're coming out or the mode you can see each other and
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reduces the conflict this unique design was the first for us in san francisco it is relatively new in the united states though it's a been designed used elsewhere in the world a lot close work between our agency and public works we the mta staff do the preliminary kind of the comprehensible and engagement them with the engineers over at the public works that is new to the design and public works contractors come in and do the physical work and the sfmta folks come in and that but in the stripping and the so forth a collaborative effort and mayor ed lee directed all city agencies to work together in a coordinated way to get the improvements done i want
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acknowledge of the sfmta our livable city section is here and mike one of the explosive wife designers and crews coordinating with public works and the sign shops to get those projects a lot of folks work together and the public works grateful to have a strong partnership want to welcome our public works director mohammed nuru. >> (clapping.) >> thank you e line e ed and thank you, mayor ed lee since 2011 when we passed the road bond we really had quite a few a number of opportunities role to improve how people move around san francisco and seen more people bicycling and walking around the city our agency has been working closely with the bicycle coalition and sf works really to make it easily for people to get around the city as you heard from the
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mayor and ed this is a critical spot that is an intersection where people connect to various neighborhood and market to downtown or up to the castro or towards the financial district our designers work and this is the first protected zone that we are rolling out there will be several and as you can see light areas for people that can feel safe when we cross the street and making that easier for people that are using this and so we've very, very happy to be part of the design you know it is what san francisco needs at that time more people are walking bicycling and our agency will continue to make our city safe we are a big supporter of vision zero policy and we'll continue to doing everything we can to make our city wonderful and more
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enjoyable for everyone temperatures. >> thank you, mohammed and the contractors to make that possible and all the leadership and is coordination from within city hall the real benefit of what is different vision zero is a community partnership with the city it is not just the city but our community groups it is the coalition of dozens of groups close recognizey and neighborhoods and business groups coming together to support vision zero and one of the lead voices particularly when it comes to bike safety it the san francisco bicycle coalition at the they've been relentless for safety and pushing us to do more faster and better and that's pressure that stays on us everyday helps us to get this done we appreciate the leadership and the pressure from the bicycle coalition and we're glad to be joined by executive
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director bryan. >> thanks ed. >> thank you ed reiskin and mohammed nuru and thank you, mayor ed lee for your living room in adopting the safety improvements that will make our streets safer and help us to chief /* achieve it. >> this will help to reduce the casinos of night vision and hopefully that will be embarrassed in other corridors across the city i want to applaud the staff of the sfmta so for grace's new ideas and xernts and looking forward to hearing from people that walk and bike and drive and seeing that feedback incorporated to the design i know many of the
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members of the bicycle coalition have excited about the redesign and it is working beautifully and the cars are making the right turns that slowing down behind you he before the redesign of this intersection cars with speed there and try to get across the bike lanes so we need more complete streets projects to protect and design and build xroiz for the health and safety of everyone that walks and drives with geneva and so the streets approaching the redesign protection should be considered along 80s coordinate in order to help the city improve the street safety and
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achieve vision zero. >> thanks bryan and as bryan said gathering we'll be feedback from people that bike through the z that walk and drive through it and as the mayor said we'll be doing an evaluation to see what is working and not and other parts of city finally i want to acknowledge the 0 folks out here with the jack hammers powerfully concrete and from a construction were the ones that were contracted to do this around the city and want to give them a shout out this project and many others and the other contractors that work with side benefit of all that work we're trading jobs for san francisco businesses that's it we look forward to seeing how

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