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>> the hot team can refer people to the navigation center, those stays are limited to 30-days. the majority of people staying there end up on the street after 30-days. when we look at the people going to the navigation center, the numbers are not significant. we look at the numbers coming out. the persistence of homelessness is a problem of political will until the public understands the city needs to invest in housing,
this problem is going to continue. i think we need the police department to educate constituents about this instead of saying police can get people into services or perpetuating the idea the members of the public have that polices is the solution, it is crucial to be honest with the public. >> president turman: is the police department perpetuating that idea? are we telling the people that policing the homeless is what we are here for, we can get you into these services? that is not us. that is another department. as much as i agree with what you are saying, i am glad to do our part. what you are talking about is beyond our control. all we can do -- effect the
orders given to us. you can change the order system. we are glad to do that. >> that needs to be said. >> president turman: you need to go to the mayor's office or dpa. we are at the bottom of the chain. we can't change that. >> i think that, you know, to address that point briefly before getting back to my last light and turning it over to the director of the coalition. many of us have seen a lot of neighbor meetings where people are trying to placate the neighbors who want to call 911. the reason we want to show what is happening with this type of polices is that it is pervasi pervasive. whether or not people, officers want to do it, it is happening and it is having a harmful effect on homeless people.
regardless of what people are calling 911 want people to think. so i think there are things we can discuss further. briefly, what happened to our survey respondent'ses when they got the citations? the majority couldn't pay them. 62% ignored the citation. at the time of the survey it went to warrants. city data show in 2014, 132 homeless people we're jailed for quality of life. the citations added up. they were incarcerated for being in public space. no one in this room obviously wants this. that is why the da has as of 2015 stopped issuing the
warrants on the quality of life citations. i will turn it over to jenny to continue with what the coalition is asking of the commission. thank you. >> hi. we are going to get to the recommendations and the stuff that you were mentioning, but i wanted to talk about quickly the impacts of the citation in terms of the big change that happened to make sure you all were clear on it. in 2015, previous to 2015, the courts were issuing warrants and civil assessments for unpaid fines. about 120 then, of course, when people don't show up for court those warrants as well. they were doing both. we did put pressure on the
courts and this other stuff was happening. they changeid it, which was the right thing to do. it is illegal to punish people. they moved to the civil assessments. so now whereas before you would get $300 assessment the fine goes to collections agency, the arrest warrants are issued. you could potentially be arrested in you have a number of warrants. that ended in 2015. now it is the $300 civil assessment. that still does have a significant impact. the professor covered the impacts. i want to point out one piece of the impact the vulnerability and
force displacement creates a barrier to services in terms of working without reach workers. when people are moved around and are on the cass of getting housing and they lose contact with the outreach worker. property confiscation is huge. you think it is dpw. that is not true. we have a truck in the tenderloin and witnessed the sfpd involved in property confiscation. you lose medicine, from the mental health perspective other kinds of things people are losing survival gear sets folks back. that is something that sfpd can certainly address and follow the property policy that is implemented by the aclu and lawyers' committee not followed by sfpd.
the context professor covered really well, but i want to move on. >> president turman: what are you asking of us? >> sorry. the recommendations we have a number of them for you all and commander is going to be talking more about what is going on with this. we want to look at dispatch protocol, exam that. if it is not a police issue, meaning a safety issue or something outside of the context of sleeping or resting or being homeless and present we would like to shift that up. if i am the public and calling to say there is a homeless person. now the city is going to send a police officer, and we want to look at that. that is not appropriate use of resources.
>> president turman: your recommendation is we don't respond or shift it? >> it should go to the appropriate responder, psychiatric crisis without violence, go the homeless outreach team. >> the commission there is the infrastructure is not there 24 hours a day seven days a week for that to be done. >> president turman: currently we don't have the infrastructure. at some point during the day that is possible. it is about building around that, is that correct? >> it is building. some of that is being done with the three one one. those are routed to the proettesiate city again -- appropriate city agency. what she is asking not 24 hour, seven day an week availability
for that dispatch. >> president turman: we could work with the homeless and city agencies to talk about building this protocol so it is an ongoing concern, we can do that, right? >> correct. >> we want community education on costs and limits on policing homelessness. we hear positive a lot from the community meetings that we can't ticket our way out of homelessness, but we hear the opposite message as well which, you know, which isn't helpful. >> president turman: the opposite message? >> encouraging residents to call the police when homeless people are present and they will remove them. >> president turman: who is doing that? >> i mean there is. >> president turman: not from the department?
>> yes, from the department. >> president turman: our community engagement people within form the community when they do the community meetings about the appropriate channel to address these issues, is that correct? >> yes and also to dispatch. >> president turman: go ahead, chief. >> i think part of that is education on 311 and 911 calls period. >> president turman: let's educate. that is up community's alley. >> encouragement of discretion. admonishments rather than citations whenever possible. >> president turman: that is in our control. is that something we can work was the coalition on? >> yes, we can work on that. i think the coalition is aware
of this. a lot of these issues in the infrastructure go beyond what the police department can control. i am not saying these are good or bad ideas. we will work with you on those issues. >> president turman: there needs to be another partner in there? >> yes, we are working on that. >> president turman: find a partner and work on it. >> supporting alternatives like increased services and decriminalization and denouncing the antihomelessness issues. if the commission weighed in on you are one voice. >> president turman: what do you want us to weigh in on it with? >> you can pass resolutions and make proclamations. the commission is a very
respected element of the community having them fighting for more services for homeless people would be helpful. i am turning it over. >> president turman: commissionr marshall, let me go back to the one about who you call. this has happened several times. i run around the property. i have kids around, women on my staff, i have a preschool right next -- daycare next to my building, and for me when i go back to them and they are concerned, who can i tell them to call? the first person they called in the past is the police. it works. who shall i tell them to call? >> first to be clear from our position. the very presence of someone who
is destitute is not illegal. it is just another member of our community. if someone is in need of help, we should call the appropriate person for help. if there is an actual criminal activity it should enter the police department realm. that is our position. i have kids, i have them with me all the time around homeless people all the time. i raised my children in my office surrounded by homeless people. you know, just the very presence of homeless people. >> homeless is not a crime. next. >> what is missing and i know you did a great job and thank you. when people call the police, they call the police and this is every neighborhood throughout the city. the chief and i had a meeting that shocked me with their concerns about homelessness in their neighborhood. it is those under the influence, those that are in psychiatric
crisis that pose a threat and danger to people with children, to the elderly and the businesses that is the other half of the equation. the truth of the matter is. it is such a drain on the san francisco police department resources to deal with this. it would be unanimous our officers don't respond. however, what do we do with the situation where -- i walk the entire city. walking out of my parking garage. tomorrow morning there will be at least 10 to 12 people under the influence because of opioid or methamphetamine, breaking into cars, hanging around the garage. the officers are talking to them. get up, get moving. they are there. it is not fair to them they are in that situation. there are needles all over the place, children going to school walking through the neighborhood. there are two sides to this equation.
at some point the police have to become involved because social services are not doing their job. we are not getting these people off the street. the police have to get involved. we are society. that requires rules and laws to protect everybody. you are missing that part of the equation. being homeless is not a crime and should never be. everywhere we go, merchants are complaining. it is not just san francisco, it is everywhere. it is affecting the city, tourism, most of the homeless i have seen. most of the people on the street that i see in the morning are addicted to drugs or in psychiatric crisis. we have to help them. sometimes it is the police. you are not addressing that side of the equation. the citations is dismissed by the judge in sauc saucilito.
he did not care. we want to be compassionate. it is not working. >> i appreciate that. i don't see the two sides. i see it as moving towards solutions that work. that is really our framework. often times what happened with the police with the time they get there the person is not there. what a waste of time and energy the entire endeavor is. what works. you mentioned a number of different things. a lot of the things that work are outside of the police department realm. i don't want to go too deeply into them. there was a newspaper article about a woman half naked screamed at a kid. those are the situation also. when that happens you have someone in crisis. there should be a number of steps taking place. we have lost a lot of mental health system and seeing the
results on the streets. it takes a lot of work. from our perspective it is not two-sided. it is what are the solutions. that is how to move forward. we know and the department of justice knows and it is recognized the citation route is not working. we need to try something different. that is, you know, this is part of the puzzle. >> president turman: i agree. thank you for your hard work. we have a question. >> so i want to thank you and your team and the commander and the police defendant. we are asking to reform the dispatch protocol when they call to say someone is on my stairs, i want that person gone they can refer it to homeless outreach other than sending a police officer. that is a great idea. community education. when our policera there they can
educate how much it costs to do this. maybe not in the same breath say call the police. we can do that. use discretion is most important. trying to reduce citations and utilizing admonishments, not criminal acts, community possessing. if they have discretion and can do that, that would be great. these are things to work with. you are educating me and the people watching us and the commission. i think it is great. it is clear. we are not talking about criminal activity, we are talking about the things we can do to reduce the police response to homelessness. >> commander is going to talk about the advisory board on homelessness. we are working on all of these things. >> i am going to forego my 11 page 2 hour presentation on homelessness and get to the.
it is available for the public if they would like to see. president turman you hit the nail on the head. the support of housing and public health. they are on the front lines interacting with those that need help and getting them to the services they need. we as a police department are compassionates. you see the statistics less enforcement and more referring. as police officers we are gaining rapport with people referring folks to outreach. vice president you covered the other half of the presentation to say the san francisco police department gets 5,000 calls for service every month that are homeless related. 1,000 additional calls we initiate when we interacts with the
homeless. our plan is to get the individuals the help they need. we see arresting and citations. we are police officers and enforce the law. when we see them in case management and stabilization and support of housing, that is the win. that is what the police officers are doing right now. to the last point we have been working closely with the coalition on homelessness and partnered on one of the advisory boards to look at this issue. our primary goal is to work to train our dispatchers so when the police dispatchers receive what the public things is police related call they can educate about who should be involved and what our strategy is. we are excited about the work we are doing on that. i will take your questions. >> that would be good work.
let's start getting people directed to services, directed to the people who can help. you know, to say the appropriate person is probably a long list in there. we need to sort of make this list concrete so our dispatchers understand so we can start educating out. when this type of issue, when you see this issue with a person who is homeless this is who you call, no the the police department. we also need to on the enforcement. we need to talk to the dpa and find out what they can do to solve the issues without involving the police enforcements. commissioner marshall had something. >> i know you are in a hurry, sir. since i have a chance to be educated. i want to know what should i do? i really do. that is why i am bringing it up. it is not a crime. i know it is not a crime.
there is an issue, little kids coming in and out. it is a point where they have to say you go do something. what should i do with my staff, how should we handle that? that comes up with a whole bunch of folks. that is what i was looking for guidance here. >> 7500 homeless in san francisco. people are concerned about it. we broad brush homelessness. we have criminal activity, mental illness, substance abuse. in an emergency dial 911. to vice president's point they are taking the clothes off in the street, in some sort of mental crisis or committed violence that is a police response, get the ambulance and get that person to the hospital. in those emergency situations we see it. for the other situation where
this person needs help, they are homeless, there is an encampments that is three one one the one stop shop phone number in san francisco. download the app and take a photograph and send it to 311. i want everyone to know that if it goes to 311 and it is an encampment it goes right to public works and they address it. if a person needs a well-being check it comes to the nonemergency to be dispatched for the police. that is something in the future we can address that is currently the system is 311. the answer is 311. >> to be present and homeless exhibiting none of these two extremes, you do nothing. the person can be there. that is not anyone's issue. the person can be there. if that person is not causing a
disturbance, not taking off their clothes, not threatening themselves or other people, they are just there. you do nothing. you educate the staff, a person has a right to be there. if they are not doing anything, work around them. >> i would add the reason for the 311 call is to say the person is doing nothing, please send the homeless outreach team to see if they can help them. that is the calls they get as well. >> they will make that decision i guess. okay. any other questions for the commander? >> i would like to get an update in the future to see how it is going. >> we will call you back with an update. thank you very much.
>> president turman: i appreciate your comments, you were very helpful. everything you talked about, pay no attention to me because i am old and sick. everything you talked about is both achievable, laudable and we can get there. we just need to keep working together. thank you so much. what is next? >> public comment on item number 6. >> president turman: the public comment by the department and the coalition on homelessness. >> i have something for you. and i have been holding these for a couple years hiding them to make sure you all got a copy of the fancy once. i will get those.
i am a human rights organizer on the coalition on homelessness and was part of working on that report. one of the things that has been coming up a lot and does come up. i feel like i have spoken about it before is where, you know, i talk to officers on a regular basis. this morning i was talking to officers down in the encampments, and they get calls from 311 and they go down there and they are telling people to move along. the problem is there is nowhere to go. i was asking that question. they ge get tired of hearing it. where can the people go? they have no answer. i know there is no answer to
that. we currently have right now as of yesterday it was 1155 people on a single adult shelter wait list. that is just adults, that is not families and children. the average wait for a child to get into a shelter since january was 111 days. we need tobr to look at the larr pictures. people want this magic card. everyone wants the magic card to hand someone to help. i am asked constantly. there isn't one. there aren't the services to back that up. certain things that an example of different ways where the police could have come out. this last year the prop q with the tent ban would have been a good opportunity. the police are like they are to
be offering housing. there is no housing. right now people are asking officers, well, prop q went through, you are to give me a notice and an offer of services. that is not happening. there aren't any services to offer. yes, we need to look at the bigger picture and look for solutions. i have 30 seconds. we were looking with the library a while back, a couple years back, and we were advocating for social workers. within the first year incidents decreased 50 percent. that speaks a lot. when you are going with the right solutions. the citations bottom line they don't work, it doesn't work. thank you. >> president turman: thank you. any other public comment? public comments is now closed.
>> item 7 public comment on all matters pertaining item 9 below including whether to hold item 9 in closed session. >> we are about to go into closed session and consider personnel and other litigation related items. is there any comment about us going into closed session? okay. seeing none. public comment is closed. secretary kilshaw. >> administrative code action. >> president turman: we are to go into closed session to consider several items. i will entertain the appropriate motion. >> moved and seconded. all in favor. any opposed? members of the public we thank you for joining us for the first part of the open session of the san francisco police commission meeting. we
>> we are back on the record in open session. you still have a quorum. >> please call the next item. >> item 10 discussion on item 9 held in closed section. >> i move not to disclose. >> president turman: second. >> on the question aren't we prohibited from disclosing this no matter if we want to or not. >> we have to make this motion. >> president turman: moved and seconded all in favor.
any opposed? all right. next item. >> item 11 adjournment. >> president turman: members of this commission tonight we close the book on the commission in 2017. we are concluding our calendar for the year and we will be back on january 10th. it has been a challenging year, it has been a hard year. but we accomplished much and there is still a lot to do. let's work as productively together as we have been able to do in the past. i look forward to working with all of you in 2018. 2018 in one capacity or another. and i thank you for all of your
time and attention to the commission and to the goal also of serving the people of the city and county of san francisco. >> i want to thank you and the commissioner for your leadership. it is a difficult year. we do what we have to do. i want to thank you for your hard work. and we hope you get well. >> thank the chief, too. all in favor of adjournment. aye. i will make a motion to adjourn. >> second. >> i vote no. i will go with the majority. >> president turman: all in favor. any opposed. thank you. we will see you on january 10th.
>> happy holidays. >> happy holidays. >> all right. i'm glad to be here with our supervisors, council district merchants, community mbz, but of course, we're here to thank local 798, our fire department. what a -- what a challenging year that we've had. and i know our hearts always go out to the people who will put themselves in danger in order to save others. time and time again, our firefighters, whether it's fires
up north or around the bay area, they jumped to it and saved a lot of people's lives and property. but they give joy and can do that more than other people that we know that may not have that opportunity. this toy program is something that we all take great pride in, because it represents so much of our valve -- values of giving back and making care of children in our city so they can have a similar experience when the holidays come. not everyone gets that same experience, but our firefighters and our union know how to do it. on that christmas day, they will make that extra effort as well to visit the families that didn't even have something that arrived for them. that's a special treat. it is something that i value so much, that represents a city
that keeps our city really strong. so, tommy, do you, to the union, to all of the members, to the fire department, congratulations on the toy program, reverberating a wonderful place, for the collection, and for its distribution and also to say thank you to each and every one of the members for the over-the-top contributions to the families of the city. happy holidays to you. [applause] >> thank you. appreciate it. good evening. i would like to welcome you to our johnny v. toy haul, named after a firefighter. johnny v. left us years ago in a tragic accident, but he's never
been forgotten and we're offered to name this after him. thanks to generous contributions, we're standing in a beautiful, beautiful toy hall. it will allow us to better serve the program. our toy program is the city's largest and nation's oldest. it started in 1949, with firefighters fixing up old bikes. and it has grown to serving 40,000 children and delivering over 200,000 toys every year. [applause] this effort doesn't stop and start at christmas. it's a year-round effort. after the napa and sonoma fires, we sent toys up there immediately, to try to put some normalization into the children's lives. in the next few days, we're sending toys down to ventura county. we send toys to pediatric aids
wards, cancer clinics, anywhere where there's a child in need. there is is done through the generosity of our donors and san franciscans that put toys in the red barrels that you see, in firehouses and lobbies and for me the holiday season kicks off when i'm dreaming home, frustrated, overworked, and i see firefighters carrying toys out of a building and it reminds us of what the holiday spirit is all about. what the holiday season means. how you can't forget people and you need to make sure that even in this rising economy that we don't leave the poorest behind. i want to thank our special partners that have made this possible. first and foremost, we have the academy of art, who let us sleep on our couch for five or six years now and deliver toys from their warehouse. at&t, air bnb, ron calloway, san
francisco giants, barberie coast, alex turk and ground floor public affairs. and our elected family as well. mayor ed lee, mark farrell, fiona ma, malia cohen, district supervisor, who will speak right now because she's giving me the look. ladies and gentlemen, malia cohen. [applause] >> thank you. i want to recognize councillor safai and jeff sheehy. local 78 has been incredible, whether they're fighting fires
or collecting toys or making chili, they know how to have a good time. i want to recognize the board members that are here. i think we have jill running around. and we have sally running the program. and i want to give a shoutout to clinton park also, and if there is any other staff persons that i missed, i apologize. it's just wonderful. thank you for giving us a reason to come out here to district 10. thank you for giving us a reason to bring a gift and to remind you, this is not the only opportunity. when you see a red barrel across the city, please, please donate a present. and also want to remind you to come on down to city hall because we'll have kris kringle in the house, as we do annual i will giving out toys and taking pictures. again, i want to welcome you into our house in district 10 and let's let the holiday season begin. thank you. [applause]
>> now before our next speaker, i want to give a special thanks to mark leno who has set up this fundraising committee. and also a very, very special thanks to jill peeler and sale gizasa and sally jacobs, our volunteers that make this happen. they ruin their entire christmas season up to and including christmas morning, where they're still giving out toys. a special thanks for making this happen every year. and our next speaker will be supervisor jeff sheehy. >> thank you, tom. it's so great to be here with local 798. tremendous work you do keeping us safe. oldest fire department in the country. and this toy program is so amazing that you are able to do it year-round and help kids that lost everything due to fire. i know it's been really hard up
north. my mother-in-law lives up there. we had her for a while, which was interesting, when she evacuated. it was fun. thank you to the donors making this possible. it's a great list of folks and your leadership on this, it's fantastic. and happy holidays to everybody. this is really beautiful. and one of the great things that i was proud to do with my colleagues was get support for this building in last year's budget round. and so i was very proud of that. it may have been the best thing that we did. but thank you, everyone, and happy holidays. [applause] >> all right, thank you, supervisor. and our next speaker and co-chair will be mark leno. thank you, senator. [applause] >> thank you, tom. i think we all knew tom as santa claus is a san francisco
firefighter. don't you know when you are in san francisco when you are in a union hall and there are chandeliers. think of that, where else, but in our san francisco. it's been a great honor to co-chair this evening with our dear friend halah. thank you. and if you have never been on the receiving end of a phone call with a request from halah, you want to say yes. and i have to say, no one works it like halah does. and that's why she's so in demand and so accomplished. so we all love this program so much for all the reasons stated. tom mentioned over 40,000 disadvantaged children will have a smile on their face as a result of 200,000 plus toys that will be distributed. and the involvement it takes,
the money it takes, is not insignificant. let me add my thanks to our corporate sponsors, foundational sponsors, individual sponsors. there are a couple of things in life that we can count on. number one, that the san francisco fire fighters will be there in our hour of need. and that every season around this time, their hand will be in our pocket trying to raise money for toys for kids in need. and i think, tom, there is no doubt why we're here. we want to be supportive of you and our supervisors, president reed, thank you for your leadership. i was going to introduce the mayor, but i don't think i have to do that anymore. i hand it back to you to please help me welcome our president of the board of supervisors, london
breed. >> thank you for supporting this program. when i was a kid in san francisco, my grandmother to take me shopping to buy school clothes or whatever else. we went at woolworth's, k-mart, things like that. and i would leave her and i would run to the toy section. and i would have a fit. oftentimes, i was never able to leave wal-mart -- not wal-mart, but k-mart or woolworth's with a toy in my hand. i thought my grandmother was being mean, but the fact of the matter is, we couldn't afford to buy toys. she could barely afford to get us the clothes on our backs, which she oftentimes would put on layaway. and how fortunate that i had station 5 right down the street from my house and i knew no matter what i didn't get throughout the year that in december we would line up outside that door and get handed
a bag of toys. [applause] what it does to put smiles on kids' faces, when you hear the gunshots and craziness and everything around you, the time that you can pick up the toys, there is nothing else that matters at that time. no matter if i'm supervisor or anything else in this city, it's a program near and dear to my heart, that it made a difference in my life. it took care of kids in my community and they're consistently there every december, delivering the toys, delivering the bikes, delivering the smiles, delivering the love. and so i want to thank all of the sponsors and all of the people that are here to support this amazing program. we couldn't do it without you.
just this past monday we held an ethnic doll and book drive thanks to jill, over there with her mouth full. jill and i worked together. they would donate to african-american art complex. but we did have a number of the challenges, with kids being african-american, we couldn't get a lot of african-american dolls. having a doll that looks like you, makes a difference. this toy program this launched this ethnic doll and book drive that they do every single year to recognize that here in the city and county of san francisco we come in all shapes and sizes, colors, races, everything that you can think of. and so all kids deserve an
opportunity to smile during christmas with a toy, but more importantly, to get something that is going to make a difference and remind them that they are beautiful, that they are loved, and they are special. again, thank you to each and every one of you for all the work that you continue to do. thank you, tom o'connor, jill, sally, halah, and senator mark leno for the work that he did to make this happen. this is amazing, a great turnout. let's keep the checks coming in. let's keep the volunteers getting toys out to the kids in the community. have a wonderful evening, everybody. [applause] >> thank you, supervisor. our last speaker will be supervisor mark farrell. san francisco has been very good to the san francisco firefighters. you treat us well, come ppensats well and our toy program is giving back to the program.
and every once in a while, that thank you boomerangs and this year, supervisor mark farrell secured a $250,000 grant. and for that, we're immensely thankful. it helped us to put the finishes on the chandeliers that state senator marck leno loves so muc. but without the leadership of this next supervisor, we couldn't have done it. welcome supervisor mark farrell. [applause] >> i get to be the closer tonight. i don't think it's because i secured the grant. i think it's because i'm the only one in this room wearing green this evening. i see a lot of red out there. [laughter] i will be quick because i'm at the end here. a few things. first of all, to hala and the senator, thank you for co-chairing this event. you deserve a ton of credit. my colleagues on the board, i mentioned this the other week. one of the best things that i've done as a parent since being at
the board of supervisors, my wife and i take our three children down to station 1 and we go out and we rise with the officers, with the firefighters, into the tenderloin and other areas and hand out toys. as you think about being a parent, the best thing you can do is teach them that it's better to give than receive. you are doing exactly that. whether you financially contribute, whether you are out there giving the toys out yourselves, this is what it's all about. this is the spirit of san francisco. i'm so proud to be a supporter here. i will always be a supporter, as i know everybody in this room will. it's a personal thing. as london mentioned, so personal to so many in so many ways. as we enter this holiday season, that we never forget those we're trying to serve. i want to say on behalf of
myself, my family, thank you for all that you do and thank you to 798 and to the firefighters in this room. thank you for what you do for us every single day in san francisco. thanks, everyone. [applause] >> thank you, supervisors and all guests. 5 -- i want to thank you all to johnny v toy hall and thank you to sf realtors. welcome and give generously.
>> hello. welcome to public works tv. i'm john thomas and i'm san francisco city engineer and director for infrastructure and construction. before we get started, let's look back at some of the accomplishments from this week. >> 60 students from the public montessori school helped to clean up the pacific heights neighborhood the city kicked off the week with a tree lighting. we visited 12 days of kittens, held by katy tang's office. stay tuned for more info. >> let's talk about paving. so san francisco has over 12,000
blocks. every street is checked annually. treats are evaluated 1 to 100. it's referred to as a pavement condition index. 100 is the best. if it was just paved, streets need to be repaved between 40 and 60. we have all of the utilities that service the buildings, residenc residences, along there. we built a concrete base. it's around 8 to 10 inches thick. on top of that, 2 to 3 inches of asphalt that is the wearing surface that the vehicles ride on. traffic contributes to where it's a constant, rep tetitive vibration. we expect our streets to last 20
to 30 years and many of them have been in place for far longer. so we focus on keeping streets in okay condition rather than spending all the money on the worst streets. to give you an example, to do a micro surfacing project that will extend the life of a street between 5 and 7 years, we may spend $5,000 to $10,000. to do a grind and pave, it may be $60,000. reconstruction can cost $400,000 to $500,000. once a street has fallen into that state of disrepair, that cost means we'll do that many fewer blocks. once that begins to happen, if
we spend more money on the worst blocks, more and more blocks will continue to deteriorate to the point to where our backlog will grow. it's not to say they're ignored. we do pothole repair and then complete construction for between 20 and 30 blocks. we coordinate with sfga and spc to make sure that if a water line or sewer line needs to be done, we do it at the same time. in doing so, we minimize disruption to the neighborhood. and when we're done that street should be in great shape for the next 30 years plus. all of our paving projects include the curb ramps, wherever we're working and make sure that they're in compliance with the
most current ada standards. we're at a crossroads in that it's a once-in-a-generation time we find ourselves. our city is over 100 years old. infrastructure i'm referring to, sewer and water systems and they require replacement. it's most opportune to do that when we're doing a paving project. so it extends the duration, but once that's in place, it will be good for another 100 years. so i think it's one of the things that we don't often convey to the residents in the city, which is of most importance. well, i hope i was able to answer some questions you may have had about paving today. if you would like to learn more, visit our website and follow us on twitter, facebook and in that gram. i'm john thomas, thanks for