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>> this particular project that patrick is talking about today has not been implemented. >> i'm trying to get funding as part of the program. i have requested an annual stream of funding for this program. >> thank you. >> sure. >> co-chair blacksten: thank you. so, i just want to make one brief final comment. you made a great presentation. lots of information to digest. and you know, you've got a lot of good work to do and we're here to collaborate with you. as a blind person with a guide dog, i'm also hard of hearing. and so i'm concerned about what is going on the streets as well. we had not with my current dog, but my past dog, we almost got hit one time.
came within six inches of his nose, the car did. so that was extremely close. so i'm very interested in what you do, having a guide dog, i depend upon her to see when to cross. i give her the commands to go. and with the traffic circles that is of concern to me, too. i appreciate all the work you're doing. so let me go to staff. any questions there? >> i have before we go to public comment, very briefly, i wanted to say thank you again to patrick and megan for being here today, and for really placing importance on getting this data together. i know it's been in the works for a long time. and i know there has been difficulties around pulling the data together. so i really want to say thank you for your perseverance. i have two questions. one is i know that vision zero has website and information available. if you could speak for a minute
on what you're thinking around how to make the data and research public, that would be a nice thing to know. and the next question is what is the best way you would like to receive feedback from the disability community around how the projects are prioritized moving forward? >> thank you so much for your ongoing support and collaboration on this. we're actually in the process of updating the vision zero website, so this is a timely question. and i haven't actually -- we're still in the outreach phase of sharing these findings and getting feedback. so we definitely would like to share with -- we're meeting with the vision zero coalition, the senior work group, and sharing this with the task force and getting additional feedback. and then i would love to be back in touch when it is publicly available to share the
resources. in terms of ongoing engage. we have the task force. that meets quarterly, that is open to the public and everyone is invited. i know that patrick's program will involve as they mentioned a stakeholder outreach component. so to the extent that the leverage for those projects, that would be exciting. >> great, i wanted to express that mod would be interested in helping to get the word out as that moves forward. >> co-chair blacksten: patrick and megan, thank you for a wonderful presentation. definitely learned a lot. i did have a follow-up question regarding some of the traffic calming projects that you mentioned. when the time is right, i would encourage coordination with the san francisco public works curb ramp program.
marci camacho who was here earlier. and getting information regarding complaints and grievances at certain intersections as it pertains to safety. because that's another resource in terms of getting input from the community. and then of course, when identifying these traffic calming -- or intersections that receive traffic calming, what have you, the curb ramps at those intersections would also get upgraded as part of that and coordinating with the curb ramp program so we're not duplicating our efforts within the city family. >> sure. >> i think we can move to public comment.
>> i want to thank you for making the presentation. that's all the questions we have right now. let's go to public comment. anybody from the public like to step up to the mic and give us your comment or observation? >> we have a comment on the bridge line. >> co-chair blacksten: ok, all right the bridge line. >> yes, something to do with the traffic calming. there is sometimes when you're driving in a car with somebody, a taxi or personal vehicle and bicycle will get in front of the car to slow the car down and the car will try to go around the bicycle driver and almost hit me last week. and this is happening when bicycles are trying to frustrate drivers. you should be ware of this
because these bicycles are going to cause accidents. one more thing, just one more question. sir, that was one more question that i had. this is concerning the overall participation of disabled people in the public forums. someone should make the board of supervisors aware that all these commissions and boards should have available because us at home can't make it to the meetings, don't have a chance to participate in the meetings. and i've seen a will the of things happen that i would like to participate in, but because they don't have a land line, we can't participate in government at all. i'm disabled and can't get out to go to the meetings, but i would appreciate it, because the land line is my life. i think the board of
supervisors, should have every board and commission with the land line available to people who can't get out to the meetings. thank you. >> co-chair blacksten: thank you. we've heard your comment and we take good notes in these meetings. i want to assure you, we'll get back to you and go forward with it. >> ok, because you know, that part about the landline, that's really important. because i definitely want to participate in government. and i'm not able to. >> co-chair blacksten: we hear you. thank you. >> another public comment. >> co-chair blacksten: one other public comment. >> hi there, i want to thank megan and patrick for an incredible presentation, i learned a lot and it's really exciting to see this project
happening. the name says it all, project zero, great name for the project as well. i want to thank the co-chair jim blacksten for your telling story of what you experienced personally, because it's not uncommon and i've had experiences where i've been afraid for my safety crossing the street. it's actually not uncommon. and so this affects a lot of us and it's great we're having this conversation. i had a couple suggestions that i just wanted to offer. one is, i share the call in concern with lyft and über driving fast because they have incentive to, financially, for their work. and my suggestion would be maybe to start a conversation with those companies around providing maybe some kind of incentive for their workers to drive a little safer. i know that lyft and über drivers do not make a huge salary and so maybe some kind of
incentive would help with that. the other suggestion that i had was possibly working with the dmv and their educational program they have. as someone who has gotten a driver's license, there was not a great amount of information given to drivers about people with disabilities. and the different kinds of disabilities you might come across when you're driving. and so i think maybe having a conversation with the department of motor vehicles could be beneficial for the issue. and lastly, i wanted to bring to the attention of the people here, the idea of adding more crossing lights. i've seen a lot more crossing lights in san matteo and berkeley and i don't see them in san francisco, and maybe there is a budget issue, but i wanted to put that out there because i find those visual indicators to
be extremely help. >> co-chair blacksten: thank you for your comments. as a guide dog user, i've had experience with lyft and über. that's fantastic. we're taking notes. all right, i think what we're going to do is close out this information item and we'll move on to our third information item of the day. and that is overview of the -- that's number 9. this is the overview of the accessible business entrance program. let's see, our presentation is by regina dick-endrizzi. director, office of small business. welcome to the council. >> thank you, good afternoon chairs blacksten and director
bond, as i said, i'm director of the small business and with me today from the department of building inspection is ed sweeney and bill strome and then the president of the access appeals commission walter parks, to help answer any questions. so today we're going to provide you with a little bit of background on how we got to where we are today. some of the program overview compliance and time lines, outreach and education, and the department of building inspection is here to be able to answer any questions around the details of the requirements for property owners.
so, on this slide, there is a picture of a corner cafe. and that corner entranceway has a step up and the doors are at 45° angle. this cafe is in a 581 square foot space and 400 square feet was for the dining rather. -- area. now the department of building inspection has numerous solutions to deal with entryways that have been approved by the state architect. and we will see an example in the next slide of one of those equivalent facilitations. so the architect for this business used one of those facilitations which would have included having a ramp with a power door and the level landing inside. but what this would require to
achieve that accessible entrance was to change the angle of the entryway from 45° angle to 90. because this property is in a property that is over 50 years old, dbi could not just sign off on that solution. it had to go be submitted to historic preservation. so historic preservation was not -- this did not meet their criteria and so would not approve the modification. and said that they would require a detailed architect and historical assessment before they would begin working with the business on finding a solution for accessible entranceway that met historical preservation guidelines. what that meant was that the property owner would have to
submit 4,000 application fee and hpc did say it might take another six months to be able to come to an agreeable slags and suggested -- solution and suggested to go to talk to public works about sidewalk encroachment coach ment /* -- public works was not aimable to doing that encroachment. on the next slide, i wanted to provide you with the opportunity for those who are able to see it, the drawings where the architect utilized the department of building inspection equivalence facilitation with the change of the angle of the door. so again, just to reiterate that the new business could not
afford the time or cost to navigate the city's process. and so ultimately had to make the decision that -- or made the decision that they would apply for a hardship waiver and they opened their business with a non-accessible entryway. so learning about the challenges that businesses have in navigating the different agencies and trying to come to a solution, our office -- that occurrence and that information came to our office in 2012. and so over the time our office developed a white paper in proposing solutions in how the city could actually improve the process. so making, achieving accessible entryway was more easily doable. and at the end of the day, a
result of achieving more accessible entryways. so, then in may of 2013, supervisor tang asked for the white paper and legislation was created from that. that legislation -- and i know that the council has received a presentation on the legislation back in 2015 -- so that legislation was introduced in 2015 and then was signed into law by mayor lee in april of 2016. the accessible business entryway program requires property owners of buildings with places of public accommodation to make the primary entrances and entrance routes to the building accessible to people with disabilities. now this program resides in the department of building inspection.
they're charged with the implementation and enforcement. i wanted to make sure that was clear, it's not our office, but the department of building inspection is the regulatory agency for this program. through the accessible business entrance program, the city and county of san francisco is taking a step forward in helping property owners better comply with federal and state disability access laws and ensuring the civil rights of individuals with disabilities are upheld. an interagency team is working on streamlining the process for compliance with the ordinance and construction related disability access laws. the planning department, the historic preservation section, has created design guidelines, so now it's much more apparent as to what the hpc is looking for when having to alter
entryways of properties that are over 50 years old. the department of public works is also in the process of creating some design guidelines, so if a property owner does need to give consideration in going into the sidewalk area to create an accessible entryway, they know up front what the department of public works is looking for. the interagency group involves building inspection, access appeals commission, planning department and the historic preservation. san francisco public works for sidewalk modifications, office of small business will be doing outreach and education and providing resources to small businesses and your staff, the mayor's office on disability for their expertise on disability access standards.
compliance is required, so for properties, for property owners who have places of public accommodation, they're required to comply with this law. and so, places of public accommodation examples are restaurants, bars, hair salons, nail salons, gyms, retail stories, grocery stores, daycare centers, et cetera. there are four exemptions to the properties entryways that are exempted from the law and one is buildings that are built on or after the year 2002, because those are deemed to have been built compliant. buildings owned and operated by religious organizations. bona find private club.
and four, buildings without public accommodation. barriers to accessible entrances include one or more -- bariers to entryways can include one or more steps to the entryway, door handles that do not meet regulations and sloping or narrowed doorways and uneven floors. so, there are several steps that a property owner needs to report to the department of building inspection in regards to their entryway. so the first step a property owner will need to do is determine whether they are a place -- they have places of public accommodation residing in their properties, or they are exempt. if they are exempt, they must submit a prescreening form to the department of building inspection by may 23, 2018.
and to tell the department of building inspection why they think they're exempt. the department of building inspection will certify this. if not exempt, then the process goes into step two and step two, then the property owner must sult with a certified specialist. after the entryway is surveyed. in that survey, you will see it's to help determine what are the barriers, if any, what barriers are there at the entryway and what category they fall into. so after the survey is completed, then the survey must be completed and submitted to the department of building
inspection. identify which category they fall into. and then also provide a proposed remediation to the barrier if there are barriers at the entryway. after that is done, then -- and the department of building inspection obviously, you have questions to this, we'll be able to provide you with more details. then after that is done, the barrier removal that require permit from the department of building inspection, the property owner must then file an application for the building permits by the deadlines. and then the final step, step 5, obtain the permits by the deadline and complete the work to receive a certificate of final completion by the year 2021.
this slide provides you with the list of the categories in which entryways can fall into. and the checklist guidelines. the first category, entryways where they are compliant, there is no steps or barriers. and again, the property owner must complete the checklist or actually certified specialist or design professional or engineer, completes this checklist but the property owner is to submit it by may 23, 2018. the next category is category 2. which there is no step, but may have barriers. so it could be a handle, if there is a minor slope, there may need to be power doors. or the doorway may need to be widened. again, that checklist needs to be submitted to the department of building inspection by may 23, 2018. they need to file for their
building permits, if building permits are going to be required by august 23, 2018. and then obtain a permit by august 23, 2019. category 3, entryways that have one step, the property owner to submit the checklist by may 23, 2019. file an application for building permits by august 23, 2019. and then obtain their building permit by august 23, 2020. and category 4, is where entryways have one or more step or other major barriers. november 23, 2019, property owners need to submit their checklist to the building of inspection, file for application, file for the building permits by february 23, 2020.
and then obtain the building permits by february 23, 2021. outreach and education, so as the interagency team has been working together and we meet monthly, want to inform you what has been done to date. notices have been sent to property owners. the first notice sent in november of 2017. this week we mailed -- department, i say we, i feel like we're all a team here. we're all working together, but the department of building inspection mailed out a second notice to the properties again. and property management companies. we have several brown bag scheduled, so march 30 and april 13, at the department of building inspection. there will be brown bags for property owners, professionals
to dive into the details of what is required to be reported to the building of department inspection and those are from 12-1 at the department of building inspection. they can go to the dbi website, to be able to get that information. also informational materials and handouts are being developed. our office is working on specifically handouts and informational materials to the small businesses who occupy the spaces that may have entryways that are worked on and fixed. and inform property owners and businesses of the legal laws around accessibility. and financial and tax resources that are available. so our target audiences are the property owners, business owners, business organizations, the disability community, design
professionals, certified access specialists, city staff, the board of supervisors and city leaders. and so, again, more resources, department of building inspection has a really good detail page for the accessible business entrance program outlining what a property owner and guidance to the design professionals or certified access specialists. that information is provided online, at business entrance section of dbi's website. and if there is questions, for those who are listening, there is website, available for folks to e-mail to, phone number, (415) 558-6128.
also for small businesses, we have information on the office of small business website. dbi's website does provide a link to certified access specialists so that it makes it easy for property owners, at least if they want to know who are certified access specialists, to work with, department of building inspection provides that information. and with that, that concludes my presentation and happy to take any questions. >> co-chair blacksten: i want to personally thank you for your presentation. this is a fascinating subject, especially with the national discussion on the ada. so i have two members of the council who would like to ask questions, the first one is helen. go ahead. >> council member smolinski: i don't. >> co-chair blacksten: alex? >> thank you for coming.
steps on making accessible? >> the first question, if i understand correctly was regarding the inside of a business. >> no, i'm sorry. >> -- >> oh, alternative entrances? i'm not the design expert, so i'll turn that over to the department of building inspection ed sweeney. >> good afternoon, commissioners, deputy director. to your question about design, it's a case by case basis, of course we would like it -- what you're describing is a hardship. we would take it, analyze it, it would probably have to go to planning. and again, it's a case-by-case
basis. in the scenario you're talking about, i think that would be reasonable and we probably would approve it. >> ok. if there is -- >> we would prefer the primary entrance to be accessible, but if it's too much of a hardship, we would consider it. >> and my second question was, how come clubs are except on making the entrance accessible? >> i didn't write the legislation. i suppose that has to do with the overall title 24, if there is nobody from the public going to go in, it's a private club as
defined, they would be exempt. i'm a member of two clubs in town, both are not exempt. it's going to be very few clubs that are going to meet that threshold. it's a very high threshold. i'm a member of the elks, there is no way they make it. >> thank you. >> co-chair blacksten: all right, thank you for your presentation. anyone on the bridge line from the council? any questions? if not, let's go to staff. >> i lost my microphone for a moment. thank you to both ed, regina and other members for being here today. if we could -- it would be helpful for the council to hear
about how the outreach has been going so far and any suggestions you would have in terms of what the council might be able to do to help spread the word about the accessible building entrance program to the disability community? >> well, the outreach -- so we've done the first mailing. and we actually did have one brown bag in january, which was at capacity. so there is definitely interest in learning about what is required. i think -- we know there are property owners that have many different properties. and so they're likely doing their assessments, because if you think of a neighborhood commercial corridor, a building might have one retail space, or
it might have four retail spaces. if the building is on a slope, then there is going to be varying degrees of what each of those entryways have to report on in relationship to the compliance checklist. so we're still -- we're really kind of in a robust stage of doing outreach, so as outlined in the presentation, we have some brown bags lined up again to educate the property owners and design professionals on what the requirement are. working, one of those, will be taped so that we can make that available on dbi's website, so for those who can't get to the presentation. of course, desk number 8 at dbi is open monday through friday
for property owners or design professionals to go to get more information or have the one on one conversation. then our office is also -- our offices will be sending out a mailer to all the merchants, or e-mail to the merchant associations to let them know that we encourage them to schedule presentations at their merchant meetings. we will be working with -- we will be also doing round tables with the various media to be able to educate the media's predominantly the ethnic media on what this program is, the details of what is required, because that's a good way to also get out to the property owners. and then we'll continue to push out through social media, do
advertisements, and i think that sort of the core package of what the outreach is. the one thing we haven't yet included in our outreach program is the best way to be able to get this out to the disability community. our first approach obviously is here with you, giving the presentation to the council, but then would really want your guidance on who else and what other organizations we should be reaching out to. >> thank you. >> co-chair blacksten: all right. so just as a quick follow-up to the media, have you sent out any press releases, or made any -- had any public service announcements made? >> i'm going to have bill strong
from the -- who is on the press side of the department of building inspection answer that. >> we have not done psa, we have done press release to announce the program and have been ramping up through this series of outreach steps that regina just spoke about. it is quite early in the campaign, we just got started in late november. we have a fairly aggressive advertising campaign, paid advertising campaign. the department is also sponsoring to make sure property owners do know about the program. we know from our story program which has been going on for the past four years, that's a ret
retrofit offing buildings trying to prevent building collapse in the next earthquake, we've had in the high 95-99% compliance results with that. primarily because of i would say nonstop public outreach. and that's often because property owners seem to have this human habit of waiting until the last minute when we have a deadline to respond to that deadline. so we know that the fact that the first deadline for this program is may 23 of this year, means we're probably not going to hear from property owners until may 22nd. and we're trying to talk to as many organizations and do outreach to ramp up and accelerate that response rate. we're particularly interested in the buildings already compliant and director sweeney has made a
rough estimate out of the 27,000 buildings we may be dealing with in this program over the next 3 47b years, maybe a third of those are already compliant. it would be good to get this that low hanging fruit, where all the owner has to do is sign a self-declaration form that says we're compliant and files that with the department and we'll probably eliminate about 7 or 8 thousand how of the buildings -- 7-8,000 of the buildings and then we'll be well on our way to understanding about the program. >> co-chair blacksten: thank you. we're at 3:40 right now. so alice, can you make it real brief? did you have a comment? >> alex, can you make it real brief?
>> my final question is, when -- how do you guys have experiences from landowners and landlords of new laws? >> we're expecting some resistance, we always have resistance. we oversee a number of ordinances that are passed about the mayor. there are people who wait for the last moment. there are other people that wait for us to come out with code enforcement, meaning we would cite the building and it would start the enforcement process. we hope that people comply, because it's easier for us, but
if need be, we'll get into code enforcement process. >> so far -- >> so far, no, there hasn't been any. i'm sure we'll find some. >> thank you. >> co-chair blacksten: thank you very much. we want to thank you for your presentation and that will conclude all of our questions. this is a great topic. it's high interest. are there any -- we have a card i think? >> jim, regina would like to add one more thing? >> my apologies, and just to add on to deputy director sweeney's comments in relationship to council member alex's question. i think you know, we will hear backlash and/or confusion, why aren't we making the businesses
do this, but i hope we carry forward the message that property owners have an equivalent sort of -- i don't know if it's equivalent, but they have a responsibility in making their properties accessible. we are a city that does champion the civil rights of individuals and so this is just another step that the city is taking to ensure the civil rights of individuals with disabilities are upheld by mandating the entryways be accessible. we're hoping that message that we as city leaders carry on and why this law is in place. >> thank you. i think we can move to public comment. >> co-chair blacksten: let's move to public comment. any people from the public out there that would like to step up and make a comment?
i was a founder of the mayor's council on disability. let us note stephen hawking's passing. if there is one person on the planet who was, he's the guy. on the tang ordinance, i want to thank supervisor tang for taking a step forward. the problem with title 24, which is the state requirements and with the ada is that it's fine for new buildings where we get a chance to look at everything, look at the drawings, make everything right from the beginning. the plan from the beginning was to override very long period of time, bring other buildings up to code or up to a standard of accessibility when they applied for permits. however, we have many buildings who never got a permit. in the last many decades and it
wasn't because they were cheating. it's because they didn't do permitted work. some of them were cheating. however, our policy goal is to integrate people with disabilities and if you can't use your neighborhood cafe, laundry, grocery store, barber shop, then it's not working very well. so i would like to thank supervisor tang and everyone who worked in all the city departments that contributed to this, including mod. this is a real step forward. we're dealing with two steps backward which are important to recognize. one is the hr 620 problem, which is where there is a backlash against people with disabilities with the democratic party unfortunately is permitting. and i don't comprehend it. we were one of the darlings for a long time and now people with disabilities are considered to be drive-by thieves. so there is a backlash. we're not just defending ourselves, we're going to
improve access. it's the first time i had a chance to work on that, quite a while, after improving access every year and month. on the other is a drive-by problem. media coverage has very much demonized people who have -- people with disabilities who have asked their local merchants to make improvements. the tang ordinance is a compromise. it doesn't require full access, but it does require steps forward. i would like to spend another minute if i may to task you with two things. one of which you have already raised. the first is this is really about title 3 access, that is access to privately owned public accommodations. not to those private clubs, not just to offices but the places that the public is invited to use and that's a title 2 which is the vain of the disabilities -- >> co-chair blacksten: can you
wrap it up? i have a three minute limit. >> i am wrapping it up. san francisco owns over 500 properties. the department of real estate has a list of those which are leased in, where we lease private property and which are leased out, where we're the landlord. you guys are landlords and a place where you can really help is with people who are your tenants, these small shops that happen to be in city owned buildings. they can get more help from you than the building department gives to other title 3 entities and i hope you will look at that, get the list from the department of real estate, see how many we have that are covered by this and then help them out. the other is outreach to the community. there has been precious little, virtually no outreach to the community. you asked us what outreach you're doing, with you heard that, but really you are the people who need to contact the organizations and the individuals that we know who are
people with disabilities in our community and get them engaged, because there is push back here from the small merchants. a reasonable pushback. they're afraid of the costs but they need to be reminded there are people who are customers and citizens who need this, want this and will praise them and shop in their shops when this happens. i hope you take that on in organized way. >> co-chair blacksten: thank you. do we have one more? another comment? >> yes, one more. >> co-chair blacksten: ok. >> hi, i really want to thank everyone for this terrific presentation and moving forward i think is a great example of that, i have friends that are small business owners and i can sympathize with them the challenges that creating ada access can pose. this is quite a task and it's a very important one. so i'm glad we're having this
conversation. i had a few questions. one is what is the process of reporting noncompliant businesses for this program. and how long does the complaint usually take to respond to? and i want to ask as a council member alex pointed out, so keenly, there is fear of backlash here and can that reporting process be done anonymously? another question i had, are automatic doors part of the program? are there any types of businesses that require automatic doors within the program? another question i had is there any process or acquiring accessible bathrooms at these businesses that fall within the scope of this program? and finally to address the question as far as reaching out to the disabled community as far as reaching to us to gauge interest and to garner interest into this program, i would just advocate strongly for online database, a map that shows which
businesses are accessible thanks to this program which could be a great visual indicator for the improvements made. >> co-chair blacksten: thank you, your questions are excellent and as i indicated earlier, our expectations are to respond to any and all questions that have been raised from the public in this meeting. that's important to us. i want to assure you of that. as an entrepreneur myself, in the field of insurance, you know, i have a particular keen interest in this area of accessibility with regards to businesses. and so this is an important subject to me. we're going close this public comment. and again, thank you very much.
so, let's move on to, let's see, are there -- do any council members have announcements? ok. we did that. oh, i'm sorry. i did miss it. is there any correspondence? that needs to be addressed right now? >> no, there is not any correspondence. >> co-chair blacksten: all right. thank you. i didn't mean to miss you. all right, now any council members, do you have any comments or announcements? no announcements. all right. well, i think that concludes our meeting. this has been very robust,
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