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but i want to be clear that we have already been in conversations with the city attorney's office, have talked to city torch dennis herrera -- attorney dennis herrera about possible litigation with tetratech. i'm going to make sure it happens as a community leader in bayview-hunters point. we will not let this go unpunished. >> thank you. next speaker. >> michelle pierce, bayview-hunters point community advocates. i want to start by saying i find it unacceptable the level of patriarchy and level of assumptio assumptions here. i can understand the data, kim, there are several residents in bayview-hunters point that can understand the data, and people will tell you since 2014, i have kbn asking to see the data
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and have it made available to community because i don't trust what government is saying to us. second point of contention is the fact that the community has known since 2013 that this stuff is bad. not 2012, and we have been asking for the removal of tetratech since then and what the navy did was they just let their contract die out, they never fired them. these are real issues. we need authority, auto nomy, and equity. supervisor cohen, you and i talked about this -- [inaudible] >> thank you. thank you for your comments. thank you. [applause] >> next speaker. >> honorable supervisors, i'm pa pastor aurelius walker.
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i am completely disturbed after reading three extensive articles in the chronicle newspaper about all of the scheming and trickery from tetratech. and let me just do this because of my time: with the last week's sentence of two former tetratech supervisors who pleaded guilty to falsifying records, that began when i read these articles, and i look at something like this, then, that began to restore my faith because i represent the tabernacle community, and the church. we built over 600 community housing, so hopefully, i believe that the supervisors will do their job and -- [inaudible] >> thank you. >> iris biblowicz, retired
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nurse. not exactly proud to be a nurse today. last year i was at a rally with green action to try to talk to people that were at lennar fife points center, potential buyers and residents of the new shipyard, and they would not let people of the green action talk to people. i did meet someone who said if i get cancer in five years, i'll sue. she had just bought a home in hunters shipyard. i do cervical cancer and breast cancer are dub willing the rates in other parts of the bay area, congested heart failure, diabetes and emphysema three times higher than the state. this is what the people in the bayview are dealing with, and the callous disregard for
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people has been infewurriating and we will fight back. >> i just want to echo all of the concern that we've seen today and the kpexasperation. the r.a.b. is how you're going to get public accountability. if you don't have that, then all you have is too many people are no one really being accountable, and we are where we are today, i believe, because of that. i believe that we will get to a point where we'll solve the question on retesting. somebody will pay for it, and it is going to happen. but we should be talking about what's going to happen next? people live on parcel a. on treasure island, people live
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on treasure island, and the roads are dug up. the island is being teraformed as we speak, so we need to talk about what's going on next. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> my name's darca morgan, and i'm a concerned parent of a couple of first graders that go to san francisco public charter school, and i want to thank you all for pushing for retesting of parcel a. i'm very concerned about the coverup throughout the shipyard and i'm glad that you're pursuing retesting through all the parcels. i think also citizens oversight committee is crucial to regain public trust. i'm a biologist, and i have a master's degree. i review government -- i review forest service documents about grazing and mining and timber
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sales. the level of public community oversight for a timber sale or a grazing
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andrews and andrews foundation, and i live in bayview. i want to bring to mind that to me, the bayview is the most toxic neighborhood in the city, and it's poison. and the government, meaning the -- the shipyard and supervisors, they bear a
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certain responsibility on that, and care very little on what happened in bayview because it was black. and because it was black, they left it in the condition that it was because poor people lived there. they didn't have nothing, and now, it's all of a sudden because somebody said they was doing some dirt out there, now everybody want to get involved and talking about what you going to do. you should have been doing it. >> thank you, terry. next speaker, please. >> my name is lloyd tivo. i grew up in bayview-hunters point, and to me, this is almost like when the military went to iraq and iran, they were supposed to built the water system back up, they were supposed to do the electrical. they didn't do anything, they paid people, and didn't do anything.
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i don't understand why nobody is in jail, because if the company was black, they would be in jail. the supervisors, you knew it before we knew it, and now we still talking about it. so the talking -- it's time to stop talking and do something. you guys all getting paid, so something should be happening. not wait for this agency and that agency 'cause it seems like nobody knows what they doing. and when they came up here -- everybody read a book today, and we had to listen to all that for four hours. now we get a chance to talk, and you tell us hey, you got 30 seconds. i know i got more than 30 seconds, but that's what it is. >> next speaker. >> i am here in solidarity with residents of bayview-hunters point. the developers and the city has treated black, latinos, samoan
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families as second class citizens. they were lied to not only by developers but the department of public health, who told residents that they were breathing the healthiest dirt and the healthiest air in san francisco. we demand justice for all impacted families in the neighborhood of bayview-hunters point, accountability from tetratech, the developers, the health department and everyone involved in the criminal poisoning of our communities and immediate halt to any other development of the hunters point shipyard. [applause] >> supervisors, tony kelly from p
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potrero hill we need to bring back the community advisory board. you need to bring that back. the navy disbanded it in 2009 and bring bought nothing close to that. you've heard people here that have the scientific expert sees who are on that r.a.b. second, this board in 2012 created the ocii and gave that board full land use authority full authority over the land areas and the shipyard. we need to bring the authority here, otherwise, we're telling the navy and dph and everybody that their only crime isset gooding caught. >> thank you. next speaker. >> hi, supervisors. arthur finestein representing the sierra club. thank you for holding this hearing. it's sad that you have to hold this hearing.
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we concur with what everybody's saying how evil, really, this is. i guess what i would say now is when you start doing the testing, we've already seen that all these agencies are saying it's fine, even our own, and i would say don't trust any agency who's already told you that there's not a problem. and so when you start doing your testing, you need to hire your own consultants or get the city somehow to get money to hire consultants who are be be-holden to any of these other agencies, so a community group would be a good way of surprising that so that we are not having the same people who said it's okay telling us it's okay again. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> jason freed. i am a parcel a shipyard resident, have been so since 2015. i started looking at this parcel in 2014 when lennar
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first started selling units there. a lot of the things they were telling me about the shipyard was the same things they were telling me about parcel a. do not believe, do not trust what they're saying. fool me once, shame on me -- fool me once, shame on them, fool me twice, shame on me, and that's what's going on with parcel a. if you need a reason to retest parcel a, stress levels of the residents of parcel a and the shipyard are very high, and you need to get island,
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gotten to know many people personally on the island, been to every r.a.b. meeting on the last four years. i know people living there who got sick there because theerp living between two high -- they were living between two highly toxic cleanup zones.
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i can tell you now that tetratech is active on treasure island despite what the navy have told you today. they have been active on treasure island since at least 2006. they are there, have done testing of yerba buena island, clipper cove. as of the last two years, they come to the meetings. i think it's outrageous that the navy is saying oh, tetratech gave us such a poor reputation in san francisco -- [inaudible] >> thank you, ma'am. thank you. thank you. thank you for your comments. >> supervisor cohen: okay. thank you. next speaker. >> this is not just a matter of being negligent and an accident, it's serious and willful professional misconduct. it's a conspiracy from each and
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every company involved in this operation. i've seen numerous educational shows where witnesses of employees actually show where they're picking up soil samples and taking it to their supervisors and telling them that this soil is contaminated, and their on-line supervisors tell them to put that soil back and go get some soil from another location and test it and submit it. your main witnesses is the two people that's in prison. all you got to go to them and have you take them to the exact locations where they did the samples and further demonstrate that these people are not dealing in good faith and never had any intention on reaching a legal agreement on this matter. they're in violation of the rico act on discrimination. they claim they're a worldwide organization. you go to other locations where they're doing samples and tests for white neighborhoods, nobody -- >> thank you. [inaudible] >> thank you.
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next speaker. miss pierce? [inaudible] >> wow. >> good afternoon, supervisors. karen pierce. i'm a native san franciscan. my family lived on navy road on hunters point when i was born, and i am a current homeowner in hunters point. i'm also one of the founding members of the bayview-hunters point community advocates. i was on the r.a.b. until a year before it was shutdown. i have just two points to make. number one we're talking about 2014 to today. what about when we were having these same discussions in 2005? check the records for the r.a.b. number two, i was an employee of the national park service when the transfer of the presidio was made.
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there was never any hearing necessary for spots that were contaminated. they were cleaned up without anybody having to make a point of it. it was unfair to ask those gentlemen why they think this was allowed to occur. it's -- [inaudible] >> thank you. okay. next speaker, please. [applause] >> good afternoon. my name is laura raza, and i'm here from casa husta. i just want to say that it is unacceptable that our government agencies continue working with corporations that use our taxpayer dollars to cover up the destruction that they themselves created. this is a super fund site, and then, let's remind ourselves
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why are we here? we're talking about development, development for who? there's a whole vision about an ecogrid and a mixed use. this is not for the community that already lived there, so we are for development without displacement and development that is not at the cost of human health, and we want to see truly affordable housing for the people that have been historical historically affected by redevelopment, so we hope you take this into account moving forward. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> good evening. supervisors. my name is maya, and i'm here today as a community advocate who has been working with the bayview community for the past two years, and i'm here to urge you that we have more information. i have been following green action meetings for about two years now, and i'm yet to see
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representatives of some of the regulatory agencies to come and converse with the community. i think part of the mistrust we have right now is exactly this lack of information but also this lack of contact between those agencies and the community that is on the ground, so i would urge you, i would urge each one of you to send representatives over there to speak to the community and speak to their fare as well as representatives from the navy e.p.a. to come over, engage with us constantly and work with us. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> for the navy and all of the people looking at me. my name is ace, who? and i've been on this case. some of those people out there, they don't want me all in this place, but it's no mystery, just check black history,
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whoooo. i've been working on a lot of good cases involved with some conspiracy, but what's going down, down in this town? black population is going down. that's all i've got to say. my name is a-c-e, i'm on the case, and i want to introduce myself to you. >> next speaker, please. >> it's a hard act to follow. my name is gloria berry. i served 12 years in the navy. i was on board three ammunition ships which i can't confirm or deny were nuclear vessels. we did overhauls at the bayview-hunters point. over eight-nine years ago, i was blessed to get some facts from reverend christopher mohamed. he educated us a long, long
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time ago about these issues, and the board of supervisors ignored him. i think they labelled him at dust man or something, very disrespectful. but now, i call action on supervisor cohen and kim. this is two of your districts, to -- even though you have the speakers, demanding action from them, i demand action from you to come up with an action plan and present us with it asap and to advocate for us to the main -- [inaudible] >> thank you. next speaker. >> my name is john wilkes. i'm a retired federal civil servant. i have about 30 years working on these issues both in san diego and long beach. i'd like to offer you some ideas. you're in uncharted waters, but after you've done the planning,
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the testing, the data gathering, the evaluation, you're going to get into remediation. i want to remind you that capping is not remediation. please look at the entire site, whether there's paving there or not. now i want to draw your attention to another case, it's almost identical to this. it's the camp lejeune disaster, in 1953 to '87, 34 years of pollution that affected 350,000 people. i want to refer you to the agency you should appeal to. it's called the agency for toxic substance and disease registry. [inaudible] >> next speaker. >> good evening. my name is charles bonham. i'm an attorney. my office is in sausy office u.
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i have filed a $27 billion lawsuit on behalf of the bayview hunters residents. i would ask you to go up to sacramento and task the attorney general to do a criminal investigation and fine tetratech and use the money to make people whole in bayview-hunters point. i would like you to hear from two of the plaintiffs. >> good evening. >> hold on. we're going to reset the time, give these individual women one minute. go ahead. >> good evening. >> speak into the mic. >> i would like to say thank you for holding this hearing, and mr. christopher, thank you so much. although you guys working down from the stairs of city hall, city hall is the house of the people. i don't understand why the nation of islam got kicked out of the stairs.
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i don't understand why, but i didn't ways, i would like to give you this miss malia. this says that air quality in this neighborhood of bayview-hunters point in the best air that we can breath and other parts of the state of california. this is a lie, and this is signed by mitchell hass. you don't have this, but mrs. jane kim, she voted unanimous when she was appointed to -- >> thank you, ma'am, for your comments. [inaudible] >> supervisor cohen: i think your time is up, and we have to let the next woman speak. >> kathrin mohamed, and i work at the school right next to the
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shipyard. i've been there four years. i've recently been diagnosed with cancer. and i know it's been hard for my family the last few months as i'm dealing with my illness, but the hardest part is for my daughter to come and ask me, mommy, are you going to die? and i don't know how to answer that. how do i answer that? and for the representative of the navy to come and tell us she would put our family there? our families are suffering. we still are suffering. we're not safe. >> this is just an example of the 40,000 people who live there who are suffering who need your help. >> sir, you've already talked, and so we can't -- >> good afternoon. i want to start by honoring the ohlone ancestors. i'm a community organizer with green action, and aside from the title, i'm in my 20's, and i worry a lot about what i'm going to tell my children and
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the future generations. so regardless of any title that you have, i ask you to please consider, we are going to have a lot of explaining to do to our future generations. and i don't care if you work fog the navy, i don't care who you work for, we need to do our best because we're talking about the lives of the future people who are yet to come. and those who are telling the truth, i honor you, those of you who are not, i encourage you to tell the truth because it's only a matter of time before the truth comes out. thank you. [applause] >> sir, i believe you've already spoken. >> yes. someone from the board said that at the end there would be some questions. >> supervisor cohen: i'm sorry. we're still in public comment at this time. >> okay. >> supervisor cohen: thank you very much. is there any member of the public that has not spoken that would like to speak or would like to go on the record?
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okay. supervisors tang -- >> supervisor tang: so public comment is now closed. supervisor cohen? >> supervisor cohen: wow. i'm just overwhelmed by the information today that was received. i want to thank the community that came out and told their story. thank you for not giving up on us members of the board of supervisors. we are awake and we're paying attention. i want to recognize the folks that presented, the navy, i think i still see here. i'm not sure if i'm overlooking anyone, but thank you for sticking all the way through this hearing. i want to recognize my staff that's been instrumental in helping us pull this together. one of the things that i'd like this body to consider is possibly having another hearing, maybe another update in september to make sure that we start to be a little bit more thoughtful and more
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methodical in our approach in how we're going to be overseeing the work plan as well as the information that's out there, so that it does not slip through the wayside and slip through the cracks. i want to also let you know that ocii was prepared to present, but i asked them not to present. and colleagues, thank you for sticking it out. i know it's been a long hearing, but this has just been incredibly important. i think this has been a breath of fresh air, but we've got a lot of work to do. i want to thank everyone for being at the table and assisting us for going through the this. supervisor kim, you've been a partner of mine since day one, since we've been both dealing with navy shipyard -- navy super fund cleanup sites, and supervisor tang, thank you for allowing me the opportunity to chair this, and to my other colleagues, fewer and safai, thank you for showing an interest.
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supervisor safai is a member, but supervisor fewer has come out of her own concern, out of her own compassion, and care. i feel comfortable that once i transition off this board, that there are going to be people paying a watchful eye to this fund and the cleanup. supervisor tang, i move the floor to you. >> supervisor tang: i do want to thank you, the members of the public, especially the two gentlemen who stepped forward on this issue, and i'm also going to thank the press because they had done a lot to try to expose this issue years and years before as well, so i know they played a huge role in this, so thank you. supervisor kim? >> supervisor kim: thank you, and supervisor tang, i just want to thank you, your office for your leadership. it's difficult for someone like me to understand all of the various layers and what our
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role is in ensuring that we are protecting the safety, well-being of our residents and our workers here in our city. i -- you know, so there's a federal layer, a state layer, and a local layer, and i just want to speak to our local department of public health. i'm incredibly disappointed. you are our agency, you represent the board of supervisors, and i just thought that the responses that were stated today were unacceptable. department of public health should be fighting on behalf of our residents. we should be demand be accountability. we cannot be colluding and collaborating with them. i just think given what we've heard today, we have to be committed to the position of retesting, and i look forward
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to working with our current mayor and board of supervisors to ensure that happens. we need to be the community advocate, not the advocate for the federal contractor. i think overall, i'm just going to express my dismay and utter disgust at what is happening. i cannot believe that tetratech is getting any additional dollars from government or federal agencies. i'm speaking right now as a citizen and as an elected representative, but i strongly believe that any contract should be ended with tetratech. this is just not especially isabl isable -- acceptable. i think it would behoove us, on our own reputation, that we stop contracting with this agency. it makes us look bad, and i -- i'm -- i just have to say i'm utterly confused as to why that
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has not happened yet. i'm glad that all the agencies are working as quickly as possible. by the way, i've heard many good things about region nine of e.p.a., and i know that, you know, you continue to ensure that we do regress testing and work, but i think we have to go above and beyond our bureaucratic response and the scientific response and actually respond to the understandable concerns of our residents. (a), there is evidence of falsification of data that impacts the health and safety and well-being of our residents. and two, this neighborhood experiences disproportionate instances of asthma and other health related concerns. we have an additional responsibility to our residents to ensure that we really are doing everything that we can and we're doing it as quickly as possible. i hope we have a hearing before
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september. we said as quickly as possible, and even before this hearing, i hope that we get a response on what the next steps are in terms of the proper course of action, and that we get to fixing this problem as soon as possible. thank you so much, supervisor, cohen, again. >> thank you, supervisors, and so i think i heard a potential request to continue this hearing to the call of the chair. [inaudible] >> okay. and so colleague dos, we'll do that without objection. and so madam clerk, is there any other items before us today? >> there's no other items of business. >> thank you. then we're adjourned.
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you'll have the peace of mind knowing you're doing your part in your household to help the environment. ♪ >> not only did the total death on our streets from traffic collisions decrease dramatically in 2017, pedestrian deaths did as well. since 2013, fewer pedestrians have been killed on our streets. this is really good news. you know, no one wants to see the accidents on the side of the road, no one wants to experience going to a crime scene on the road knowing your loved one has been hit by a car or sadly tragically killed. this is about bringing that number of 20 from 2017 down to zero. we don't want another death on our streets because of human
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error, because of anything that we can avoid. if we change our behavior, we change our roads and we do a better job here in the city and county of san francisco. >> my ask of the public, number one be aware of your surrounding, be aware of the law, be aware of the street signals and crosswalks and try to work within the laws designed to keep you safe. look at where we were and look at where we are. this vision will be a reality. >> we all have to remember that all of us, all of us every single day, no matter how you get to work, school, wherever you go, all of us are always pedestrians. this impacts all of us. >> school starts again on monday, so i hope as you are reporting today you will encourage people to slow down, to be mindful, to recognize that you're going to have more cars on the street on monday. we're going to have more kids on bikes, more kids walking.
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please, be slow, be safe and be mindful. >> i just want to urge everyone at the sound of my voice to make some corrections. if you operate a motor vehicle, think about it, think about the person standing on the corner. think about how fast you're driving. think about the stop sign you're about to come to. just think. and just doing so, you'll help someone live another day. i guarantee that. i guarantee that. it.
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did you know that many buildings in san francisco are not bolted to the foundation on today's episode we'll learn how the option to bolt our foundation in an earthquake. >> hi, everybody welcome to another episode of stay safe i'm the director of earthquake safety in the city and county of san francisco i'm joined by a friend matt. >> thank you thanks for being with us we're in a garage but at the el cap center south of market in san francisco what we've done a simulated the garage to show you what it is like to make the improvements and reduce the reflexes of earthquake we're looking at
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foundation bolts what do they do. >> the foundation bolts are one of the strengthening system they hold the lowest piece of wood onto the foundation that prevents the allows from sliding during an earthquake that is a bolt over the original construction and these are typically put in along the foundation to secure the house to the foundation one of the things we'll show you many types of bolts let's go outside and show the vufrdz we're outside the epic center in downtown san francisco we'll show 3 different types of bolts we have a e poxy anchor. >> it is a type of anchor that is adhesive and this is a rod we'll embed both the awe hey
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that embeds it into the foundation that will flip over a big square washer so it secured the mud sell to the foundation we'll need to big drill luckily we have peter from the company that will help us drill the first hole. >> so, now we have the hole drilled i'll stick the bolt in and e post-office box it. >> that wouldn't be a bad idea but the dust will prevent the e post-office box from bonding we need to clean the hole out first. >> so, now we have properly cleaned hole what's the next step. >> the next step to use e post-office box 2 consultants
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that mixes this together and get them into tubes and put a notice he will into the hole and put the e post-office box slowly and have a hole with e post-office box. >> now it is important to worm or remember when you bolt our own foundation you have to go to 9 department of building inspection and get a permit before you start what should we look at next what i did next bolt. >> a couple of anchors that expand and we can try to next that will take a hole that hole is drilled slightly larger marathon the anchor size for the e post-office box to flow around the anchor and at expansion is going into the hole the same
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dinning room we'll switch tamet so, now we have the second hole drilled what next. >> this is the anchor and this one has hard and steel threads that cuts their way into the concrete it is a ti ton anchor with the same large square so similar this didn't require e post-office box. >> that's correct you don't needed for the e post-office box to adhere overnight it will stick more easily.
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>> and so, now it is good to go is that it. >> that's it. >> the third anchor is a universal foundation plate when you don't have room above our foundation to drill from the
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top. >> so, now we have our foundation plate and the tightened screw a couple of ways to take care of a foundation what's the best. >> the best one depends on what your house is like and our contractors experience they're sometimes considered the cadillac anchor and triplely instead of not witting for the e post-office box this is essentially to use when you don't have the overhead for the foundation it really depends on the contractor and engineering what they prefer. >> talking to a qualified professional and see what.
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>> my name is naomi kelly the single-story for the 775 i started with the city and county in 1996 working for the newly elected mayor willie brown, jr. not only the chief of staff a woman but many policy advisors that were advising him everyday their supportive and nourished and sponsored united states and excited about the future. >> my name is is jack listen and the executive director of a phil randolph institution our goal to have two pathways to sustaining a family here in san francisco and your union jobs are stroen to do that i have this huge way to work with the
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community members and i think i found my calling i started in 1996 working for willie brown, jr. i worked in he's mayor's office of housing in the western edition and left 3 years went to law school of san francisco state university and mayor brown asked me to be the director of the taxicab commission and through the process i very much card by the contracting process and asked me townhouse the city purchaser and worked with me and i became the deputy administrator and . >> having trouble struggling to make ends meet folks will not understand what importance of voting is so we decided to develop our workforce development services after a
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couple of years offering pathways to sustainable jobs. >> (clapping.) >> we've gotten to a place to have the folks come back and have the discussion even if participation and makes sense we do public services but we also really build strong communities when i started this job my sons were 2 and 5 now 9 and 6 i think so the need to be able to take a call from the principal of school i think that brings a whole new appreciation to being understanding of the work life balance. >> (clapping.) >> i have a very good team around me we're leader in the country when it comes to paid and retail and furiously the affordable-care act passed by 3079 we were did leaders for the healthcare and we're in support of of the women
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and support. >> in my industry i feel that is male dominated a huge struggle to get my foot in the door and i feel as though that definitely needs to change this year needs to be more opportunities for i don't know women to do what tell me dream i feel that is important for us to create a in fact, network of support to young people young women can further their dreams and most interested in making sure they have the full and whatever they need to make that achieveable. >> education is important i releases it at my time of san mateo high ii come back to the university of san francisco law school and the fact i passed the bar will open up many more doors because i feel a curve ball or
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an where you can in the way can't get down why is this in my way we have to figure out a solution how to move forward we can't let adversity throw in the
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