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i'm just thinking of everything moving forward. the chiefs we've had. the text messages, those are challenges. being able to deal with them, being able to dismiss officers. we have been able to dismiss a number of officers. officers have retired because they felt they would be dismissed by the department. there are procedural things that have developed, where some of the cases were taken out of our hands and moved to superior court. we cannot rule on that until they come back to us. the officer-involved shootings were huge. we've never had anything like -- >> supervisor cohen: the use of force policy just passed two years ago. what are some of the accomplishments in the 12 years prior to serving?
>> i could have made a list of all of the things. >> supervisor cohen: did you put it in your packet? >> i sent the packet to -- yes, i did. >> supervisor cohen: maybe you can just for my -- >> i did send a packet to them. i didn't know that other supervisors needed to be included. i would have done that. >> supervisor cohen: dr. marshall, i've been working on this issue for years. you, of all people, should have reached out the packet would have been helpful. >> i was expecting, supervisor, that the folks that needed the information were those on the rules committee. however, i can certainly send you the accomplishments and the things that we've had happen since i've been on the commission. and there's been a number of things, yes. >> supervisor cohen: okay. please list five. >> use of force policy, huge. very huge. change of direction and how the
commission uses force. c.i.t. officers, huge. they approach things very differently. that's being phased into all -- eventually, it will be phased in through all the offices in the -- in san francisco unified. in the p.d., approaches they're taking -- that's so important that now we have actually a ceremony for those trained in c.i.t. body cameras, a big, big deal. getting footage of what is happening. children of incarcerated parents. that's a general order that we put together. i can actually get on my phone and start to read them to you.
>> supervisor cohen: when you say children of incarcerated parents, you mean that the police department has made an agreement to not arrest in front of their children. >> yes. if you give me a moment here, i can go to them and start to read them to you. >> supervisor cohen: no. i was interested in what you can recall. i think we should move on. i have a few more questions to go through. just trying to garner your understanding of the commonality of police misconduct. how often does it happen? sitting on the police commission, you probably have seen and heard some things in open session as well as closed session. i'm not asking for you to comment on anything that's in closed session. above i want to get a feel for how common police misconduct is. >> it depends on how you define it. serious misconduct is what comes to us. we get less than before. and i think that's because we've been working through the chief and what we've put together, we're getting fewer referrals.
i can just say -- yeah, i can say that, because i remember it was 80. now we're down to less than 10. and i've been off for a couple of months. i haven't seen the documents. but as far as i know, it's been down. some of the big ones, the racist text messages were huge, but we were not able necessarily -- the ones we were able toage out adjudicate and got to us, we did. some were in supreme court. again, i've been off for a couple of months, so don't have the latest stats. use of force is down. what you want to see is the things that are beginning to work. use of force is down. complaints to the d.p. are down. things are trending downward. i think the chief has done a great job, as we've gotten working on the d.o.j.
recommendations. if i had a graph and i would put it up there and show where things were going, it would be this way. it takes a -- i said it before -- long time to change the culture. you come from the bayview. it takes a long time to change a culture. one of the reasons that i've successful with my young people is i stayed on the coach changing the culture. i know that. i could have stopped after 5 years, 10 years. this is my 31st year working with young people. i'm only paralleling the time it takes to do it. i've been on the radio for 25 years. i don't get paid, by the way, to do that, and i've seen changes. now the police thing is -- talking about san francisco, but other thing is that what happens when policing is affected by
what happens elsewhere. the young people that i talk to tells me, dr. marshall, things are getting better, things are getting better. >> supervisor cohen: let me ask you a question about the young people. they of a articulated a fear of getting shot by police. you have advocated tasers. do young people ask for tasers? >> we had a listening session around that. and young people wanted information about tasers. a number of them -- and they were all over the map. a lot of them said, it's better than shooting somebody. they said that. another said, i'm skafrd -- scared of the police. i don't know what they will do. they were -- like a lot of the general public, concerned about police operations, period. a lot of them, you know -- what
happens with police and young people depends on the contact that they have. that's why the contact is so important. i know a lot of young people that say, yeah, we have problems, but this officer is different, this officer is different. not all officers are like that. that's the state of policing. >> supervisor cohen: what is your professional position on tasers? >> i voted for them twice. >> supervisor cohen: and what is your vision for the future of the san francisco police department? >> my vision? >> supervisor cohen: yes. >> wow. that it become the best department in the united states. that it reverses -- that it closes the gap between police and community. that use of force is something that is rarely used, that it is
-- that people are treated fairly. that traffic stops, those encounters come out well. that we have officers that are into service. that we have a department that serves the public well and citizens feel good about the department. >> supervisor cohen: how do you define successful reform? >> that's a good question. i think the beginning of successful reform is getting the reform done. that's number one. and number two, you have to see if the reform has an effect. if we bust in a use-of-force policy in and we see use-of-force incidents going down, that defines success. does that mean there will never be an incident involving use of force? i hope not. as those things come up, we deal
with it, look at it. one of the things that i mentioned is that there is a bill -- i said this before you came in -- at the assembly. the standard now is the constitutional standard, where a police officer can -- if he feels justified because he fears for his life, can use force. then we would like a community standard that mirrors what we have in our policy, which is -- sanctity of life, all of that, but the community policy, the policy that the bill has to do with, is use force only when necessary given the totality of circumstances. that would mirror what we've put in our use-of-force policy. training, according to the policy, again, bias is a big deal. it means you get a different type of officer that wants to serve and i have to tell you,
supervisor, i'm hearing and talk to people all the time -- a lot of it comes from people who come here and they say, i've had different encounters with officers. i expected one thing and i got another. you know as well as i know, it takes a -- it takes time to change the culture. and you can only change the culture if you keep your eyes on the prize. and, frankly, i think i can be of help in doing that. it's something i want to do because i work with young people. but i want it to happen regardless. it has to happen because i cannot think of any more lightning rod in the communities that we serve than the police. >> supervisor cohen: so two questions. first, one of the things that makes me most concerned about your candidacy and service is that there is a blurry line of support that comes from the p.o.a. and your organization.
>> why -- because i'm fair? if i'm fair -- i don't go into anything with bias. that's the worse thing that you do is go in with bias. if you are on a jury and your mind is made up, they're the enemy? you can't do that. you have to be impartial. you have to say, i will listen to you and listen to you and you will make your decision. if somebody -- i got an award one time. this is very difficult. i got an award one time from dick armey, who is a republican, big-time republican. and i also got an award from maxine waters and from -- the long-time congressman in the east bay. and nancy pelosi. and they all came together and i remember going into -- i know this is an analogy, but i went
into the congressman's officer and i said, it was the first time i've been in your office. they all agreed on me. i cannot help it if people think i'm fair. i think it's important that they think i'm fair. why have an ax to grind against anybody. if i did, i think that's the worst thing. the p.o.a. has its rights. they can do that the citizens have their rights. when it comes to making policy, 95% of that policy is agreed upon by the time it gets to us. the aclu, the p.o.a., all the citizens groups, come together and they give us a document and they agree on 95% of the stuff. there may be 5% that the commission has to sort out and say, okay, okay. we hear 3 minutes of public comment from everybody and we make a decision.
nobody is in anybody's ear, certainly not in my ear. nobody pulls me aside and has conversations with me. no one. if you don't believe that, you shouldn't appoint me. that's just the truth. nobody does. the fact that they think i'm fair when it comes to that, is a good thing. i think you would want everybody, anybody, i think they think you should be fair. if they don't, then i believe you are not doing a service. they should say, i'm going to walk in and say something, and you will give me a fair hearing. that's the most important thing. i work with kids. i teach them to be fair. if i didn't, i have to live what i teach. >> supervisor cohen: you sound a little defensive and i'm accused. i don't know why. your manries -- mannerism, and
tone. >> that's passion. >> supervisor cohen: what are some of the facts and circumstances that would trigger a meet and confer? >> meet and confer is a process that has been agreed upon by the city and county of san francisco with -- well, a lot of organizations, but in this case, the p.o.a. remember, i'm not a lawyer. if there's a question about an issue around meet and confer, i simply ask the city attorney, what are the rules? i go by what the city attorney says we should do. >> supervisor cohen: how has the city attorney advised you in the past? >> it depends on the issue. >> supervisor cohen: right. there are certain criteria that has to be satisfied in order for a meet and confer to be
triggered. i want to know -- >> i can tell you the ones i've heard in regards to policy, in regards to, what's the word, training, that's an issue that comes up. that's the reason why you have the city attorney present, so you can be clear about what is necessary? if you watch, this particular issue, is it meet and confer issue? and then they do research. >> supervisor cohen: okay. well, city attorney is a human being, and also could be subject to -- >> city attorney represents the city and county of san francisco
in those areas. >> supervisor cohen: all right. i'm trying to ascertain from you if you have the ability to hear something that the city attorney has to agree or has the own interpretation of the law. >> and disagree? >> supervisor cohen: agree or disagree. >> normally i ask the other attorneys on the board that are really attorneys who are much more versed in is that kind of law than i am and i ask them, what do they think. in the enened -- in the end, w defer to the opinions of the city attorney because they interpret for us. >> supervisor cohen: that's one interpretation. do you even acknowledge the fact
that the city attorney could give an opinion or make a recommendation? >> i always try to understand what they're saying. >> supervisor cohen: so based on what will trigger meet and confer, what are they? what is your process? you pivot and say, what do you think? and then you just go with it? >> a lot of times the questions come up in not necessarily -- they come up not in the public and since i do come up in closed sessions and that's privileged information, i will try to get as much of an understanding about the legal implications involved in this and why it shouldn't. and obviously, dealing with city attorneys, it comes up in settlements and the things you do with them. yeah, i understand. i get my best information.
i ask what's legal, what's not legal, what the process is, what the city has negotiated with and then we as a group decide how to move forward. >> supervisor cohen: what exactly is meet and confer? >> what is it? all right. let me see. with the use of force policy, there were certain provisions, a number of provisions, i believe that the that were subject to the meet-and-confer process. and, in fact, we have somebody that represented the city in the meet and confer with the union over those. most of them were around training and labor conditions. i would have to look specif specifical specifically. i do believe that it is about the same so we can move forward in putting our general order in police.
>> supervisor safai: i think supervisor peskin wanted to ask a question. >> supervisor cohen: i didn't see anything on the screen. meet and confer is something that mr. peskin cares deeply. >> supervisor peskin: i was not trying to interrupt. i put my name up because i am interested in asking some questions as well. >> supervisor safai: do you want to -- why don't you keep going with your line of questioning. >> supervisor cohen: okay. going to log me in real quick. i'm just going to -- i'm going to move off of might and -- meet and confer. i did not hear what i was looking to hear. i'm going to move to the 14 years you have searched and speak to the different roles. former president of the police commission. i have not looked at your list of accomplishments. maybe you could read into the record how many assignments that
you have led on. >> i don't know that we've assigned a lot of things. i've been vice president three times. i've been president. i don't know that i've been assigned -- i know i'm assigned to bias. that's the big thing i'm working on. i've probably been assigned to several committees early on -- we've had several chiefs, so it came to getting a new chief. i've been assigned to certain things there. if i had known, i would have compiled a dossier of everything. i can't do it from peopmemory. >> supervisor cohen: i thought you would have known. you have been here. been here for 14 years. are you willing to terminate sfpd officers in closed session
once satisfactory information has been presented? >> without saying names, we've terminated a number of employees, a number of sfpd officers have terminated themselves, early retirement sorngs that would not happ-- sot would not happen. that's easy. yes, that's what i've done. >> supervisor cohen: okay. thank you. i'm going to let -- i'm going to back off a little bit and let mr. peskin. >> supervisor safai: want to acknowledge that we're joined also about supervisor peskin. >> supervisor peskin: i was here for number 3, but having watched the work of the committee and the questioning by committee members as well as president
cohen, dr. marshall, first of all, i want to start by thanking you for almost a decade and a half of service on one of the tougher commissions. i absolutely appreciate the notion that we should all come from a place of fairness. but as we talk about implicit bias or more importantly explicit bias, when we're in the world of reforming things that there seems to be widespread agreement, need some amount of reform, coming in and -- it depends on what the issue is, but there has to be some notion that things are out of balance and that there is an affirmative obligation from the decision maker, in this case, a member of
the commission, that one has to restore that balance. and so, i guess, here's my question -- my question is, do you think -- and i say this acknowledging that bargaining units and labor units, and bargaining because the police association is not technically a union, do you think that or have you witnessed and experienced actions by the police association that you think inhibit the reforms that the commission and the board of supervisors and the mayor's office both under mayor lee and chief scott, do you have a sense that the p.o.a. has inhibited those, whether it's through meet and confer or through other methods? >> that's a good question. first of all, like any union, it has negotiated right to do what
it does. i will start there. when, in fact, in this case, the association, objects to something, a policy that we put in, a policy we're trying to put in, i don't -- obviously, first of all, they have the right to disagree. do i think they should do it? i think, why would you do that? that's what i personally think, why would you do that? do you want to spend all this money? i think this is where policing is going. by the way, they've never stopped anything, they did not stop body cameras. they may not have liked it or litigated against it, but they did not stop it from becoming
policy. the last that they put on the ballot, what are you doing that for? okay? they wanted it faster and more and i didn't think it was a good thing to do because they had already done that. >> supervisor cohen: but you signed on. you signed on to the prop h. >> i didn't sign anything. >> supervisor cohen: okay. my apologies. excuse me. >> so back to you and what i think is one thing. but it didn't make sense to me. i said that to a bunch of people. did i go on the radio and say it? i probably won't asked at that point, but it didn't make sense to me. we had passed the taser policy. we had passed the issue and put
it to the voters. it's their right. they could have voted away the commission. they could have said the chief should be fired. no. i don't know if people want vocal opposition. >> supervisor cohen: people want leaders to stand up and lead and take a position. this is a policy discussion that has torn this city apart for at least 10 years and my recollection is that you were really -- you implicitly -- >> may i say this -- there are plenty of ways to lead. there's your style. there's your style. there's your style. my style. the thing is, to get something done. >> supervisor peskin: if i may, chair safai, dr. marshall, i heard what you said about in
matter of fact a p.o.a. has never stopped these things, but in so far as i think there's a sense of agreement that reform takes time and changing cultures takes time, would you say that the p.o.a.'s action has delayed -- >> hasn't stalled anything at the commission level. >> supervisor peskin: did not stall body cameras? >> give me a bible. has not stalled anything, anything, at the commission level, that we could legally move forward on. not one thing. >> supervisor peskin: i'm not saying when it finally comes for a vote and you say aye or nay, but in the process that you ultimately as the policymaker at the commission oversee, do you think the implementation, say, of body cameras could have, would have happened faster and gotten to the commission sooner would it not have been for actions undertaken? >> well, well, since they are
involved in the -- in all the decision making process, i don't know if they stonewalled that process. i don't know if they said, i'm not coming to a meeting today -- that you would have to talk to the people that met in the group. but in terms of -- no. if you ask me, no. when it comes to the commission moving things through to get to the process that we vote yea or nay, i don't think they've slowed up anything any more than any other interest group out there not with the commission. >> supervisor safai: any other questions? i just want to say i know that -- i want to appreciate president cohen's work. we spent, as you probably saw, 7 1/2 hours interviewing and vetting additional members to
join the police commission. i know she spent a lot of time and staff time. a lot of the questions you are being asked today were asked of every new member or applicant and i think the reason -- and i actually was asking a lot of the questions on meet and confer based on my background working with organized labor. >> supervisor cohen: did you ask any today? >> supervisor peskin: not yet. i'm asking now. thank you, president cohen. i think there's a general misunderstanding of meet and confer. one of the reasons why is that it's been highlighted specifically as it pertains to a lot of the change in culture and policy and workplace rules for folks in the police department, but this is a concept that's applied across all of organized labor. for instance, we were talking about the officer of supervisor ronen has proposed the creation of a new office as it is in
regard to victims of reign and p.o.a. and all the effective barge -- bargaining units -- and we were briefed on that -- will have the opportunity for meet and confer. i think it's been highlighted explicitally over and over again in regards to the police department particularly with the p.o.a. and i think because we're dealing with the issue of life and death. it becomes that much more highlighted, so when people say, we have the opportunity for a body camera or we have the opportunity for an additional mechanism with less lethal option for force, so it is highlighted over and over again. so i appreciate supervisor peskin's questions and president
cohen's questions because it's an important concept. when it finally gets in front of you as a commissioner, you say, we've created this new policy as it pertains to tasers. now we're ready to go here. and the first thing that the bargaining unit asks for is meet and confer. so here we are in this conversation and it does take additional time. i just want it highlight that that is something that is done in every bargaining unit in the city and county of san francisco. it's not just the police department. so i think that supervisor peskin's question is a good one. it does impact implementation and the timing of it. so when we're dealing with life and death, it's more highlighted. how do you tackle that? once it comes to you, 95% of the policy is discussed, but immediately, if it's a workplace change or a new mechanism for using force or whatever it may be, that's something that then
the barge anding unit wants to weigh in on and that goes to h.r. they meet with one another. whatever it may be. how does it impact -- >> so generally we give advice again about what we can or can't do. and there's generally a person appointed from the commission to represent us. it's getting harder and harder for civilians to serve on anything. generally it's a lawyer. a labor attorney, someone who has experience in that, who would be better than myself or others, who would have to have a learning curve going up in that.
we're used to that. commissioner mazuko has done that before. we designate somebody from the commission who has the expertise in that field, to go and be part of those conversations. >> supervisor safai: we just put a new commissioner on, commissioner elias, who is working in the field of labor. she is an attorney. she works with the department of industrial relations, i think it is. she's working as labor investigator and workplace rules and so on. so she understands the concept of meet and confer. she understands the concept of workplace rules and so on. so just so you know, just for your information. that's important. >> maybe we can ask her next time. [laughter] >> supervisor safai: maybe. president cohen, do you have some additional questions? >> supervisor cohen: perhaps closing remarks. the city attorney makes
recommendations and the board makes the decisions. you take it under advisement. i'm looking for a thought process, rationale, a strategy, on how you go about discerning between the advice that the deputy city attorney has given given what you know to be the facts in the case given what you are hearing in public comment. so it is not easy to do, but i'm not walking away with a good understanding of exactly how how that works. and, you know -- >> if i can clarify, the thought process is to sit down -- a lot of this is in closed session -- with the other commissioners and talk about how we want to proceed. >> supervisor cohen: okay. so for the members of the public, you may think this is adversarial. it's not. dr. marshall and i have worked together hand in hand for years.
i grew up listening to him on the radio. i have been invited to the radio. >> what have you called me publicly? >> supervisor cohen: i don't know. uncle? we have a relationship. i don't know the answer to that, little bit of a trick question. >> i do. [laughter] >> supervisor cohen: okay. so i just wanted to just make sure that in highlight of what supervisor safai has said, every question i've asked has been nuanced for dr. marshall but i've asked for each candidate that we evaluated that is interested in serving in this capacity, because it's incredibly important that we have people grounded in reality and understand the community most adversely affected by law enforcement and also beholden to the oath that we take to ensure the police commission as any commissioner and anybody in this
city, is fair and impartial. so that's the motivation between my questions. i wanted to get an understanding of the candidate's ability to speak to the racism and implicit bias that exists. believe it or not, there are people that didn't even understand the 272 d.o.j. recommendations. there were people that applied for this position that didn't even know what a department general order was or how many of them are out there and which ones are being worked on currently. there are a myriad of opportunities to continue to better our police force. peskin, you and i know, that we worked hard on the m.o.u. agreement. so we have one of the most handsomely paid police officers, police force. in budget committee, we dealt with the issue of if we want to add 250 more cops on the streets in the next four years. these are very, very serious matters to what supervisor safai
said, borrowing from my talking point, these are life and death issues. they're life and death issues that have a positive or negative impact on everyday people's lives. but something that's important as i see supervisor stefani and yee here, there is a budgeting implication to this. how much can we absorb? how much it will cost us? tasers, for example, when it was administered in los angeles, within the first year, they settled a $5 million lawsuit for a death because of a taser. so it's presented as if tasers are the only nonlethal weapon. that's incorrect. there are a host of choices between gun and taser. for some reason, this city and the police department is rabidly focused just on tasers.
there are other opportunities. and i believe that the commission has not done due diligence in exploring what options are available. i don't want to spend too much time because tasers is one element. carotid restraint is another, in which is a highly charged -- i'm not done. >> there is no carotid. >> supervisor cohen: that's correct. i understand that. i don't need to be corrected. i don't need to you mansplain or correct me. i'm speaking now. i understand the carotid restraint policy what it is. i was there in part of that conversation and watched it, but i saw the deliberation and consternation in the policy body, that being the police commission on who was where and on what and i want to say affirmative i that dr. marshall was in favor of keeping carotid restraints in
place because he believed there was no other restraint america nhis um available. police officers said they were afraid. okay. i don't know if they're afraid or not afraid. the point is, i want to make sure that this body is doing its due diligence in the vetting of every single applicant for the police commission. before i came in, you were ready to send this out of committee without recommendation. from my observation, i don't think very many thoughtful questions were asked. that's alarming, because this committee is supposed to vet and move things forward. i will leave it there. thank you for allowing me to present my questions and my level of understanding. i want to thank the members of the public that have taken time. i see people coming to the police commission, not just the one here on the fourth floor,
but in the neighborhood and in the entire community, same folks are consistent and showing up and are also articulating their concerns in 3-minute intervals. i want to thank them for that. thank you, mr. chair. >> supervisor safai: a lot of the reasons why we didn't ask a lot of the same questions is because it's the same applicant coming in front of us. so a lot of the questions were asked the first time around, but i appreciate you making that point. i do also want to say for the record that i did have a conversation with mayor-elect breed and she is on the record in support of you and so what i was going to say before we finalize the motion was that some of the reservation last time at the full board of supervisors is they wanted -- folks wanted it wait until there was an election, the election was over, and wanted to give an opportunity for the incoming mayor to make a statement. that statement has been made both to me directly as well as
in the newspaper today. i know that mayor-elect breed has spoken to you as well. if you want to share some of the questions she asked you or direction or important things she had for the police commission, now would be your opportunity. >> did i want to serve again? [laughter] would i be willing -- everybody thinks it's an important job, obviously. and everybody wants the department to continue, continue to move forward. and i -- that was -- and thanked me for my willingness. >> supervisor safai: okay. great. now back to supervisor yee. >> supervisor yee: i have to make the statement in regards to the rationale for the motion. i think it's an opportunity to have it heard at the full board once again and this process is
kind of weird. the recommendation did not come directly from the incoming mayor. and i want to give her an opportunity at the full board to make that statement. i would like to make the motion to send it out of committee without recommendation. >> supervisor stefani: i would like to second that motion for the same reason. it was my understanding that when this was ovoted at the boad of supervisors, one of the rationals was that the next mayor should have a say in who is committed to the police commission. we understand that mayor-elect breed is supportive and, therefore, i would support supervisor yee's mission to send it to the full board without recommendation so the full board has a chance to weigh in on this. thanks.
>> supervisor safai: great. i think that we can do that without opposition. the motion would be to send it to the full board without recommendation as a full report -- >> the board loses jurisdiction on july 17. >> supervisor safai: we had to hear this today. >> supervisor yee: got it. that's agreeable. >> supervisor safai: we can do that without objection. thank you, dr. marshall. see you tomorrow. please call the last item. >> clerk: item 3 has been called, but for the members of the public, it's the charter involving the privacy first policy. >> supervisor safai: and we have supervisor peskin. >> supervisor peskin: when i first came for this item, i was going to say good morning, but
good afternoon. thank you for considering this charter amendment that i proposed back in may. it was during the cambridge-analytica fiasco as well as a time when the sit quo has been grappling with its own privacy policies in the context of emerging mobility technologies, like blue go-go and scooters and transportation services. i think it's quite important that we move on this issue now while these events are in the public consciousness around the fundamental issues of privacy. and i'm cautiously optimistic that the voters will confirm that they do, in fact, care about how their personal information is treated in this evolvin evolving era of traditional
database world that we live in. this charter amendment proposes 11 privacy principles. they're on pages 2 and 3 of this pretty short, 4-page, 5-page charter amendment. and these 11 principles are geared at protecting the city's residents and visitors from wanton abuse or use of their personal information. it's a basic concept. if you are a private entity and your business model is based on the sharing or acquiring the personal information, consumers have a right to know how their information is being used and should have the right to ascent to the use of that information. the city has a duty to keep our house in order and keep pace and this charter amendment contemplates that as well. functionally, the principles set forth in subsection e are not binding and are set forth in the
charter amendment and guide the city as it develops rules and regulations around privacy issues, like the transit first policy. we've intentionally left them general enough to be widely applicable to any circumstance and yet specific enough to provide guidance to the city for decades to come. subsection f is the meat of the proposal and it deals with the city administrator's duty to present to the board of supervisors next year a proposed ordinance that the city would rely upon regarding its own conduct, as well as the conduct of private third parties. i've discussed this provision with city add my straighter kelly, who cannot be here this morning, but is aware of this provision and said she could fulfill it should the measure pass. i'm sure we will be working together to ensure that whatever ordinance passes marries these
principles and acknowledges the real world before us. with that, i'm here to answer questions and concerns, but i'm hoping that the committee can adopt this second, final draft today and move it one step closer to the november ballot. i want to thank my staff, lee hoeppner, who has immersed himself, as well as the co-sponsors, supervisors yee, cohen, kim, safai and fewer and i want to acknowledge the city attorney's office. there's been a number of deputy city attorneys who have worked on this, margarita gutierrez, paul zareski, john givner and the city staff who participated in its crafting, jackie fong, linda gurl and her staff as well as the m.t.a. that provided invaluable input. with that, collegues, i'm happy
to adopt ordinances pursuant to the charter amendment. subsection d defines what personal information is. subsection e is the actual policies engaging with and informing individuals likely to be impacted by the collection, storage, sharing or use of personal information, ensuring that personal information is collected, stored, shared, use pursuant to a lawful purpose. allowing individuals -- access information about them. solicit informed consent to the collection, storage and sharing of personal information, the discouragement of the collection, storage, and use of information that may identify a person's race, religion, creed, sexual orientation, age, physical or mental disability or
other potentially sensitive information. subsection 6 is about deidentifying data sets. section 7, adopt policies for requests of personal information from government entities. the list goes on relative to retention and securing of data and then subsection f, as i discussed earlier, requires the city administrator to prepare an ordinance, though it does not bind the board of supervisors relative to the adopt or amendment of said ordinance. i think that encapsulates it. >> supervisor safai: thank you. any members of the public wish to comment on this item, please come forward? we'll take public comment now and then we can ask additional?
if any of members of the committee have any additional questions. >> yes. good afternoon. i'm peter muirfield, executive members of library users association. i went while this meeting was in session to the clerk's office to get the file and got the first draft. i'm very disappointed to hear what seemed like a lot of changes and i just asked here for a copy and was in consideration of the first draft. >> supervisor safai: okay. >> so i'm rather concerned about the procedural matters here. let me start out by saying that i very much appreciate the concern about privacy, that this appears to represent. and the motivations for putting it forward. i think privacy is extremely important and certainly in the
library it's important. so i'm very glad it's been taken up and being considered. from the first draft which is all that i had a chance to briefly review, there are some concerns that i would have with respect to who is doing the evaluation. where the definitions of what is personal information which in general terms seems restrictive and not broad enough and where the information would be disclosed. i would like to see it, as well as the public. and who carries out the policy. currently it looks like mostly the departments will continue to carry out the policy. i'm also concerned with a matter of amending the sunshine ordinance, which i haven't studied in terms of its intent or its scope. let's take the library as an
example, the library is not saving when it has a number and book tag. the availability of that is a problem and if it -->> supervisor safai: thank you, sir. if you would like to submit something, please do. any other members of the public wish to comment on this item? seeing none, public comment is closed. supervisor yee? >> supervisor yee: i wanted to thank supervisor peskin for bringing this amendment forward. as you know. i was able to create legislation around emerging technology at the beginning of the year, which there was a task force created
to look at how to deal with emerging technology in the future and whether it should be an office that deals with recommendations and anticipating what we might see, rather than dealing with new technology and the matter of something happens and reacting to it. and one of the principles we have put in that legislation as a guiding principle has to do with this particular item and so i am very happy that supervisor peskin is putting this forward to strengthen that principle we had in that legislation, which is around the whole issue of how do you share information and the privacy to information.
so thank you very much. >> supervisor safai: supervisor s stefani, anything? this will continue one week. >> supervisor peskin: to the individual that commented, there was concern expressed that this would undermine the sunshine ordinance and i wanted to be very clear that subsection i says that any changes to a voter-approved ordinance cannot be inconsistent with the purpose or intent of that voter approved ordinance. so the purpose of subsection i is to give the board of supervisors the ability to strengthen existing voter approved ordinances consistent with the privacies of the city as adopted by the voters. >> supervisor safai: we always have the clause about anything inconsistent with other sections. so that's very important. thank you for adding that. we don't want to undermine any other great work that's been
done prior. >> supervisor peskin: correct. and to the committee members, this is an overarching statement of policy that will be heard around the state and the nation. in and of it envelope, the meat is the deliberations that we have with licenses, contract, entitlements and the things that the city grants a benefit in that we want to limit or prohibit and that would be the result of our work with the city administrator's office. >> supervisor safai: great. okay. let's make a -- i think we can take a motion to accept the amendments proposed by supervisor peskin without objection. those amendments are accepted. and we don't need to make a motion to continue it for one week, do we? we will continue it for one week to the july 16 special rules committee meeting and take a final vote on that to meet the deadline. thank you, supervisor peskin,
for your hard work, along with staff and everyone else. >> supervisor peskin: thank you. >> supervisor safai: any other items before us today? >> clerk: that concludes our business for today. >> supervisor safai: okay. we are adjourned. - working for the city and county of san francisco will immerse you in a vibrant and dynamic city that's on the forefront of economic growth, the arts, and social change. our city has always been on the edge of progress and innovation. after all, we're at the meeting of land and sea.
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>> president cohen: good morning, ladies and gentlemen. welcome back to the party. this is budget and finance committee. let's get ready to have a good time. let's get ready. sfgov tv, thank you very much. want to thank jesse larsen and michael baltizar, assisting us with the broadcast. our clerk is linda wong. give her applause. [applause] she is incredible. she helps to keep us focused and on time and she -- if there is a supplemental, she adds it to the file. she's on top of her job. i'm compliments. i'm budget and finance subcommittee. i'm malia cohen, and to my right, sandy fewer and catherine stefani. we're ready to rock on. madam clerk, can you call item 1? >> clerk: ordinance approving contra