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in each direction. we have buses on clipper cove, but there's a center turn lane. as you move further east, we won't have that lane. so the street section narrows down. in testimonies of the promenade itself, we have the question of mid-block crossings. we work with m.t.a. on it. they would prefer to concentrate pedestrians crossing it dedicated controlled intersections and crosswalks rather than adding additional mid-block crossings. there are moments there to celebrate, people can come together, take in the views, this is one example where people might be able to get closer to the water, places for people to sit. and enjoy views of the marina and the cove. in other locations that are not on the street access points, it
may be smaller overlooks for smaller groups to gather and have a respite. the retail street is located just one block east from building one. it's a one hone-block street th not a through street. it's the center of urban, vibrant life. it's people coming together, lined with retail. there is is a place where a mid-block crossing is warranted. we imagine there will be so many people crossing the street midway through and there will be limited traffic volumes here. so it's a good opportunity for that mid-block crossing. there will be limited parking and limited loading zones. instead of parking, we'll have places that you see around the city, where we have taken over the parking zone and adding places for people to sit, congregate, hang out, get a sandwich, or maybe just wait for people shopping.
this is very generous pedestrian zones on either side of the street itself. it gives you a sense of the character. there will be tree lines. there will be multiple groups and higher quality of paving, lighting, and general, overall activity levels. and moving on to building 2 and 3, buildings 2 and 3 are the historic hangar buildings, east of the retail block we were talking about. there are two primary open spaces. one is a plaza that's on the west side of building 2. and one is the parking lot, which is the surface parking lot between buildings 2 and 3. we've always been inspired by these buildings.
they're grand gestures. and so we need some surface parking around the area, but we should design it to a level that corresponds to the grandeur of the buildings. there will be opportunities to block off the parking lot and have events and festivals like the flea market. and so we really were inspired by this relationship with the hang hangar buildings to the china clipper. it was an opportunity to do something interesting on the surface of this parking lot so people can see when there's special events. so we celebrated the connection between buildings 2 and 3, making sure we have a clear, safe pedestrian path to travel between the two buildings. and we would like to have a life-size stencil of one of the china clippers in the parking lot, the airplane form that you can see here. there will be large shade trees to bring down the scale of that
space. th this gives you a look at what that may look like. about the treasure island shuttle stop, illustrated here. along california avenue, we have the shuttle. what we want to be sure, when the shuttle is stopping and pulling over that we get the bicycles around them safely. california has bike lanes it and two travel lanes and turn lane in the middle. this is an enlargement of what this configuration will look like. so we're bringing the bike path around the shuttle stop. the shuttle will stop, let people out. they will have a safe moment to cross and then get into a pedestrian zone. that's one of the developments. there will be shuttle shelters that will make sure that we're going to protect people from the elements. also be visible so they're safe and also want to be sure that they're made with materials that
will last over time. and for building 2 open space, the plaza west of the building will be a flexible open space. we're not sure of the building program yet. it may be a grocery store. but we want to allow events and special activities happening, a promenade that connects from building 2. it's a flexible plaza space in a grove of trees. it gives you an idea of what the character of the space might be. the trees you can see may look gnarly to you. that's because they're olive trees that are existing on the island that we're going to transplant and move into the plaza space. there are about 26 trees. if you are out there right now, you may see that we have some ribbon or tape around the trees to make sure that they're protected so we can move them and celebrate their history. east side commons -- i'm getting close. i know i'm close to the 20
minutes. the east side commons is what connects people in the east side neighborhood and the retail core of the development and intermodal hub. it's intended to a be a long, linear parkway that has a grand alley of trees and pedestrian promenade on the side and what we're imagining in each of the blocks will have its own, special character. for the first three blocks, the first will be an entry plaza, welcoming you to the neighborhood, to the space. the second will be a playful space for people of all pages. and then the third block, a dog park. i'm a little -- i turned your orientation here. on the right side, that intersection that bulling 2 --
building 2 is right across the street. if they're coming here, they have a welcoming plaza, with a piece of sculpture that draws people in and flexible space for people to hang out and alleys and trees that will run along both sides. one of the things that we've been working on is making sure we have dedicated pedestrian paths. that's a revision, an improvement that we've made along. and it's hard to see there. you can see there's dedicated pedestrian paths separate from bicycles. and then moving it the second block, the swing space. we're imagining this a playful place for people of all ages. there are people that have swing
elements and also with glider benches. i don't know if you remember those. i feel like i had that growing up and there were people to congregate and sit in this informal place that people can move through and hang out. and then, lastly, the dog park is not just a place for dogs, but a place for people as well. and so, again, the promenade runs along both sides of the spaces. theres a community gathering space in the muddle. dogs and people tend to be social and there's a small dog area, social area, and longer area for dogs. people take their dogs that need to get exercise. within the dog park, there will be places for people to sit,
rest and socialize. the intersections that -- it's really important. you can imagine that people will spend the day going through this. so we want to be sure that it's safe for everybody. even though the streets that are bisecting that are very narrow in character and want to make sure that the crossings are very special and deliberate about how the pedestrians are crossing, bikes are crossing, so you see the bikes cross on a different crossing than the pedestrians. and then it's a raised traffic table that will signal to cars that they should slow down because there will be pedestrians crossing. and there's another intersection that we've been looking closely at, along california avenue, building 2, and where east sealed commons starts. this intersection, avenue d in
california, will be signalized and we'll have a designated bike phase for this. pedestrians will move from the retail streets and building 2 up to the east side commons. so it will be an important pedestrian movement. and the bikes that are moving to the east will have the opportunity to either go up and into the east side commons or move further east on california avenue to a dedicated bike lane. and bikes going westbound, have a dedicated, two-way facility.
almost there, guys. this is a 5 h-acre park, and it surrounds the sailing center. it's at end of california avenue. it's from the open space master plan. at that point in time, there was high-level programs to consider improving, waterfront promenade, lawn spaces, and picnic group areas. it gives you a sense of where that space is if you are relating it to this. we're looking forward it meeting with them in a couple of weeks. we thought carefully about how we can design the place to be flexible. it will have an opportunity for
outdoor classrooms. promenade is up around clipper cove and around, overlooks, potential for restroom and cafe. and on the south -- west side of the sailing center and wraps around 2nd street in a two-way cycle track facility. we've located a way not to block views of the bay bridge. taking in the wonderful views. people to can have picnics and gather, plantings, places for people to sit and socialize. the intersections around here are important, especially the sailing center traffic. there is a sailing center drop-off area. as that two-way cycle activity
wraps around clipper cove that we prioritize that dropoff area and the children walking across that. and there is less interface. another improvement that we've mentioned is making sure that on 2nd street there's a dedicated cycle activity that doesn't conflict with the shuttle and so we have dedicated pedestrian crossings and so it's a safe interface. last but not least, there's a significant stormwater treatment guard than treats all stormwater on site in the area adjacent to the sports field. it's a 21-acre site. it's from the open space plan. there was 21 acres then. there are 21 acres now. we've studied that to make sure that the sports fields will be able to fit in the space and
were able to accommodate that with the p.u.c. it will not just be a functional space. it will be beautiful. it's a place where people can walk around, enjoy the gardens. there will be pathways through, stormwater treatment, overlook areas. you can see that the stormwater treatment areas will be slightly depressed, so you will have a view from above and we realized in studying this, that the views down into the garden are important and so we decided that it's a beautiful place to make sure that people will see. it might be seasonal. so there could be flowering patterns that occur and also support bio diversity and habitat. okay. i think that's it. thank you very much. >> president tsen: thank you. it wasn't boring at all. it is very exciting to see what is about to be for treasure
island. and i've always said, what a privilege it is. i'm sure you feel as a landscape architect to have this opportunity that comes only once in a lifetime, if you're lucky, to be able to design these new parks in a new neighborhood for san francisco. and really it's the public realm that's most important for us as treasure island development authority, as a governmental agency, what our purview is and concern is is that the public areas, gardens, open spaces are magnificent and meet the needs of residents and visitors that will come to the island. there is much to talk about, because we haven't seen you for a while. lots of questions, i'm sure, that we have.
the bicycle lanes and that has really, really improved. much better than they have been. i've ridden bikes with my family, vancouver, seattle, san francisco, of course, and even copenhagen, which is the model that should look at as well as being a bicycle city. it's so wonderful an treasure island because it's fairly flat and we have the opportunity to make it.
how does one from the ferry terminal, how do they then bike around the island? i say this because what we hope for are bicycle paths that are able to be used by children up to grandmas and grandpas. that's what you see in copenhagen. you see children. you see 80-year-old women doing their grocery shopping on their bikes. it's because they've really given it thought, protecting the bicycles from the traffic and
making to safer for people to bike. my husband grew up an inner city child. he never knew how to ride a bike until he met me. now that he's retired, he's looking for the opportunities because he didn't bike as a child. it's quite daunting to go on the streets of san francisco where there is no protected bicycle path or where there is not clear demarcations. >> i would be happy to. kate, can you pull it back up?
>> okay. so you can focus on the gold line that are around the plan. that highlights the dedicated, protected, class 1 bicycle facilities. so i can make just walk us through a couple of scenarios. i think maybe we'll start here at the school. we know that children's safety and bikes is of most importance. if anyone, a little child is coming from school and needs to get to the ferry, there is this separated bicycle path in the gold that they could follow and that will take them essentially through the sports fields, by
the farm. that runs along the path. so that's off the street. and then they will have an opportunity again to go on the east side park and then around the sailing center and, again, this is all protected, two-way cycle track facilities on the west side of the sailing center and then down clipper cove and then they have to cross one street here to get on to the ferry. and vice versa, coming from the ferry, they can get off here at the plaza here and get in a dedicated, two-way cycle track facility. if they want because faster riders might want less interface with pedestrians. that loops them around the back side of the park and it's uninterrupted all the way around the island. >> president tsen: how long --
from the school to the ferry, and it's how fast you bicycle, but have you estimated what the average time would be? >> it's a 15-minute walk from the ferry out to here, so i would guess bicycle time is about half of that. >> president tsen: is there a reason why there's not an extension in the middle? you can see the -- >> those are bike lanes, dedicated bike lanes, along avenue c. it's the same for california east. we're really imagining that people if they're going to the ci cityside neighborhood, the preferred route for me is that i would be want to be waterfront or away from the cars. so there are so many opportunities, you can be along the water, you can be along the
side of the park in a dedicated facility, or you can be in the shared public way. i'm not very fast bicyclist, the last place would i go would be avenue c. there are some people that like to ride in bike lanes on the streets. there are many options for people to get to that neighborhood. >> president tsen: my second question has to do with the shared common street. it's a really great idea. you had to work really hard to get agencies to accept the idea that it would be a shared right-of-way. can you show us where that is? and i'm mentioning it, because the first affordable housing projects will be on that street. and the idea of the shared street is very much to have it be an active street.
and i am worried about the ground floor uses along that shared street, what they're going to be. and maybe that there's a possibility to activate them in an enterprise opportunity zone. and somehow work arrangements if the street-level uses are active. right now, they're not designed to be so. i've seen some of the proposals. and i'm just curious. would you show us where the shared street is? and what is the thinking in terms of the uses, you know, for the ground level of the streets. the shared ways, north-south between the city side neighborhood. there's one right here. and then there's a second one right here. and my boss is coming to tell
you more about this because this is his baby, so i will let him. >> good afternoon, commissioners. kevin conger, cmg. as pamela was saying, the shared public way is the blue lines at the middle of the block. i'm familiar with the developments that are being worked on and i've met with the architecture teams to explain to them the concept of the shared public way as a social street, an active core for that neighborhood and they were quite excited about that idea and i believe were working on making adjustments for the plans for the projects to be able to engage, fully engage, and do everything they can. each of them have different constraints and parameters that they're working on, but i had a high level of confidence that it would be positive contributions to the shared public way.
>> president tsen: they're excellent designers, but we need to make sure that our objectives are clearly outlined. there seems to be an opportunity with the private investment coming to perhaps create the retail, along that street level, whether that can work with the affordable housing or not. it remains to be seen. but it's something that i would like to raise later for the staff to explore. there's many other questions that i have, but i want it have the other directors have a chance to make their comments. i would just say that it's a wonderful program. all of the -- the water treatment is cutting-edge, the different characterizations of different neighborhood parks is
great. i still think that the streets are too wide. i know that you have to respond to the fire department, but i think that mission bay is an example of streets that are far too wide. and we are an island. i think that we can make the character of this island much more intimate if we don't have the wide streets. and the answer to that, if you see in europe, is that they have smaller fire engine vehicles, which can navigate narrow streets and maybe that's something that should be thought of. streets of that width, 12 feet, what is the widest, california? and then you include on that street parking lanes.
it becomes a very wide boulevard and i have concerns about that. i've stated that from the beginning. i feel narrow streets create a more intimate feel. i will leave it at that for now and call on my other directors, ms. richardson. >> director richardson: thank you. great presentation. we were having a great time looking at the slides. so doing well. i like the emphasis on intersections. we know from the conversation that came about and i'm looking through all the slides and how you have dealt with them in all the areas. my question has to do -- and i raised this before, the
signalized intersection. and i was looking at your diagram. the issues i have is basically what i have now. i don't want just another anotaiton. san francisco mainland is heartbrok heartbroken. we're having accidents by people that are disabled, visually impaired, seniors. and also implications with what we're talking about, commissioner tsen is talking about, with the wider street. how are we treating this? i don't want to just have a signalized intersection, but something that we can have because the technology is there that can be there to help
facilitate the crossing of, you know, for the a.d.a., especially the visually impaired. i have not seen that. i can't find that here. maybe you can guide me. those intersections are central to just about everything. when you get to that point, how you are able to navigate and, again, for those that are pedestrians that have restrictions visually or impaired. how can we treat -- what do we need to add to be able to have that? and the reason i'm asking all this is ours is a significant
development. everyone is really paying attention and we should be able to let people know that we thought about things that other people did not think about. it's really beyond what most of the development in this area. but if we're able to think even at the level of having that a.d.a. component in there and being able that show that, it sets a precedent to all the other subsequent development that will come there. we thought about this. we're building it. and we want people to follow that. i will let you answer that or for my comments. >> sure. i would start with that many of the things that i was sharing with you in terms of how the
intersections are designed is out cutting-edge. we're working with a transportation engineering firm and incorporating innovative ideas and things that you don't see around the city of san francisco quite yet. they're cutting edge. and some of those include in the intersection design separating out the crossings from where there's bikes and accessibility coordinator is pushing. i don't know if you have met dpw's accessibility coordinator, but worked with him and mayor's office on accessibility. so we vetted these designs with those groups that obviously have that on the fore front of their thinking separating the crossing is something we're doing and that's been in development since the
street master plan. we're making the raised crosswalks different paving materials. so that signals that that cars need to be aware. we've included bulb-outs in the street scapes. what they do is it makes the crossing distance shorter for the pedestrians. there are bulb-outs all the way around the island that makes the crossing distance less. that's a handful of the strategies, but we've been pushing the boundaries of what you would see. >> >> director richardson: i realize that. and compare to the may version, noting that.
let's go the extra miles. it's technology that we can introduce that may be a solution to that. and a fundamental discussion is taking place all the time has to do with the firetrucks and for other developments in the city, where people have to intervene, to really try to negotiate and the fire department maintains they need the wider streets. it's a compromise. in san francisco, you can tell. some of the streets are boulevard and boulevards, they don't make any sense or makes it even difficult for pedestrians
that are impaired to cross. lastly, with any development, we should have garages. it really is -- 95% of people coming to the island will be coming by transportation. they're significant. they have retails. you have to accommodate for the users to do that. or even sometimes, families that are coming -- we're going to have buses and whatever. not encouraging everybody to use it, but the users, the certain dedicated users that to them will be very significant to the
operations. thank you, again, and go and, you know, help with the signalized intersections in addition to the great work that we're already doing. thank you. >> director dunlop: thank you. i really appreciate the time, effort. it's incredible to see how it's come from three, four years ago to today, which of course, it's a long process. i'm appreciative of coming here and hearing people say, well, you know, you should have put that there. it's really great that we are listening to the public and it's a process that really starts
with the public and moves up and i'm very grateful about that. and this isn't a complaint or anything, but first, the street-naming thing, which i'm sure drives everybody crazy, because there are so many people, great people, in san francisco. we've wouldn't be able to have enough streets to name. one really unique thing about treasure island and living on treasure island is a number of different communities there. it's the people that are there from many, many different communities throughout the world. and so i -- it would be nice if some thought -- and i'm sure it has, but be put into that, too,
into naming and, therefore, making a place for the different communities that are on treasure island. it's a unique place. san francisco itself is a city of so many different communities. treasure island is like that times five in a tiny, little space. it's wonderful and unique and i think some communities would really appreciate -- you might ask, who from wherever would you like memorialized on a street? if that's possible. the historic group has done so
many great things and are wonderful, but the present right now is a very exciting part of the island, i think. i want to make a quick mention. i was around when mission bay was worked on and i have to say, the redevelopment commission. and the idea of the big, grand boulevards was like houseman from paris and those really wonderful streets that also included people because you go down the street boulevards there and it's lots of activity. you can really overkill that. and so you can make it so it
really is not enough activity there. maybe there will be someday. and maybe we've learned some lessons. anyway, a little -- so the dog park. gosh, i love that. dog parks. i love dog parks. i love dogs. my dog is probably the most spoiled dog anywhere. it seems to me the success or failure of the dog park is, a, keeping it comfortable for people. and it's so wonderful that you have that in your plan and there's one in new york that i really love.
it's on 5th avenue. it's great. it's a dog park and there are benches and all of these wonderful places for people and trees and beautiful. when they fail, it's the failure of signage. you would think that people would, of course, come with a dog bag and that their dogs would have all the shots. but i think people don't and sometimes are not courteous. sometimes it's lack of signage. another lack of dog parks is that it can be a place where people find out where they can get free or low-cost shots and
it's a great benefit. i've never seen anybody walk the bridge from oakland to the island. and yet the pathways there seem to indicate both pedestrians and bikes. i've biked on a lot of bridges. it's really fun to go blasting. and especially because there just aren't that many people. is it almost 2 miles? i don't know if it's too late to rethink that, but to be more
bike-oriented and less pedestrian. that might not be feasible or reasonable, but thank you so much for all of your work on all of these things. thank you. >> president tsen: thank you. mr. samaha. >> director samaha: i think mark dunlop promenade sounds good. [laughter] thank you for all your great work. i think the venues for large events -- treasure island has historically been known for large events. the flea market. and for 10 years, the treasure island musical festival, which this weekend is happening in oakland, but it's still called the treasure island music festival. it really bugs me.
i know they can't do it this year because of the work on the island, but could you point out to me, i know we talked a lot about the building 2 open space can you show me where we could hold the events? >> sure, i would be happy to. and, bob, feel free to jump in. bigger events can happen out in the sports fields. there could also be events in
eastern shoreline park. and then building 3, it may be something for the flea market. i think building 2 plaza would be smaller. so that's like a maker's fair or something a little bit smaller. >> director samaha: like a farmer's market? >> yes. and it would be complementary to the grocery store there. there's a handful, but there are 300 acres of open space. so there are a lot of different options and scales. >> director samaha: to attract people to the island, i would like it for it to be feasible to access our retail and spend money on the island and have ease of movement without having congestion that we would have with hundreds of cars coming on to the island. >> and the other one i would add is building one plaza on the west side of the building. it would be convenient to people
coming on and off the ferry. >> director samaha: it's a great history and i would like to maybe have the festival return to the island. so some thought about how that could be done. thank you. >> president tsen: ms. lai? or anthony -- >> i wanted to comment on the festivals we've hosted in the past. because of the undeveloped nature of the island so an event of the trueasure island music festival -- do you have that part of the park? >> yes. let me go to the plan. >> it had a footprint that
occupied three entire blocks of the city side park. and hosting an event of that magnitude would be more difficult in the future. things like oracle world or the treasure island music festival, something of that scale, would be to turn the recreation fields over to an event like that. the parks and open space, there are many acres of open space, it was meant to be more on the scale of individuals working on those spaces as opposed to large, block after block, would be dedicated to a large event like that.
>> president tsen: so treasure island music festival could no longer fit in this plan we have? >> i don't think we will be able to host an event of that scale in the future. >> how will we generate revenue? >> those don't generate a lot of revenue. >> president tsen: kevin, do you want to add? >> i will not contradict mr. beck. i'm smarter than that. the design of the open space is about scaling. there are small human spaces.
it's a 20-acre park out here in the sports park. the t.i. music festival fits on about three blocks out here. it would fit out here. as we know from the festivals that happen in golden gate park, these lawn areas work great for big music festivals. you can set up multiple stages and there are bathrooms there and those types of things. so we have plenty of different scaled spaces for different scaled events. it will be a matter of working it all out. >> president tsen: okay. that's a wonderful point to keep in mind. >> director richardson: bottom line, we would be able to have that? >> we have the space for it, yes. >> director richardson: for the music festival. that's what treasure island is known for. >> and the issues of, how do you work it out with the local neighborhood concerns and noise.
we have the space and the infrastructure. >> that's great. >> director lai: before i go into my questions, i will piggyback off of this conversation about festivals. this is maybe more of a question for bob. i know that we haven't really hosted the dragon boat festival for a while. will that be a possibility in the future? >> we'd have to meet with them to discuss their needs. even with the smaller marina footprint, they indicated that they with not fit. i don't know if it's feasible. we inquired if it would be feasible to have a race car on the eastern shoreline parallel to the length of the park. so that would be one we'd have to look at. that, again, is an event that draws about 25,000 people each
day of the event the last couple of years that we had it. that is a large volume of people on the shoreline to witness an event like that. and, again, would probably be more compatible with the eastern shoreline than clipper cove because of the closeness of the roadway and hangars to the waterfront. it doesn't give a lot of space to host the event. something we could look at. >> director lai: a couple of questions about open space. i think this great there's a lot of different scale of faces. that is interesting. i like the mix and range of the planned furniture. i think that's great to have leaning furniture, not just seated furniture. is lighting part of your scope of work?
is that in the next phase? >> it's included in this phase. we have lighting designers on our team. all the streets have lighting for p.u.c. standards. >> director lai: is the lighting going to be standard, whatever we use in san francisco or are we designing specialized lighting for treasure island? >> we're using p.u.c.-approved mix -- fixtures for the streets. there are other areas that are a little more special with retail. in the park spaces, they're primarily more pedestrian-scaled as well. so those are unique. that's another layer of added character between them. >> i'm not sure how this works, but i would think that the lighting is a good opportunity to celebrate the unique environment of treasure island.
if cost is not an issue, i would think we should explore the specialty lights around the promenade or something. i notice there are allocated space for swings. are there any play structures? >> there will be in future phases of eastside commons. >> director lai: and you mentioned sports fields. are there any other sport courts, tennis courts, basketball courts? >> it's a possibility in the sports area. that's a future phase, so we have not designed or laid them out. we'll want to coordinate with community members and see what people would like to see out there. so i think it's a possibility if
it's included in the range of the sports field areas. >> director lai: this may be a question for bob. we have a lot of open fields and open space. it's not an issue now, but what about helipads for emergencies. have we planned for those somewhere on the island? >> we haven't specifically planned for that in the future land use plan. we routinely conduct exercises with coast guard and others where they're landing helicopters on the island today. it's probably a couple times a year that that happens. it's not something that specifically plan for in the future. >> director lai: i'm thinking, if we have large enough open
spaces that we can accommodate for that. parking lots are not a good spot because it takes a long time to move vehicles if it's being used. but thinking ahead to the nature of the roadways and potential congestion, we might want to think about where we could land emergency helicopters. >> one thing working in our favor with land use plan and open spaces is that all of utilities would be undergrounded. if we have overhead and cable lines, all of that will be undergrounded. other than light poles, as long as it's open space, it should be relatively easy for us to land something. i will talk to the staff that coordinates coast guard events and see what our options might be in the future.
>> director lai: that's great. i know we're planting trees and taller things around the open spaces, too. signalization, great to hear that you are working with other agencies on it. i wonder if you can help me understand we've c, which is a type a street, is only signalized in that first intersection and not west of that. >> that's based on a projected traffic volume. >> director lai: do you know what year or volume they're projecting, using their models
from? >> i'd have to go back and ch k check. >> director lai: and wondering when the next community workshop will be. >> we will be out on island at the board meeting next month in november. and then we'll be coming back here in december. so the next one, i would say, is november. >> director lai: great. thank you. >> president tsen: just couple more questions, since i have the mike. and i'm not one to opine on the tree choices, but i would direct you, because you are thinking of the olive tree grove, to look at the grove that is a grove of
olive trees and they're difficult to sit under because of the droppings from the tree and because the canopy is low. it may be how the trees are maintained, but i would look at that before you plan the olive grove. i don't know if you are using the new zealand christmas tree, but in my 20s, in my neighborhood, got the neighbors together to plant street trees. it was a great community building exercise. but the only street trees that we were allowed to plant on that street because there was a planting map, is the new zealand christmas tree. and now it's 40 years later, they got all the droppings and are more cursed than loved.
so just a note. [laughter] lessons learned. so are there any other questions for pam? any comments? next item, please. thank you very much, very much. >> clerk: item 10. discussion of future agenda items by directors. >> president tsen: none except, bob, i would like it have a report on the enterprise opportunity films, which is a program in its infancy, but allows the ability for private investment and i believe that we are designated. and i would like to have a report on that and also how that might be used either by ticd or