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consideration of policy for new buildings. because otherwise you are going to get sprawl. so, thanks. >> good afternoon, supervisors, corey smith on behalf of the san francisco housing coalition, also in support. i won't really repeat my comments from the last time we gave comments on this but just one added component of the development economics, as you all know it's incredibly expensive to build housing -- or sorry, parking spots, it's expensive to build housing too, but that's a different conversation. we are talking about $75,000 per underground stall. this is a huge, huge cost for home builders to include it. often times we always try to encourage to do bike parking and as many transit options as possible. no-brainer, i think is the word i used last time and reiterating that today.
please support it and move it forward. thank you. >> hello, supervisors, my name is scott feeney. i am mission resident, i'm with -- mobility, also in support of the legislation. i want to thank supervisor kim for writing this and paul chasan for running the meeting, i think it's great work. this accomplishes two great goals for climate action. one by lowering the cost. also enabling us to move away from cars as the default mode of transportation as we grow, we will always have cars but it doesn't need to be the main thing we assume people use most of the time, this is an important incremental step.
i hope you will vote yes. >> we ran an online petition in support of this ordinance where we got 47 people to support, so we would like to thank supervisor kim for providing this important change. i live in a 33-unit building that has zero parking spaces and the reason it is that way, it was built in 1928 when there were no parking minimums. buildings like mine, you could probably technically build them now because the planning code is full of holes, you could say i will put in bike parking racks. or they will force me to have no parking, though they are also requiring me to have parking. this isn't how our planning code should work. it incentivizes. meanwhile people who just have a house where they want to
convert their garage to an a.d.u. say, wait i have to have a parking space, where am i going to put that? they don't know there's a loophole to put in a bike parking space and you don't have to have a parking space. i applaud this of the planning code and this effort to make our cities less car-centric. that's another reason the building was able to be built the way it was in 1928 because cars weren't the thing that they could build at the time. and honestly cities are better for it. thank you. >> good afternoon, supervisors. i hope supervisor safai comes back soon because i want him to hear this. i was actually on the phone with one of his legislative aide's recently and she was telling me how she wants her kids to be able to live in san francisco, and i know a hurdle
for myself and others are housing costs and one of the biggest drivers of housing costs happens to be parking, that's incredibly expensive to build. this is a moment where i feel we need to be politically expedient, we need to be brave and climate leaders by removing these parking requirements from the planning code, of course, this doesn't require developers to not build parking if they so choose. i want to thank supervisor kim for being a leader and bringing this to the board of supervisors and hopefully you will let it get out of committee. so thank you very much. >> good afternoon. my name is ariel fleischer and i'm a senior transportation -- at s.p.u.r., we promote good planning and government in the bay area through education, research and add vo kay sy.
-- advocacy. i'm here to ask you to support. we recommend the elimination of requirements that mandate a minimum number of parking spaces for new development. there is no good reason for the city to force the private market to produce parking spaces for every housing unit built. eliminating will reduce the cost of producing new housing and allow us to use our land more efficiently by replacing spaces for cars for spaces for people. requiring parking to be unbundled from homes in the city's area plab. -- plan. this should be pursued citywide. we urge you to support the legislation to eliminate minimum parking requirements. thank you. >> good afternoon, supervisors. tom, executive director of livable city. we are here to urge you to
support this legislation. as the case was made by paul and the folks from planning, this is an incremental step. not a big radical step. it's an incremental step, a journey that started in 1973, with the opening of b.a.r.t. where the city began to roll back the parking requirements that had been imposed in the 19 50's. the reason we have been rolling them back is a lot of the reasons you heard. they destroy streetscapes and neighborhoods. if you are concerned about green front yards, getting rid of minimum parking requirements is a great way to keep our front yards green, to keep neighborhoods urbane and walkable. process outlines a lot of different ways you could get exceptions for minimum parking requirements but also mentioned by the city attorney, everyone of those as is appealable. so to say you have to seek an exception to do the thing we actually don't want you to do in the first place, we are going to require you to go
through this exception process. it puts you in jeopardy, you could get dragged before the board of appeals by a neighbor or somebody who doesn't like what you are doing. this is much cleaner, much better to say these don't apply. that the parking requirement does not exist. i have never heard any real good arguments for minimum parking requirements. you hear people say it's hard to get around in my neighborhood. my other options aren't that robust. i'm sympathetic with that, i have walked, bicycled, took transit around the city for 30 years. those need to get better. we need to do better as a city. minimum parking requirements aren't the way to do that. if they were going to do that they would have done it sometime in the last 60 years. we need to invest in sustainable --
>> good afternoon, supervisors, my name is john paul, i'm with livable city and a resident of district 5. i'm here to voice my support in eliminating minimum parking requirements. i believe, as paul mentioned, over the weekend with the climate report released by the white house, we can't stress enough this city has to do everything it can to curb emissions and i believe this policy helps us pave the way to do that. i was very fortunate my employer allowed, or provided the masks when we had the terrible davis smoke here in the city. i don't think everyone had that option. but my point there is that transportation emissions in california is not decreasing and i believe with taking away minimum parking requirements we would take a step towards
getting to a point where we don't need to be relying on our cars. it really allows us to focus on our other transportation modes that we should be focusing on and not ignoring any more. again, i voice to support this motion. thank you. >> greetings, supervisors. great to be here. i'm tamika shinya. with livable cities. grateful for livable cities for educating not only the world but our staff in terms of having a livable city and coming to meetings like this to represent that importance and also echoing with my colleague and the gentleman in terms of the last few weeks of the weather and how it basically
we have an easy opportunity to start a conversation about the use of single-car ownership and how much that actually creates enormous amounts of emission for our state and the majority of our emissions are coming from vehicles. i do urge all of our leaders to take up this conversation and be the first major city here in the united states to remove the minimum parking requirements and start a dialogue how each community can make a sacrifice. towards the greater good and a climate we can all continue to live in. and i want to end on a note that i am from district 10, specifically the baby. so i very much appreciate how vital driving a car can be to
maintaining a job and life with children and i appreciate this is going to propel us to have those -- [bell ringing] >> good afternoon, supervisors. i'm ellis rodgers a quarter century resident of district 6 and i'm the board president of walk san francisco. walk san francisco strongly supports this legislation and hopes it will unanimously pass out of this committee with a favorable recommendation. this is a triple win for people from san francisco and you can use the land for specific basis if parking is not needed the sponsor can opt for more favorable public-serving
amenities and also as has been said dramatically lowers development cost for projects that are not parking dependent and lower price which is is critically needed. finally, when parking is not fundamental to the project use, it encouraging project users to use habits more sustainable and walking and taking advantage of transit which we already invest in heavily and use shareable options. stim to the legislation would have a net effect of conflicts improving the likelihood it will achieve our vision and goals. and as a greater percentage of people opt for getting around via other than single-family
vehicles, we will reverse the unhealthy air quality now pervasive in too many neighborhoods. as others have said, now, every san franciscan knows what it's like to live in particle-laden air. some of us live adjacent to freeways and major arterials. >> thank you. >> good afternoon. i'm karen allen a 24-year resident of noe valley and have children and two cannot afford to live in sfrans -- san francisco and the board president of livable city and support removing parking minimums and not only should you eliminate parking minimums, but you should think ahead to the future when autonomous cabs, autonomous private electric cabs
will make a lot of car use not necessarily anymore and there'll be a lot of parking we don't need. any parking built in my opinion, should be designed with a view to be able to be repurposed for housing or some other useful use in the future. thank you. >> good afternoon, supervisors. my name is jeff and i'm a d9 resident and here in support for removing minimum parking requirement. i want to reiterate the points brought up by other commenters as well as the planning commission this is a small step that makes a huge impact in the united states as the major city of san francisco it's sort of a beacon of hope for the rest of the city and the rest of country looks to us in terms of moving forward and being proactive against climate change and the health of the world, the global
climate and everything like that so san francisco can make a huge impact by having a small policy change here and i support it. thank you. >> good afternoon, supervisors. my name is jody maderis of walk san francisco. we're the 20-year-old pedestrian advocacy organization. i am here to strongly support this important amendment to amend parking minimums in san francisco and would like to express my thanks to supervisor kim and all the work she's done to bring this to this committee and i'm hopeful we can get this out of committee and bring it to the board soon to continue her legacy. and i also want to second that with supervisor kim to say, yes, i want to be the first major city in the united states and lead the way for the environmental smart policy.
it's important as you heard from what we ed -- experienced last week. it's a transit-first city and transit love first policy are and resonates with walk san francisco. i feel as an organization we do need to support this because we do need to start putting our chips in with the transit, walking and biking for us to be a real transit-first city and a vision zero city to eliminate traffic fatalities by 2024. we heard from you all at the last committee meeting you wanted us to do further outreach so walk san francisco with our allies and community partners, some you've seen here today, did additional outreach through our constituents and you should have [record scratch] received 50 support signatures and sure you received more from other advocacy groups. in closing i hope you support
this and pass this out of committee today. thank you very much. >> good afternoon, supervisors. howard stressan for the sierra club. i'm happy to be here to urge you to correct the mistake that is over 50 years old. in the '50s we passed minimum parking requirement and they say we need more parking and then there's too much congestion and now we're finally waking up. none of my neighbors are not here to say it's too early. no one is here to say they need their parking spaces and that's great you go forward and correct and we can remind them throughout the country, every place with mum -- minimum parking and it was endless.
you don't have to be a don shoop to know this stuff. >> i'm with the san francisco bicycle coalition. i'm here to express our strong support for the planning code amendments to eliminate minimum park requirements citywide. there were concerns brought up by supervisors tang and safai including the need for additional outreach and want to thank the staff for leading the way to host additional meetings to do just that and the legislation is not eliminating cars or making it more difficult to drive in san francisco. the reality is that it's already difficult to drive here. we have some of the worse congestion in the country and really the choices we make as a city lead by you, our decision
makers have already made it prohibitively expensive and difficult to drive in san francisco. given it's irresponsible that further induced demand for driving in our streets when there's congestion and parking already difficult in many neighborhood and transportation costs continue to rise with the region's cost of living. we want to thank supervisor kim for introducing the legislation to bring the parking code to modern day best practices and thanks commissioners peskin and brown for co-authorizing and urge you to move this forward on recommendation from the committee. >> good afternoon, supervisors. i'm robert i live in district 5. i live at paige and fillmore in what used to be a single-family
home. it was built 120 years ago back when there were no parking minimums. as a result instead of a garage there's a one-bedroom flat. if the building were built today we'd be crazy to require a parking space instead of housing. and it's something that we -- parking is something we concurrently allow but not something we should require. i want to read a quote from urban planning professor shoop from luke -- ucla comment. the buildings are the only indicators much park demand and fail to consider a building's location as an equally significant factor. some cities offer reductions in denser urban zones or near frequent transit but they still
do not account n for the ways they effect transportation choice. we heard from people from almost every district in san francisco. we need to eliminate parking requirements or minimum parking requirements. thank you. >> eileen brogan here from what's known as the outside lanes. i'm here with dino. she's a wanna-be dinosaur. she lives in south basin and is here today on her way to the capital planning committee meeting to speak on option 12. unfortunately, the p.u.c. wasn't able to stay at this meeting. regarding this legislation, the majority of the committee is in
the twilight of it's tenure on the board therefore i urge the committee to table the item so the new committee and new board in the new year would have the opportunity to weigh in on this. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. any other members of the public wish to comment? public comment is closed. supervisor safai. >> thank you, chair. i want to put some things on the record. the dates that were chosen for the community meetings, i got a letter from the district 11 council which comprises groups and nonprofits in district 11. the dates chosen were at the height of the air quality as noted in the presentation though that's a good example of the issues we're having with global warning and kept people from coming out. my biggest problem with the conversation is though i fundamentally agree with many points made.
we're talking about parking minimums, this is an important opportunity for those that are not as much on board as the people here today to be involved in the conversation. i spoke with president cohen. she had said her district was not involved in the conversation. i think it presents an opportunity for the planning department and sfmta to have get out and have a real conversation on what the impacts means for our city and what it means for development. i understand and the presentation was well laid out this is not taking away the opportunity for parking though in places like vernal heights that do have parking minimums i know they fought hard to have the parking minimums. it's one of the way they control for the larger sizes of houses. i know it's an important conversation to have and i wish it wasn't feeling like this was being rushed. i think it's being rushed
because it makes sense to the policy makers and planners and those on board with this policy in general but i think there's a lot of education that could go out and i think the city as a whole would benefit from it so i'm not in favor of moving the conversation in a fast way. i would really appreciate regardless of what the outcome in the meeting is today for there to be more outreach and conversation in the community so people understand what this means and what impacts it has and how it can impact the future development of san francisco as it relates to the conversation about the car. i think people are also misinterpreting and confusing the conversation around what this really means in terms of its policy impacts. and i think because of that misunderstanding i'm getting letters of opposition. i have folks asking me not to support this today based on the policy. for myself, it's not about the
policy per se but more about the conversation about what it means and how it will impact san francisco as a whole. those are my comments. >> thank you supervisor kim. >> i want to first address the comment about vernal heights f.u.d. we had search members of the vernal heights review board and they used the parking management to manage the sizes of new houses but the city no longer requires sponsors to add parking in vernal heights. legislation past roughly five years ago that allows anyone in any zoning district including the vernal heights f.u.d. to replace off-street car parking with bike parking. that is not part of the f.u.d. planning did go back to look at the r.h.1 and it's not to be
used for living space which puts additional pressure on space for size and by removing the requirement the space that would have gone to parking can now be counted towards a living space. removing the requirement can actually take away unnecessary parking and allow the proj sponsor to build more usable living space without expanding the building envelope. we had the conversation with those who came and our office is also following up with supervisor ronan and they stated they'd be happy to work with the residents on control if they need to be modified. we know monster home say -- is a concern and they're looking to build as many housing units as possible and not just the
largest homes possible. our office and the planning department did reach out to every single neighborhood and association and merchant association we were given and sometimes supervisors don't respond to us and i'm not sure what to do when that happens we can't guess. if the ordinance would have a larger impact, i would agree we should do more outreach. maybe because i'm coming off the tail of something it's hard to reach for an outreach is that i believe fairly minimum impact in san francisco because we have largely eliminate the minimum parking requirement city wide simply with a myriad of policies that we passed over the last eight years and certainly in allowing people to swap out car parking with bike parking. so this is the path the city has
been moving towards incrementally and so this would just finally make into reality cha -- what has been the policy. it will allow it to move through quickly and decrease the cost of housing and overall a positive for the city and for neighborhoods concern about the loss of parking and future developments i will say that from any experience as a supervisor if the neighborhood or supervisor asks the developer to build the parking, if it is allowed within the development parcel, my guess is the developer will build it and likely not get the support or approval it needs without meeting the needs of the neighborhood and the market should demand how much parking is needed and what i've seen in the district that i represent where we have eliminated minimum parking requirements is developers do continue to build some parking but perhaps not as much as we might have required
in the past simply because they believe the market demands it. if currently midsized project was required to build 13 parking spots, and really only needs nine, there's no reason we should require that developer to build 13 parking spots when that's not necessary. i think what you will largely see in the future is a scenario like that versus a developer building zero parking spots instead of 13. so i will ask the land use committee to move it forward to the full board. i'd like to move it forward with recommendation but would understand because it may be controversial we move it forward without recommendation but i do think the impact of this would be minimum however, the symbolic passage of the policy i think is huge far beyond the limits of our city where i think the impact will be minimal i do think it could have a larger
national ripple effect. we'd be the first major american city to pass the elimination of the minimum parking requirements. and think it's important as we talk about climate change as we fight this trump-denial agenda and show san francisco is a city that puts our residents and housing first over vehicles and parking. colleagues, i ask for your support on this ordinance and hope at minimum we can move it forward to the full board for an up or down vote. finally, i want to thank the members of the public that came today and came to the outreach meeting and wrote letters of support i want to thank those who helped work on the legislation, alice rodgers from the neighborhood association and cathy deluca and the planning department for all their work in the outreach.
>> thank you, supervisor, safai. >> just since you brought it up because i'm actually someone that's worked in vernal heights over there i want to ask a couple questions. so vernal heights no longer has a minimum parking requirement? >> it's still in the code but any required parking space can be substituted for bike parking. it makes that moot. if someone wants one car parked and they're required to have three, they can add two extra bike parking space. -- spaces. >> when was that added to the code? >> i didn't get the act date and we think it's three to five years but i think it's when we added the new bike requirements to the code and as part of that it was brought up at the commission hearing and voted on by the board. >> okay. that was it. >> if i may, vernal heights has
a reduction intend to address monster homes. it's not making the entire point moot it still has mass reduction. >> thank you. and i do want to acknowledge that at the last meeting the last land use committee meeting asked supervisor kim and staff to go out and talk with community moment b -- members. i appreciate you connect and held the meetings despite the challenge of the air quality meeting and holidays. i heard feedback. i know some of the folks you reached out to and were able to attend the meetings i think my whole thing was wanting them to understand what the policy meant, not they objected. i agree with supervisor kim it
will not impact district 4 but as we encourage people to get out of their cars whether it's district 4, 11 or 10, those that traditionally suffer from public trangs -- transportation issues we need to work on that every day and get complaints from residents and it needs to be coupled and residents in 11 and 10 will not want it to get out of their cars and it's a message we say over and over again to sfmta but i want to hone in on the message. for me i think i wanted that outreach done to community members to have the dialogue. if this was a removal of parking maximum i'd have more concerns but it's not and i'm okay with
sending this out of committee and out of respect for others who may want more committee outreach i'd like to send it out without a recommendation and that can continue from now to the board meeting. >> i'm personally committed to outreaching to other neighborhood associations and merchant associations where our office did not get the list in the previous round of inquiries so we'll make that request again today and will have time before the next supervisor meeting to do the outreach and phone calls. we did find that folks that came in initially questioning or opposing the ordinance, once they understand the mechanics of it, realized it would have an minimum impact so walked away neutral or supporting and i want to thank the planning department for spending all the time during the dialogue and outreach because there's fear when parking comes out of the mouth
and the word eye eliminating can also be scary for folks. i do want to agree with supervisor tang as someone who's lived in the sunset and we do need to improve our public transit infrastructure and protected bike lane infrastructure because if we're going eliminate or reduce parking storage and car usage in our city which absolutely should be the policy and direction of san francisco we have do everything we can to make other modes much transit viable in san francisco. i want to support supervisor tang's statement. i want to move this forward without recommendation to the full board and want to thank my colleagues for the supported and additional time. >> and do we need roll call or do it without objection? we'll do it without objection. thank you very much. madame clerk, are there any other items. >> that concludes our business for today. >> thank you, we are adjourned. .
was a restaurant cook started in sxos and went to uc; isn't that so and opened a cafe we have produce from small farms without small butcher shops hard for small farms to survive we have a been a butcher shop since 1901 in the heights floor and the case are about from 1955 and it is only been a butcher shot not a lot of businesses if san francisco that have only been one thing. >> i'm all for vegetarians if you eat meat eat meat for quality and if we care of we're in a losing battle we need to support butcher shops eat less we sell the chickens with the
head and feet open somebody has to make money when you pay $25 for a chicken i guarantee if you go to save way half of the chicken goes in the enlarge but we started affordable housing depends on it occurred to us this is a male field people said good job even for a girl the interesting thing it is a women's field in most of world just here in united states it is that pay a man's job i'm an encountered woman and raise a son and teach i am who respect woman i consider all women's who work here to be impoverished and strong in san francisco labor is high our cost of good ideas we seal the best good ideas the profit margin that low but everything that is a laboring
and that's a challenge in the town so many people chasing money and not i can guarantee everybody this is their passion. >> i'm the - i've been cooking mile whole life this is a really, really strong presence of women heading up kitchens in the bay area it is really why i moved out here i think that we are really strong in the destroy and really off the pages kind of thing i feel like women befrp helps us to get back up i'm definitely the only female here i fell in love i love setting up and love knowing were any food comes from i do the
lamb and that's how i got here today something special to have a female here a male dominated field so i think that it is very special to have women and especially like it is going at it you know i'm a tiny girl but makes me feel good for sure. >> the sad thing the building is sold i'm renegotiating my lease the neighborhood wants us to be here with that said, this is a very difficult business it is a constant struggle to maintain freshness and deal with what we have to everyday it is a very high labor of business but something i'm proud of if you want to get a job at
affordable housing done nasal you need a good attitude and the jobs on the bottom you take care of all the produce and the fish and computer ferry terminal and work your way up employing people with a passion for this and empowering them to learn >> my apartment burned down 1.5 years ago in noba. my name is leslie mccray, and i am in outside beauty sales.
i have lived in this neighborhood since august of this year. after my fire in my apartment and losing everything, the red cross gave us a list of agencies in the city to reach out to and find out about various programs that could help us get back on our feet, and i signed up for the below market rate program, got my certificate, and started applying and won the housing lottery. this particular building was brand-new, and really, this is the one that i wanted out of everything i applied for. and i came to the open house here, and there were literally hundreds of people looking at the building. and i -- in my mind, i was, like, how am i ever going to possibly win this? and i did. and when you get that notice that you want, it's surreal, and you don't really believe it, and then it sinks in, yeah, i can have it, and i'm finally
good to go; i can stay. my favorite thing about my home, although i miss the charm about the old victorian is everything is brand-new. it's beautiful. my kitchen is amazing. i've really started to enjoy cooking. i really love that we have a gym on-site. i work out four days a week, and it's beautiful working outlooking out over the courtyard that i get to look at. it was hard work to get to the other side, but it's well worth it. i'm super grateful to the mayor's office of housing for having this for us. as a society we've basically failed big portion of our population if you think about the basics of food, shelter
safety a lot of people don't have any of those i'm mr. cookie can't speak for all the things but i know say, i have ideas how we can address the food issue. >> open the door and walk through that don't just stand looking out. >> as they grew up in in a how would that had access to good food and our parent cooked this is how you feed yours this is not happening in our country this is a huge pleasure i'm david one of the co-founder so about four year ago we worked with the serviced and got to know the kid one of the things we figured out was that they didn't know how to cook. >> i heard about the cooking
school through the larkin academy a. >> their noting no way to feed themselves so they're eating a lot of fast food and i usually eat whatever safeway is near my home a lot of hot food i was excited that i was eating lunch enough instead of what and eat. >> as i was inviting them over teaching them basic ways to fix good food they were so existed. >> particle learning the skills and the food they were really go it it turned into the is charity foundation i ran into my friend we were talking about this this do you want to run this charity foundations and she said, yes. >> i'm a co-found and executive
director for the cooking project our best classes participation for 10 students are monday they're really fun their chief driven classes we have a different guest around the city they're our stand alone cola's we had a series or series still city of attorney's office style of classes our final are night life diners. >> santa barbara shall comes in and helps us show us things and this is one the owners they help us to socialize and i've been here about a year. >> we want to be sure to serve as many as we can. >> the san francisco cooking school is an amazing amazing partner. >> it is doing that in that
space really elevates the space for the kids special for the chief that make it easy for them to come and it really makes the experience pretty special. >> i'm sutro sue set i'm a chief 2, 3, 4 san francisco. >> that's what those classes afford me the opportunity it breakdown the barriers and is this is not scary this is our choice about you many times this is a feel good what it is that you give them is an opportunity you have to make it seem like it's there for them for the taking show them it is their and they can do that. >> hi, i'm antonio the chief in san francisco. >> the majority of kids at that age in order to get them into
food they need to see something simple and the evidence will show and easy to produce i want to make sure that people can do it with a bowl and spoon and burner and one pan. >> i like is the receipts that are simple and not feel like it's a burden to make foods the cohesives show something eased. >> i go for vera toilet so someone can't do it or its way out of their range we only use 6 ingredients i can afford 6 ingredient what good is showing you them something they can't use but the sovereignties what are you going to do more me you're not
successful. >> we made a vegetable stir-fry indicators he'd ginger and onion that is really affordable how to balance it was easy to make the food we present i loved it if i having had access to a kitchen i'd cook more. >> some of us have never had a kitchen not taught how to cookie wasn't taught how to cook. >> i have a great appreciation for programs that teach kids food and cooking it is one of the healthiest positive things you can communicate to people that are very young. >> the more programs like the cooking project in general that can have a positive impact how our kids eat is really, really
important i believe that everybody should venting to utilize the kitchen and meet other kids their age to identify they're not alone and their ways in which to pick yours up and move forward that. >> it is really important to me the opportunity exists and so i do everything in my power to keep it that. >> we'll have our new headquarters in the heart of the tenderloin at taylor and kushlg at the end of this summer 2014 we're really excited. >> a lot of the of the conditions in san francisco they have in the rest of the country so our goal to 257bd or expand out of the san francisco in los angeles and then after that who know. >> we'd never want to tell
people want to do or eat only provide the skills and the tools in case that's something people are 2rrd in doing. >> you can't buy a box of psyche you have to put them in the right vein and direction with the right kids with a right place address time those kids don't have this you have to instill they can do it they're good enough now to finding out figure out and find the future for >> good afternoon and welcome to the special meeting of the government audit and oversight committee. today is monday, november 26. and