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exploration. it's more than we would -- more acreage than you would operate as kind of community garden type of farms. one of the possibilities is to -- a couple the operation or the management of a significant portion of the agricultural farm with some of the commercial programs and food production operations on the island. so that space might be managed and operated in conjunction, for instance, with a produce vendor that would be in hangar two. so as we develop -- as we work with ticd to develop retail programs for the hangars, we're expecting to contemplate whether or not the agricultural farm would be folded in with some of those opportunities. >> commissioner lai: so something like that we would probably not have a plan in
place during this like spring budgeting exercise? >> yeah. no. we -- you know, the agricultural farm is -- the initial portions of it are probably at least five years away from being realized and so we don't have detailed -- we wouldn't have detailed budget as part of current-year budgets. the first park so come on board will be hilltop park. and that's going to come on board in the fiscal year '21 budget season or budget window. so a year from now we'll be looking at detailed budgets for hilltop park, as part of next year's budget. >> thank you. so let me jump in and again for people that are watching
remotely, why we are engaged in this lengthy discussion, it's very important. the vitality and again the longevity of the treasure island and the yerba buena islands are actually encumbered on the proper maintenance of the 300 plus acres of parks, the largest in the history of san francisco. i think the takeaway -- it's unfortunate that some of our commissioners were not part of that delegation to new york, because the exercise there was to look at signatures, iconic parks throughout the country. what the genesis are, what are the models, successful models that people are utilizing to maintain these parks. parks are extremely very expensive. one of the mistakes that people in san francisco finally realized, when the san francisco
development agency was dissolved, they had created all of these parks. and even as i speak, the city is still grappling with the maintenance of all of those parks. here you have all of these assets, all over the place throughout the city. and we do not know what they're going to look like in 20 years' time and even don't talk about the 30 years. we have the responsibility here at this agency for the maintenance, for some of the spaces, our responsibility. and what we need to do is broaden this, so we're not gephart changing ourself -- we're not short changing ourselves into any models, given again all of the mistakes in san francisco. what i would suggest, we sneed
to engage in an exercise for the administration. we need to create private entities of the administration of this park. we have discussed the c.f.d. option. there are limitations. there are still some holes to plug in there. and again looking at some of the successful models in the country, we will need to engage in those exercises so what are the limitations, what are we going to do to again guarantee the maintenance of these parks. in your presentation, one of the things you mentioned, i want to begin that we have right now, one of the robust developments as part of the treasure island development. the agreement that we have we want treasure island. so we're getting all of the youth and adults, most of them
at-risk, they've been looking at the demolition of the buildings. we need to have a partnership with the unified school district and to see right now how we can have all of these pipelines. we are going to be owning this. and whatever non-profit entity that we create, we have to create an entity. it's mandated that we create an entity for the maintenance. and we need to have a framework, we need to have all of this possibilities where we can at least join san francisco residents to be part of the maintenance of that park. it's cost effective and we're also creating jobs. so i am going to be looking at the development fund. this is the time to start in the
budget, pulling all of these things into place right now. it's right at the corner. so yesterday we need to start that. i know that bob -- this agency has at least been forthright in helping and keeping that ongoing. that is great. all of this other agency that may want to be involved or whatever. i think the primary objective for us is to be able to demonstrate that we're capable and that we've looked extensively into creating an entity to the management of this parks. [ please stand by ]
ahead of us, but these discussions are timely, and this is the best time to have all the is going now, including the budget and what we anticipate, and how we need to proceed from here. commissioners, are there any other suggestions, comments before i ask the public to intervene? okay. questions for those in the audience, any public comment on these items? none. next item on the agenda, please. >> item number 6, on island events. >> jack nathanson, who manages our events booking and events programming on the island is going to give us an overview of some of the historical venues, as well as some of the events
that we have historically had to recur on the island. >> good morning, commissioners, jack nathanson. i'm presenting today. just to get off the brief history regarding events on the island, we will review a venue, by venue, there is a listing of them right there, and we will talk about each one. first, we will talk about the core venue on the island for years, it offered about 4,000 square feet of event space, a full kitchen, it was sort of a wedding factory for us for years and years, at its peak, it generated about a quarter of a million dollars a year in event revenue, as you know, it was deconstructed in 2016 during the
first phase. and right behind it there is the treasure island chapel that we did numerous wedding ceremonies pickett also closed in 2016. the mansion was the home of many events. we had at least to a small events company for four years while they did small weddings on the lawn and receptions inside the building. the bay bridge ramps project, combined with constant construction on the island really makes it, not viable, quite noisy over there, but the facility still stands. and of course, next to there, we had pavilion by the bay, which
was constructed in 2009, in conjunction with one of our tenants, wind valley catering, and numerous social and incorporated events happened at that facility. it was about 86600 square-foot facility. is a semi- permitted tent, and that was deconstructed and removed, at the same time in 2016. we have had the conference centre which was a variety of iterations in the past few years. it was a treasure island event venue with the oasis café, most recently done a lot of -- and currently the location of a processing facility for some of the rock and pavement that's being removed from various parts of the island. we still do have a couple of commercial tenants in the
facility. come butch is made in the kitchen. we have a tea company in there, but it is no longer viable for events. that is a photo of the administration building. there is a lobby dressed up for the event. we still have the ability to do events in the lobby, primarily weekend events. we do not have the ability that we used to of displacing our tenant parking to the chapel lot , which is no longer available to us, but we do still do events in building one a lobby. we have done some filming there, and we plan to continue to do that. that brings us to the great lawn , and i have given you a before and after shots of what the great lawn used to look like. it was about 4 acres of open space, many corporate and social
events happen to there . it has the iconic views of the city that everybody loves, and we still have the same views. it was probably a little less than half the size now. currently managed by a restaurant, and they still promote events they are. there is a photo of circus bella that just wrapped up on the great along last january. so still a viable event venue. a little bit of a tougher cell due to the construction that is happening all around it, but still alive, so to speak,. oracle open world appreciation event happened on the island for about ten years. that was the big concert every year that happened in conjunction with oracle open world. they brought over about 25,000 of their attendees, and about 200-250 buses, and you can see the map of the event. the red line indicates the fence
line that the event would erect, so that entire area was restricted for about six weeks from load in to load out, and the challenge with the event, and the reason it ended is really from a transportation standpoint, you need a smooth path of travel to circulate all those buses in order to prevent major traffic issues on the island, and with the closure, it really became difficult to do, so they have relocated the events to oracle park, which was formally at&t park. i guess it is apt in its current location. for years, we had the san francisco international dragon boat festival, and the closed
caption kind of obscures the footprint. this probably drew the most people to the island over the years. probably about 50,000 folks over the weekend it was a two day event, but it did not start out that way, it definitely built to that. besides clipper cove, the main event area was that area that was the parking lot between building 180 and hangar two. as you know, building 180 was deconstructed a couple of years ago, and that parking lot is no longer available to us. that is a construction area now. they will be getting ready to go through their with geo- traffic and no -- geotechnical improvements in that area. and again, traffic was the issue with all those cars, and the current road configuration really prevents us from safely putting on that event, so it is a lack of space, as well as a
lack of roadway to manage all those cars safely on and off the island. of course, there was the treasure island music festival, which happened for nine years on the great lawn, the last year in 2016, we relocated it to the southeast corner of the island, and again, when the music festival was conceived, i would say 90 to 95% of visitors came over on private motorcoach so the event producer engaged, but with the advent of rideshare, it really shifted, and it became another traffic management issue. when you have that many cars coming on and off the island, you need to be able to route them and circulate them in a way
that doesn't impacts traffic, inconvenienced the residence -- residence and creates safety issues. that really became the dealbreaker for the event with development. treasure festival, formerly treasure island flea market has been an ongoing event since 2011. you may remember it started on the great lawn. we successfully relocated the event to the east side of the island, primarily on avenue n., that event has really grown as well, and that's one that we are really committed to maintaining because the traffic impacts are manageable. it is an event where people sort of flow on and off the island during the day, and although they attract 2500, 3,000 people
a day, there is ample parking, and with the implementation of a solid traffic management plan, we are able to safely, and pretty quickly get those cars on and off the island. we are looking at alternate locations, and alternate designs of the event as we get further into development with the work that's proposed on avenue n., but that's an event that we are committed to maintaining, just as long as we can. we also still have the ability to get creative with some of our space, most recently, we have the college football at half-time championship concert. there's a couple of snaps from there, and on the picture on the left where the crowd is, that is actually ninth street, and the stage was set up. we are able to use the closed portion of roadway to create
this venue where they did the half-time broadcast for the football game, and that was seen by just about 30 million people, so that was some creative use and -- of space, and we will continue to determine ways to keep the island activated in a violent -- and a viable event venue. we have some commercial tenants who still promote their four events. they continue to a great lawn. they do events within their facility, as well as next to their facility on the lawn, which they manage. one area s.f. has found their home in that building, and they still do events in that facility, as well as some of the winery collective outlets that they manage on the island. and then a café, located in the old school building 33 promotes
events as well. they are all fairly successful at doing that. with that, i'm happy to answer any questions. >> thank you so much for this presentation, because the previous conversation -- yes, we do have a lot of questions for you. >> yes, hello. this is a really grateful -- great way for you to turn -- pull it all together to show the types of events we have had it treasure island historically. and many of the event spaces that we did have have now been decommissioned because of the construction work that we will have. have we done an analysis on where these events might occur, large events in the new master plan that we have for treasure island, where there'll -- will
there be spaces that will allow for the large gatherings that we've had in the past? >> i believe there will be spaces, particularly the waterfront park. it looks to me like a great location for events. there maybe some additional hurdles or hoops to jump through in order to do those events, such as with the c.d.c. and getting permitting within a certain area of the waterway, but i think there are opportunities for events to be promoted in those areas. we have not done a formal analysis on them, but that is something we will be looking at. >> as we go forward, especially if we plan our operations and income-generating ideas, event planning and where those events might occur becomes very important. can you tell us, for instance,
when we did not start construction yet, in the years where he had the most events available, what was the income that we would get? >> probably just shy of $600,000 a year. >> i would like to ask, $600,000 a year, and what is now, this coming year, what will be the forecast, given the fact that we've started construction? >> we're going to the budget process now, and we anticipate where the revenues, probably about $250,000 a year in revenue. >> so it has dropped by more than half. >> it certainly has. >> thank you.
>> again, this is really great. here are my suggestions. when fully built, there is no question that treasure island would eclipse the san francisco mainland, so we have a tremendous opportunity here to begin to be very proactive, and what you've given us here is really great to show where we have come from, and where we are going, and where we are going is going to be very complex, and very creative. we have the blessing, treasure island, also to benefit from san francisco tourism promotion. yes, we will have our own specific plan when we engage in the income-generating exercise. what it is, what is the division that we have for treasure island, but what i'm saying here is we also need to begin to pull
san francisco tourism to begin to market treasure island. when you come out with the san francisco airport, at the international terminal, you should be able to see something on treasure island there. it might say works in progress, and all the beautiful drawings and plans that we have, it should be here, in new york. we should have something in there to say that in san francisco -- i mean, this is the time to start doing everything now, and if you work very closely with the san francisco tourism, we know that these folks advertise all over the world. they advertise all over there, they have a budget, and also, they begin working with the hotel industry, all these conventions. sometime some of these big attractions that are going to happen, for instance in 2021,
2022 that planning has started right now, and that is how you go about. because all of the other cities in the world are vying for this now, and so you talk about the medical coal -- medical, convention, this is just a hypothetical. you have to begin now. we are supposed to make treasure island the number 1 attraction to compete with everybody. we will even be competing with the san francisco mainland. we need to start right now. your department, now is the time to look at your budget, and to begin all these exercises, and some of these things, historically that you have mentioned, for instance, we know that the wedding shop, or whatever, right now, but it needs to be moved somewhere. it still has some useful opportunities for us to be able to incorporate past or use of that facility, and to the future here.
so the income generating exercise must have a comprehensive program, and that is where we are right now. we need to begin, not even waiting for the next whoever is going to be on the board to, but we need to help them develop the infrastructure that s., here, that we have at least embarked on a walkable exercise, that we can present to everybody in the city, this is how much we will need to. why am i saying that? it is just like the enterprise agencies. in order for them to become a full-fledged enterprise, sometimes they depend on the city for money, the airport, p.u.c., the ports of san francisco, they are the same. they are self-sufficient. but in order to be self-sufficient, they have dilapidated peers, they have water infrastructure p.u.c., what have they done plot they went to the city and said, we know where we are going.
if you can help us to do this and all of that, this is where it will benefit everybody. san francisco proper is going to benefit from treasure island, so this exercise must begin now where we have supervisors and the mayor, and everybody, so at least they know that us here, are leading everybody into what treasure island's future will become. >> thank you. i am realizing, i didn't completely answer your question on revenues. historically, hangar three, we used for events, and currently have large forces promotional -- commercially least. in whatever cases we can, we look to those former event locations, and repurpose them in terms of commercial leasing, and in that particular case, we have more than made up for lost revenue on events in terms of commercial leasing revenue that we have been able to create. >> okay.
go ahead. >> thank you. i think it's interesting to see all the list of past available venues, but i think what would be more relevant to this conversation is to see currently which locations are still anticipated to be a future event venues, just like more clearly seeing that, and to commissioner richardson's point about tracking it forward, what is your work program anticipating in terms of types of events, and just keeping us informed about whether or not some of these decommissioned events, or venues, maybe coming back online. for example, the whole dragon boat racing thing, i think i've heard a variety of competing anecdotes about it.
i think some people have told me that the organizers don't actually want to come back, some have said that they actually do, so maybe some updates on that front would be helpful, and then in terms of one of the still ongoing events on highlands, is the flea markets. when are we expecting -- are we expecting to be able to continue at -- the flea market through all of construction? >> i don't know that we would be able to continue through all of the construction, but as we speak, we are working on ways to continue for the next several years, anyway. for example, there is some gas line work that will happen on avenue n., so we are working on ways we can refigure the market to use other areas in the proximity of the flea market now there maybe some opportunities
for the flea market in some of the new open space. just because of the nature of that event, it is one that we can -- the producers can be flexible, and they want to be flexible, and it's been a great relationship. that's when we will look to continue just as long as possible. >> i can appreciate that. until we have delivered the open spaces, is probably difficult to have some these conversations with event organizers, because they probably want to see what it is like. as much as you can, if you can tell us where we are in the current time, and what you expect in the future in terms of available venues and events, and then i think there's also this officer's building near clipper curve at -- near clipper cove. is that a venue for events? >> a few years ago, we relocated quarter ten to the top of clipper cove. they are on top of the causeway.
that facility hasn't been programmed yet. it is not occupied. we expect it once the causeway was completed that we will actively lease that building, and there's definitely been some discussion of that being moreau at -- more of a food and beverage outlets. it is not terribly large. i don't know if events are in the cards. that may be what you are a for -- referring to. >> i think it is. one last comment, i want to say that we do appreciate the work that you are doing because beyond just revenue generation, creating events on the written on the venue is really important to the vibrancy of the island, and also bringing in the cultural aspects onto the island, and allowing people to enjoy it, and sort of for the island to stay relevant even though we are going through this massive reconstruction. thank you. >> thank you speak to her. >> thank you. >> i did have one question about
the international dragon boat festival. because of the events here, it drew the most people to the islands island. it was obviously very popular. i am just wondering, as we go forward with our plan for treasure island, is there the opportunity for something like a boat festival, for teams to be the great use of the maritime venue that we have, as well as the land area that is next to the water, that allows for something like the dragon boat festival to occur. is that something that we can attract again once we have gone through construction? >> quite possibly, whether it is a san francisco international dragon boat festival, or another festival, or working in conjunction with the treasure island sailing centre, clipper cove will still be viable, will
still attract people even with the marine expansion. i fully expect to continue to do events out there. i know the sailing centre still does events, and perhaps i should have talked about the sailing centre a little bit as well. they have some regatta events coming up, some of the high schools have teams, and they are always doing races out there when they are in season. i expect we will be able to do some things out there, whether it it's the dragon boat festival or not remains to be seen, but we are interested in exploring all options. >> thank you. >> thank you, again for bringing this. the timing is extremely great, and very important. and we thank you for your excellent work in bringing the event. the successful and emerging trend is having all these multiple -- multicultural events
throughout the country, throughout the world, and i mentioned again, something very important. when can we begin the dialogue with the san francisco tourism and all of this with the airport to quiet even right now, they are starting things again that i want to emphasize. we can pursue this right now. i just mentioned we own the airport, i mean millions of people passed through san francisco airport his. we know the officials down there, i think we need to embark on getting their own marketing going, and having a dialogue with the airport now. go there so we can select some spaces for when you come out of the international terminal, or in the domestic, we have treasure islands they are, and we keep generating, in all of this other stuff, let them see the landscape and the wonders we are generating here. let them see the vision for the
architecture. we are definitely going to have hotels in there, we can begin to do that right now. san francisco, they also have some of these theaters. want to go to the theatre, they have some of these in there, they have the movie houses, why can't we utilize that, they don't need the commercials, they just say treasure island, works in progress. there are many activities we can do, and again, i like to cut through your department, initiate that right now. we can have the tourism come to this commission, and we tell them out of the budget, you need to start filming some video. if we don't tell them, they won't do it. so these are just suggestions. please, take them, and help us to put substance into all of this, and creativity, and this
is the year to begin putting all the pieces together. thank you for your great work. commissioners, any further questions or comments? none. >> i just wanted to wrap up. i mentioned that jack also -- we have other events that are nonrevenue events on the island, particularly fleet week, the 4th of july, and new year's, which also -- always draw large numbers of visitors to the island. jack manages the logistics around those as well. and i just thought that in terms of looking to the future and some of the historical events in the future, i think, particularly for an event like the oracle world events, and some of the larger events, the two big impacts that will be
more challenging when we have 20,000 residents on the island are as jack mentioned, the logistics of bringing the number of visitors to the island, obviously we will have better transit in the future, but to the extent that people are trying to come to the island via card or, whether that's their own car or an uber type of vehicle, those are big challenges to manage, but also for -- jack show to the area of the islands that was impacted. that project, best -- that event had an extended build in build out. it was impacting all of the roadways on that side of the island for a six week period, and that type of an event that has an extended load in and load out would be much, much more challenging in the future. the music festival had a more
compressed load unit load out period, and we will have city side park in the future, but city side part, while it has a large amount of open space, it won't have that 4-acre lawn that the great lawn provided. and so it may be looking at events that may draw a similar number of people, but could be broken up into multiple venues in individual blocks of the city side park. the other thing is, as we go forward, the recreation fields on the island need some definition. in all of our images, they are depicted as for baseball diamonds, but the open space plan calls for us to configure those as multiuse spaces that could support soccer or gaelic football, or other types of programs.
as that space is designed, and may have the flexibility as well, subject to other programming to accommodate a larger gathering of people. those are things we will continue to explore as we move forward. >> goods. thank you. >> thank you. >> we have gotten to the end of the next item, discussions of future agenda. >> item number 7 is discussion of future agenda items by directors. >> yes, i have. there was a chronicle article, as you know about the petra tech and its operations and testing in hunter's point, and the question of whether treasure island is the same company, and is the same people, and whether the results need to be looked at
again. i think this is something which is something where we cannot fail. we have to have absolute assurance that the island is safe for the people who are going to be living there and playing their, and in some ways, because we have not evolved in constructing the housing, this is the time to do it, not after any future housing, or parks are built. would you perhaps comment on some of the articles' points, and also discuss what the staff and the navy are planning to do in terms of responding to some of the accusations that have
been made. >> yeah, i can speak to some of the questions that were raised by the authors of the article and some of the work that the division that was involved in the problems that hunter's point has done on the island. at their more recent -- more recent work on the island was only done in 2017, where they decommissioned some groundwater investigation unit monitoring wells, so this was not a cleanup project, per se, but the removal of and backfill of ground floor -- groundwater monitoring was. that is not work that would have a direct impact on the cleanup or the suitability and transfer of property.
they did have work that they were involved in on the islands that included radiological work. some of that work, for instance, they did scoping surveys for building 233, is part of the navy's cleanup, building 233, that was mentioned in this morning's article. this was a location in the 1950s, where the navy, there was a medium containing vial that was broken in that building. that building, in its entirety, and the drain lines from that building were demolished and removed by the navy, and handled as low-level radioactive waste, so to any concern that there work on that project, all of the
areas that they surveyed have been demolished, removed, and handled as low-level radiological waste. there's not really a concern that any mischaracterization of their survey work led to a lesser standard of caution or care. another area where they were involved was in the scanning of two buildings that were slated for demolition. these buildings, i don't have the exact address is in my head, but they are within one of the solid waste disposal areas, so they are within a radio logically contained area where the navy continues to do work, and so again, that area is the subject of ongoing work in further investigation. another area that they were
involved in was the removal of some radiological items that were identified by the california department of public health, in this case, they were directed to come and perform specific excavations in a particular location. so again, there is not a concern that they failed or would have misrepresented their activities in that location. so i can plan to speak on this and present further at a future meeting, or invite the navy to do so, but at this time, based on our review of the projects that they performed on the island and the navy's review,
there haven't been any red flags that have come up for us. >> thank you. any discussion for future agenda items squat that is where we are so we can engage. >> i think, just building off of that topic, this is sort of something i had noted to myself to bring up as well. i think in your future report on the situation, i think it's really important to also help us understand further why independent testing would not be necessary, and i thank you started explaining that, but i think if you can provide a more comprehensive response to that, it would just help everyone understand why the treasure island situation is different than hunter's point, because it seems clear that the city is now saying, for the hunter's point shipyard project, independent testing, including experts from
ucsf and berkeley are going to be necessary. so i'm just curious as to why, for treasure island that is different, where it seems like there as overlapping players on that side. i'd appreciate a response to that 80 future date, another thing that i think i would like to bring up again is a couple of hearings ago, the question around -- >> yeah. >> sorry. >> to the agenda, yes. >> okay. another thing that i think we need to bring back up is the question of the toll and the consequences of if the city elected officials were to go down this path of selecting a different alternative than what has always been planned, a webs the legal ramifications may be,
or the developmental ramifications, just so that everyone in the community can understand that the use are not lights decisions, and that we need to be very well informed of the consequences of if we were to choose a different path, and i'm sure this is on a future agenda already, but if we could just get some clarity around the status of the housing delivery on the island, i think you would mention that you would bring that, especially the lot to us relatively soon, so i'm looking forward to that. thank you. >> thank you, again. this item is for future items on the agenda. i think for the public, before we had during this meeting, in the boarding rests on the regulators, so the history of
the cleanup in this country, given the fact that they are -- there are several military bases that have been cleaned, so we will ship the bird into the people who are to the navy, to the regulators, the department of toxic substance and control, the california environmental protection agency, the u.s. e.p.a., and all the other regulatory agencies is for them to reconvene and get advisors here, and what is going on. there are protocols involved. so that is that. i just want to capture the use, based on the discussions we have had today on discussion of future agenda items, i think what i heard the commissioner say, what our interests are, moving forward, is that with regards to the parks and maintenance, we would like to have a framework of the future administration of that, and the
entity that we talked about, based on successful models in the country and in the world. how we are going to do that, given that they have the bulk of the responsibility for some infrastructure and impacts maintenance. i would also mention that now is the time to start talking about marketing, some of the opportunity that we have as part of san francisco, engaging with agencies like the airport, or tourism, and see, even right now, what they could be planning to do to help us let people know that treasure island is going to come online, and is going to come online gradually, and that we are serious about doing the outreach, and commissioners also mentioned about the budget team. what it is right now we are doing that really gives the impact that we are looking at these parcels.
how much they will cost in all of that, and we have also added the landscape architect to keep looking. now that they have these elaborate programs of accommodating visually impaired, the disabled, and how, when they get to the islands, how they will be crossing the street, how can we create an experience for those populations of seniors of the disabled that they will not experience this in san francisco. these kinds of things will put treasure island on the map. lastly, we have asked our department to begin the exercise to tell us now about all these wonderful events, based on the history of the island, and based on where we are going so we have our hands full. commissioners, if you have any other suggestions, please, let the director know so all of this
>> good morning, welcome to the san francisco county transportation meeting for today, tuesday, february 26, 2019. our clerk is mr. cantinia. if you could please call the roll. >> commissioner brown. brown absent. commissioner fewer. >> fewer present. >> commissioner mandelman? >> present. >> commissioner peskin? >> present. commissioner ronan? absent. commissioner