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>> chairwoman: good morning, everyone. the meeting will come to order. welcome to the march 11, 2019, meeting of the rules committee. i am supervisor hillary ronen, chair the committee. seated to my right is shamann walton, and seated to my left is rules committee member supervisor gordon mar. i would like that thank michael and charles from s.f. gov. tv for staffing this meeting. mr. clerk, do you have any announcements? >> yes. please make sure to silence all cell phones and electronic devices. and documents should be
submitted to the clerk. items today will appear on the march 19th board of supervisors' agenda unless otherwise stated. >> chairwoman: thank you so much. if you could please call item number four. >> item number four is a motion appointing supervisor gordon mar, term ending february 1, 2021, to the bay area air quality management district board of directors. >> chairwoman: thank you. and do you want to make a motion to excuse -- >> i would like to make a motion to excuse supervisor mar. >> chairwoman: without objection, that motion passes. >> i would like to open up this item to public comment. if any member of the public would like to speak on this item, now is your chance. seeing none, public comment is closed. as a former member of the bay area air quality management district, i am very excited that
supervisor gordon mar is going to be representing san francisco on that body. it's a very important body, and we currently have two vacant seats. wink, wink, supervisor walton, i'm trying to get him to apply. so if anyone wants to grab him after the meeting and say, we need your fierceness on the commission, please do so. mr. walton -- supervisor, any comments? >> my comments, of course, i echo your sense being excited about supervisor mar serving. [laughter] >> i would like to move his name forward for a positive recommendation to the rules committee. >> chairwoman: without oak, this item passes unanimously. i'm going to grab that. you're going to the board with positive recommendation. and i'm still waiting for a couple of amendments to item number one, so i'm going to call items number two and three out of
order. >> item number two is a resolution approving the eighth amendment to the bylaws of the island citizencitizens advisory board o decrease the board from 25 members to 17 members. item number three is a resolution approving the fourth amendment to the treasure island development authority bylaws to allow the board of directors to authorize contracts with a value up to $10 million consistent with other city departments. >> chairwoman: thank you. and my understanding is that these items aren't exactly properly before us. item number two, my understanding, is that it came to us came to us not in the correct form. and item number three, we are not the -- i'm sorry. it is reversed, isn't it?
i have it right. and item number three is not properly before us because it should go before the treasure island development authority. so i will be making a motion to file these items. but before i do so, i wanted to open up items two and three to the public for public comment. is there any member of the public who would like to speak on items two or three? now is your time. seeing none, public comment is closed. i want to make a motion to file items two and three. without objection, that motion passes. thank you so much. now can we go back to item number one. >> item number one is ord ordinance to set the minimum size of letting for exterior signage for terminal one of san francisco international airport. >> chairwoman: thank you so much. so this is my item. and i wanted to make a few opening remarks.
and then we do have members that -- director iver sachero from the airport, as well as another staff member which i believe will present -- oh, we'll be hearing from iver. and we have former supervisor david compost, and my predecessor and boss, who really this idea came from, and it has just been my honor to shepherd it through. you know, since i took over his position. and so what i did was last year i authored legislation to remain it to the harvey milk terminal after san francisco's beloved icon, harvey milk, who was killed tragically in 1978
in a horrible act. the ordinance, which passed unanimously mandates that the airport honor harvey milk's legacy through art and signage on the external of the terminal, clearly stating to all visitors that this is a the harvey milk terminal. sadly, the airport commission's response to this legislation was to present a design plan to the terminal that seemed to miss the point entirely. under the proposed design, the main signage would state boldly terminal one, with harvey milk terminal written unmuch smaller font underneath. this was very frustrating to me, and frankly very insulting to the lgbt community members who were involved in the discussions that led to the renaming of this
terminal. therefore, i am mandating, legislatively, that the airport change their design that har harvey milk graces it invisible, large, bold letters. a few people have stated that it might be confusing for people looking for their flights if terminal one wasn't the largest letting on the entrance sign. however, other airports have renamed terminals with no apparent difficulty. for example, the john mccain terminal, and the barry m.goldwater terminal, and humphrey terminal at minneapolis, st. paul's airport, all have signs that display their names prominently. if they can do it, so can we. the exterior signage is particularly important because it is one of the first things that visitors coming to the airport will see. the harvey milk airport should have the signage
with his name. i'm part to be part of this historic moment, the first time a terminal is being named after a lgbt leader. it is about a history that weaves the struggle of the lgbt rights together with the struggle of all oppressed people, fighting collectively for dignity and for justice. thank you to stewart milk, harvey milk's fe nephew, who flew out here to be with us today, and david compost, for his support and hard work on this. i want to call up iver sachero, the director of the s.s.o. airport to speak first. and then i would like to give an opportunity to the original sponsor and
fighter for this idea, supervisor david compost and stewart milk to speak, and then i'll open it up to public comments, unless my colleague has any comments. no. thank you. >> thank you. good to be here this morning. supervisor, per your requests, we looked at some different options on how to best represent this. we understand that the original media presentation, it wasn't a well-developed thought or presentation on how we would propose do it, but it certainly had a reaction that we understand an appreciate. and so we have done more development of different options around how we would do this. and really our hopes is we can come up with something that clearly represents the importance of harvey milk and the values of san francisco, and avoid a legislative approach, for obvious reasons, around setting a precedent. we're hopeful that some of
the studies we prepare will resonate with you and the community and properly show that representation of terminal one. so if i might show a couple of the images we've been working on. >> chairwoman: please. thank you. and i really appreciate you preparing this upon my request. thank you for doing that. ha >> okay. so this is the approach end of the terminal, terminal one. and so this would be the first signage that travellers coming into the airport would see in front of the building, on the land side of the building. further down -- the importance of way finding on our airport is really important. and it is important that we have consistency as well in the naming of the terminals in the manner that they are represented in all of the ticketing and all of the graphics on
the airline websites, and fly us websites, that this is also terminal one and doesn't create confusion when they look at their tickets, am i in the right terminal? so this first study shows that the harvey milk terminal would be boldly represented at the approach end of this terminal, and then further down the way, we would have our traditional signage, that says terminal one. we do have this same signage on terminals two and terminals three. there would be first, no mistaking that this is the harvey milk terminal, but it would be okay that it is terminal one as well, and that would resonate with the passengers because that is -- all of their paraphernalia is attached to terminal want. one. and the ticketed is f.a.a. mandated. this is four-foot letting
for harvey milk terminal and two-foot letting for terminal one. we do see such confusion, particularly where your approaching the terminal complex and there is traffic congestion, and we want to make sure that our folks don't circle and get confused about where they're at. this was the first option that we studied. and then we studied a second option that actually did increase the terminal one signage. so what you have there is four foot for the harvey milk terminal, and the terminal one is in three foot high letters. and continuing to maintain that terminal one, our traditional terminal signage, down the way, further down the terminal. and then we did another
option with taking out that initial terminal one signage, and just referring to the harvey milk terminal, and then keeping the terminal one down the road. so there is -- i think it is a nice separation of the naming of the terminal that stands alone. it has its own place on the terminal, and clearly identifies this as the harvey milk terminal, and then there is reenforcement down the way, okay, this is terminal one, and it reflects what they have as to all of their information. so these are some options we thought worked well and represented well the spirit of what we're trying to do with the naming of terminal one after harvey milk. i'll be glad to answer any questions. >> chairwoman: how important do you think it is -- i see that the sort of the font and i guess the circle around the one that you have sort of down
the way is different from how you represent terminal one underneath harvey milk terminal. is it that the signage is consistent? in other words, if you put "terminal one" with the circle underneath harvey milk terminal, that is consistent with the other terminal signage, it seems like people are smart enough to be able to understand that this is terminal one, the harvey milk terminal, you know, as they're making their way through the airport. >> you know -- >> chairwoman: sorry. let me ask this question: what was the decision to change the font and the lettering and then moving it down the way? >> it was to have that distinct -- the consistency. if you go to front of terminal two, what you see on the front face of
terminal two in big bold letters is terminal two, and the same thing with terminal three. a bold terminal three. it is that consistency that doesn't get lost with the other language. so they don't just drive by and say, well, that's still the harvey milk terminal, and they miss the fact it is terminals one, two, and three. we've seen the confusion and the circling of cars around the roadway, missing the terminal, and so actually the add to terminal three was fairly recent, i would say in the last five years, putting that kind of terminal three in a very visible and bold kind of font and presentation. it is really to have that reenforcement that i'm at the right terminal because terminals are confusing, and traffic congestion causes additional confusion. and the facility is just so expansive, too. it is important that that
is -- that it matches what's in all of their ticketing and map information that they have. >> chairwoman: so, i mean, just -- we've talked a little bit about this off-line, but publicly, it has been such a struggle, from day one, when supervisor compost was in -- was working to name -- we started off wanting to name the entire airport, which i always have wished we did, but in the spirit of compromise, you know, we are willing to create the body to suggest which terminal was named after harvey milk. and it was decided that terminal one was the terminal. on one hand we were very excited because it was under renovation, which would give us this amazing opportunity to be able to incorporate the harvey milk terminal and the spirit, and what his life and legacy represents to the city and county all
throughout the terminal. it turned out that so many of the different places where we are commissioning art had already been in contract, and so we only had very limited spaces within the terminal so make sure that we have that artistic representation of the legacy and life of harvey milk. and so the very few -- you know, i had to fight to make sure that any space that wasn't already under contract, that those supposes would be reserved for artistic representations of harvey milk's life and legacy, and now we're having to fight over the signage. and so i just -- you know, i appreciate that you don't want to set precedent with legislation, but i just haven't felt the confidence to take it upon the word of yourself, given that the commission,
particularly, has been so hostile to this renaming of the terminal to withdraw the legislation. i appreciate that you're asking that, and i understand the reason why, but i just don't feel comfortable doing that. because every step of this process has been really difficult. and so, you know, i'm not going to withdraw the legislation, but i would like to have some sort of compromise here. i definitely want to hear from the public, but then i kind of wanted to ask to bring you back just to talk through a possible blending of the different options, if that's okay? >> okay. sure. >> chairwoman: supervisor mark? now i would like to call up supervisor david compost. >> thank you. good morning chair ronen, supervisor mar. it is good to see so many faces and great to see you
both in these roles. thank you very much for this opportunity. i also want to thank stewart milk for being here. and i have to say from the very beginning, that one of the hardest things for me to see in this whole process is how difficult it has been to move this forward. and my apologies in many respects to the harvey milk family because i think what they have seen from the moment that we proposed the naming of the airport up to this point is a real fight on the part of a number of people to keep harvey milk's name out of the airport. i think there are two things that i didn't fully understand when i brought this proposal forward. one, that harvey, by virtual ovirtue of what he stood for went up against the establishment. and unfortunately, a lot
of people he went up against are still in power, and high and powerful positions, and they are doing everything they can to keep his name from being at the airport. and they were successful in keeping the entire airport from being named after him. and now they're doing the same with the terminal. the second thing that i made a mistake on was that i actually -- and i say this not against the individuals who are here from the airport, but just the entire airport as a whole. i actually trusted the administration of the airport to approach this issue in good faith. i trusted that they were seriously considering the naming of the airport. i later realized that the very people i was talking to had other ideas for the airport and for the international terminal in particular. and then when we reached a compromise with then mayor lee, i trusted that they would try to implement that compromise in good faith. and every step of the way that hasn't happened.
and i think that this raises larger questions about what is the problem that people have with harvey milk at the airport? and specifically, what is the problem that the airport commission has with harvey milk? and i'll tell you that that's really the crux of this problem. because as much as they try to put a nice face -- and you saw a very nice presentation from a nice airport director -- and they tried to, by the way -- every time we talked about this issue, they tried to bring gay people so you feel better about what they're doing. but at the end of the day, it is the airport commission that doesn't want this, and they're going to fight you every step of the way. so i'm glad to hear that you're not withdrawing this ordinance because i don't think you can trust this commission to honor harvey milk. i don't know what it is, to be honest with you. there is something they have against harvey milk, and i don't know what that is. and it rises larger issues about the airport commissioner. it is one of those
commissions who have had people who have been on it for so long, and who are so entrenched in their power, that if they don't get it about harvey milk, what else are they not getting? i think -- i had this conversation with the mayor where i basically asked her, madam mayor, i know you care about the lgbt community, and can you please make sure we don't need a magnifying glass to see harvey milk's name on the airport, and she made a commitment that we wouldn't. but i do think if you leave it to them, you will need a magnifying glass. i asked the mayor to make sure not only that we do the rise thing with respect to this matter, but i hope madam mayor, you look at the airport commission, and the makeup of this commission, and i think it is time for-changer. for change. and i think if the mayor doesn't do that, i think those who care about the airport will have to think about what we can do to make that change happen, whether it is a ballot
measure to change the makeup of that commission, because the status quo right now is not tenable. the only thing i would say with respect to harvey milk, it is so sad to see yet another missed opportunity. instead of embracing what you were trying to do with the name of the terminal, they actually came back with a proposal that in one of the areas of the airport, they leave out harvey milk's name. they have the names go up in two places, and in one of them, the far left end, that you saw, they leave harvey milk's name out all together in the name of way finding. way finding. it is such an absurd argument. the fact is your staff has done research in other airports, where that hasn't been the case. where terminals are named after individuals in both the name of the individual and the terminal number is
included in every part of the terminal where that goes up. how can they come back here after everything that has been said and actually recommend that in one part of the terminal harvey milk's name be taken out all together? and then the idea that travellers need that to find their way around. i'm sorry, that just doesn't pass the laugh test. for one thing, you have places like l.a.x., where you have a tom bradley terminal, where there isn't even a number to attached to that terminal. and l.a.x., as big as it is, it is much larger than s.f.o. and some how people find their way at l.a.x. so i respectfully ask you to stay your ground, hold your ground. i think we need to proceed. i think it is really sad, and it's a statement of
the fast stat sad state of affas that we have to do what you're doing. it shouldn't be this way in san francisco, but yet we have a terminal where we're trying to honor a man who is responsible for the gay rights movement being where it is, who was killed, and yet an airport commission that doesn't get it. and so thank you very much for doing it. and on behalf of, i think, so many members of our lgbt community, we thank you and ask you for continuing your efforts. thank you. >> chairwoman: thank you so much. i'd like to call up stewart milk. thank you so much for being here with us today. >> thank you. >> chairwoman: even with an injured foot? >> yeah. it's not too comfortable, but it is always great to be here in san francisco, and to be before this such important body that my
uncle so proudly served in. it means so much to the entire milk family that the city continues to look for ways to remind people of the ultimate sacrifice that my uncle gave, but also his inclusiveness. i know we've had a lot of time talking here about lgbt people, but my uncle was about all minority communities. and i'll talk about that in a minute. i want to thank supervisor ronen, supervisor mar, and the entire board that unanimously passed the legislation creating terminal one. in particular, i want to thank former supervisor and chairman -- current chairman, david compost for his leadership and for his vision, and for his -- believe me, it could have been a lot less grey hairs on his head if he just put this aside. but we worked very closely together from the beginning on the campaign to name the airport. you know, i want to also
say that it's a little sad that i -- having the last name milk, and being part of the harvey milk foundation has allowed me to get to know some other incredible families. and with the whole milk airport naming, i had conversations with members of the kennedy family, members of the king family. and it was interesting because they always said, boy, the airport must be in touch with the family every day. and i said, you know, we've had no contact with the airport, with the airport commission. they did no reach-out to the family. not once. and, you know, this is an old history for the lgbt community, where you dehuman nicize the lgbt community, you forget they have a family, you forget they have a history, and they have people who are trying to take care of that legacy and do justice to all that my uncle stood for. so i'm saddened that not only has there been
opposition from the airport, but i'm also saddened that there has been really no reach-out. no reach-out to the harvey milk foundation, either. i happen to be a very frequent traveller. i have top frequent flier status on three airlines. it is not something that i wear as a badge of honor, but it is something that says i do a lot of travelling. and i do because the milk foundation does work all across the globe. i get to travel through a lot of airports. i do a lot of foreign airports. i have never seen, in any airport that has a name for a person for that terminal, any one lost. i wish i travelled more through s.f.o., but i happen to travel through l.a.x. quite frequently. and most of my american airline flights today are domestic because they use that terminal for domestic flights as well.
i have never seen anyone lost. there is no signage. it goes from terminal three, and then the tom bradley terminal, and then terminal four. so it is not even in order. another example is miami. when miami redid its airports, it used to be terminal "a," "b," "c," "d," all the way up to "g." they did away with "a," "b," "c," and it skips over to "f." and there is no terminal "a." you begin with terminal "b." this whole issue of way finding, i find to be disingenuous. because if you look at international travel, people who travel at major airports, they really do have a great ability to find their way around. and then the last thing i want to say is that -- and very importantly, this really seems to be such a lost opportunity, as david was saying. now, we've luckily -- i just, last year, took part in the renaming of
southwest shark street to harvey milk street in portland, oregon. the name harvey milk street is up, and shark street is gone. i just spoke with the mayor again. he said, you know, stewart, we have benefited beyond belief in people now coming to portland, getting their picture taken at southwest -- at harvey milk street. he said, i've never heard of anyone being confused because we don't either have southwest, which most of their streets have a directional on it, or that shark street isn't there anymore. no confusion. no way-finding issues. same thing in salt lake city, utah. salt lake city, utah, believe it or not, has harvey milk boulevard that replaced a directional street, 900 south street. and harvey milk boulevard,
again, the same thing, the mayor, who, by the way is openly lgbt, and he says said, stewart, this has been such a gift to the city. it has become a beacon. and not just for lgbt people, but for everyone who knows someone who is lgbt. people get their picture taken, again, in front of harvey milk boulevard in salt lake city. i know even in the few days i get to be home in south florida, the broward county visitors' bureau spends billions of dollars to advertise to the lgbt community. and the head just said, oh, my gosh, what a gift it would be if we had something major named after harvey, and they said we should look at that and work with that. i think that the director -- the airport director would know that we have a major airline that has a hero -- and i'm actually jumping the gun
on an announcement, but we have a major airline that puts on its international trans atlantic aircraft a kelston hero. they have a mahatma gandhi. and people say who is on that? well, harvey is going on one of those. and i have never heard any concerns from that airline. they're actually going to do a lot of promotion on lgbt, and one of the airports we'll be flying into is san francisco. so there just seems to be a lost opportunity. how many of the supervisors have seen people in front of the harvey milk bus here getting their picture taken? leaving trinkets there. it has become a beacon in san francisco, where people can see this board of supervisors and what it has done and see a city that recognizes someone who gave their -- gave the ultimate sacrifice, again, not just for lgbt, but for
all of us to be authentic, to remember our origin. i could e sily see the harvey milk terminal being a -- people actually going to the airport to have their picture taken in front of it. or if they're going into another terminal, heading over to the harvey milk terminal to have their picture taken with it. this is a true opportunity. and i'm just kind of amazed that the airport doesn't see that. i mean, just look at the budgets from the tourists and convention visitors' bureaus from around the world, what the lgbt and those who support the lgbt community would mean. it is just really beyond -- beyond explanation as to how we don't see that. and then, finally, we have to recognize the 71 countries in the world that still criminalize lgbt people.
and when we send a message like an international airport remembering someone who does represent a community where it is still illegal to be who you are in 71 countries, i think it is a real disservice to in any way downplay that. i think it is a real disservice to in any way downplay that this is a community that celebrates everyone. we don't exclude anyone. that san francisco leads the way in celebrating diversitiy. and that we recognize that someone gave their life, and that we still have work to do. in that 71 countries, and in half a dozen of them it is still punishable by death. who you are is illegal. i applaud the board of supervisors for taking this action. with all due respect to the airport director, i don't understand the airport commission. i would welcome them if they wanted to have a
conversation with me or the harvey milk foundation. we've not been reached out to, but i do appreciate and applaud the work that you all are doing to make sure that the vision that was passed unanimously is not distorted somehow, and that harvey's legacy is remembered because it is a legacy of san francisco. thank you very much. >> chairwoman: thank you so much. i really appreciate both of those comments. i now want -- if it is okay -- yes, my colleague, i wanted to open this up for public comment. any member of the public who wishes to speak on this item, if you want to line up over on this side of the room. you'll have three minutes to speak. >> good morning, my name is moses carrette, and i'm a resident of direct 8 and i work in district 6. i spend most of my life here these days. i been in san francisco for 20 years. as a queer kid from the
east coast, there was always something welcoming about san francisco for me. there was always a voice in the back of my head that there is community for me there, there is hope for me there -- here. and i found it. and i love my life in san francisco. i arrived as a immigrant to san francisco from the east coast, as i said. by arriving at s.f.o. and what a inspiration it would have been if i had been able to arrive at a harvey milk terminal. i applaud the work of the supervisors to getting the naming done in the first place. i'm, quite frankly, embarrassed by our airport commission, as being a san franciscan, that they are beyond hesitant to embrace this. it is truly disappointing.
and i thank you for a legislative fix where one was not forthcoming just to embrace it. it's sad that this is coming -- that has become necessary. but it is something that means so much to so many people across the world, that it is a goal worth pursuing at any cost. and i thank you. >> chairwoman: thank you so much. >> supervisors, i am bob goldfarb, and i'm the chair of the lgbtq cultural district. i've been a resident here for 21 years, and i absolutely love living here and i'm proud to be here. i am a frequent traveller as well. and i, frankly, find the
position about having way-finding as an issue to be somewhat laughable. i've been to airports all around the world. and if you go to frankfurt, germany, which is a very large airport, they have terminal "z" over terminal "a." so i think having three terminals, this is really a red herring of an issue. and harvey milk was out and proud. and this city should be proud to have had him as our first openly gay supervisor. and i'm delighted that the city is displaying that pride by placing his name on an airport terminal one. and if the city wants to honor harvey, his name should be proudly displayed on that building. and that means having his name in a size that is out and proud, just as he was, for all to see. so i urge you to vote for this amendment so that we
can honor harvey milk with pride. thank you. >> chairwoman: thank you so much. >> my name is david heiman. i work with the lgbt community. and i also have the joy to be a volunteer with the castro ambassadors, where we frequently, regularly, greet visitors who came there specifically to learn about and to honor harvey milk. and it is a great pleasure to help them and to see how important his life and his work is to so many people. and so i wanted to thank the supervisors for recognizing that and to fight for that recognition of his contributions to our community and to our city.
>> good morning, supervisors. thank you very much, chairman ronen, and supervisor mar. my name is ren david phoenix, and i've been a resident within san francisco since 1989. and i, too, travel a good deal. i also have a dual residence in my home town of denver, colorado. and i really respect the work that former chairman compost has done and greatly respect the nephew of harvey milk, for presenting significant background information on this topic, in this very significant need. i think the one thing that seems to be overlooked in this conversation, and maybe its two things -- is the amount of revenue that is generated by the lgbtq
community into the city of san francisco and overall the san francisco bay area. as a former board of directors for "pride" 10 years ago i know it was more than in the millions and continues to grow. our fulsom street event also generates a lot of international incoming visitors to our tourist community. and like has already been said, i ditto on the fact that why a long-standing commission, despite scent reputation by director satos, is so resistant to this. and that they risk, without realizing it, given the mobilization of what the community can show you, that they could
be put on -- they could be put feet to the hot seat. and it would not go well for the city or for the commission as a whole. as a member of the lgbtq cultural district on the governance committee, it is really important that we represent all of the county members, the votes that make san francisco the international star that it is, not just for this country, but to the globe. so with that said, please fight on. thank you. >> chairwoman: thank you so much. >> good morning, supervisors. my name is alex fontelle. i am one of the members of the idea of bringing the eagle plaza, a wonderful
project, the first lettering plaza in the world. i am part of the lgbt district, and i see some of the committees. i'm here to say i also am a frequent traveller. i arrived to san francisco 28 years ago, september 1st, 1990, and it has always been a very generic-looking airport. now this idea of harvey milk, naming of the airport, represents not just acceptance of the lgbt community, but really how the san francisco community lives day by day. and that is something natural for us to be around them. and i really think that this naming of the airport should not be just in one spot. like in other airports, the name should be
represented and really states what the airport is and what it represents, what the present state of san francisco is. we are all-inclusive. and the idea of what mr. milk has given to the world with his life, he should always be represented properly. and i understand that it is already time for us to just move on and continue this committee with the airport. they are really not accepting the legislature. and this type of move shows they have something against it. and they should understand that, you know, if they already accept it, they should just continue with other examples. so i'm here just to say that it should be recognized at all of -- all of the terminals should be named with harvey milk. and there is no confusion for travellers if they have only the terminal. thank you very much. >> chairwoman: thank you so much. next speaker.
>> good morning. my name is steven torrez. i'm here representing the harvey milk lgbtq democratic club. we're in support of your ordinance. and i also appreciate all of you supervisors giving unanimous support of this. as the harvey milk lgbtq democratic, we recognize his name being associated with us allows us to work that much harder and allows us much more responsibility to the community throughout the world. another thing that occurred to me is that debra jones, who was his intern when he was supervisor, was here this past november, on the 40th anniversary of the assassination. and she said a story that i've heard from many people, where harvey told her that when she entered city hall, she needed to use the main staircase.
that when they entered together, they needed to ascend those stairs like the queens that they were. [laughter] >> and i think having harvey's name on this terminal, larger than life, is very much in tune with who harvey was, but it is also going to allow members of our community throughoutethroughout the worldo enter san francisco like the queens we are and to come home. thank you. >> chairwoman: thank you so much. is there any other member of the public who would like to speak on this item? seeing none, public comment is closed. supervisor mar. >> yeah. thank you. okay. i first want to just acknowledge and thank chair ronen, former supervisor compost, and stewart milk, and so many in the community who spoke today, and so many others on your vision, you know, your leadership, and your hard work on this important issue over many years.
i think this is such an important effort to honor the legacy of harvey milk, and not just for the lgbtq community, but for all of the communities here in san francisco, and beyond. for me personally, as a young person, when i first moved to san francisco many years ago, fresh out of college, the legacy of harvey milk and the legacy of the lgbtq community here in the city was a big part of what inspired me and motivated me to move to san francisco. and i think it is so important. as many speakers touched on today, it is important to really stick to that and even lift up some legacy even more given the intolerance, or even hate, that we see directed at the lgbt community and other marginalized communities from the white house and even in many countries around the
world. i appreciate the presentation by the airport director, in showing the visual images of what it could look like, that is really helpful for me in just visualizing it. but i would agree with the sentiment of all of the comments of the people that have spoken today, that sort of the concerns about how this might impact visitors from the airport, and their ability to navigate the different terminals doesn't really -- it not a very strong argument. so i'm proud to have co-sponsored this ordinance under -- following the leadership of chair ronen. i wish we didn't really need to do this ordinance and spending the time today to be talking about this, but it does -- but i'm very convinced that we do need to move forward on this ordinance. i would defer to chair ronen in how she wants to proceed with this.
because i know you've been the lead in the negotiations with the airport on this. thank you. >> chairwoman: thank you so much, supervisor mar. you know, i was thinking about, you know, just listening to all of the words, and, like it or not, harvey milk and san francisco are interlinked, and i love it. i have a 6-year-old daughter. and she -- harvey milk is one of her heros. i think if she grew up in any other city, that wouldn't necessarily be the case. that she wouldn't learn about harvey milk in her school, in her kindergarten class. they learn about harvey milk and what he did not only for our city, but for our country and our world. and it's one of the things that makes me proud to live in san francisco. it's one of the things that makes her proud to be from san francisco, is that we here in the city have a hero that is unique
to us in many ways. and that's why when i was working for supervisor compost at the time, when he came up with the idea to name the whole airport after harvey milk, we were all in his office so excited about it because it made sense. it's one of the heros that is most prominently linked with our city, and our city uniquely. and so it is just a point of pride for all of us. and i really wish that this hadn't gone down this way, where we had to feel like we were in constant battle with the airport, and the airport commission. i wish we didn't have to legislate this. i wish this could have just gone smoothly and in informal conversations, but that just hasn't been the case. in the original ordinance, we had to make sure that the arts commission was
able to approve the art going in there because we didn't trust that the airport commission would prominently choose artists that were really believing in the mission of the naming of this airport after harvey milk, and reflecting his life and legacy in the strongest way possible. every step of the way we've had to put safeguards in the legislation to make sure that decision couldn't be subverted, and that is just the truth. and it's a shame, but it's what we've had to do. and i agree with the member of the public who said, this is going to be a monumental point of pride once again for our city. people are going to come to the airport just to take pictures with the arterartreflecting harvey milk's legacy, with the sign. i know it. as supervisor mar said, when people -- and especially people from the
lgbtq community from all over the world come to san francisco and are welcomed with this sign, that feeling of being recognized, celebrated, and belonging to our city is one of the very special things about san francisco. so this has been a no-brainer to some of us, and very difficult for many other of us. so i'm glad we're at this point today. i wanted to give mr. sachero an opportunity to come up, if there is anything else you wanted to say after hearing the comments. i also -- i have some suggested amendments to the ordinance. you know, i do think way-finding is important. obviously, in airports, but i believe that its importance here has been exaggerated, in my opinion. so i kind of wanted to strike a balance. and so i'll explain the amendments that i am going to present today, and then
wanted to give me mr. sachero an opportunity to discuss them. but i thought that, you know, in the original ordinance, we had asked that terminal one be half the size of harvey milk torterminal, and that sort of outside main entrance to the terminal. and what i would like to amendment, to offer an amendment and suggestion, is to take that one "b" option that was presented to us, and to have terminal one be basically 75% of harvey milk terminal. so a little bigger so that it is more prominent. but then another amendment i would like to present is that additionally, wherever there is signage identifying terminal one in the airport, whether it is in the interior or the exterior of the terminal, or at the airport, the complete airport, that the
words harvey milk should appear in equal or greater height. so we're never going to see terminal one without the harvey milk terminal. i think that that truly is what, you know, was the intention behind this plan, the intention of the board of supervisors when they passed these items unanimously. my intention, when i offered the ordinance, to supervisor's compost's attention, when he started this original process, and i think this best encapsulates that intention. i'm really disappointed that the airport has never reached out to the milk family. that just seems like a no-brainer, that we wouldn't have had to legislate, that that would have been an obvious -- an obvious sort of, you know, measure of respect.
and so i just wanted to make that point. i want to apologize to the milk family that that has never happened. i didn't know that because i've been in communication with you the whole time. but i didn't realize the airport itself hadn't reached out to you. of course, the kennedys and the kings would have expected that because it is so obvious, you don't think you have to ask for it. so i want to apologize on behalf of the city and county that that hasn't happened. and hope that going forward that that message is taken home, and that this is an effort that involves the family every step of the way. so mr. sachero, i don't know if you want to make any other comments or have a reaction to the amendments that i plan to present, but now would be a good time. >> sure. and thank you. i certainly heard the comments from the public and appreciate their perspective. and i feel the same about
his contribution to the values of san francisco. and we certainly want to pay respect to that at the airport. as an operator of an airport, i need to do things in a very thoughtful way. we don't do anything at the airport without a lot of thought going into particular way-finding, and if you can imagine the kind of comments i get around way-finding at an airport is incredibly -- it is not just a matter of looking at something and saying, that's as clear as day. it is under the stress of, i'm travelling, i have a plane to make, i'm going through security. there are so many other parts of the airport experience -- i just sat in traffic for 20 minutes to get to the airport, and we're trying to solve traffic congestion. there is so much more that goes into an airport experience than just thinking, it seems so simple. one example, the signage around a hotel. we have a grand hyatt opening, and how do i sign
that hotel? and i have another sign that says shuttles, and that will play a part. inevitably, there are going to be those people who get on hotel shuttles and get lost and are very unhappy with that. tickets -- people look at their tickets and they think, oh, it says i.t. on it. and they mistake that for terminal one. and they go to terminal one and they're really upset about the fact how come that can't be clear, when they're flying out of the i.t., which is the international terminal. there is so much that goes into a terminal operation, and so much expense that we put into signage programs and trying to reduce confusion. less signs is better. more intuitive is really a much better way of way-finding around an airport, having an intuitiveness about it. and that's how we think
about terminals, having intuitive in their designs as best as we can. if you think about the mayor lee work we're doing now to honor his memory as well in the international terminal, and doing it -- what we're trying to do in a very thoughtful and consistent way as well with what we're doing here, it's a very difficult balance to strike. and when you think about four terminals at the airport that likely at some point will get named for someone, and trying to find your way through a terminal complex -- what terminal am i in? am i going to the harvey milk terminal? and the kind of signage that will be required inside the building, to make that happen, along with the expense of making that happen because hundreds of signs get affected, so we try to differentiate between way-finding that has to have tremendous clarity to it, and other signs that represent the building, but always having the
bread crumbs of how do i get around at the terminal complex. we try to spend more time than a lot of airports in the way-finding piece because airports are such confusing places. and l.a.x. is a great example of an extremely confusing operation with a lot of congestion issues. we don't want to be that airport. so i have a whole team just on way-finding and a program on way-finding. so we try to be very thoughtful. we thought we were trying to be thoughtful of this as well in the way we presented the harvey milk terminal, but also have that mind to the passengers. and so i'm hopeful that we're differentiating between way-finding and the terminal signage because the way-finding program has to be clear and concise and can't add to the confusion of a terminal experience. i would just say that. we would be very proud to work with the milk family on this as we proceed with our crowd sourcing campaign, which i think is
very exciting, and i think it is going to have a wonderful presentation and representation of harvey milk, and it is going to involve the public significantly in that. so we would love to work with the milk family as we prepare that. the other thing around the art commission work, certainly that is a public art program. and the airport doesn't have any authority over the art commission public art program. we certainly fund it, and the money comes out of the capital program, but it is not under our jurisdiction. it is under the public arts jurisdiction, and so we work very closely with the art commission on these and try to do something very thoughtful around the art presentation at the airport, and its integration with the terminal design. i would just leave you with those remarks, that everything we do, we try to do in a very thoughtful way with the passenger in mind. and we certainly want to represent and honor this in a very thoughtful way. >> chairwoman: i appreciate that. but i also would just say