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sewer. american water resources will have their contractors televise as the p.u.c. standards for the lower laterals for the sewer lower laterals. those items would be transferred to the p.u.c. this contract allows for a $3.6t $1.9 million total and the chart he will straits the cost for each one of the monthly subscription rates. it's $4.41 for coverage and an optional combined sub description of $12.99. there's a handful of benefits to this program. american water will administer a independently. there will be limited p.u.c.
support for this. there's no pre enrollment continues aside from a 30-day wait period. and american water services will directly bill from potential customers. little more information about the contract timeline. this was advertised in january of 2018. the opening date was march 2018. and there were two bidders. there was american water resources and home serve. and the process included both written evaluation and of course cost and the revenue component. american water resources would be identified highest propose o'er and we can seeking border supervisor approval on target north may of 2019 and we are targeting notice to proceed from june of this year. what we are asking sout is suppf
the award to american water resources. >> thank you for your presentation. i think that i'm one of the lateral 110,000 people with my house. i think my lateral is attached to a lateral if that's possible. i know it's possible because that's my situation. in 245 case, am i the responsible homeowner or is it only until the homeowner's lateral that i'm connected to and how would the insurance cover the lateral to lateral people like me. >> that's a very good question. >> thank you. >> it is a slightly a tip i canaitypicalconfiguration. they have laterals that meets current building codes at this time. there would be some sort of communication between the insurance program and they will provide some guidance of how to
bring it back up to code or to provide guidance as far as how to proceed. >> it might need to be taken off line but it sounds like the unique customers like me would actually probably need to pursue an upgrade or a replacement letterral in order to qualify for the insurance. do i have that right? >> potentially, yes. >> i think it's a good question that if we know some laterals are attached to other laterals instead of chasing great, so what happens in that per and they've been paying for five years, and all of a sudden something happens, and then we look at it and say you are not covered. that's what she's concerned with. >> i would be a candidate and i'm sure other customers, i don't know how many, to purchase
the insurance but i would want to make sure that i was covered because i'm in a unique lateral to lateral situation. >> it would more or less have a configuration that would follow under the lower lateral. it's different to give you a more specific answer. >> what i recommend we come back and give you what the policy would be pertaining to chasing laterals. >> it would be nice to know from me but right now i'm interested in that happening to other customers who might sign up and think they're insured but they might not be covered. i had one other -- and, does the insurance cover all kinds of issues like -- i know that age you mentioned, age of the house, so i would think that means a
lateral is falling apart or a tree root. these are all situations i have. so, i guess i would like to understand is the insurance really comprehensive for anything that might happen. an earthquake that might damage a literal? >> those are great questions. >> they have a list of covered and they have example of items that may not be covered. the normal wear and earth movement caused by normal settlement and that is technically covered. if there's a catastrophic earthquake event, specific events are not covered. mine are seismic events that cover soil. because of the soil movement settlement. >> that will be explained in the materials, marketing materials
that people receive when they're asked to enroll. >> and part of the marketing material is that the p.u.c. will have an opportunity to review what is communicated to all the p.u.c. customers as far as advertising. >> great. thank you. >> you bring up a very good point. it's $156 a year for the coverage. so i think it's important that we know what is covered. >> do we vote on it? >> so, the only outstanding item is from my understand asking chasing great? is this something that you have a literal that is not up to code and it is covered because it's after 30 days because it's working and something happens, we just need to find out, do
they bring it up to code or do they just say that it's not covered or i think we just need to -- >> or is there a requirement for the homeowner to bring it up to code to get coverage. that might be the situation? >> do you guys know? >> let me just add on to that. when someone buys insurance do they do the inspections to make sure it's up to code and things will be covered? or is this only after the fact that you get the rude surprise if it's not covered? >> they do no pre inspections in order to be enrolled in this. they would not be able to do the inspections beforehand in order to qualify someone to be enrolled in this. >> so my understanding is that it's a 30-day and everything is working for 30 days then you are covered, right? >> correct. >> if everything is working for 30 days what?
>> then they -- well, you are actually -- >> you get signed up. >> you start paying. >> for the 30 days you can't make a claim. >> but then after that -- >> it's like triple a. >> it's a different question of after that, it's something comes up, revealing that you are lateral is not up to code, is it covered by the policy or excluded? i think they just need a list of exclusions which i they have we have. >> i have one comment. the city has the right to pre approve and modify the marketing materials so we're hearing having a clear list of those
exceptions would be something that we required to be included in the marketing materials. that would hopefully address that concern so that consumer purchasing it would have full disclosure of what they are getting or not getting. does that make sense? >> ok. that's one area i had concern. this is not our product but our name is on it and we need to make sure that it's a good deal. having said that, we also need to be very clear that it will be a good deal for some people and not for others. and it's a voluntary program we're not recommending that people do it, at least i'm saying this but tell me if i'm wrong. we're not recommending the people to do it. we're offering it as an extended
warranty. some people buy them and some people don't and it's a personal choice. i think we need to be very clear about that in the marketing materials. you may have given the answer to my second thing which is the exclusions and if we are clear that the exclusions need to be in the marketing materials, then we probably have what we need there. it's my understanding the contract itself doesn't provide for our review of exclusions and contracts terms explicitly. but if we have that as part of the marketing materials, then that should do it. one thing i wanted to make sure, one of the reasons i ask this be put over, i wanted to make sure there was no change in responsibility. the city is responsible for the lower lateral and remains the case after the program is adopted. i wanted to make sure we didn't
have change for who is responsible for what. it brings up another question, you said the public works code is in the process of revision. for those that might affect our customers, would those revision comes to the commission first? >> yes, they will. you are correct, this action today with the insurance program makes zero changes in city ordinance or responsibilities. those are all future actions that will come to the commission. >> ok, good. i think that does it. thank you. >> i have one additional question. and at point of sale, what happens then? does the insurance? >> this does not have a link with point of sale. this is strictly a private transaction between american water resources and the property owner as far as purchasing this insurance. in the future, we anticipate bringing you in the form of the updated lateral ordinance and
quite likely some of those common triggers you may be aware of such as a home sale where you you have a code trigger for inspections and that is not connected with this. >> can you please speak into the mic when you go up. >> sorry about that. this action before you, this is a private transaction between the american water resources of the insurance providers and the property owner and it has no such triggers tired to home sales and it's something we anticipate bringing for your consideration and the future is part of the lateral ordinance update. >> i just wanted to say, this is part of our zooser system improvement program. we realize that the laterals are the first point where we receive flows from the homes and we have
seen in several cases that there have been roots that have cracked the pipes and you get sand. if you look at our digester they're full of sand and sometimes, you know, flows bring sand and go back into the laterals and so we need to pay attention to the laterals and so we felt through this program we'll get more televised laterals so we have better information. the other thing is the whole thing with pg&e gave us a lot of televised laterals but also, the point of sale is when you have a house that is changing hands from one private person to another hopefully it will bring forward a way we tryinger and look at those so we're just trying to be more till general
about making sure the laterals are intact. as we put in new sewer lines, we're looking at the laterals so we're trying to be aggressive and looking at the laterals over all. >> so, if i've lived in my -- if i buy this insurance and i live there for six months, and i've paid my $75 or whatever it is and all of a sudden my lateral busts, there's a tree and i realize there's an issue. do they come in, there's no deductible and they come in and rebuild my lateral? >> yes. you are upper lateral. and is it a maximum pay out? whatever it costs? sips i'm a lateral to a literal, it might be so cheap. >> there's no limit for the cost. >> you know, they can get dicey because the sewer main could be
like eight feet below the surface and just to be clear, if what happened for example you have a blockage they go out and they will determine hey, if it's part of the upper lateral, they will take care of it. if it's part of the lower lateral they will notify us and we will coordinate and do our part like we do now. the one advantage is that the homeowner doesn't have to be involved with who is responsibility because right now, when they have a blockage, they call us and we say oh, is your upper lateral and they call a colombiaer and the plumber said no it's a lower and it goes back and fourth until it's resolved. >> if i were considering buying
insurance and i notice the condition conclusion for out of code construction and i call the p.u.c. to say is my lateral up to code, how would we respond to that? >> >> again, you know, we have not really talked about it. i think the inspection of the lateral is the homeowners' responsibility it's only the repair of the lower lateral. i believe, since i was at d.p.w. city, maybe when the code was written, but anyway, it was not to protect the streets. if you have everyone digging and breaking the con crest for.
how much would it be to guarantee that if you have any issues it would be covered. this is a ball bark and it's many years around the bay area and just getting a cktv inspection from a qualified plumber is probably in the 200 to $400 range to give you a sense. >> does the p.u.c. have a list of referrals or does the insurance company. i have to try and put myself in the position of a customer. not only for the inspection part but also for the repair. i couldn't kno wouldn't know wh. it would be nice to have a list of referrals. like here is a list of qualified plumber. >> the insurance company will develop a local network of licensed plumbers. so they will have a set of plumbers that are ready to go on each one of these things. in the event that they find
there's something that is excluded, it will be up to at least the vetting of that contractor that will be done by the insurance company and th. >> how much is the typical cost? it varies in surprise if you say had a lateral, how much would it cost if you didn't have insurance? >> it was five to $10,000. >> to repair. >> that would be full replacement into the property. for a multi-unit would be the responsibility party and the insurance provided offered to those folks. >> just a resident. it's not commercial.
it's not offered to commercial. >> opportunities. >> yeah. >> two inch water service. >> if you live in an apartment building. >> as long as the water service lateral is smaller. >> it's probably not. >> the individual apartment downer doesn't own any part of the lateral. they just rent. if you were in a condo that shared a meter s. that the same answer? >> it would be either their h.o.a. from a condo and the property owner this would be more applicable. >> this would be? >> this would be available for the property owner and for the actual h.o.a. association. >> ok. >> so then the -- if it was a
condo building, and it would be up to the association to figure out how to figure out costs. >> if it's two inches or less. >> ok. >> if it's more, it's not offered. >> yeah. >> thank you. >> any public comment on this? >> chairwoman: any further discussion? was there a request to continue this item or no? >> no. >> i think what greg pointed out was we want to make sure we list the exclusions. >> in the marketing material. >> we we do have. >> right. >> ok. with that caveat, i'd like to move the item. >> i' i'll second it. >> chairwoman: all those in favor. >> aye. >> opposed. the motion carries. so, we are coming to the very
sustainability mission, even though the bikes are very minimal energy use. it still matters where the energy comes from and also part of the mission in sustainability is how we run everything, run our business. so having the lights come on with clean energy is important to us as well. we heard about cleanpowersf and learned they had commercial rates and signed up for that. it was super easy to sign up. our bookkeeper signed up online, it was like 15 minutes. nothing has changed, except now we have cleaner energy. it's an easy way to align your environmental proclivities and goals around climate change and it's so easy that it's hard to not want to do it, and it doesn't really add anything to the bill.
. >> the san francisco carbon fund was started in 2009. it's basically legislation that was passed by the board of supervisors and the mayor's office for the city of san francisco. they passed legislation that said okay, 13% of the cost of the city air travel is going to go into a fund and we're going to use the money in that fund to do local projects that are going to mitigate and sequester greenhouse gas emission. the grants that we're giving, they're anywhere from 15,000 to, say, $80,000 for a two year grant. i'm shawn rosenmoss. i'm the development of community partnerships and carbon fund for the san francisco department of environment. we have an advisory committee
that meets once or twice a year to talk about, okay, what are we going to fund? because we want to look at things like equity and innovative projects. >> i heard about the carbon fund because i used to work for the department of environment. i'm a school education team. my name is marcus major. i'm a founding member of climate action now. we started in 2011. our main goal it to remove carbon in the public right-of-way on sidewalks to build educational gardens that teach people with climate change. >> if it's a greening grant, 75% of the grant has to go for greening. it has to go for planting trees, it has to go for greening up the pavement, because again, this is about permanent carbon savings.
>> the dinosaur vegetable gardens was chosen because the garden was covered in is afault since 1932. it was the seed funding for this whole project. the whole garden,ible was about 84,000 square feet, and our project, we removed 3,126 square feet of cement. >> we usually issue a greening rft every other year, and that's for projects that are going to dig up pavement, plant trees, community garden, school garden. >> we were awarded $43,000 for this project. the produce that's grown here is consumed all right at large by the school community. in this garden we're growing all kinds of organic vegetables from lettuce, and artichokes. we'll be planting apples and
loquats, all kinds of great fruit and veggies. >> the first project was the dipatch biodiesel producing facility. the reason for that is a lot of people in san francisco have diesel cars that they were operating on biodiesel, and they were having to go over to berkeley. we kind of the dog batch preferentials in the difference between diesel and biodiesel. one of the gardens i love is the pomeroy rec center. >> pomeroy has its roots back to 1952. my name is david, and i'm the chamber and ceo of the pomeroy rehabilitation and recreation center. we were a center for people
with intellectual and development cal disabilities in san francisco san francisco. we also have a program for individuals that have acquired brain injury or traumatic brain injury, and we also have one of the larger after school programs for children with special needs that serves the public school system. the sf carbon fund for us has been the launching pad for an entire program here at the pomeroy center. we received about $15,000. the money was really designed to help us improve our garden by buying plants and material and also some infrastructure like a drip system for plants. we have wine barrels that we repurposed to collect rain water. we actually had removed over 1,000 square feet of concrete so that we could expand the garden.
this is where our participants, they come to learn about gardening. they learn about our work in the greenhouse. we have plants that we actually harvest, and eggs from our chickens that we take up and use in cooking classes so that our participants learn as much as anybody else where food comes from. we have two kitchens here at the pomeroy center. one is more of a commercial kitchen and one is more setup like a home kitchen would be, and in the home kitchen, we do a lot of cooking classes, how to make lasagna, how to comsome eggs, so this grant that we received has tremendous value, not only for our center, for our participants, but the entire community. >> the thing about climate, climate overlaps with everything, and so when we start looking at how we're going to solve climate programs, we solve a lot of
other problems, too. this is a radical project, and to be a part of it has been a real honor and a privilege to work with those administrators with the sf carbon fund at the department of environment. >> san francisco carbon grant to -- for us, opened the door to a new -- a new world that we didn't really have before; that the result is this beautiful garden. >> when you look at the community gardens we planted in schools and in neighborhoods, how many thousands of people now have a fabulous place to walk around and feel safe going outside and are growing their own food. that's a huge impact, and we're just going to keep rolling that out and keep rolling that
>> thank you all for being here so early in the morning. and, i've got to tell you, we're here early because the fire commission has a meeting at 9:0:00 a.m., so this is the best time. nothing is more important to me in the city than public safety. and as a former fire commissioner, i've worked closely with the department on issues impacting our city. as a former supervisor, i saw how critical the department is in responding to fires and emergencies in the district. and as mayor, i see every day the important role that the department plays in keeping our city safe. and i know how critical this department is when a disaster strikes. we have some amazing men and women who go out every single day to protect our
residents and to do the hard work. they run towards the danger. these men and women deserve a leader who has seen what they've seen, who have fought those same fires. who knows what all of them are going through on a day-to-day basis. and i am pleased to announce that i have chosen a leader for the department that has done all of that and more. it is my honor to announce that the next fire chief for the city and county of san francisco will be deputy chief janine nicholson. [applause] [applause] >> chief nicholson is a dedicated public servant and a tremendous leader
and has put her heart into san francisco and the fire department. she has been a firefighter, a paramedic, a lieutenant, a captain, a battalion chief and deputy chief. she will be the second woman to lead this department after chief joanne hayes white, and the first lgbt fire chief in our city's history. [applause] >> she has survived being burned in a fire in 2009. she has survived breast cancer. she has been on the frontline fighting fires, and she has saved lives as a paramedic. she has done the complicated work as a deputy chief to manage multiple divisions. this woman is tough. this woman is resilient. this woman is a leader. and i am confident that
she will lead the department on day one. before bring up deputy chief nicholson to the podium, i want to take this opportunity to recognize our current fire chief, joanne hayes white for her years of service to the city and county of san francisco. [applause] >> thank you, chief, for not only your work as chief over the years, but also your support during this really challenging transition. and i also would like to thank all of the members of our fire commission. we actually have a quorum here today. the number of interviews that they had to do is the number of interviews i never would want to do for any position. but they were absolutely amazing.
president nicoshi, and commissioners, thank you so much for your commitment and the countless hours you spent to help us make the right choice for our next fire chief. i also want to thank so many of the men and women in the department, again, for your role, for your patience, and all of the work that you continue to do to make sure that our department is one of the best in the country. and, i see that tom o'connor is here. i didn't know you would be here? did you fly back from l.a. -- or d.c.? you didn't leave? i want to thank tom o'connor for being here, who was the executive director of the local 798 union. i know sean buford is in d.c. and couldn't be with us. i see sherman tilman with the black firefighters -- so many people who played a role in helping to make
this selection. and the former fire commissioner, thank you so much for being here. this was a very difficult decision to make, and i also want to thank all of the candidates who applied, as well as so many candidates who put countless hours into just really doing the work so that we could vet everyone and make the right decision here. thank you to our elected officials who are here, including the only supervisor who showed up this morning, supervisor walton. [applause] >> treasurer jose, and our city attorney, dennis. we have so many incredible leaders in our city. and now as we move forward to address what we know are serious challenges that we face as a city with public safety, i know we're going to be in good hands with our next fire
chief. ladies and gentlemen, deputy chief janine nicholson. fla[applause] >> good morning, san francisco. i warned the mayor this morning that i'm a hugger, and she didn't want a hug. just give me the stiff arm. i'm good with that. i can respect boundaries. so good morning, everyone. first of all, i'd like to thank mayor breed for this incredible, incredible opportunity and honor. thank you so much. thank you chief hayes white for bringing me into your command staff. and thank you to all of my colleagues, all of you. i am excited to work for the breed administration, which is one of bold new ideas. i am honored to be able to continue to serve the citizens of san francisco.
i am extremely humbled to lead this department and all of our firefighters, e.m.t.s, paramedics, investigators, inspectors, and civilians. one of the things i love about the fire department is that it is always a team effort. i appreciate the hard work you do every single day. 24/7, 365. you are my family. i love this city and this department, and i love being of service. i vow to work hard, to continue to carry out the mission and vision of the san francisco fire department, and to keep moving us forward in a positive way. thank you, all. and, mayor breed, again,
with humility and determination, i accept. now let's get back to work. [applause] >> short and sweet, just the way we like it in the morning. i also want to take this opportunity to recognize our police chief, bill scott, who is here, and our sheriff, vicki hennessey. thank you both for joining us this morning. at this time, i would like to give our chief, joanne hayes white, an opportunity to say a few words. >> thank you, mayor breed. good morning, everyone. this will be even shorter and much sweeter. i'm thrilled to be here. i wanted to acknowledge mayor breed for her emphasis always and prioritization of public safety of first responders and the critical role that they play in our city. so thank you for that. and i'm also here to offer my heartiest
congratulations to janine nicholson. she has worked diligently in over 25 years with the san francisco fire department. she gets the importance of teamwork, which is what we're all about. within our department and working with other city agencies. and i was really proud last year to promote her to deputy chief of of administration, where i think on top of her excellent career, she got a taste of what it is like to work and juggle different priorities. and you shined in that role. so i wholeheartedly endorse mayor breed's selection. and i wanted to acknowledge the fire commission and the panel that worked to select our new fire chief. we both guarantee, chief nicholson and i, a very smooth transition. i'm here working and i'll finish strong. i know nothing different. the next five to se six weeks will be a period of transition. chief nicholson and i will be working shoulder to shoulder to make sure this city is protected and
safe. and that's what we commit to, and that's what the city deserves. thank you very much. and also to the command staff, everybody stand up that is here, that actually works in the fire department. tom sherman, olivia -- this is part of the team. thank you very much. deputy chief gonzales over there. and thank you to chief scott and sheriff hennessey and other department heads that are here as well. good morning, and have a great day. >> thank you, chief. and the folks who actually, again, did a lot of the heavy lifting, with the countless numbers of interviews was our fire commission, starting with president king cleveland -- when king cleveland served as president, and steve nicoshio carrying on that legacy. i wanted to ask our president of the san francisco fire commissioner, steve, to say a few words, please.
[applause] >> thank you very much, mayor breed. we, on behalf of the fire commission, and cleveland commissioner, and covington commission, and commissioner hartiman, express our support. congratulations, chief nicholson. at this point, as well, we want to thank and appreciate the 15 years of service that joanne hayes white has served this great city. we are looking forward to working together to accomplish what we need to do. we are the fire department, we save lives, we respond to emergencies. we ensure that the buildings in san francisco are safe, and we make sure that our duties and staff are well-kept. thank you very much, mayor breed, for this.
congratulations, and as we say, let's get working. thank you. [applause] >> all right. that concludes our press conference. there will be a swearing in at a later date. you all will be invited. i'm really excited about this, along with so many other incredible things happening in san francisco. thank you all for taking your morning to be here. and, again, congratulations to our new fire chief. and we will be happy to take questions on the side from the press. that concludes the press conference today. thank you. [applause]
that shows what it's like in a home in san francisco after an earthquake. one of the major issues that we are going to face after earthquakes are fire hazard. we are happy to have the fire marshall join us today. >> thank you. my pleasure. >> we talk about the san francisco earthquake that was a fire that mostly devastated the city. how do we avoid that kind of problem. how can we reduce fire hazard? >> the construction was a lot different. we don't expect what we had then. we want to make sure with the gas heaters that the gas is shut off. >> if you shut it off you are going to have no hot water or heat. be careful not to shut it off unless you smell gas.
>> absolutely because once you do shut it off you should have the utility company come in and turn it back on. here is a mock up of a gas hear the on a house. where would we find the gas meter? >> it should be in your garage. everyone should be familiar with where the gas meter is. >> one of the tools is a wrench, a crescent wrench. >> yes. the crescent wrench is good and this is a perfect example of how to have it so you can loosen it up and use it when you need it. >> okay. let's go inside to talk about fire safety. many of the issues here relate to fire, for example, we have a
little smoke detector and i see you brought one here, a carbon monoxide smoke detector. >> this is a combination of smoke and carbon monoxide detector. they are required in single homes now and in apartment buildings. if gas appliance is not burning properly this will alert you before the fumes buildup and will affect you negatively. >> this is a battery powered? >> this is a battery powered and it has a 10 year battery life. a lot of times you may have one or the other. if you put in just a carbon monoxide detector, it's important to have one of these too. every house should have a fire
extinguisher, yes. >> one thing people expect to do when the power goes out after an earthquake about using candles. what would you recommend? >> if you have a battery operated candle would be better to use. this kind of a candle, you wouldn't want it in an area where it can cause a fire or aftershock that it doesn't rollover. you definitely want to have this in a non-combustible surface. >> now, here we have our stove. after a significant earthquake we expect that we may have gas disrupted and so without gas in your home, how are you going to cook? >> well, i wouldn't recommend
cooking inside of the house. you have to go outside and use a portable stove or something else. >> so it wouldn't be safe to use your fireplace to cook? >> not at first. you should check it by a professional first. >> outside should be a safe place to cook as long as you stay away from buildings and doors and windows. >> yes. that will be fine. >> here we have some alternative cooking areas. >> you can barbecue and if you have a regular propane bark could barbecue.
>> thank you for joining us. and thanks for this terrific space that you have in this exhibition space and thanks for helping san francisco stay safe. better. san francisco department of environment is a place where climate hits the street. we know that we don't have all the answers. we need to support our local champions, our local community to find creative solutions and innovations that help us get to zero waste. >> zero waste is sending nothing to landfill or incineration, using reuse and recovery and prevention as ways to achieve zero waste.
the grant program is a grant program specifically for nonprofits in san francisco to divert material from landfill. it's important to find the san francisco produce market because there's a lot of edible food that can be diverted and they need positions to capture that food and focus on food recovery. >> san francisco produce market is a resource that connects farmers and their produce with businesses in the bay area. i think it's a basic human right to have access to healthy foods, and all of this food here is available. it's a matter of creating the infrastructure, creating jobs, and the system whereby none of this goes to waste. since the beginning of our program in july 2016 to date, we've donated over 1 million
pounds of produce to our community partners, and that's resulted in over 900,000 meals to people in our community, which we're very proud of. >> carolyn at the san francisco produce market texts with old produce that's available. the produce is always excellent. we get things like broccoli, brussels sprouts, bell peppers. everything that we use is nice and fresh, so when our clients get it, they really enjoy it, and it's important to me to feel good about what i do, and working in programs such as this really provides that for me. it's helping people. that's what it's really about, and i really enjoy that. >> the work at the produce market for me representing the intersection between environment and community, and when we are
>> good afternoon, work to the san francisco planning commission hearing for march 14, 2019. please silence any mobile devices. and when speaking, please state your name fort record. before i take roll, i would ask those members of the public standing in front of the entry and exit doors, you're causing a fire hazard. please find a seat. i see available seats in the audience. take roll. president melgar? >> here. vice president koppel? here. commissioner hillis? here. we do expect commissioner richards. consideration of items for