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sheriff's fault they shutdown city hall. that is completely irrelevant. it doesn't matter who was responsible for city hall being shut downdown. by the way, we would like someone to reveal who gave that order which is still a secret. but the law is that you made a decision during a shutdown at city hall. that's a violation -- >> thank you. >> -- of the sunshine task force. >> thank you. i will say that the commission at that time received advice from the city attorney's office that there was no violation of the brown act or the sunshine ordinance. any other public comment? >> did we get a letter or something? >> i would like to see this new -- >> i didn't say it was a letter. and the advice given --. >> the letter you referenceed?
i didn't get a letter. >> i didn't get a copy this morning. >> i didn't receive it. >> we're not supposed to have a back and forth like this because it is not an agenda item. >> and ask the staff if there is a letter to see -- >> they are usually pretty good. >> did it come in the email today? >> an any other public comment? >> forward it to us. >> my other public comment? >> hearing none, public comment is closed. next item. >> line item 6, public comment on all matters pertaining to item 8 below, closed session, including public comment on item 7, vote whether to hold item 8 in closed session. >> u an any public comment on items eight or seven? hearing none, comment is closed. >> a next item. >> vote on whether to hold item 8 in closed sepgs, san francisco
my name is doctor ellen moffett, i am an assistant medical examiner for the city and county of san francisco. i perform autopsy, review medical records and write reports. also integrate other sorts of testing data to determine cause and manner of death. i have been here at this facility since i moved here in november, and previous to that at the old facility. i was worried when we moved here that because this building is so much larger that i wouldn't see people every day. i would miss my personal interactions with the other employees, but that hasn't been the case. this building is very nice.
we have lovely autopsy tables and i do get to go upstairs and down stairs several times a day to see everyone else i work with. we have a bond like any other group of employees that work for a specific agency in san francisco. we work closely on each case to determine the best cause of death, and we also interact with family members of the diseased. that brings us closer together also. >> i am an investigator two at the office of the chief until examiner in san francisco. as an investigator here i investigate all manners of death that come through our jurisdiction. i go to the field interview police officers, detectives, family members, physicians, anyone who might be involved with the death. additionally i take any property with the deceased individual and take care and custody of that. i maintain the chain and custody
for court purposes if that becomes an issue later and notify next of kin and make any additional follow up phone callsness with that particular death. i am dealing with people at the worst possible time in their lives delivering the worst news they could get. i work with the family to help them through the grieving process. >> i am ricky moore, a clerk at the san francisco medical examiner's office. i assist the pathology and toxicology and investigative team around work close with the families, loved ones and funeral establishment. >> i started at the old facility. the building was old, vintage. we had issues with plumbing and things like that. i had a tiny desk. i feet very happy to be here in the new digs where i actually have room to do my work.
>> i am sue pairing, the toxicologist supervisor. we test for alcohol, drugs and poisons and biological substances. i oversee all of the lab operations. the forensic operation here we perform the toxicology testing for the human performance and the case in the city of san francisco. we collect evidence at the scene. a woman was killed after a robbery homicide, and the dna collected from the zip ties she was bound with ended up being a cold hit to the suspect. that was the only investigative link collecting the scene to the suspect. it is nice to get the feedback. we do a lot of work and you don't hear the result. once in a while you heard it had an impact on somebody.
you can bring justice to what happened. we are able to take what we due to the next level. many of our counterparts in other states, cities or countries don't have the resources and don't have the beautiful building and the equipmentness to really advance what we are doing. >> sometimes we go to court. whoever is on call may be called out of the office to go to various portions of the city to investigate suspicious deaths. we do whatever we can to get our job done. >> when we think that a case has a natural cause of death and it turns out to be another natural cause of death. unexpected findings are fun. >> i have a prior background in law enforcement. i was a police officer for 8 years. i handled homicides and
suicides. i had been around death investigation type scenes. as a police officer we only handled minimal components then it was turned over to the coroner or the detective division. i am intrigued with those types of calls. i wondered why someone died. i have an extremely supportive family. older children say, mom, how was your day. i can give minor details and i have an amazing spouse always willing to listen to any and all details of my day. without that it would be really hard to deal with the negative components of this job. >> being i am a native of san francisco and grew up in the community. i come across that a lot where i may know a loved one coming from the back way or a loved one seeking answers for their
deceased. there are a lot of cases where i may feel affected by it. if from is a child involved or things like that. i try to not bring it home and not let it affect me. when i tell people i work at the medical examiners office. whawhat do you do? the autopsy? i deal with the a with the enou- with the administrative and the families. >> most of the time work here is very enjoyable. >> after i started working with dead people, i had just gotten married and one night i woke up in a cold sweat. i thought there was somebody dead? my bed. i rolled over and poked the body. sure enough, it was my husband who grumbled and went back to sleep. this job does have lingering
effects. in terms of why did you want to go into this? i loved science growing up but i didn't want to be a doctor and didn't want to be a pharmacist. the more i learned about forensics how interested i was of the perfect combination between applied science and criminal justice. if you are interested in finding out the facts and truth seeking to find out what happened, anybody interested in that has a place in this field. >> being a woman we just need to go for it and don't let anyone fail you, you can't be. >> with regard to this position in comparison to crime dramas out there, i would say there might be some minor correlations. let's face it, we aren't hollywood, we are real world. yes we collect evidence.
we want to preserve that. we are not scanning fingerprints in the field like a hollywood television show. >> families say thank you for what you do, for me that is extremely fulfilling. somebody has to do my job. if i can make a situation that is really negative for someone more positive, then i feel like i am doing the right thing for the city of san francisco. we spoke with people regardless of what they are. that is when you see change. that is a lead vannin advantage. so law enforcement assistance diversion to work
with individuals with nonviolent related of offenses to offer an alternative to an arrest and the county jail. >> we are seeing reduction in drug-related crimes in the pilot area. >> they have done the program for quite a while. they are successful in reducing the going to the county jail. >> this was a state grant that we applied for. the department is the main administrator. it requires we work with multiple agencies. we have a community that includes the da, rapid transit police and san francisco sheriff's department and law enforcement agencies, public defender's office and adult probation to work together to look at the population that ends
up in criminal justice and how they will not end up in jail. >> having partners in the nonprofit world and the public defender are critical to the success. we are beginning to succeed because we have that cooperation. >> agencies with very little connection are brought together at the same table. >> collaboration is good for the department. it gets us all working in the same direction. these are complex issues we are dealing with. >> when you have systems as complicated as police and health and proation and jails and nonprofits it requires people to come to work together so everybody has to put their egos at the door. we have done it very, very well. >> the model of care where
police, district attorney, public defenders are community-based organizations are all involved to worked towards the common goal. nobody wants to see drug users in jail. they want them to get the correct treatment they need. >> we are piloting lead in san francisco. close to civic center along market street, union plaza, powell street and in the mission, 16th and mission. >> our goal in san francisco and in seattle is to work with individuals who are cycling in and out of criminal justice and are falling through the cracks and using this as intervention to address that population and the racial disparity we see. we want to focus on the mission
in tender loan district. >> it goes to the partners that hired case managers to deal directly with the clients. case managers with referrals from the police or city agencies connect with the person to determine what their needs are and how we can best meet those needs. >> i have nobody, no friends, no resources, i am flat-out on my own. i witnessed women getting beat, men getting beat. transgenders getting beat up. i saw people shot, stabbed. >> these are people that have had many visits to the county jail in san francisco or other institutions. we are trying to connect them with the resources they need in the community to break out of that cycle. >> all of the referrals are
coming from the law enforcement agency. >> officers observe an offense. say you are using. it is found out you are in possession of drugs, that constituted a lead eligible defense. >> the officer would talk to the individual about participating in the program instead of being booked into the county jail. >> are you ever heard of the leads program. >> yes. >> are you part of the leads program? do you have a case worker? >> yes, i have a case manager. >> when they have a contact with a possible lead referral, they give us a call. ideally we can meet them at the scene where the ticket is being issued. >> primarily what you are talking to are people under the influence of drugs but they will all be nonviolent. if they were violent they wouldn't qualify for lead. >> you think i am going to get
arrested or maybe i will go to jail for something i just did because of the substance abuse issues i am dealing with. >> they would contact with the outreach worker. >> then glide shows up, you are not going to jail. we can take you. let's meet you where you are without telling you exactly what that is going to look like, let us help you and help you help yourself. >> bring them to the community assessment and services center run by adult probation to have assessment with the department of public health staff to assess the treatment needs. it provides meals, groups, there are things happening that make it an open space they can access. they go through detailed assessment about their needs and how we can meet those needs. >> someone who would have
entered the jail system or would have been arrested and book order the charge is diverted to social services. then from there instead of them going through that system, which hasn't shown itself to be an effective way to deal with people suffering from suable stance abuse issues they can be connected with case management. they can offer services based on their needs as individuals. >> one of the key things is our approach is client centered. hall reduction is based around helping the client and meeting them where they are at in terms of what steps are you ready to take? >> we are not asking individuals to do anything specific at any point in time. it is a program based on whatever it takes and wherever it takes. we are going to them and working with them where they feel most comfortable in the community. >> it opens doors and they get
access they wouldn't have had otherwise. >> supports them on their goals. we are not assigning goals working to come up with a plan what success looks like to them. >> because i have been in the field a lot i can offer different choices and let them decide which one they want to go down and help them on that path. >> it is all on you. we are here to guide you. we are not trying to force you to do what you want to do or change your mind. it is you telling us how you want us to help you. >> it means a lot to the clients to know there is someone creative in the way we can assist them. >> they pick up the phone. it was a blessing to have them when i was on the streets. no matter what situation, what pay phone, cell phone, somebody else's phone by calling them they always answered.
>> in office-based setting somebody at the reception desk and the clinician will not work for this population of drug users on the street. this has been helpful to see the outcome. >> we will pick you up, take you to the appointment, get you food on the way and make sure your needs are taken care of so you are not out in the cold. >> first to push me so i will not be afraid to ask for help with the lead team. >> can we get you to use less and less so you can function and have a normal life, job, place to stay, be a functioning part of the community. it is all part of the home reduction model. you are using less and you are allowed to be a viable member of the society. this is an important question
where lead will go from here. looking at the data so far and seeing the successes and we can build on that and as the department based on that where the investments need to go. >> if it is for five months. >> hopefully as final we will come up with a model that may help with all of the communities in the california. >> i want to go back to school to start my ged and go to community clean. >> it can be somebody scaled out. that is the hope anyway. >> is a huge need in the city. depending on the need and the data we are getting we can definitely see an expansion. >> we all hope, obviously, the program is successful and we can implement it city wide. i think it will save the county millions of dollars in emergency services, police services, prosecuting services. more importantly, it will save
the food issue. >> open the door and walk through that don't just stand looking out. >> as they grew up in in a how would that had access to good food and our parent cooked this is how you feed yours this is not happening in our country this is a huge pleasure i'm david one of the co-founder so about four year ago we worked with the serviced and got to know the kid one of the things we figured out was that they didn't know how to cook. >> i heard about the cooking school through the larkin academy a. >> their noting no way to feed themselves so they're eating a lot of fast food and i usually
eat whatever safeway is near my home a lot of hot food i was excited that i was eating lunch enough instead of what and eat. >> as i was inviting them over teaching them basic ways to fix good food they were so existed. >> particle learning the skills and the food they were really go it it turned into the is charity foundation i ran into my friend we were talking about this this do you want to run this charity foundations and she said, yes. >> i'm a co-found and executive director for the cooking project our best classes participation for 10 students are monday
they're really fun their chief driven classes we have a different guest around the city they're our stand alone cola's we had a series or series still city of attorney's office style of classes our final are night life diners. >> santa barbara shall comes in and helps us show us things and this is one the owners they help us to socialize and i've been here about a year. >> we want to be sure to serve as many as we can. >> the san francisco cooking school is an amazing amazing partner. >> it is doing that in that space really elevates the space for the kids special for the chief that make it easy for them to come and it really makes the
experience pretty special. >> i'm sutro sue set i'm a chief 2, 3, 4 san francisco. >> that's what those classes afford me the opportunity it breakdown the barriers and is this is not scary this is our choice about you many times this is a feel good what it is that you give them is an opportunity you have to make it seem like it's there for them for the taking show them it is their and they can do that. >> hi, i'm antonio the chief in san francisco. >> the majority of kids at that age in order to get them into food they need to see something simple and the evidence will show and easy to produce i want to make sure that people can do it with a bowl and spoon and
burner and one pan. >> i like is the receipts that are simple and not feel like it's a burden to make foods the cohesives show something eased. >> i go for vera toilet so someone can't do it or its way out of their range we only use 6 ingredients i can afford 6 ingredient what good is showing you them something they can't use but the sovereignties what are you going to do more me you're not successful. >> we made a vegetable stir-fry indicators he'd ginger and onion that is really affordable how to balance it was easy to make the
food we present i loved it if i having had access to a kitchen i'd cook more. >> some of us have never had a kitchen not taught how to cookie wasn't taught how to cook. >> i have a great appreciation for programs that teach kids food and cooking it is one of the healthiest positive things you can communicate to people that are very young. >> the more programs like the cooking project in general that can have a positive impact how our kids eat is really, really important i believe that everybody should venting to utilize the kitchen and meet other kids their age to identify they're not alone and
their ways in which to pick yours up and move forward that. >> it is really important to me the opportunity exists and so i do everything in my power to keep it that. >> we'll have our new headquarters in the heart of the tenderloin at taylor and kushlg at the end of this summer 2014 we're really excited. >> a lot of the of the conditions in san francisco they have in the rest of the country so our goal to 257bd or expand out of the san francisco in los angeles and then after that who know. >> we'd never want to tell people want to do or eat only provide the skills and the tools in case that's something people are 2rrd in doing. >> you can't buy a box of psyche you have to put them in
the right vein and direction with the right kids with a right place address time those kids don't have this you have to instill they can do it they're good enough now to finding out figure out and find the future for >> when speaking before the commission, if you care to do, state your name for the record. i'd like to take roll at this time. [roll call] >> we expect commissioner pearllan to be absent today. i have no speaker cards for general comment. >> any member of the public wish to address the
commission on a non-agenda item. close public comment. >> good afternoon, commissioners, department staff, no director's report. >> item two. >> good afternoon, commissioners, a few items to share with you. yesterday the board of supervisors unanimously denied the sequa appeal for the eight unit project at 3620 buchanan street, and you issued a certificate of appropriateness associated with this. the main appeal issues were related to the potential for public exposure to hazardous materials, and inconsistency with the zoning regulations, including rear yard modification. the staff explained why the project was appropriately exempt from environmental review under sequa, and they addressed
questions from supervisors peskin and stefani, with relation to the garden and the garden structure. the commission -- or the board unanimously denied that sequa appeal, however, there are still other appeal opportunities once the building permit is filed and issued. two other short announcements. last week palar valley gave an informational presentation at the planning commission regarding the city wide survey. over all it went very well. the commission is supportive of this commission's desire to move quickly in completing the city-wide survey, and certainly supports a budget increase for the department to achieve that goal. and then we will also be providing an informational
presentation to the board of supervisors this monday, which i believe president hyde will also been in attendance. that concludes my report. >> was there one with a potting shed? >> it was with a garden structure on the site. yep. >> if there is nothinged further, commissioners, we can move on to item three, president's report and announcements. >> i just add on to what mr. frye was speaking to. we're going to rules on monday with regard to getting support for our city-wide survey. i think the message that is important is while we do want to understand what resources, historic resources we have in the city, more importantly, if we want to speed up housing, identifying those properties that are not resources, and therefore able to get those entitlements done quicker is really the message we're going to convey.
>> very good, commissioners. item four, consideration of adoption draft minutes for the a.r.c. meeting of march 6th, and the regular hearing of april 3, 2019. i have no speaker cards. >> any member of the public wish to comments on the minutes for the a.r.c.? close public comment. bring it back to the commission. >> i make a motion to adopt the minutes. >> chairman: the motion to adopt the minutes... [roll call] >> chairwoman>> chairman: the mn passes unanimously, 6-0. item five, commissioner comments and questions. >> commissioner matsuta? >> i just have [indiscernable]. i just have a comment, thank you, mr. onen, for
forwarding the e-mail from director ram this monday about the racial and social equity training. i'm glad there was 100% participation from staff. i just want to encourage this commission to support a joint one-day hearing that they're proposing for june 27th, off-site. and let's see, what else. i don't know if you're schedules allow it, but it is a thursday. i think that is the day, right, jonas, that the planning commission usually meets? >> it is a special planning commission hearing date. we still haven't heard back from everyone. >> thank you. >> chairman: thank you. any other commissioners? >> i responded yes on that joint hearing. whatever can be most efficient for the staff, we can all meet on the same day. >> and i think it would be
good to have that with the planning commission. >> great. >> i also responded yes, for the one day. >> great. thank you. >> chairman: seeing nothing further, commissioners, we can move on to the regular calendar. item six, case 2017, 00457, for the farrell street project. this is for your review and comment. >> good afternoon, commissioners. planning department staff. the planning department and project sponsor are requesting review and comment before the h.b.c. regarding the draft preservation alternative. as you may know, this is the first time we're taking alternative to the full h.p.c., rather than just the a.r.c., to get input from all of the commissioners prior to publishing the draft e.i. r. this change in procedure is as a result of the joint hearing between the h.p.c. and the planning
commissioner. when commissioners expressed input early on. the subject property is located on the north side of farrell street, in the tenderloin neighborhood,and contains a two-story parking lot that was completed in 1924. the building is designed in the gothic style by william crem, jr. the rectangular building is a reinforced concrete construction with a roof that is masted entirely. the primary facade faces farrell street, and resembles ashland masonry. on the first floor, the western most bay includes an aluminum starfront. two roll-up garage doors, and the remaining contain aluminum windows. decorative panels are
located between the first and second floors. the second floor features shallow arched opening -- >> s.f. gov, can you go to the computer, please. >> oh, there is a picture of it. the second floor features shallow arched openings with lum aluminum slider windows. and there is concrete walls and columns, and exposed wood tresses on the top level. the subject property is individually eligible for listing under criteria three. designed by william crem, jr., who is generally regarded as a master in the field of architecture. the subject property is also a contributor to the uptown tenderloin national register historic district, listed under
a.n.c., for its association with the development of hotel and apartment life in san francisco. the historic district is also listed own criteria "c" for distinctive lists of building sites. the period of significance for this district is 1906 to 1932. 550 farrell has seen little construction since 1924, the most notable is window replacement and the front of the commercial front. there is a low-scale, two-story massing, and five bays separated by. >piers. and there is wood trusts with roof system, and it looks like ashland masonry. large openings on the first floor. and arched windows on the second floor.
it also includes decorative panels, a balcony with o.g. arches, and a row of attached gargoyles with panels. the subject property is also a contributor to the district. which has the following features: 37 story building height, as well as at building types that support residential life. they're usually constructed of brick or reinforced concrete, and they feature bay windows, with double hung windows in earlier windows and en okay windows in the later buildings. other decorative features, buildings that occupy the entire width of the lot. and two to three vertical
compositions. planning staff find that because the proposed project would demolish the subject property, it would cause a diverse impact. and alternatives would need to be repaired as part of the e.i.r. here are just a few more images of the general register of the national historic direct. and this presentation will be followed by a more detailed description of the proposed project, along with the draft preservation alternative. so i'm going to turn it over to brick and page and turnbull. >> good afternoon. steve adel on behalf of the project sponsor. before matt convin does a presentation, i wanted to let you know what the objective of the project's sponsor are when we embarked on this endeavor. the objective is to maximum housing
development on this site. the maximum we can do is 113 units, and there are 113 units proposed. it's the highest inclusionary requirement of any zoning district in san francisco. so a very high, which is 28 affordable units at no cost to the city. the other objective that the project sponsor cast the architect with was to design a project that was compatible with the uptown tenderloin districts. i'll turn it over to mr. convin to describe the design and the intents of the design. thank you. >> good afternoon, i'm matt convin for brick. i'm happy to be here. i want to briefly describe the cause because it fits in the preservation alternatives that we're studying as part of this project. what you see on the
korean, i don't know if you can the result of work in comment that we already received from the p.p.a. that we submitted previously. and the goal with this project is to create a building that fits within the character of the tenderloin district. so the use of heavy punch windows and heavy corner slides and an arch is present in the design. the materials are of a pre-cast concrete, metal panel and glass wall. the tower is pushed to the street as a result of our design work and comment from the p.p.a. to get the bulk of the tower to the street away from the rear yard setback, and the sculpting of the tower is allowed to align with the
light wells adjacent buildings to keep daylight and fresh air to the adjacent buildings. this is a typical plan of the tower, where you can see the light wells on the east and west side of the building have been honored with center core, which allows that to be kept. the project is 113 units, as steve has said. it is 130 feet tall. there is a small amount of retail on the ground floor. there are 23 parking spaces,and there is no further excavation than what is already with the existing basement of the existing building. >> and i'll just set up some of the challenges in the process of the pressiopreservation alternative. the existing building was designed as a parking garage, and it has got six levels. they step up in the rear of the site. the middle of the building is where that stepping happens. so this building also has
ramps on both sides of the building, and so it is very difficult, actually, to alter the use of this residential uses. it makes it a very difficult proposition. we can build above it, certainly. but reusing the inside of the building for housing is a very difficult proposition, given also just the exiting requirements of housing, with the ramps, keeping this as a parking garage use will be very difficult. reutilizing the floor plates for housing would also be difficult. you'll see and we'll further describe that page and turnbull talks about the alternative that we were able to incorporate is the exhibit here, where we keep half of the building, the front half, and we demolish the back half so we can meet the floor plates of the front half. and that does allow us to get units on one level of
the existing building, and then two above, which is, you know, difficult to do, for sure, but it would definitely be the intent to not only keep the facade, but some amount of the interior as well. and then the two parcel preservation alternatives is keeping the historic facade on the building that you'll see described in a moment, has two alternatives, and that's largely just the location of the tower. and i just wanted to have this slide that briefly describes, if the tower is pushed up to o'farrell street, it does allow for a compliant rear-yard setback of 34 feet. if we set the tower back from the street, which i know is sometimes seen as a nice way of kind of drawing a clear line between the historic facade and the new building -- if we go
20 feet, it creates a 14-foot rear-yard setback, and as a code, we can get openings for it' the units in the back, but it does start to push the building back towards our rear neighbor, which is not ideal. and with that, i will let kathryn come up. >> hello. my name is kit kathryn wallace, and i'm at page and turnbull, and i'll be talking about the alternatives that were discussed with the project sponsor and brick. this provides a comparison between the proposed project, the full preservation alternative, and two partial preservation alternatives. there are several aspects that are consistent amongst all three alternatives. all propose ground level commercial and upper-level residential uses, and all retain the historic
primary facade. all include new construction, designed with modern materials, including pre-cast concrete, metal paneling, and stone cladding. i will now walk through the main distinctive two preservation alternatives. the full preservation alternative would involve retaining the front half, approximately 16,100 square feet of the existing parking garage. new commercial and residential uses in the front half of the building would require the removal of the existing vehicular circulation ramps. and a new two-story structure would be constructed and set back 30 feet. the rear half of the existing building would be demolished to accommodate the revision. it would include 30 residential units, six studios, 12 one-day units,
and six three bedroom units. the reinforced create construction and arched wood construction would be partially retained, and all other characterizing features would be fully retained. partial preservation alternative one would involved the construction of the 13-story building with the setback from the primary facade. it would significantly alter the building's especially relationships. the character defining masting would not be retained, but all other character-defining features would be retained. the partial preservation
alternative two would involve the construction of a new 13-story building, flush with the historic primary facade. the building's character defining massing would not be retained, but all other remaining characters would be retained. and like alternative one, it would specifically alter the relationships with the building's environment. so both would accommodate considerable more affordable residential units, compared to the full preservation alternative. the mix for the partial preservation alternatives would mirror that of the proposed project. 83 one-bedroom units, six two-brookbedroom units. please refer to your
package for the units. thank you. >> just as a final note at the end of the memo that we drafted, we do have some more specific considerations for you to look at and comment on. >> and under the requested actions. on page six. [inaudible] >> i can just reiterate some of the questions that we had. so on page six, you'll see under the requested actions, we have some questions with the massing of the addition in the full preservation alternative, be increased and still be in conformance with the secretary of the interior standards.
should the partial and preservation alternatives one and two retain a portion of the interior space, and lastly any other suggestions you have for alternatives that the department and the project sponsors should consider. >> chairman: great. why don't we -- >> i have a question and then we'll go to public comment. my question is -- well, i have two questions, actually. one is: do the partial prepreservations i imagine do not reduce the -- >> i would say that the partial preservation alternatives would not reduce the impacts. >> do we need to have partial preservation alternatives, or just the full preservation alternatives? is there any -- >> i would say under sequa, it is not a. >> richard: requirements, but to
describe a partial and full preservation alternative. >> okay. thank you. >> chairman: why don't we open up public comment. any member of the public wish to speak to this item? okay. let's close public comment and bring it back to the commission. i just wanted to get a little frame here. this is the first project that we're seeing ahead of the a.r.c., and in attempting to be more communicative with the planning commission, they're looking to us to really articulate what our concerns are, both with the proposed project as well as the alternatives. we're not here to redesign it, so to speak, but if there is a concern -- and we can even -- if we have a preferred project, one of the two preservation alternatives -- this project is not article 10
or 11, and that's why it is coming before us in this capacity. had it fallen under article 10 or 11, then we would be able to actually influence some of the design, but we can communicate some of those concerns if we have them. >> i have a few things to say. first of all, i would say the value of the historic building, i think, is mostly because of its being a contributor to the tenderloin historic district, kind of as a background building. it is a good example of gothic revival architecture. it is okay. if you look at it and analyze it -- like they did this building and stuck a bunch of gar gargoyles on it. i wouldn't say it was extremely thought-provoking or very impactfully example of gothic revival architecture. i think it is unlikely for the architecture, that anyone is going to be
tying themselves to the barricades here. i think as a contributor to the district, it does provide some sorts of general character to the district. so it is kind of a background building. i think that context is important because when we're conveying information to the planning department, i think as a commission i think it is important to have some sense of more relative value because you could say, well, it is an historic resource, and all of the historic resources are the same, but i don't think that is necessarily the case. my second point of view is: i don't think we need the third -- or the second preservation alternative two. i don't really see the point of that one. so i don't think it provides any benefit. benefit as a study. i would ditch the one that puts the building on top of the facade. if we want to have the second one, there it is. i think the material they provided is more detailed
than we usually get, so i really appreciate the amount of study that went into these. they seem like they're realistic alternatives. so i appreciate that. but i would be fine with not having preservation alternative two -- partial preservation alternative two. >> the alternative two -- >> i would only have the full, the partial one, and then not do the two, which is basically just the facade. i don't think it has any preservation attributes, and it would not be, i think, a very successful example of what we want to promote for preservation of the city. the partial one, at least because of the setback, you can say, it is not great, but... >> i would be interested to know how the retention policy -- the historic material retention policy would be applied to this project. let's continue on. commissioner johns. >> i potentially agree
with what commissioner wol wolfrin. i thought there was a second alternative because we always have two alternatives. that's what i thought. i thought it was probably not worth the time and money it is took to create it. but now as to alternative one, i thought that that has some merit. of course, that is consistent with the fact that i tend to like preserve facades more than, perhaps, others on this commission do. i might as well just be honest about it. i thought in all respects, the thing was adequately identified, the issues. but i did like alternative one. >> chairman: commissioner black. >> yes. i agree that it is not a
superb example of its type, but i do think that it's a reasonable and nice example of a parking garage of this era. and it gives a sense of the street scape at the time. the whole street scape gives a sense of the street scape at the time. i'm inclined to support alternative one for the same reasons that have been expressed. it allows the street scape to still hold the neighborhood, but allows the 113 units -- i realize that the configuration is different. i think in important that we retain good examples of what they are, and this is, i believe, one of those good examples of
parking garage of that era. i don't have any concerns about losing the ramps and the tress structure, other than they're nice features, but they're not seen by very many people, and certainly the need for housing outweighs the trusses. i want to commend the team for doing a high number of inclusionary housing. even though that is not exactly under our purview. >> i had one other comment. in response to the questioning, could the massing of the full preservation still be increased and still be in conformance wi with the standards. i believi think because the lots so deep, you could set another two stories on top because it would be back
75 feet from the front. you've got in the section, on page 32, you could have probably until column line maybe -- i think you could have at least one, maybe two stories, that came up to column line four that were sort of back here, and still be sort of in conformance with the standards. you really would not see that at all from the street. i think you could get more in the full preservation alternative by have another two stories that were really set back further again. maybe they're set back where you've got the first setback and the second setback, and it would be another setback. so it would be about 60 feet back from the front or something. >> chairman: commissioner? >> i must say, i am taken with the whole package, without any alternatives. i know what you're saying, commissioner wolfrin,