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issued. if the work is not completed within 12 weeks of the date of the permit issued to correct the matter, then the penalties will be collected. we have the ability to waive the penalties if the work is completed within 12 weeks. >> it will be collected between the time of the issuance date to 12 weeks later. >> it would start assessing on the date that the corrective permit is issued and if the department would wave the penalties if the work is completed within 12 weeks. >> i think commissioner lazarus is proposing from the date. >> no, from the date the board issues the decision and order. penalties on the date of the
notice of decision order and if work is not completed within 12 weeks it would be collected. >> the motion. >> can we clarify what does completion of work mean? >> for me issuance of the cfc. >> final inspection by the defendant of building inspection. >> do we have to grant the appeal. >> grant appeal and find he did not impose this timeline the zoning administrator. >> amend notice of violation. >> we would support the motion. >> that is my motion. >> i will try to repeat. we have a motion by commissioner
lazarus to grant the appeal and amends the notice of violation on the basis the zoning administratorrerred in mott impose -- in not imposing penalties. >> continue. >> if the permit holder does not obtain a cfc within 12 weeks of permit issuance, penalties will start accruing on the date the permit is issued collected if not completed in 12 weeks of issuance at $250 per day. >> i don't know if the permit. >> retroactive to when the permit is issued.
>> abuse of discretion. >> that is less harsh tha than. >> under 176c. >> what are you saying? are you adding more. >> certain factors that the zoning administrator and board are to consider in reevaluating these cases. >> it com ports wit com come 17. commissioner honda, commissioner o tanner. >> that carries. >> with the decision as amended.
for thursday, may 16, 2019. i would like to remind members of the public that the commission does not tolerate any disruption or outbursts of any kind. please silence your mobile devices during these proceedings, and when speaking before the commission, if you care to, state your name for the record. i would like to take roll at this time. [roll call] >> we do expect commissioner coppel to be absent today. there is continuance, item 11, the use authorization is proposed for continuance to may 23rd, and i have no other items for continuance, and i have no speaker cards. >> okay.
anybody have public comment on this item. with that, public comment is closed. commissioner hillis? >> moved to continue. >> second. >> thank you. on that motion to continue item one to may 23rd? >> yea. [roll call] >> chairman: that motion passes. item 2, 016996, at 517 517 clement street, i have no speaker cards. >> would any member of the public like to comments on the items on the consent dacalendar? the public comment is now
closed. imaginatiocommissioner johnson. >> move to approve with conditions. [roll call] >> chairman: so moved, that passes unanimously, 6-0. item 3, the draft minutes from may 2nd, 2019. >> does any member of the public have any comments on the draft minutes? with that, public comment is now closed. commissioner norfong? >> there is a typo on page two. >> chairman: very good. thank you. >> move to accept as amended. >> chairman: very good. thank you, commissioners. on that motion to adopt
the minutes from may 2nd, 2019, as amended? [roll call] >> chairman: so moved, commissioners. that motion passes unanimously 6-0. item four, commission comments and questions? >> commissioner moore? >> commissioner fong's name is also incorrectly spelled in our hearing agenda. it's spelled f-u-n-g rather than f-o-n-g. >> chairman: i believe that is the correct spelling. usually it is incorrectly done the other way. >> i'm so glad you brought that to my attention. i thought that the entire time i know you. i pressed the button for another matter. i'm extremely pleased to
see that the board of appeals passed a resolution encouraging the establishment of notice requirements of all tenants of a residential building when permits are added. this is exactly what we have all been concerned about, and i am very grateful that that has happened. >> great. commissioner fung? >> i was going to ask the director to provide some further clarification on the intent of the informational presentations, especially on major projects. so my question is: are they asking -- is the staff asking for initial thoughts from the commission? and if so, then we have nothing to base it on, other than their presentation that day, which makes it a little difficult to gather your
thoughts. >> chairman: if you i will certainly rely that back to the director. but these are specific to the soma area plant, and the allocation, and there have been a series of presentations leading up to these before the individual projects, but i will certainly relay that back to him. >> i know i'm a newbie, strike to catch up. >> commissioner johnson. >> i wanted to commend supervisors fewer and brown for putting together legislation to found an office of racial equity. here at the planning commission, we've had lots of conversations about the intersection of planning and land use and racial justice and equity, and have been to undertaking souour own efforts with several city departments. when you really want to work on racial justice and equity, there needs to be real leadership, and the power and the ability to implement with one voice
and one agenda throughout the city. i was really excited to see that, and i wanted to continue to encourage us. >> thank you, commissioner richards. >> one item to note, i don't know if everybody heard a few minutes ago, sb50 was made into a two-year bill, which means we'll be seeing it next year. >> thank you, commissioner. >> chairman: seeing nothing further, we can move on to department matters. item five, the director is outside. item six, past events of the board of supervisors, board of appeals, and the preservation commission. >> good afternoon, aaron starr of legislative affairs. we heard supervisor haney's ordinance in the rcd. they proposed to make all arts and activists and
nighttime entertainment as permitted uses in the historic buildings in the zoning district. the ordinance was heard on february 6th, and the planning commission on february 21st. both commissioners recommended approval with modifications. the modifications is one, allowing arts activities throughout the direct. and permitting nighttime entertainment uses within the r.c. d. within the historic buildings, and require a preservation, rehabilitation and maintenance plan for buildings with those uses with the fulsom street and r.c.d. districts. on march 5th, supervisor haney introduced an ordinance. and public comments centered around for not requiring ruling -- supervisor peskin noted he was in favor of the
commission, for uses like nighttime entertainment near residentially-zoned areas. supervisor haney then moved to continue the hearing until june 3rd. there were two introductions of note. supervisor haney introduced an ordinance that would increase the jobs housing linkage fee for about $10, so from $28 to $38, and supervisor fewer and brown introduced an ordinance to create the office of racial equity for san francisco. the new office will collect data, shape policy, and form legislation to address san francisco's racial inequities. that concludes my report. >> commissioner richards -- >> chairman: one question, mr. sarr. the impact fee on jobs versus houses, do you have any idea on what the nexus
study was for that? >> i don't. i think it is in the realm of what it is supposed to be. but it will be coming to you for a vote. >> chairman: on behalf of mr. sanchez, the board of appeal met and considered three items. 621 diamond street, and 440 malimo drive, and they propose additions to single family dwellings. and it was heard by this commissioner last year. the commission did not take d.r. both cases focused on building-related concerns on potential impacts on foundations and seismic safety. for 621 diamond street, the board grandere granted the appeal, ensuring that the work would not impact others. and it would not have impacts because it did not propose any found foundation and
denied the appeal. the sb2 violated conditions of approval, that required them to control orders associated with the use. all parties agreed that the property was in violation and that a new exhaust system was required. while it took some time, the property owner has submitted a building permit application, and the department is processing this application, and it should be ready for issuance shortly. and they will require the restaurant to complete installation of the mechanical agreement. if they do not comply with this deadline, they will be assessed of accused panelists of approximately $21,000. i don't see our preservation coordinator. we did have an historic preservation commission meeting where they approved the temporary art installation in front of the main public library here on behalf of the
exploretorium. they heard their landmark designation. at this time, members of the public can address the commission. the opportunity to address the commission will be afforded when the item is reached in the meeting. each member of the public may address the commission for up to three minutes. i do have the one speaker card for georgia. >> okay. also, any other members of the public who want to come on up? >> my name is charles ferguson, and i am appearing here for a later agenda item, but in light of commission richards news that he relayed to us, i want to repeat something that i said on the general comment calendar of this commission about six or
eight months ago. it is very important, with respect to sb'01 b50,and whatever form it may take in the next few years, that the planning department help neighborhoods, particularly those who are designated as eligible for inclusion on the state list of historic districts, to have help in getting us stepped up to the next level, which is actually registered on that list. i'm glad to hear we have a couple of years to work on this. but we still need help from the department. this is a big project, particularly for the neighborhood that i remember, presidio heights. and as long as commissioner fung is here, he will hear me refer to a piece of legislation he has heard too many times, but the supreme court of
this state did rule unanimously 7-0 against the wireless carriers, upholding the right of this city to protect neighborhoods on aesthetic grounds. 7-0, as i predicted. again, being able to actually say we are registered on the state list of historic districts would be quite helpful, not only with respect to the wireless carriers, but certainly with respect to the affects of sb50, which has, as i understand it in its various forms, sometimes has protected historic districts, and sometimes not. but in our particular case, we have, i think, about 95% of the homes that are class "a" and are eligible for inclusion on the list. so we would like assistance in our neighborhood. thank you. >> thank you, sir. next speaker, please.
>> good afternoon. in 2007, you had your hearing on section 317, and here is the executive summary, and then about a year later, it was signed into law by then mayor newsom, and one of the things that is in both these documents is a code implementation document. here is the code implementation document, which was done in 2010. so what's in the code implementation document? well, it's got part 7, and part 7 of the corrode the code implement itatioimplementation s hr1 and about the demo. what has happened over the last few years is the rh1
number has been adjusted, and it has gone from march 2014, 1.506, november 2016, 1.3 million, and in 2017, 1.9 million. but nothing has happened with the demo. i know i'm beating a dead horse, but i don't think so because we don't have our demo legislation yet. and the commission has the right, under planning code 37b 2d to adjust the demo counts, and i really urge you to do it. some say there is no relation between what the z.a. does and what you do, but on the surface, i don't think it can be correct because they're on the same page in this document. and they were in the code together, and they were put into the code at the same time. when i look at nowe
valley, as i outlined and the letter i copied to you, and i went to the hearingb.i.c. hearing -- i didnt send them a copy of the adjustments that could have been made. when i look at nowe valley and i look between diamond and douglas, that's rh1. a lot of things were remodeled up there starting in 2012, 2013, that were under the number. they didn't meet the number at the time. i don't have anything before 2014. it is not published. so know there are $2 million homes up there that are going to be torn down automatically. that happened -- i'm sorry, i keep going back to that one, it was $45,000 over the number on the second appraisal. so if the z.a. is adjusting, and he may be
adjusting again very soon, i urge you, even in spite of the demolition ordinance coming, that you really consider adjusting the demo calks. thank you very much. >> thank you. any other public comment. okay, general public comment is now closed. >> two things first, on the historic districts, in s b50, a new district would not have been covered, because it is only districts that were registered with the state prior to 2010. you might want to lobby next year on including all historic districts. the second thing is, i kind of agree with ms. shutis, we've been dealing with this legislation for 18 months to two years, and we're getting into iterations of
it coming soon, but i would ask that they consider adjusting the demo calks because we keep kicking the can down the road, and who knows when this thing is going to get passed? >> chairman: seeing nothing further, commissioners, we can move on to item 7, case 2015, 000937 cwp, the informational presentation. >> good afternoon, commissioners, nick perry, the department staff. i'm the project manager for the civic center public realm plan, and to share with you all an update. this center is one of our most important places, at the center of arts and culture. it's streets and public spaces are the fabric which hold together this landmark district. the public realm is important to any
neighborhood in san francisco, but it takes on more meaning because of the civic center because of the special role this place plays for protests and gatherings. the civic center faces many challenges. some of our city's greatest social problems are most visible in the civic center, but it is also the place of amazing opportunity. we are seeing how the city plaza is making the place much more welcoming. but there is still much more work to do. there have been many plans created. the primary focus has been on retrofitting its public buildings, and designs for the public spaces have lagged. the plan is over 20 years old now. since that plan was created, the area has changed quite a bit. it has grown as an arts and culture district and as a residential district. it is placing increasing demands on its public
role. the city is taking a coordinated approach to looking at the future of civic center. the civic center comments initiative, being led by the office of economic and workforce development, is an agency to bring more activity and improve stewartship to the space of today. they are looking at future improvements. the two efforts are coordinating and community engagement, and creating a management strategy for maintaining the city center's public spaces. the comments initiative has built off of the capital investments, like the new playgrounds and kiosks, and currently three hunter's point family, and they've brought block parties and seating. in 2019, they're going to be starting a new friday market in u.n. plaza that will build of off of the city farmers' market. the realm plan is focused
on future plans. the plan is managed by the planning department city design group, with an eight-agency team, and we're joined by a really fantastic consultant team, and in just a moment, i'll be introducing their principal to walk you through the space designs. the main focus of the plan are the three public spaces that connect market street with city hall, the city centers plaza and the united nations plaza. and street design improvements for the entire district. after two years of studying community engagement, our team is now finalizing the co consepual design. there are multiple lingual and youth focus groups, multiple days of onsite
outreach which we developed through the ground play program. so some next steps, we're currently finalizing the conceptual designs, and we'll be working with m.t.a. and public works to design street designs and other details. following completion of the draft plan document, we'll enter into environmental review, estimated to take two years. while that is going on, we'll be working with our agency partners to continue ongoing conversations about phasing, funding, and implementation of the plan. with that, i would like to introduce willet moss to walk you through the plac spaces. place stations. >> the city department and various agencies, our sprawling consultant team, and all of the stakeholders we met with
shared a mission to remake it as a part the city. just as the renovation of city hall did for many people. the mandate from the city was pretty clear: pick something that is generally broken and inhospitahospitable, the environment that is fragmented, there aren't places to get out of the wind or get out of the sun, and there is nothing to do. that is i to say there is not a single bench in the entire district. three main goals we hope to achieve: redefine and fulfill the ambitions of the 100-year-old plan never completed. we can do that with this project. that becomes the container for the democratic public space that has been the success of civic center over the decades, a place to gather and celebrate, come together. and, finally, and just as
importantly, make this a place that is inviting for everyday use, let's add some benches, places to sit, bathrooms, access to nature, planting and trees, shade, and so on. so those are the highlights. about midway through the process, through community engagement, we introduced three scenarios, schemes. these weren't proposals. they were provocations to lay out different opportunities and attributes that could be included in a final plan. we got much feedback through the various forms of e engagement that nick described. one of the most interesting tools is this opportunity for people to cut and paste the piece of the scheme that most appealed to them for whatever reason. it resulted in terms of what was most popular, and we're calling it the franken plan. certainly we are well aware that this space has to accommodate upwards of
90,000 people, the quarterly events get up to 15,000 to 30,000 people in front of city hall. so this is a major aspect of our democratic public space. and we all know there are multiple politics communities gathered around this environment. we're all familiar with how underserved the tenderloin is with regard to open space. then there is this burgioning culture corridor. and taking account for all of these inputs, we formed this simple diagram. that idea that predicated on this city hall to market street, you have a truly civic environment in front of civic hall. and it is graduated to a cultural space. moving to the u.n. plaza, anchored by the super
successful farmers' market. a neighborhood space that becomes more fine grain when we look at what is now a dogwedge, which is the gateway to the tenderloin, and you'll see this developed in the neighborhood. here is the plan, again: the foundation is the bosarc's ambition, focus on asymmetry, very ordered and very organized. the original bose art's plan was defined by a double row of trees. we see that objectifying the plaza space, and it sizes the space and creates a large room. these trees carry on all the way down to market street, ree reinforcing the civic promenade. you see the large plan of the city plaza itself,
organizing the space. we are double-downing on the success of the playgrounds we recently built, becoming the gardens of delight, protected by endless linear bempletion. benches. and we've introduced these gardens of memory. i'm going to hit this microphone one more time. here we see a view on center looking across the plaza. one of the biggest planning design challenges, the designing of large vessels for public gatherings. 15,000 to 30,000 people coming into this space. we have the trees that i mentioned, enclosing it, and we've introduced lawns, they're flexible, multi-use. they support the soccer program that has been ongoing and will continue this summer. in the center plaza, we propose a sheet that could be turned off and emptied for any event at the drop of a hat.
the view from the gardens of memory, at your back, looking out through the trees and into that central core space that i mentioned with the lawns and plaza, the front of city hall, there are gardens of delight. we know that planting is super vulnerable in this environment. yet we know it is one of the basic services and amenities that people clamor for: can we just have access to nature? and there are benches, also foundational to an inclusive environment. the view high up from the existing play structure, and you see to the right new garage entrance, which includes bathrooms, food and beverage, and elevator structure. and you start to see a synergy of these various pieces from the lawns to the fountain and the garden of delight. you can imagine sitting on this bench watching your kids tear around. so where there is now a structure blocking this view -- this is with your back to mccallister,
looking across to billy graham's pacific auditorium. it is anchored by bathrooms and food and access to the garage. it illustrates a transformation of gros street. more significantly, we have added food and beverage opportunities, commercial opportunities, underneath the dark, creepy yawning that hangs over the billy graham civic auditorium. it is rarely alive except for events. so this new commercial activity, facing off with the civilian on civic center plaza, starts to create a more street-like atmosphere, with active edges. fulton street, flanked by the asian art museum, and the library -- it is completely underutilized
at this time. again, bathrooms, potential food and beverage, multi-use lawns, sized so they can accommodate rec amenities. and the sculpture garden curated by the asian art museum, activating the door on the asian center that has been closed for decades. the view along this access, you can see the library pavilion to the left, and a long linear bench on the right that frames the sculpture garden of the asia. and aspirational idea, if it is not windy, and everyone is having a wonderful evening -- [laughter] >> -- it happens. we know the successes and failingsfailings of u.n. place,
and the marketplace is super successful, and i learned today, i think, that a night program is coming to pass soon. the dog leg is loaded with small neighborhood park amenities, and this becomes the gateway piece, serving the tenderloin directly. this proposal, modifying the fountain, i think it is fair to say that the majority of people who responded to surveys and questions, would like to see it removed. we are introducing a new bart entrance pavilion. they're remaking all of their canopies, and we've been in conversations with them and they're very receptive. this is leveraging covering and closing the great schrader wit escalator. to support the ongoing market, and community space above. the tenderloin, you want your party, you can happen
here. these to objects having a conversation, and creating a gateway all the way down to city hall. here is the view of this bart pavilion on the left. p theand then the image itself, you're standing on this civic promenade, looking into the market hall, and upstairs is your community space for parties and meetings and celebrations, and so forth. transforming this levenworth street lighting to create this gateway experience and the various amenities that would be resolved through conversation at this plan of events, to serve the community directly. notably, there is a dog park that is tucked in there, which is something we've heard loud and clear that people want. here you see a view of the
adapted fountain. and a view back towards the bart pavilion. it is predicated on having universal access into this thing that currently only a few people can physically enter, even if they overcome in trept intrepidation by being incredibly deep. you can see planting in the foreground of this mountain. it is a really comprehensive program to address water resources, and we're putting water into a tank for emergency events. super high level surveyf thisurvey ofthis very ambitious project. >> thank you so much. does anyone have public comment on this item? >> i'm susan,a san
francisco resident, and i'm with california plant native society. i want to say thank you so much. i appreciate just the consideration of adding planting to this lovely design, and kudos to the design and planning team for finding a way to recapture and recover and reuse or underground water. it could be an asset. and i realize that is likely to be really expensive, but once you do it, we'll know how to do it for other projects. so that's super exciting. i do request that the design team consider planting only native plants, california native plants, if you, the planning commission and the rest of the design goes through to add plants. it is a lovely bose art design respectful of that. those native plants can be used as part of that design without using the
current non-native plants that we have. the native plants support things like butterflies and birds and add that life to the city. people maybe plant blind, but they're not blind to butterflies. so if we could add that, that would add even more charm to this environment. so thank you so much for considering this. i appreciate it. >> thank you. any other public comment on this item? okay. public comment is now closed. commissioner richards. >> commissioner johnson. >> thank you so much for this update. it is delightful and really exciting. i think it is really nice, again, to continue to see the ways in which the public is engaged. i love the street stories that were captured. i couldn't find it on instagram, so i hope it makes its way there. i would love to share them.
[buzzer] >> so one thing that did kind of stand out to me was the pavilions, actually. and when i think about civic center being the heart of the city that is accessible to all, really wanting to make sure that i love the idea of having cover, ways for people to kind of get out of the elements. but some of the renderings -- and i realize they're just renderings, were really focused on commercial activity, kind of shops and restaurants. and i'm thinking about if we are kind of closing off some of the spaces that have been open air to date, how those could truly be community-serving spaces, so you're not only having access to them because you can pay for a cup of coffee, but they truly are places in which all san franciscans can get served and get the services that they need. i was interested to hear about the community space on top. i'm wondering if you can share a little more of your thinking about that space.
if you have it. >> thank you for those comments. the idea of the community space is really -- we have to put a canopy over the whole thing. i think what we're hoping to do is create something that is versatile, that the community space is something that is on the second floor. if we're going to make the investment to put a building there, to create something that the community could use and be rented out as a social hall. the drawings that they have created are beautiful. they put a lot of thought into this, but this is still, like, 10%, so we have a long way to go before we get to how much the rental fee would be and things like that. >> well, something to consider. >> definitely. definitely. >> using spaces that are truly open. >> commissioner richards. >> yes, several questions. you indicated the break down of the hard-scaped central area. will it have table and chairs during the day, and when there is a big event, you break it down and you
can accommodate 80,000 people. and can you go a little more into detail on the fountain? part of it will be accessible for people to walk into? the other comment is, where are the flags going to go? one of my favorite things about the civic center are the flags going down the middle. do you have a flag row? >> we do. >> great. i like the ideal of native california plants. i was actually back in the east two or three weeks ago, and the dogwoods were flowering like crazy, and i thought, dam, i wish i could grow dogwoods in california, and i googled it, and we have native dogwoods. i didn't realize we had such a variety of native plants. maybe you could do some proposals with c.m. g. to say, thes ar these are the kindf plants we really like. i know there are several
community spaces that have been conditioned ar as a part of the public approval, and there is an area to secure for free, and i would encourage they be free. and the other issue is maintenance. these are all fabulous ideas, but without a really good maintenance plan, they start kind of decaying pretty quickly. could you comment on that. >> i'll try to tick them off. the breakdown is there is a pretty regular quarterly event that ranges between 15,000 to 30,000 people, and they are ch accommodated in the central area to reduce the perception it is just all a desert of paving. there are two lawn areas within that. and the circle pool takes up a portion of that area
and would simply -- it is like a sheet, and it would simply drain. >> so nothing grows under it? >> no. no. >> like six inches of concrete -- it's just a film. >> a film of water, that has proven successful in various environments. >> and then the fountains -- >> so that's the fountains -- so the helprin fountain? >> yes. the helprin fountain, the fountain itself goes down about eight feet deep. so when you're in the middle of it, it is way over head, if you can get into it. the concept of the fountain was to celebrate the u.n. charter. there are these huge white granite bolders, and there is one for each continent. in bottom of the fountain is atlantis. the original idea was it would rise up and you can
see it, and then it would subside and you could see it, the atlantis, which is a couple of rocks. the dynamic aspects never worked, ever. because the fountain itself was so depressed, they sent these huge jets of water up, by design, so you could kind of see it as a landmark because it was a downer, not an outy. and they got blown down market street, which was a problem, and the chlorine in the pool killed all of the adjacent trees. so if you walk over there now, you see the tree rings where there used to be trees. so all of that said, helrin, a legacy. and the stones are impressive. how do you get people up to close to them? how do you make it accessible? the proposal is to deck a good portion of the region, so you have wheelchair access down, and you find yourself by these huge stones. and a portion then, which is very sort of linear and small, would be planted
and allow for this storm water function. >> and once you're in there, you may have table and chairs -- >> absolutely. >> great. great. and the flags, you're going to repurpose them somewhere else? >> san francisco is the city of flags -- i didn't know that until this project. it is a thing. the idea is we gather them all up, and in los angeles, where they got all of the flight fixtures from the city and gathered them into a grove, this would be a flag grove in the dead parking lot corner. >> you know so much about all of these things -- were those flags put in there at the b bicentennial? >> that's a really good question. i don't know the date -- >> coming from pennsylvania, you look at the flags and go b bicentennial. the plants? >> this is a layered
proposal. we used the city's own green connection plan as a basis for urban ecology. the planting and the plaza is a part of that conversation. >> how much of a per sent percet of the city's plantings are native? i'm just curious? >> i have no idea. they don't guide planting. they guide tree selection. they're not all native, by any means. like nick was saying, we're so high-level still, and we get into the details, and native plants would be a part of that conversation. >> if you would put some specific dogwoods in, i would appreciate of it. i can't believe how beautiful they are. community space, access process -- hopefully it is accessible to everybody without paying. >> we haven't worked out the details of how those spaces would be rented or
if there were be fees. >> if i'm a corporation, you should pay. if i'm an individual or non-profit, it should be free. and we have models all over the city. in my neighborhood, we have three of them. there is the b of a room or the chase bank room. you have to put up a little bit of a deposit, so if you ruin something, it comes out. but there is some skin in the game for the people who run it. but it works. and the maintenance budget. >> yeah. so we are working with the pacific initiative on developing a maintenance plan that can be evolved over time. right now thesies space is the s maintained by multiple entities. and so the commons initiative have been looking at how to make a management plan, and we've been working with them. and we want to create a long-term maintenance plan that can evolve. >> perfect. thank you very much. wonderful. >> commissioner moore.
>> it is a very interesting plan. i'm very excited about your deeper dialogue on the plan, and thinking about it in contemporary terms, the interpretation of the helprin fountain is fascinating. i wish i would have known more about it. i'm not going to repeat what my fellow commissioner said. i agree with all points. i'm curious about the bart station entrance. a few weeks ago we discussed the plan for market street, that is basically looking into the future. there is an interest in making all bart stations becoming architecturally gateways in the manner that you experience the metro system, for example, in paris. making them as recognizable structures by which you mark yourself from where you are on market street. i'm looking at this
particular diagram or photo simulation you have for the bart station here, and i'm a little disappointed -- sorry to say that -- because it looks like nathaniel hall, except twisted a bit. i hope you have a dialogue with the planning staff, thinking about the matter without having yet thrown out any particular ideas. in the past, i was on a design project, when we thought about redoing the haladay plaza, and where you basically just disappear into the tunnel of an escalator, and thinking about a structure, there were structures along market street, and this particular station should be in that same train of thought as the rest of market street. so i hope that you're not just getting too fixated on an image which may not work. in addition to the
agriculture your proposing, it looks dated. >> kennedy architecture have gone above and beyond when it comes to the level of work they put into this plan. these are conceptual. the idea is to get the idea of the placement of these buildings and their general massing, and have something real enough that people can react to and think about what that might be like. so they'll continue to evolve over time, but i want to acknowledge that kennedy has done a fantastic job of getting it to the point where we can talk about it and have these conversations. >> thank you. commissioner fung. >> i'm still gathering speed on this since i wasn't able to attend the initial presentation last year. but i did have a couple of questions of staff and then a couple of comments.
one is: can you describe the process, then, in terms of directions or requirements that all of the institutional agencies around this area might have been bringing forth? i know you had a fairly comprehensive approach in terms of community-type input. >> we've had lots of conversations with the surrounding institution, most prominently the asian art museum and the library because they're kind of right in the thick of it. we've had frequent directedsdirectors' meetings and with their staff. also with the staff, a planned entertainment, who run billy graham auditorium, and we have a meeting scheduled next month to talk about their loading needs. and meeting with city hall staff, who run the operations of this building. there are two outreach
processes, almost, there is a community outreach, and a city outreach, which have been running parallel since the entire time the project has been going on. >> i'm perhaps dating myself, but the original design intent for the public library, on one side they had the bose art face or interpretation of that. on the other hand, the design intent was to provide an image that was reflective of the commercial nature of market street. that corner -- it is a matter of conjecture how successful their approach is to that particular design attempt. but that particular corner has had, in my opinion, a number of issues. i didn't see anything in this study that addressed what was intended for that area. >> it's not something we
looked into in great detail. but we actually are bringing in one of our staff architects on board to the project team, as it enters its last stage, and we're going to take a district-wide look, but we're not going to get into too much detail. there is an upcoming effort that the library has been initiating, to talk about how we can look at the facades of all four sides of the library, so it is a discussion that we are looking into. >> either the height street side is basically a back side for all of those institutions. whether it is the asian art museum or the public library. i don't know what the asian art museum is intending with their small addition that is occurring on that corner. but i do know that the public library intends to remove all of their trees and replant. >> uh-huh. >> they had some
maintenance issues there. and that, by the way, has been continued for a while, while they're searching for some of the solutions to water usage and other things. would it make sense to look at the hyde street side and remove a lane of parking and expand the sidewalk so that they can now have efficient space to be able to get full growth, do the things that they want to, and yet also create a better connection point? >> it is something that our design street could take a look at as we start to advance those concepts. >> thank you. >> thank you. commissioner harris. >> excuse me. thank you for this presentation. i think it is great. what we're seeing -- it is kind of sad we've seen this come before us before, in the past decades, and things that haven't been implemented.
hopefully there is a will to find the funding to do it. we talk about how we're the wealthiest city around. tax revenues are at their peak, but kind of our primary civic plaza is not in great shape. it is great what the civic commons has done with it, the playgrounds are great, and they're active, and there are places to get food now, but i think this takes it to the next level. i think the designers did a great job kind of balancing the need for this to be a civic gathering space, but alts also a neighborhood space that serves the tenderloin and the civic sltd cente center ande neighborhoods around it. you struck a good balance on that. it is certainly a significant amount of open space. at times i thought maybe it should be shrunk because this is too much to deal with, but i think this design has done a great job. the only thing i would suggest is just ramping up
-- we need to spark political leadership to embrace this and to make it come to life. for next steps you can see in your packet that we do have funding for ceqa review and that's no small step. it's expensive and time consuming. after that in approximately two years the plan would have been refined and we'll be ready for action so we're hoping in that time period of the ceqa review that we can, with your leadership, with the leadership of our director and our electives and the director of rec park, all on the board, that we'll have a moment to finalize the plans and get it built.
>> thank you, i want to thank staff and this is really thorough and a great presentation and it's been really fun to see the process and how folks have chimed in and given good ideas and feedback and how that has shaped your thinking. so that's been really great. you know, something that i brought up the last time that we looked at this is that, you know, there is -- i think it's bigger than a maintenance plan, what we have in the entire space is a population that uses it sometimes and has very high social and economic needs. and these beautiful designs don't do anything about that in a pragmatic way. and i'm worried about that. and so, you know, i said last time that i'd like to see it be a navigation center. you know, i know that it's requesting to take some political and economic resources to make th