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that. >> mitigation doesn't necessarily come out of the general fund. it could be directed. that would require further legislation to have a specific syntax on that. >> let's continue it. you are taking off. any public comment on this item? seeing none public comment is closed. next item. >> item 7. draft legacy accident program annual report for 018-2019. discussion and possible action item. >> just a reminder the presentations are heretofore
limited to three minutes. i can make this as quick as you want. >> are those handouts? >> you have more than that for this thing of beauty, bring it on. >> good afternoon. richard kurylo. i have a power point. this is the annual report for the period april 1st, 2018 through march 31st, 1019. -- 2019. this is a quick high level overview. the report has been rebranded in the legacy business brand style and colors. we are seeking feedback on content, grammar and design. draft report can be found at
sfosb.org meetings 10 under may 29 supporting documents. >> the final report will be distributed monday, june 3rd. the executive summary is four page overview of the entire annual report covering accomplishments, legacy business registry, marketing and branding, legacy grants, budget and upcoming activities. this is very quick. the background section is one page of the business program. it is the same as last year except for styling. there are two pages on major accomplishments. order of accomplishments mirrors the order of establishments. there is a picture of st st. mas
pub. the business registry section is seven pages. first two pages address nominations, applications and businesses listed on the registry. there are two and a half pages which list 46 businesses added to the registry since last year's annual report through march 31st of this year. there are three pages on nominators and the number of nominees per supervisor district as well as map showing the 175 locations of businesses as of march 31st. we are adding a picture and quote to bottom of page 15. there were many accomplishments in marketing and branding. it has taken time to complete
the section. the copy in your binder is a preliminary draft. we did complete the final draft the morning. i brought copies which we have distributed and placed a few copies on the table for the public. in the final draft we report on research and developments by the marketing and branding committee which met from september 2017 to 2018. we present the logo and go over the elements and discussed marketing and branding for legacy businesses and the items produced for the businesses including those on the slide. we asked how they plan to utilize the marketing tool kit and reported some of their feedback. lastly, in this marketing and branding section we discussed marketing and promotion by the office of small business including social media information, press releases,
notable press mentions and newsletter information. there are three pages on business assistance services including summary, clients needs and success story about henry's house of coffee. table and another table highlighting the types of services provided. the legacy business historic preservation fund is next. 11 pages featuring rent stabilization and business assistance and accessibility grant. the section on rent stabilization including grants awarded to landlords through march 31st, 2019 since it was issued in february 2017. there are nine pages on the business assistance grant, all
104 recipients in 2018-2019 are included. there are tables for all three years of the grant. we indicate how the businesses propose to spend the 18-19 funds and how they spent the 17-18 funds. the annual report touching upon the accessibility grant which is presently underway. and the program budget includes this fiscal year and next fiscal year we are checking the date take before issuing the report on monday. this is the second year we included program challenges in the report. the challenges reported this year include escalating staff obligations, budget obligations and legacy business
applications. there is a one page section on major upcoming activities. the order of activities mirrors the order of sections in the annual report. lastly, contact information including small business commission, office of small business and legacy business program. thank you. again, we are seeking any questions, feedback. you are welcome to mark up the draft report in the packet and hand deliver or e-mail us. please behind full that we are issuing the report on monday so we will be making changes by close of business on friday. >> there will go up on the website. >> yes, on the website. >> this is great. very well-done. >> the whole report will be on the website when it is finalized on monday. >> thank you.
>> well-done. we need to clone you a few times. >> there is no question that this program is really the crown jewel of our commission. thanks to your stewardship, of course. i think it is one. you think about on every dimension the most direct engagement we have with small businesses. they are here. they come here. it is all good, really, some of them we have had some tears on the stage. it is a celebration, direct engagement with over 100 some -- a couple hundred businesses. >> 190 now. >> i think the branding elements are solid. i think all in all it is really well-done and well managed.
it would be great if we could figure out some programs that would be as useful and as well run as this for the other businesses, you know, other sectors of business other than just legacy business. how do we make sure we have a good stable potential legacy businesses not dying on the vine. anyway, i think this is a model program and one you should be proud of. we should continue to put, you know, disproportionate amount of effort into, in my opinion. >> thank you for your leadership. it is helpful having the commission provide us with excellent guidance and leadership. >> commissioner did i forget you? any comments before the public comment? >> none. >> thank you, richard. awesome.
do we have members of the public to comment on this item? seeing none, public comment is closed. is there any action required here? >> no. >> i don't think we need action. we are seeking feedback. >> i mean it is discussion and possible action to adopt it. not necessary. >> i would say, you know, do your thing unless you get suggestions in the meantime. what i see is thorough and frankly also you have built on what we have approved before. some of this is update and certainly a beautiful layout with our new branding so it is great. >> i want you to prepare my reports.
>> april 1st right after the data ends on march 31st to get it here today. >> unless you need a vote of our blessing, you have our blessing. thank you. next item please. >> item 8 approval of draft meeting minutes. action item. >> any comments from commissioners on the minutes. any public comment? public comment is closed. a motion? >> so moved. >> motion to approve the minutes. >> second. >> all right. >> motion by commissioner dwight to approve the comments seconded. >> voice vote is suffer, i think. >> -- voice vote is sufficient. >> awful in favor. -- all in favor. motion passings. >> item 9.
director's report. update and report on the offers of small business and the small business assistance center, department programs, policy and legislative matters, announcements from the mayor and announcements regarding small business activities. >> i have pressed out the press release from today where the mayor announced investments to strengthen san francisco small businesses. on the back side it highlights $4 million in cornerstone grants. this is financial assistance to small businesses and nonprofit located in ground floor spaces in newly constructed housing -- newly constructed affordable housing. $2 million in small business fee assistance. this will help mitigate funding. it is help offset some of the
fees that businesses have in terms of regulatory fees. that is the annual dph and fire fees and things of that sort. then $1 million increasing funding for the city's revolving loan fund. increasing funding to our loan program to help more businesses be able to start and/or expand their business. then $2 million to expand our sf shines program. that program has been pretty successful in helping businesses either do façade improvements, tenant improvements inside, expanding on that. as commissioner sharky noted earlier, these are for façades, interiors, signage, ada and anything in relationship to historic preservation that may
be required. those were early announcements in regards to the mayor's budget for 19-20. then i had the office was planning on moving from our current location to the other tax and treasurer's office in 140. we are in 110. this was to take place friday and monday. because there are some missing essential parts to the furniture set up, we are now that is going to be extended out to after i am back from vacation in mid-june. we were all looking forward to getting that move done and taking place but it is now delayed. >> do you have a timeline on the move? you will move out of here when the new building is built, is
that correct? >> not completely. >> we will definitely always maintain a presence here. then we will have some presence over at 49 south vanness. >> i don't have to change the preamble to the meeting? >> no, no and that will be late 2020 at the earliest, if anything is happening. we do get a fair number of businesses that are referred from the tax and treasurer's office and they are the newbies in starting the business. it is essential we maintain a presence. that concludes my report. >> commissioners any comments or questions? any members of the public like to comment on in item? seeing none public comment closed. next item, please. >> item 10 commissioners reports.
allows president and vice president and commissioners to reported on recent small business activities and make announcements of interest to the small business community discussion item. >> i don't have anything to report. >> i would like to report i worked with gloria lee and the director tom from sba. we put together -- we worked with the offers of the senator and david chu's office to put together a resource affair on may 17th. we invited speakers to the fair and provided information on different ways to access capital and information about the retirement programming. also the office of small business was there participating
and also lawrence from sbc was there. it was pretty well attended. positive feedback from business owners and potential business owners. also attended some functions on the small business week and may is asian heritage month. i attended the celebrations as well. that is it. >> anyone else? any public comment on this item? seeing none, public comment is closed. next item. >> 11. new business. allows commissioners to introduce new agenda items for future consideration by the commission. discussion item? any public comments. public comments is closed.
>> sfgovtv please show the slide. >> this is the only place to start your new business in san francisco. the best place to get answers to your questions about doing business in san francisco. if you need assistance start here at the office of small business. all right. next item please. >> item 12 adjournment. >> i move. i second. >> all in favor. aye. >> meeting adjourned at 4:58 p.m.
shop and dine in the 49 promotes local businesses and challenges residents to do their shopping and dining within the 49 square miles of san francisco. by supporting local services within our neighborhoods, we help san francisco remain unique, successful, and vibrant. so where will you shop and dine in the 49? >> my name is ray behr. i am the owner of chief plus. it's a destination specialty foods store, and it's also a corner grocery store, as well. we call it cheese plus because there's a lot of additions in addition to cheese here. from fresh flowers, to wine,
past a, chocolate, our dining area and espresso bar. you can have a casual meeting if you want to. it's a real community gathering place. what makes little polk unique, i think, first of all, it's a great pedestrian street. there's people out and about all day, meeting this neighbor and coming out and supporting the businesses. the businesses here are almost all exclusively independent owned small businesses. it harkens back to supporting local. polk street doesn't look like anywhere u.s.a. it has its own businesses and personality. we have clothing stores to gallerys, to personal service stores, where you can get your hsus repaired, luggage repaired. there's a music studio across the street. it's raily a diverse and unique
offering on this really great street. i think san franciscans should shop local as much as they can because they can discover things that they may not be familiar with. again, the marketplace is changing, and, you know, you look at a screen, and you click a mouse, and you order something, and it shows up, but to have a tangible experience, to be able to come in to taste things, to see things, to smell things, all those things, it's very important that you do so. >> hi. i am cory with san francisco and we're doing stay safe and we're going to talk about what shelter in place or safe enough to stay in your
home means. we're here at the urban center on mission street in san francisco and joined by carla, the deputy director of spur and one of the persons who pushed this shelter in place and safe enough to stay concept and we want to talk about what it means and why it's important to san francisco. >> as you know the bay area as 63% chance of having a major earthquake and it's serious and going to impact a lot of people and particularly people in san francisco because we live on a major fault so what does this mean for us? part of what it means is that potentially 25% of san francisco's building stock
will be uninhibit tabl and people can't stay in their homes after an earthquake. they may have to go to shelters or leave entirely and we don't want that to happen. >> we want a building stock to encourage them to stay in the homes and encourage them to stay and not relocate to other locations and shelters. >> that's right so that means the housing needs to be safe enough to stay and we have been focused in trying to define what that means and you as a former building official knows better than anybody the code says if an earthquake happens it won't kill you but doesn't necessarily say that can you stay in your home and we set out to define what
that might mean and you know because you built this house we're in now and this shows what it's like to be in a place safe enough to stay. it's not going to be perfect. there maybe cracks in the walls and not have gas or electricity within a while but can you essentially camp out within your unit. what's it going to take to get the housing stock up to this standard? we spent time talking about this and one of the building types we talk about was soft story buildings and the ground floor is vulnerable because there are openings for garages or windows and during the earthquake we saw in the marina they went right over and those are -- >> very vulnerable buildings. >> very and there are a lot of apartment buildings in san that
that are like that. >> and time to. >> >> retrofit the buildings so people can stay in them after the earthquake. >> what do they need? do they need information? do they need incentives? mandates? >> that's a good question. i think it starts with information. people think that new buildings are earthquake proof and don't understand the performance the building will have so we want a transparent of letting people know is my building going to be safe in it after an earthquake? is my building so dangers i should be afraid of being injured? so developing a ranking system for buildings would be very important and i think for some of the larger apartment buildings that are soft story
we need a mandatory program to fix the buildings, not over night and not without financial help or incentive, but a phased program over time that is reasonable so we can fix those buildings, and for the smaller soft story buildings and especially in san francisco and the houses over garages we need information and incentives and coaxing the people along and each of the owners want their house to be safe enough. >> we want the system and not just mandate everybody. >> that's right. >> i hear about people talking about this concept of resiliency. as you're fixing your knowledge you're adding to the city wide resiliency. >> >> what does that mean? >> that's a great question. what spur has done is look at that in terms of recovery and
in new orleans with katrina and lost many of the people, hasn't recovered the building stock. it's not a good situation. i think we can agree and in san we want to rebuild well and quickly after a major disaster so we have defined what that means for our life lines. how do we need the gasolines to perform and water perform after an earthquake and the building stock as well, so we have the goal of 95% of our homes to be ready for shelter in place after a major earthquake, and that way people can stay within the city. we don't lose our work force. we don't lose the people that make san francisco so special. we keep everybody here and that allow us to recover our economy, and everything because it's so interdependent. >> so that is a difficult goal but i think we can achieve it
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>> good evening, welcome everyone. we will start this meeting with our pledge of allegiance. [pledge of allegiance] >> welcome, all. thank you very much for your attendance this evening. >> this is a reminder to silence all electronic devices. the fire commission regular meeting of wednesday, may 22nd , 2019, and the time is 5:00 p.m. item one, roll call. [roll call]
item two, general public comment members of the public may address the commission for up to three minutes on any matter within the commission's jurisdiction and does not appear on the agenda. speaker shall address their remarks to the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners were department personnel. commissioners are not to enter into debate or discussion with a speaker. the last of a response right -- by the commissioners or the department personnel does not constitute agreement with or support of statements made during public comment. >> thank you very much. is there any member of the public that wishes to give public comment on the item on general public comment? seeing none, public comment is closed.
>> item three, approval of the minutes. discussion and possible action to approve the meeting minutes of our regular meeting on may 8 th, 2018. >> at this particular agenda item, to approve the minutes, his is there any member of the public who wishes to comment on the approval of the minutes? seeing none, public comment is closed. are there any questions or discussions from the commissioners at this time? >> i moved to approve. >> a motion has been made to move to approve. i need a second. >> second. it has been seconded. i call for the question, all in favor? >> aye. >> none opposed to. >> item four, presentation from the port of san francisco pertaining to the m.o.u. with the s.f. fd. >> we will have this presentation and then we will ask for public comment.
i understand mr. hurley is here. >> i'm currently finding out where he is. he maybe running late so we may need to switch of the agenda if we can. >> all right. >> here she comes. let's see. here is jamie hurley, right on cue. [laughter]. >> thank you very much. welcome. thank you very much for your appearance. [laughter]. >> you are up, brother. >> i grabbed a u.s.b. drive here will. is warmer outside than i expected.
okay. >> do we want to go to the laptop? >> at your pleasure, mr. hurley. >> good evening, commissioners, chief nicholson, members of the department. my name is jamie hurley, i am a project manager with the port of san francisco, and your staff has asked me to be here tonight to give you a brief presentation , really orienting you to a new memorandum of understanding that port staff have worked together to develop over the past several months,
and which our port commission is poised to approve at their next port commission meeting next tuesday, the 28th. i just wanted to give you a high-level overview of that agreement. and on this title slide, you will see, and i wanted to highlight the fact that this is really a collaborative effort by three sister agencies here at the city of san francisco, so it is the port of the fire department, and public works acting on behalf of the fire department who is the project lead in terms of him lamenting the project, which i will talk about, which there is obviously a connection between the project at fire station station 35 and this new m.o.u. let's see. just to give you an orientation, this is the birdseye view of the
site where fire station 35 is located. basically it is at the foot of harrison street on the embarcadero, very close to the bay bridge. the parkas right near there. very centrally located on the waterfront. here is an aerial view of the facility as it exists today. you will see in this photograph, you know, a couple of things. you will see the existing historic fire station 35. that building is actually a san francisco landmark. i believe it was landmark in 1999 after an effort that i think was really led by the firefighters working at fire station 35. it is also a contributing resource to the embarcadero national historic district. you also see a one-story shed
building where in this photo, i believe that is the guardian, i'm not sure, but that is the existing fireboat house, and then to the south of that, you will see another finger. which is in the very -- in very poor condition -- conditions. that is what we have out there today. again, just to talk briefly about the project, which really is the impetus for bringing this new m.o.u. forward, the project will do a couple of things. there will be some demolition involved, demolition of those finger peers that i just talked about, the one where the shed building is located and where the boat is currently birthed, and then to the south, the abandoned, derelict. and then there is also some area on the pile supported marginal
wharf that will be removed and replaced with a new structure that will contain the ramp, or that would be the landing point of the ramp that connects the embarcadero to the new station, and you see sort of the footprint of the new station there. there's also a pedestrian bridge that will connect the new floating station, fireboat station to historic station 35. this slide i wanted to show you, because the areas in yellow are going to be new dedicated public access areas, and this is part of the b.c. d.c. permit, which we received a month or so ago after a long protracted effort with that body to gain approval of the project, and i think it
is going to be something really great for the public to be able -- there is going to be a new observation deck where the public can gather and watch what's happening and take voters to the boats, that sort of thing there is an area just to the south of the building that will be open to the public i believe during the daytime, but the part -- the department has an ability to close it in the event of emergencies or, you know, for security purposes at night. that is that. this slide also shows, you know, the layout of where the boats will be birthed around the new facility. and now i just wanted to get into the m.o.u., that was just a brief overview about the project , i'm sure that you know
a lot about the project. i think if you need a more detailed update about the project, i'm sure public works would be happy to do that for you, but, you know, for tonight, i was really asked to focus on this m.o.u. this slide, it says lease area, but this isn't a lease. it is an m.o.u. it functions similar to a lease, a port lease, commissioner hardeman is very familiar with these port leases. good to see you. i wanted to point out that there are several different m.o.u. his you have the historic firehouse, you have a marginal wharf area that i was talking to earlier, that was a public area. you have what they call submerged land that is essentially the water parcel where the new facility will be built, and then you have two
access points, vehicle access from the embarcadero, one for the engine that can go into the bay in the historic firehouse 35 , and then a new access point onto the ramp that i described that will take you down to the new facility. in total, there's about 53,000 square feet of land or land and water. i have a couple of slides where i wanted to highlight the main key terms of the m.o.u. the term is 50 years. that term of the agreement corresponds with the design life of the new facility, it is a fifty-year design life, and so that is where we pegged to the terms of the agreement. it allows for two things. it allows for the construction of the project that is about a
two-year construction project and i think and i hope it allows for after -- during that, operations will continue and after the new facility is occupied for the operations. it provides for the payment of rent to the port by the fire department. approximately $14,000 a month which would not commence until after the project is completed and the new facility is occupied i wanted to spend a minute here to talk about this because as you may know, the department has not been paying rent to the port up until this point, and the department, to my understanding, has been at this location since at least 1930, which predates by about 40 years, the port of san francisco coming into being. i think the existing agreement
that we are operating under didn't have a sunset day or an explanation -- expiration date, so i presume it is still in effect. it was dated 1954, i believe. it is quite outdated, and frankly inadequate and is not reflective of current port practices we do have a mandate from the state as trustees of port lands under the public trust doctrine to charge fair market rent for property. we can make a determination on what constitutes fair market rent in some cases. we are able to provide rent credits to offset to our tenants for investment in our property,
that type of thing, and that is exactly what we have done here, you know, in working with your staff over these several months and in negotiating this agreement, it became very clear that what your budget realities are, and so we developed a mechanism whereby the port is granting rent credits for a couple of things. one, we had already provided rent credits to the fire department four. twenty-six, which is a facility that if we have an m.o.u. with you currently, there is rent payment in that case as well. there are rent credits. we calculated their be about $1.6 million in unadvertised or unused rent credits available. at the end of the term of that
agreement, so we said we will apply those $1.6 million to this project, and this agreement, and then in addition, there is some work that is being done as part of the project. i briefly alluded to it earlier. it is for the new public access areas on the south side of the historic station 35. there's the need, in order for that to be public access, opened up to public access, to shore up the substructure and i think the costs there are proximally $800,000 or million dollars in cost to do that work, and so we have said, okay, we can apply those costs as rent credits as well. i think the math works out currently with those two pieces, that is $2.4 million, and at $13,000 a month in rent, it works out to around 15 years
where those things will even out completely. there will be no actual collection of rent by the port for least 15 years, and then the m.o.u. also provides for the ability for us to grant additional rent credits for additional investments that may be required at fire station 35. and then as with all of our long-term leases, you know, if you think about the ferry building, they get the exploratory him, the ballpark, any of these facilities where we have these long-term leases, the tenant is required -- the tenant is responsible for maintenance and repair, and so this agreement does have that as well that responsible -- that responsibility falls to the fire department, but again, we
recognize the budget realities that your department faces. we recognize your ability to prioritize your capital funding dollars towards your operational needs, and that those will really dictate where those dollars are directed, and so we have language in there that basically says that we will work together on identifying funding sources to complete those repairs, but the basic idea is, you know, as long as the fire department continues to need, for example, the use of the historic firehouse, then any repairs or maintenance that is required will continue to be as it is today, and the responsibility of the fire department. we also recognize within this document that your operational needs are constantly evolving with the growing city, and in
particular, in this case, where you have a brand-new facility that will open in a couple of years at this location, that you may not have the same need for historic station 35 as you do today, so we have built in a provision whereby you may relinquish portions or all of the -- all of those premises, and that we will work together on figuring out, you know, away for the port to continue to be able to use that facility in that case. i will just pause here, too to talk about the fact that, you know, this historic station is something that members of the historic preservation community, in particular, really love, and they have said that many times throughout our permitting process that we have gone through with, you know, our port advisory groups, and we'd be c.d.c. and so forth.
so i think we all -- even just regular members of the public, i mean, i think it is a very cool, unique building, old building, and yet, you know, still an ongoing, you know, operational firehouse, and, you know, there's a lot of people who would love to see it continue to be used in that way, especially in conjunction with the new facility that gives it an even cooler feel and look to it, but again, we recognize that that may not be the case in the future. that if there are, you know, repairs that are needed to that facility that, you know, go beyond your financial ability to perform them, and it turns out you really don't need all that space anyways with the new facility, then this memorandum of understanding allows for that and then finally, you know, we just had in there, you know, the compliance with see quote within the sequel document, which has
mitigated a negative declaration it was prepared for this project there is a number of mitigation measures and improvement measures that were built in there. there is this mmr p. that the planning department developed. it stands for mitigation, monitoring, and reporting program. compliance with that, compliance with all regulatory permits such as the be c.d.c. permit, there is also an army corps permit, a regional water quality control board permit, those are the three main ones. a playbook -- all of these sort of standard things that we have now over m.o.u. his. that is the end of my slides. i am available to answer any questions. obviously cheap nicholson has been involved in this project from the beginning, and had a very central role in the discussions. deputy chief rivera, especially in terms of project questions,
thank you for your time. >> thank you very much. if you could remain, chief nicholson, before we do this, would like to call for public comment first. at this point, is there any public comment on this agenda item? seeing none, public comment is closed. chief nicholson? >> thank you very much. jamie, welcome. thank you for being here. i beg to differ on one thing, you said we have been working on this for the past several months , i think it has been more like a year, maybe it just feels like that, not that i don't like you. yes, we have worked diligently with you, with your city attorney, with our city attorney , with the mayor's office, to come to this agreement, and there was a lot of back-and-forth, and i just want to say that i am in support
of this. i spoke last week at the port commission meeting, and i know the port commission will vote on it next week, but we have a lot of good feedback there as well. and i have had a lot of conversations with the port director who is absolutely onboard, on board, and he really worked with us on the rent rates and all that kind of stuff. thank you for sticking with it with us and collaborating, and we are happy that we will have an m.o.u. going forward. i know you have others with other departments as well. >> that's right. we have them with the police department, with the department of elections, department of homelessness now, as you have read about, we got to open our second navigation centre on port property.
recreation and park, all of which include, by the way, payment of rent. it is not singling you out. >> we also have a work order with you for our fireboat staffing and dry docking and all that stuff, which is separate from this. anyways, i am in support of this moving forward, and thank you again for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. at this time, commissioner freeman. >> thank you very much for your presentation. i have a couple of questions. how do you establish the market rate rent? >> that is a good question. one thing that we do is every year, the port commission approves a parameter rent rate. these are rental rates for different types of port properties where if the rent
charged falls within these narrow bands for these different types of property, then it doesn't need to go back specifically to the port commission, it is already approved. so that was one of the reasons why i had this slide showing the turn parcels because, you know, the submerged land is one rate. >> i would hope so. >> yeah. it is the lowest rate as you can imagine, you know, there is a rate for improved open land, there is a rate for unimproved land in certain parts of the port, so here, i think it was the submerged land, improved land, which is the marginal wharf area, and then for the historic firehouse, what we did is we charged our lowest building rate, which is a shed rate. we have, you know, a lot of our
finger peers have sheds, warehouses, and -- >> what was that rate? >> i have it somewhere. i believe it is a dollar 60 per square foot is where we ended up , but i have said, as part of our negotiations, we actually took those rates and in some cases, chop them in half. i think originally we had an office rate for that building and then we realize that is not appropriate for this. so i think the water parcel rate , which is the biggest parcel, is initially -- the parameter is around 20 cents, but we are able -- we cut that in half to 10 cents a square foot. >> you gave us a discount because were not charging you for fire protection. >> well, that's not exactly true
, you know, as chief nicholson alluded to, we are being charged through a work order for the fireboat his, but, yes, there is additional services that you provide, so we did take that into account. >> thank you. >> sure. >> thank you very much. [indiscernible] >> thank you for coming out here for presenting and giving us your slides. you filled in a lot of blanks that i had winners reading over this. you do charge for the police department to rent? >> yes, we do, and i haven't been involved in that one, but, you know, they have this driving range facility, training facility down in southern waterfront, and we have a new agreement with them for that,
which is in the millions of dollars because it is a lot of land. >> what about the land off of the hyde street. >> i'm not entirely sure what the lease is on that. again, in general, it is -- it is actually a port policy that dates back to 1987 to charge other city departments, obviously we are an enterprise agency, we don't receive general funds, we also are trustees under the public trust, and we are required by state law -- again, to charge fair market rent, but how do we determine what that is? it is somewhat subjective and up to us.
>> so are you saying you do charge the police department for that facility? >> i'm not entirely sure, but in pretty sure we do, and i know for a fact that we do down in the southern waterfront for the driving range. >> okay. is it unusual to charge -- i noticed the square footage because i was looking at it, i had a big question how you got the 37,000 square feet since the building is floating, it is not 37 square feet, but you are charging for the water space as well that the boats will be at? >> yes. >> do you do that for other boats, as well? >> it depends on the use, but certainly for something being constructed overwater, if it is just a birth on existing facility, then we's birthing right -- -- then we's birthing rate, but it is considered
submerged land. >> it will provide for birthing but it is also going to be an active firehouse with quarters for the firefighters and their equipment and all of that, so we determined that the area that is going to be occupied to be that amount, we measured that up -- >> can you put this light up again? >> sure. >> so people can see what we are talking about. >> it is basically the footprint >> right. the green part, the actual footprint of the building is much smaller, what you're charging as for the green part, even for areas that we couldn't even get to, light between the dock -- >> i guess it is -- it extends
to the birthing area on the side of the building, as well. >> right. i see that where the two boats would be. i'm assuming the size of the boats for the st. francis and the older boat, the phoenix. okay, so that is not unusual. you have other leases when you are charging for the space. >> absolutely. >> so the old station 35 is on peers? >> correct. >> so the red area that you have there, the dilapidated. , we will pay to remove that, right. >> correct. >> so that is not -- that will be gone. >> and we are paying for that? >> yes. >> and then the area to the right of fire station 35, there's kind of what looksik