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we'll hope to have you back. also a thanks to judge lynn toler. her book is "making marriage work" and her tv show is "divorce court." look for it. various listness around the country. >> all over. >> check your local listings. >> we got harsh on judges today. i want to be clear, again, like yourself, judges are some of the most bright, upstanding -- >> dedicated. >> dedicated people i know. >> caringdedicated, caring peop. and it's just the few bad ones that get all the press and the good ones. >> got to go. nancy grace starts right now. breaking news tonight. live westminster, colorado. 8:30 a.m. this little girl, 10-year-old jessica ridgeway, walks three blocks en route to school. mommy watches as she walks away from home. jessica never seen again. then a terrible find.
the awful discovery. 10-year-old jessie's body dismembered, just a few miles from her own home. bombshell tonight. in the last hours an arrest goes down in the murder and dismemberment of 10-year-old schoolgirl jessie. a 17-year-old college students, a crime scene tech wanna-be who dreamed of being a mortician. >> we have made an arrest in the jessica ridgeway case. 17-year-old austin sigg is in our custody. >> a warrant is being served on a home. an arrest is being made. this are two charges, one and two, that are listed as first-degree murder. those are two counts related to the jessica ridgeway case there is a kidnapping case, or charge
number three that is related to the jessica ridgeway case. >> we notified the ridgeway family of this arrest. >> justice for jessica is a process. this is the beginning of that process. >> this arrest gives them some measure of closure in dealing with this horrible tragedy and loss that they have suffered. we believe we have taken a significant step towards justice for jessica. >> i don't think i can look at this person into his face and not be judgmental. i think that it is all i have within me to not want to just burn him and i mean burn him. and i mean burn him. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. bombshell tonight. we are live in westminster, colorado. an arrest goes down in the last hours in the murder and dismemberment of a 10-year-old little schoolgirl. the perp allegedly a 17-year-old college student, a crime scene
tech wanna-be who dreamed of being a mortician. and as we go to air, worse goes to worse. we are now hearing that the child's body parts that were missing from the scene, the field where she was thrown away like trash beside a garbage bag, those missing body parts now apparently being taken out of the 17-year-old's home in crawl spaces in and below the home. you know, for those of you like me who send your children to school, this mother watches her child walk three blocks to meet up with friends to walk to school. she is never seen again. and tonight the alleged
perpetrator, a 17-year-old college student, a student who competed in crime scene technology competitions, who dreamed of being a mortician is now charged in dismembering this child's body. we are live on the scene there in westminster with cnn correspondent jim spellman. jim, what can you tell me? >> this is chelsea park, nancy. this is the park where little jessica would come and meet her friends. her home is just a couple of blocks this way. you can almost see it around the corner. shocking to find that this young man, this alleged murderer, austin sigg just about a mile this way. he lives close to a lake where police say in may, an attempted abduction took place. they are able to somehow, we
don't know how, connect jessica's appearance to that attempted abduction there with this young man. he lives just about a block and a half away from that lake here. everybody unfortunately neighbors in this case, nancy. >> i can tell you one way they will be able to connect him, jim spellman, everyone, jim joining us there on the scene, is because there is going to be eyewitness identifications made of him. probably his other victims have already made photo identifications. you do that from a photo array as police call it. you show the victim, a series of five to seven photos usually. one of them is the alleged perp, this college student, this mortician wanna-be, and they pick him out. so you're probably going to get photographic idahos. they'll back that up with lineups, in-person lineups. and there is always the possibility of dna. jim spellman, i want to hear
what they are finding in his home, in the home of 17-year-old austin reed sigg, held right now on no bond, as he should be. >> sure. some cnn affiliates here in denver, excellent reporters all of them, are reporting in his confession, essentially, last night, to police, he said that in that very home in a crawl space that there were human remains. we haven't been able to independently to confirm that, nancy. police have been searching there all day. we know they took away an suv from the driveway in the front of the house. and there were investigators around the back of the house, and in and out of the house all day. they set up sheeting to cover the view where they were bringing out evidence and they blocked off the entire area to anybody but residents while they do their investigation. a good amount of time has gone by since may and even since jessica disappeared. they have to fill in all the gaps of what has again on since.
>> jim spellman, i can tell you this much. i don't know what they are pulling out of that house. when you have local crime scene techs and police pitching a tent in your drive way, they're getting evidence. all right. that is what is happening right now. now, i guarantee you this vehicle this you see being put up, towed away, they are taking it straight to the police department where it's going to be combed over by crime scene techs for hair, for fiber, for dna, for blood, anything they can find. jim spellman, cnn correspondent joining me live there at westminster. jim, can you tell me, what's the cops thinking? how did he allegedly get the little girl into his vehicle? what happened? >> well, we haven't really heard an exact theory on that, but he must have known this neighborhood so well. it's a lot of curvy streets and cul-de-sacs and dead ends. there are no major streets between jessica's home and his home. he would have known the area very well. just driving through here and
getting familiar with the area you can see how it really wouldn't be that difficult for somebody who is 17 years old to dealing with somebody who is only a precious little girl who is 10 years old to try to get her into a vehicle and be out of here in a matter of minutes. >> joining me jim spellman. also with us tonight, investigative journalist rita cosby. rita, he tried this on about that we know of three or four people already. so if you look at those m.o.s, modus operandi, method of operation. if you don't know a horse, rita, look at his track record. there he was at ketner lake -- let's see a shot of ketner lake, liz -- where several of his other alleged victims were. one was a boy he tried to drag over a fence. there was a female jogger and maybe another. he approaches them, typically may use a chemical-soaked rag to put over their face, and then
that's it. the rest is all history. it's all over. what do we know, rita? >> the good things is you pointed out that jogger this was the case in may that jim was talking about actually saw him go by. he had a baseball cap and glasses on, but she was able to give cops a good description. the other thing we know is this guy, this monster, this mortician wanna-be, austin reed sigg, 17 years old has indeed confessed to police. apparently he first confessed to his mother. his mother got suspicious of something, maybe saw something. heard something, who knows what? then she called police and then he confessed. we do know how little jessica got into the vehicle. apparently he told authorities that he saw her, he grabbed her, he pulled her into his vehicle, which is why that jeep cherokee is now being inspected head to toe, as you pointed out. and then he says he strangled her and left some of her body parts in that crawl space under the house. he apparently told authorities exactly where to look in the
small, dank crawl space under the home. as you point out, the other parts of her remains were found about seven, eight miles away. it is just absolutely horrific. but the good news is he is talking. we don't know what other cases he is connected to, as you pointed out, nancy. he could do a lot of wandering. >> the fact that they pitched a tent, literally pitched a tent in his drive way is suggesting to me that he may have done the dismemberment of this child in of this little girl, in that home. >> that's what i thought too. >> here is the next question. where is his mother while he is dismembering a body in the home? she had to know that this child was missing. it was all over the news. we were covering it every night. and did the mother turn him in? what happened? what do we know? >> yeah, the mother did turn him in. we don't know where the mother was during this. i thought the exact same thing as you nancy. when they pitch tents, you and i have covered so many of these cases, they clearly have some very significant evidence. for them to right away pinpoint the remains belonging to
jessica, they have some substantial stuff. and who knows what else is in that crawl space. maybe other remains, other clues to other cases in the area. we know the mother apparently got some information, then he confessed to the mother. so maybe she found something, discovered something. as you point out, it was all over the news. she called the cops. he confessed first to her and then he confessed to the cops. we know he has been describing in graphic detail at least this case. we don't know about other cases. as you point out, usually it's not the first time, as we know. >> joining me right now is renowned professor of forensic science dr. henry lee. dr. henry lee, thank you for being with us. >> sure. >> henry, a search warrant is being served right now, it's been going on for hours and hours and hours at the suspect's home. we believe that there are some of the child's body parts still in the home, that they are recovering in crawl spaces. henry lee, what are they looking for and how long is this task
going to take? >> well, basically they are going to link first those body parts to jessie. if additional body parts could be a serial killer. of course, how the body was dismembered, use a saw, a knife or ax. more or likely they are looking for weapon. because the body parts are at the crawl space at his home, that's a direct linkage. some of the clothing was found in a backpack. they are probably looking for shoes, look for other material. whether or not there are other bodies buried under the crawl space, that's probably they also are going to be looking for. it is going to be a long process to check the home very
thoroughly and methodically to find every piece of evidence to put this whole case together. >> dr. henry lee, renowned scientist in his field, henry, >> terrible. >> if he dismembered this child -- >> yes. >> -- this 10-year-old girl in the home, where did he likely do it in the home? i'm saying basement or bathroom? and how will police be able to determine if this is a secondary crime scene? >> yes. that's a good point, very good point, whether or not the kidnapping obviously is near the park. so the van was used. whether or not he strangled the kids in the van or not. of course dismembering, we have to look at it, the sink trap, bathroom trap to check everything. of course, the weapon would tell us, yes.
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pleased to announce that today i believe that we have taken a significant step towards justice for jessica. >> hoping and praying that she comes home safely. >> i just want her back home. >> we have made an arrest in the jessica ridgeway case. >> the arrest was made today. >> why would somebody do that? >> we are live and taking your calls. we are live in westminster, colorado.
in the last hours, an arrest goes down in the murder and the dismemberment of a 10-year-old little girl walking to school. who is the perp? the prime suspect is a college student, a crime scene aficionado who wants to be a mortician. there he is. austin reed sigg. at this hour tents are pitched by police in front of his home as they search for additional body parts of this 10-year-old little girl. she is just walking to school that morning. we are taking your calls. joining me right now there in westminster, along with jim spellman, nia bender, tnn, denver. nia, what is the latest?
>> well, the latest is at this point is apparently the suspect has now told police that he will tell them where additional body parts are. and as you know, you kind of know the rest is where he is sitting right now. his first court appearance is tomorrow morning at 8:00 a.m. in jefferson county court. >> okay. nia, you and i have been covering this case from the very beginning. i'm trying to take in what you just said. so you are telling me that he's telling police where additional body parts are. he didn't just throw them away. he didn't put them in the trash junk. he basically hoarded them. he hid them where he can have access to the body parts. the last time i heard of anything being hidden in a crawl space was john wayne gacy, the serial killer. so this guy is hiding the little
girl's body parts in the crawl space in his home, and there is a third spot? he has hidden her body parts somewhere else? nia? >> all right. we don't have confirmation that, you know, he has them in his home or anything like that. all that was released to us by westminster police was the fact he has told them he will tell them where the other body parts are. >> out to matt zarrell also on the story. weigh in on that. >> nancy, in addition to searching at the home, one thing that investigators are looking at are reports of examining the contents of what looks like a construction dumpster across the street from the suspect's home. so if he did allegedly dismember her, maybe they're looking for additional evidence inside the dumpster. straight from the microwave. like oven-roasted chicken in a creamy alfredo sauce. marie callender's new comfort bakes. it's time to savor.
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he is 17 years old. >> 17-year-old austin sigg is in our custody. >> it is all i have within me to not want to just burn him. >> we hope also that knowing that an arrest has been made in this case can cause our community to rest a little easier. >> a 10-year-old girl walks to school. she is never seen again. tonight we are hearing reports that a 17-year-old who lived not far from the little girl is where she lived with her mother is responsible for her death and dismemberment. i want to go straight out to a
neighbor of austin sigg, that 17-year-old college student. brooke olds is with us. she is just 13 years old. and she lives there in the neighborhood. brooke, thank you for being with us, dear. >> hi. >> brooke, thank you for being with us. brooke, how did you know 17-year-old austin sigg? >> we used to play a lot when we were younger. >> and what is he like? brooke, was he different from any of the other -- others in the neighborhood? >> he was really quiet and shy. and i never really saw him hang out with anybody other than like us really. >> brooke, i understand he played with a lot of the neighborhood girls like hide the flag, different games with girls?
related to the jessica ridgeway case. there is a kidnapping case for charge number three. >> in the last hours an arrest goes down in the kidnap, the death, and the dismemberment of this little 10-year-old schoolgirl, jessica ridgeway. after an entire nation is riveted on her disappearance, the answer to the riddle was close to home. a man now suspected in multiple attempts on others including children. it was never publicized, nor was he apprehended, is now behind bars in the death and dismemberment of 10-year-old jessica. why weren't those attacks publicized? could this have been stopped? with me right now is a little girl, in my mind, so blessed because on many, many occasions, she played with this 17-year-old
college student, austin reed sigg. with me is 13-year-old brooke olds, sigg's neighbor. brooke, again, thank you for being with us. you mentioned earlier that he used to play with you and other of your little girlfriends. did he ever creep you out? and if so, why? >> yes. sometimes he did because he only wanted to play with us. and the only times he wanted to was if he could come over to our house or come in our house or in our backyard. he wanted to find some way to be able to hang out with us. and he would ask and ask constantly. and a lot of times we would say no because it would kind of creep us out. >> is it true that he often wore black and chains on his body? >> yeah. he often wore black pants. the same -- it kind of looked like they were the same black
pants. and they, like, had chains and zippers all over them. yeah. >> did he have a lot of friends? and what games would you guys play? >> he didn't have many friends other than us that i know of. because he never -- like whenever i saw him on his scooter in the neighborhood, he was always by himself, and he never talked about other friends. he only talked about playing with us. and the games we normally played were capture the flag and hide and go seek and tag. >> and so he is several years older than you, but yet he is playing hide and go seek with little girls? >> yeah. >> um, we are taking your calls but first i want to go to marc klaas, president, founder of clast kids foundation. marc, i want to hear your input. >> well, this guy is a
situational offender. he is a budding serial killer. he is a superpredator. if they hadn't gotten him off the streets, blood would have flown through the streets of suburban denver until they did. so, you know, now jessica's parents know who did this. their fear that turned to anger now has a recipient, as does the anger of the entire community. and i hope that they can use this opportunity to increase surveillance on school routes, to increase surveillance within the community, and to find other ways to protect those vulnerable citizens who are the prey of individuals like this character sigg. >> you know, marc, i'm just sick because he had tried to attack several people, according to reports, around the lake, ketner lake, and it was never publicized. flyers were not put up.
don't you know, marc clast if a mother like myself had seen a flyer out in the neighborhood, there is no way i would let my child walk even three blocks to school with some perv out to grab little boys and joggers, no way! but there were no flyers. there was nothing posted, nothing, nothing. nobody knew. >> and even if his mother had known before, she might have done something. it is so unusual for a mother to turn her own child in. we see so many parents that turn a blind eye, the anthonys, et cetera, et cetera, that she could have taken action before and little jessica could have been saved. >> unleash the lawyers. criminal defense attorney, author of "how can you defend those people?" anne brimmer in -- brimner, seattle. and jennifer, family law attorney. the fact that his mother turned him in, there is no privilege under the law between mother and child. what he tells her absolutely will come into court. >> i agree.
his con feast fegs to her is going to come. that's not unusual. the unibomber his brother turned him. this guy is like a junior jeffrey dahmer. he is obviously insane. i know you will jump all over me for that. his crime was so evil that the community wants him to be punished as harshly as possible including the death penalty. >> well, insane under the law as you well know is the ultimate test brought over from great britain under our american common law. do you know right from wrong at the time of the incident. anne brimner, all three of us have tried a lot of cases. we know for a fact that he covered up his crime, lied about his crime, shows that he did know it was wrong, ann. come on, ann, how else can i put it out this? what is a nice way to say it? they are looking for body parts ann, according to reports. >> they are. and it is horrific. in colorado, look at james holmes case, the theater murders, in colorado the state has to prove that he is sane,
that the defendant is sane. think about that. you know that. it's the one place that still is federal law before hinckley. and the fact that they're trying to prove that someone is sane, proving this guy is sane with body parts and maybe more body parts and everything else. >> you know, brimner, i like you a lot, but don't tune up with me. second verse same as the first. clearly try to talk sense into her. this guy is not insane under the law. just because what he did is heinous does not mean he is insane. >> one does not equal the other. and his acts are vile. as mr. clast said, he shows a pattern of behavior, of predatory behavior, of prior bad acts. and it's all going to add up and show that he had a plan. >> we are taking your calls straight out to mona, arizona. hi, dear. what's your question? >> caller: nancy, earlier i've been watching this as it broke
news today. one of the neighbors mentioned that the mother had a boyfriend that moved out about a month ago. i want to know who this boyfriend is, where he works. was he in a mortuary, what influence he had on this boy. >> you know, i would like to know that too, mona in arizona. but i will tell you right now, regardless if he had a bad influence on him, if they played these crazy games together, i'm going to go to you on that very quickly, matt zarrell, unless he took part in this crime, he is not going to be charged. matt zarrell, what are some of these games he played? >> okay, nancy, he was known as an intense gamer. one of them is call of duty, which is a military shooting game, a violent military shooting game. another is called world of warcraft, which is an online fantasy game played with hundreds of thousands of people in a fantasy world so to speak. >> to bethany marshall. we need a shrink, no offense, lawyers. psychoanalyst, author of "deal
breakers." world of warcraft? his life-long dream he wants to be -- embalming people? >> nancy, this guy reminds me of jeffrey dahmer. with jeffrey dahmer, it was not enough to kill. jeffrey dahmer wanted to incinerate, burn, destroy, melt body parts. remember, jeffrey dahmer bore -- would drill holes in his victims' skulls. he would put torsos in plastic buckets full of chemicals. so that the torsos would melt. he gathered the body parts so that he could have control over them and for his sexual satisfaction. so with this guy, i think you are seeing not just a pattern of homicide, but almost either cannibalism, a fetishizing of body parts, a perverse wish to have control over the body. and there may be more parts in that house. >> interesting that he is
hoarding body parts. to the lawyers. sherman, brimner. mickey, another question is this. let me see mickey, please. mickey, i have seen offenders confess to a murder, but they will not confess to molesting a child. i mean the best we can pray for here, mickey, is that he knocked her out with some type of you know, knockout gas on a rag like he tried to do to the jogger. how can you explain all of jessica's little clothes neatly folded up on her book bag? >> i think most investigators would tell you this is not a sexual offense. it is an offense born out of power and some other type of insanity. le like you. and regions is here to help. with the experience and service to keep things rolling. from business loans to cash management, we want to be your partner moving forward. so switch to regions.
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we have made an arrest in the jessica ridgeway case. >> a little girl snatched while simply walking to school. >> how safe is our neighborhood? >> we want to determine if there any connection to those two. >> rita cosby, investigative journalist. i'm getting in facts as we're on the air right now. what's the latest? >> yeah, there is some new very disturbing details, nancy. kdvr, which is a local affiliate in that area is saying that he, apparently austin sigg confessed to hog-tieing her and then strangling jessica ridgeway, then leaving her torso in a particular area of the park and then taking her backpack and leaving that several miles away in order to, quote, distract authorities. i think this shows how much he was plotting and planning. again, according to kdvr authorities. >> rita, we have covered a lot
of cases, but i just want to tear him apart with my bare hands. hog-tied a 10-year-old little girl and smothered her? then put her torso in one spot and the book bag in another spot to throw off the cops? whoa! hold on, didn't you leave something out there, rita? how did her body, her hog-tied, strangled body suddenly just be a torso? aren't you leaving out the dismemberment, rita cosby? >> no, you're absolutely right. the other thing, too, that is interesting, friends are saying we don't know how he dismembered the body, but friends are saying he had a fascination with knives, and he was collecting knives and different weapons in his home. it's horrible. >> cw jensen, retired police
captain, weigh in. >> i -- i think we're all thankful that his mother called after whatever she -- whatever horrible things she found, because this kid, and thankfully he is going to be tried as an adult, would have reoffended and reoffended and reoffended. >> how do i know, jensen, that he hasn't already? and all this while you're giving thanks? listen to this, jensen. he can participate in a rope course, frisbee, golf, soccer, volleyball, gardening, read, visitors. he is some place called -- where is he? the jail amenities here at mountain view youth services center. while he hog-tied a 10-year-old little girl and strangled her, and now he is out playing frisbee? no!
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we are live in westminster and taking your calls. a little girl that is the neighbor of the suspect austin sigg. >> when you learned that austin sigg is likely responsible for the murder of this girl, a 10-year-old schoolgirl, were you shocked, or did it just not surprise you? >> i was extremely shocked. i could never like ever imagine him doing something like this. >> why? >> i don't know. it just doesn't seem that he would have done it. no matter how strange he acted, i couldn't ever imagine someone that close to me doing something like that. >> you know, i want to go to nia and jim on the scene.
what is the reaction of the neighbors and the community of jessica's mother? i don't see how she can even put one foot in front of the other, even get out of her bed knowing just the little bit that we know tonight about what happened to her daughter. nia? >> i can't imagine either. the one thing i do know is the community is breathing a sigh of relief. but no, as a mom who's lost a child, i know how he passed away. i can't even imagine the horror of thinking about what that little girl went through prior to being killed. >> jim spellman, why -- why is he in a facility where he can play frisbee and soccer and check out books and have visitors and watch tv? why? >> i spoke to a court official who told me that could change
after tomorrow morning. he is a juvenile even though he has been charged as an adult. he is in a juvenile facility. he could go in to isolation tomorrow. >> and i want to go to you, dr. bethany marshall, a lot of the neighbors can't believe it but look at what we are learning about him, fixated on dead bodies, played with little girls almost exclusively, a loner, a white male, there in the neighborhood. >> he fits the profile and it's so creepy. every time he went to those girls homes you know he was scoping out the window, how to enter a window at night. he had a fantasy life going and dr. lee is right. there's a sexual component. sadism is one of the five perversions. >> everyone for those just joining us, an arrest has gone down in the last hours