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this sunday, terror in london. a van downed pedestrians on london bridge and then the three occupants stab customers at nearby bars and restaurants. >> i see people running and screaming. people were injured. it's the worst dave my life. >> seven people are killed. dozens more wounded. prime minister teresa may responds this morning. >> we believe we are experiencing a new trend in the threat we face. >> we'll have the latest. plus, the u.s. pulls out of the paris climate change accord. president trump says the agreement helps other countries at the expense of the u.s. economy. >> i was elected to represent the citizens of pittsburgh, not paris. >> the reaction is swift. >> it's an extraordinary advocation of american leadership.
it is a shameful moment for the united states. and the biggest moment yet in the russia investigation. former fbi director james comey will testify before congress after being fired while investigating possible links between russian election hacking and the trump campaign. >> as with any counter intelligence investigation thshlgs also include an assessment of whether any crimes with are committed. >> our guest this is morning, former secretary of state john kerry and epa administrator scott pruitt. joining me for inside an analysis are hugh hewitt, host of the sail he will radio network, stephy cutter, michael gerson, columnist for "the washington post" and hearth mcghee, president of the progressive group demos. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." good sunday morning. we have three big stories that we're following. the u.s. withdrawal from the
paris climate agreement. former fbi director james comey set to testify on capitol hill and once again we're waking up to news of a terror attack and once again, it happened in the uk. seven people are dead plus the three attackers and dozens more are wounded in an attack by three men whom first mowed down pedestrians at london bridge last night and then began stabbing people who were simply enjoying a saturday evening at nearby bars and restaurants. the three men were shot and killed by london police and this morning we learned that 12 people had been arrested according to metropolitan police in london. here's witnesses describing the attack. >> i'm saw people running and screaming. somebody was injured. i see people with some blood. and it was the worst day of my life. >> a lot of loud noises and then people, you know, running, screaming. and then police sirens came in. >> they started to tell us to evacuate. >> i said to my friend, i said look, there is quite a few police here.
she said i think it's normal. and then we heard the sirens and saw the people. we were like, no, this isn't right. >> british prime minister teresa may responded this morning. >> we cannot and must not pretend that things can continue as they are. there is to be frank far too much tolerance of extremism in our country. so we need to become far morrow bust in identifying it and stamping it out. >> some very tough talk there from the prime minister. we get the latest from richard engel who is on the ground in london. richard, we heard there a very defiant prime minister. what do we know this morning? >> well, she needs to be defiant. this country has seen three terrorist attacks in the last three months. the latest one took place just after 10:00 last night, taking place behind me. a white van came barrelling down london bridge going on to the curb coming off the curb, chasing people down, mowing
people down. then the van came to a stop. the three men jumped out carrying knives and they started slashing, stabbing people who were at bars and restaurants. to their credit, a lot of people tried to resist. they were throwing bottles at the attackers, using chairs to barricade the doors. it's impressive considering the attackers were wearing what looked like suicide vests. they turned out to be fakes. police arrived very quickly on the scene. they say within eight minutes of getting the call, they were here and shot the three attackers dead. >> we are not very far removed from the attack in manchester. in fact, tonight ariana grande is having the memorial concert there in support of the manchester attack. the prime minister said she thought this was a copycat. that there wasn't a connection s that good news or bad news? >> well, it's a little bit of both. it's good news that there's not one big cell. the manchester attack was more
sophisticated than this. it used a very advanced bomb. there was some fear that a bomb make core still be on the loose. the bad news is these attacks keep happening. so the extremists are able to draw from a fairly large pool of willing attackers in this country. ter ease why may said that not only have there been these three terrorist attacks in the last three months but there were also five thwarted attacks. five attacks, three that got through, that's not a good record. i think that's why you're seeingter ease wseeing teresa may talking tough. this is the holy month of ramadan. isis called for its supporters to carry out attacks during ramadan. isis made the same call last year during ramadan. and there were a lot of people who took up that call. you had the orlando attack. you had an attack at the istanbul airport, the daka cafe. this could be a long muslim holy month. >> richard in london, thank you very much.
we're five days removed, five days away from the uk snap elections. joining me now is our nbc news national security analyst. obviously, you ran the counter-terrorism center for us. one of the interesting thing thas that the prime minister said is it's time to stop denying them safe space. she is talking about safe space in the digital environment. that's what they brought up first, not people going back and forth to syria. >> i think she's right. she sees that people are not necessarily just going to syria and training, they're staying in london and manchester and getting that engagement. she made this a priority at the g-7 conference on digital policing. there needed to be much greater activity from the technology companies in silicon valley and participating with governments to offense what had become digital safe havens. >> let's get down to what viewers are concerned about and, frankly mshgs of
frankly, many of us can. why is this a bigger problem for the uk than the united states? >> we're not immune to it. we have a lot of antibodies set thaupt uk doesn't. the uk muslim population has more of an extremism problem. they're more isolated. there is less engage ment with nonmuslims, they're less economically well off. we don't have those same demographic factors in the united states. so the fbi does look at investigations all across the country. there are risks like this. obviously we have cars. we have knives. we have guns. >> right. >> so we have the risks. but we never had the same degree, same volume, same speed of radicalization that the uk, belgium, and the french have h. >> the frez to one of the things he tweeted this morning, he tweeted a lot this morning. one thing he tweeted, we need to be smart, vigilant and tough. we need the courts to give back our rights. we need the travel ban as an extra level of safety. is the concern about taker nix this country having to do with folks coming into this country or american citizens?
>> i have to say, the travel ban is like the old line if, you're a haermmer, everything looks li a nail. we have a risk. that travel ban is a hammer looking for a nail. we have a domestic issue. we have to address that domestic issue. cases like this, that travel ban has nothing to do with it. yeah, we have to screen people carefully. we have to look at them. simultaneously, we do have to look at the digital landscape and the safe havens overseas and that immigration ban would do nothing on those fronts. >> one thing she wants to do, prime minister may, get the western economies together to put this pressure on silicon valley. we have a first amendment in this country. the uk does not. there are limits to what the united states could do if she really wants facebook or whoever to essentially police these groups. >> there is going to be a you have tough one. she knows the uk alone doesn't have the market authority to regulate these technologies.
but that's why she's trying to use the g-7. you're right. whether it's end to end incription or requiring reporting from the technology companies, we have legal constitutional limitation that's other countries don't have. that may make it harder for the u.s. administration to get perfectly in line with what teresa may wants. >> all right, mike at leitter, sorry to see you on a sunday more than like this. >> you, too. >> the growing russia investigation and the u.s. withdrawal from the pair it climate agreement this thursday, former fbi director james comey who president trump says he fired for reasons that included "this russia thing" testifies before the intelligence committee. later in the broadcast, i'll be joined by my newest colleague megyn kelly who interviewed putin on friday. this past thursday, president trump announced the u.s. was pulling out of the paris climate accord. joining me now, someone who's perfectly situated to address all of this morning's major stories, former secretary of
state john kerry. bl secreta mr. secretary, welcome back to "meet the press," sir. >> good morning. >> you heard michael. you heard a little bit of what the prime minister teresa may said. i want to focus on that specific phrase she used, mr. secretary. that extremism, tolerance of extremism has been too -- for too long, too much tolerance of this extremism in the uk. is she right? >> well, that's a judgement she's going have to make about their own relationship with the muslim community and great britain. as michael just said, they've had a long standing problem with respect to greater levels of alienation, a harder time assimilating into the broader british society. a lack of similar opportunity. so there are a lot of ingredients. and i'm going to leave it to her and to them to sort that out, particularly five days before an
election. let me just say that obviously every american feels as if we were attacked also. it wasn't anybody in america today who doesn't reach out and express our sorrow and solidarity with the british people. but the fact is that if people want to kill themselves, this is really hard for law enforcement. and i know from my own law enforcement days how hard people work and how significant the intelligence gathering and coordination component of this is. but if someone is ready to just go out and meet a fuselage of law enforcement bullets and die, you can take people with you. and what we really need to do is focus more, i believe, not on a travel ban as michael said. travel ban will be cannon fodder to the recruiters. it's the worst thing we can do. but we do need to do -- we do
extraordinary screening but a great deal more effort has to go into the building of community, the reaching out and working with these entities, with these sectors of society so that there is not as significant a gap as there is in many parts of the world, by the way, not just in britain, all over the world there is too much distance between government and the people. >> do you think -- look, she's calling for much more pressure to be put on the digital companies, silicon valley whether it's, you know, a what's app messaging service, facebook, there's a lot of tools that these groups are able to use. >> but i think it's a mistake -- >> do you think silicon valley does have a greater responsibility here than they're taking? >> silicon valley has major responsibility and most -- i mean almost every come kmp comp is engaged in dialogue with the
government. we worked closely with them as i was serving as secretary. but, look, dash put out a message. they can put it out on the internet. they can put it out in many different ways saying to people during ramadan you should attack people with cars, knives, and guns. now if you turn around and just blame that message exclusively on the internet, we're making an enormous mistake. and if we reach too far without being sensitive to our own values, we give them an extraordinary victory. so there is a balance here. the bottom line is that in too many places and too many parts of the world you've got a large gap between governance and people. and between the opportunities those people have -- we talked about this after paris. >> right. >> we talked about this after belgium. this is the same problem of people living in isolation and not feeling as if they have a sufficient stake in society in their world that life is worth
living. and if you want to take your own life, you can take other lives with you. >> mr. secretary, i want to move to the paris deal. you were involved. that's why we invited you on the show. i want to go back -- >> i hope that's not the only reason. >> i understand. that i want to go way back machine here, the financial times back when you were negotiating this. here was what was said. "some experts have argued while mr. obama is making a case for a deal, there is no guarantee that successor assuming it is a climate change skeptic wouldn't walk away from a paris climate agreement. because of the approach during the campaign on the issues such as climate change." do you now regret not making this treaty ratified in the united states senate, forcing it to be codified here? >> no. really i'm not. it wouldn't have happened. that's very simple. let's be realistic about it.
the president made an executive agreement because that was best that we could do. and we presumed that common sense, that basic economics, that science would ultimately prevail. i don't think anybody could have predicted that we would have seen a story like we saw in the "new york times" today about how the republican party has traveled lock, stock and barrel into the hands of the coke brothers and special interests where they're prepared to stand up and deny science and deny facts. what does donald trump know that rex tillerson, the former ceo of exxon mobil doesn't know? what does the ceo of apple, google, general electric, companies all across america who urged the president not to pull out what does donald trump know that president xi who runs an enormous economy or president
macron or teresa america wimay know? his whole staff can't tell you whether or not he believes the climate change is a hoax. i will say to you if you truly understand the science, if you have done due diligence and home work, there is no way can you not conclude that that there's an urgency to doing something and you would not pull out of paris. >> obviously you have a roadblock of a good chunk of americans who do not believe this urgency. you just laid out a case that you think they've been misled. what could you -- >> majority of americans -- >> i understand. >> the majority of americans support climate change and staying if paris. >> i know. but as you understand, there is a political divide. and the president does feel politically secure with his base that they're comfortable with this decision. it tells me that your message
hasn't penetrated essentially red america. why? >> well, because there's an anger and a frustration in a lot of parts of america by average folks who have felt like they're getting screwed by the government and by life over the course of last years. if you look at what's happened with respect to the economic crisis of 2008 and '09 and look at our tax structure and you look at the favor that's are done for powerful interests and you look at the average person working harder and not getting ahead, there's every reason for people to be very angry and very disposed to put first above all their economic situation. so i'm not surprised. there's no surprise to me that you can camouflage as they are in a phoney economic argument that has no relationship to the reality of what is happening in the marketplace. last year because of paris, more money was spent on alternative
renewable and sustainable development search and implementation than on fossil fuels. and when donald trump says to the world, well, we're going to negotiate a better deal. i mean, you know, he's going to go out and find a better deal. that's like -- i mean that's like o.j. simpson saying he's going to find the real killer. he's not doing to do that because he doesn't believe in it f you did believe it, you wouldn't pull out of paris. america has unilaterally seeded global leadership on this issue which for years even republican presidents george h.w. bush, you know, pushed in this direction. >> let me go back to tone and messaging again. again, look, we're having -- there's the facts and figures that demand attention. there's no doubt about it. but at the endst day, you know this is cultural. this becomes something different, as you just very well describe. but you also made -- you also said this decision was "a decision acted with stupidity and self destructiveness and
ignorance." the reason i highlight those words is that many people in red america hear that and they think, geez, they think i'm stupid. do you think the messaging needs to change in how you talk about this and how you create a since of urgency with this chunk of america that isn't listening to you? >> yes, no question about it. there has to be far more focus on the economic message. i think if you look at red america, about 2.6 million to 3 million jobs that are existing in america today in a fast growing sector of our economy and of those 50% of people are in red states that donald trump won. so because of this decision, american leadership in those sectors is now going to be put at risk. we could lose some of our ability to be able to grow those jobs. and in, fact, lose out on the largest market of the future. the biggest market in the world
in the future is going to be trillions of dollars spent in the sector of energy. and if the united states is isolated itself now standing only with syria and with nicaragua, nick w-- nicaragua wanted to do more. i think we do have to do a better job pointing out to people how this is part of the economic future. we also have to -- you know, donald trump says he represents the forgotten man. what about the forgotten children in america who are hospitalized in the summer because of the quality of air with the environmental induced asthma? what about the forgotten farmer who is suffering from crop dislocation, from drought, from water -- i mean all kinds of problems. tell me about the foregoent citize -- for get for gotten citizens of new orns leans? we have to talk to the same
forgotten people in america and make a better argument about how their lives are negatively affected. >> secretary kerry, busy morning. i appreciate you coming own and sharing views on this extraordinary sunday. thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> when we come back, we're going to hear from the trump administration on the decision to pull out of the paris agreement. agreement. their experience is coveted. their leadership is instinctive. they're experts in things you haven't heard of. researchers of technologies that one day you will. some call them the best of the best. some call them veterans. we call them our team. so we need tablets installed... with the menu app ready to roll. in 12 weeks. yeah. ♪ ♪ the world of fast food is being changed by faster networks.
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was keeping a promise he made during the campaign. as you heard from john kerry, not everyone was happy did he that. epa administrator scott pruitt with with the president on thursday when he made the announcement at the white house. he joins me now. welcome to "meet the press". >> good morning. >> why did 200 other countries sign this agreement and why do you think the united states should have gotten out of it? >> engagement internationally on these issues is very, very important. and the united states has shown a history of engagement. as you know in the late 1990s, the administration entered into the kyoto protocol and from 2000-2014 this country saw reduction in co-2 emissions, 18%, through leadership and technology. having that discussion internationally, we're partst u.n. that had a treaty ratified in 1992. this goes back almost two decades. >> we pulled in and out kyoto. >> we did in 2001.
but the framework is still something we're a part of. >> so are you advocating now that essentially even though we pulled out of the paris agreement, it's still going to govern some goals here? >> paris is a bad deal for this country. the president made clear on friday we're going to have a america first strategy with respect to the environment and international agreements. but he also said that engage ment, discussion, international discussion and dialogue around co-2 emissions is something we should continue. i think what is important here is that we're a pre1994 levels today with respect to our co-2 footprint. the sttime we exited kyoto, we reduced emissions about by 18%. >> so kyoto is a success? i'm confused because we pulled out. >> they didn't prompt the 18% reduction. it was american innovation and technology that prompted the reductions in co-2. >> there seem to be an implication during your back and
forth with the white house president corps that the rest of the world wanted the united states in it to slow down the united states. do you believe that? >> i think the paris agreement very much so put us in an economic disadvantage. >> i understand. that do you that i is the intention? >> i it this rest of the world applauded what we did in paris. we have to go back -- >> why would they applaud it? >> because they put us at economic disadvantage. >> you think the globe, these countries got together to slow down the united states economic sfli. >> why did china and india not have to take anyo steps until 2030? why did india condition the co-2 upon revving sad in the agreement. we were going to take steps front loading our cost when the rest of the world waited to reduce their co-2 footprint. that's the reason they put us at an economic disadvantage internationally. here's the deal. we have led, as i've indicated, this effort since 2000 reductions in our co-2 footprint
and pre-1994 levels today. not because of paris, not because of kyoto, but because of american ingenuity and innovation. >> i'm struck. you truly believe that many of these countries signed on to paris and were trying to get the united states to sign on it for economic reasons? >> if you look at the criticism that was led against paris when signed in 2015, the tl was as much criticism on the environmental left as there was on right. >> sure. some thought it should have gone further. >> i'll tell you y they were upset. in fact, james hanson, the former nasa scientists as you know called paris a fake and a fraud. the general counsel of the sierra club said critical things of the agreement. the reason they said those things is because the rest of the world, china and india in particular, largest polluters we have on the planet didn't have to take any steps until after 2030 and the united states front loaded the cost through things like the clean power plan, other
rules here domestically that contracted our economy. it's been estimated, as you know, it's been estimated by the ha heritage study that it would cause a contraction of $2.5 trillion of gross domestic product over ten years. >> that made up a lot of negative assumptions. you wanted to make assumption that's didn't anticipate job growth in other industries like solar, like the innovation would anticipate other job growth that would balance out. here's what al gore said to me earlier when i interviewed him about this issue. >> the loss of jobs in the coal industry started with the mechanicization of the coal industry. natural gas started displacing coal and the fossil fuel sector. and promising to re-create the 19th century is not a visionary strategy for a successful 21st century. >> he is right that you are making a false promise to some of the fossil fuel industries? >> dead wrong. the numbers show the exact
opposite. since the fourth quarter of last year to most recently added 50,000 jobs in the coal sector. in the month of may alone, 7,000 jobs. here's what's key about our power grid in this country. you have to have fuel diversity, chuck. because if we go to a all renewable, all natural gas type of an atroech if, there is an attack on the transportation network, there only so much natural gas that can go into that facility to generate electricity. we need solids stored on site to draw down upon for threats to our grid. fuel diversity, stability, consistency is key to the manufacturing base. it's also key to keeping costs low. our price per kilowat is far less in germany. we need to keep that approach. >> one other argument you made against this deal is that you thought that it should have been ratified. it should have been debated in the public. it should have been sent to the united states senate. you know who had the power to do
that? your administration had the power to do. that you could have changed the deal. you could have gone to the united states senate and done what you said should have been done. have a full throated debate with the american people. you chose not to do that, with why? >> the decision not to send it to the senate was made about it former administration. >> i know. but you could have changed thing things. you could have done it. >> it's clear that the demerits, the efficacy in environmental outcomes was a bad deal for this country. the president said he's going to put america first in trade, national security and border security and in contracting the reach of washington, d.c. he's going to put america first with respect to the environment and international agreements. i think what is being missed in all this the president said on friday paris we're getting out of because it represents a bad deal. the targets said about it previous administration, 26% to 28% reductions -- >> not in the agreement.
>> but that 26% to 28% reduction, you're wrong. the 26% to 28% reduction in the agreement, the former administration all the rules that they enacted, every rule as part of the climate action aagenda gentleman still fell 40% short of targets. in the agreement there are provision that's say they have to be revisited every five years. you know what it also said? they can only be ratcheted up y did russia set the targets in a baseline of 1990? so they could keep admitting. why did india condition their targets on trillions of costs? >> this is a political decision in this respect. >> not a political decision. it was a right for this country, chuck. this was -- this is a decision right for this country from a jobs perspective and economy perspective and environmental perspective. >> this is not wanting to be involved in a multilateral agreement. >> that is not accurate. >> would there have been more open no, sir this deal? >> the president said very clearly on friday that he is open and actually wants to engage in discussion with respect to international
agreeme agreements on co-2 reduction. >> do you believe that co-2 is the primary cause? >> co-2 contributes to climate change. meth aid methan sech methane is more potent. it's a cause of many. it's a cause like methane and water vapor and the rest. >> scott pruitt, i appreciate you coming on. >> thank you. >> back in a moment with much more on the three big stories we're following this morning, the terror attack in london, climate grem and james comey's tempt that comes up on week on the russia investigation. hillary clinton provided a lot of reasons why she lost the 2016 election. but there is one reason that people were waiting for but never heard. >> i take responsibility for every decision i made. every decision i made. but that's say carl, we have a question about your brokerage fees. fees? what did you have in mind? i don't know. $4.95 per trade? uhhh.
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uk, we'll there be. we're with you, god bless. some critical tweets as well. seven dead and 48 wounded. and mayor of london says there is no reason to be alarmed. he did say that but not in that context. he talked about increased police protection for what that's worth. and finally, we need to be smart, vigilant and tough. fwhe we need the courts to give back our rights. we need the travel ban for safety. hugh hewitt, you are a -- somebody that worked at the justice department. you know about legal arguments. this is in front of the supreme court. should he have tweeted the phrase travel ban? >> yes. i think he is raiding the ante in getting the court to more more quickly on the disposition. he is fairly confident that the fourth circuit decision is wrong. the first tweet is the tweet i like. there is an alliance within the alliance and attack on one of those five, we always bemom and rightly so any attack anywhere in the world. but new zealand, australia, canada, uk and u.s. are the five
alliances. he should stick to the high road on this. nothing else. >> he already tacked the mayor of london. >> he has. i mean never before in our history have we seen a president of the united states confirming something ahead of his own national security council forwarding things that are printed on drudge about a terror attack and one of our dearest alliances in london. so number one. number two, he's politicizing it by attacking mayor of london, mayor of london saying no reason for alarm. he's trying to calm his citizens. and the president is making -- essentially making fun of. that then politicizing it by bringing up the travel ban. forget the legal argue bment what does it in the supreme court by saying the ban is a ban even though they're arguing that it's not a ban. politicizing a moment of a terror attack has never been done by a president of the united states. >> michael, i want to get to the second part of this and it's what teresa may said and something that we touched on. there is too much tolerance of
the extreme nix tism in the uk n she put it on silicon valy. th valley. that's going to create tricky conversations. >> i completely agree with that. this is a case where -- i'm sorry. i'm sorry. >> that's all right. >> heather. jump in here. we're going to have the civil liberties conversation. we have a first amendment dhoernlgt. they don't. they can do things we can't do. >> that's right. i think this is a question of context, balance and approach. we have been so fortunate. i mean i live in new york city. i would never have believed about how safe that i feel even today after september 11th. this is a moment for the people of the uk where they're experiencing heightened sense of fragility walking into bars and
concerts and crossing the street on the bridge. and yet at the same time i know that people in the communities of color in this country are also seeing that president and the right-wing are ignoring domestic extremism here in the united states whether or not it's the young man who was a person who is in the military, who was killed by a white supremacist or the veteran who stepped in obviously in portland, oregon. so i think that there is a broad conversation to have about administration that is tolerating right-wing extremism and hate as well as obviously the continued threat of a war that we're continuing to not prosecute well overseas. >> michael. >> i think being tough on terrorism means very different thins. it means going after sources of intelligence. but it means engaging the muslim community in a way that actually encourages their cooperation in this. there is no way to do the war on terror while you're alienating that community.
i think that that's what donald trump has risked in america. >> all right. i want to shift to the paris agreement here. i know there is a partisan divide. why is there a partisan -- why are we the only western country, hugh, where the conservative movement in this country is more skeptical of climate change than the conservative movements in the uchlk, france, germany. >> i think secretary kerry was right on. you nailed him on it. this did not go to the senate. the montreal protocol and secretary shultz likes to point out was a key and effective anticipation of the necessary global movement. i was submitted to the senate. it was ratified 83-0 in 1988. when president obama chose not to go to the senate, it was an emission against congress and the dismissivenessst science. >> you're dismissing actually the majority of republican voters. >> i agree. that. >> they do want to see action on
climate change. the real partisan divide is the republican politician who's have been paid by fossil fuel industry to absolutely deny what for this country is the single biggest opportunity to generate we willth in the 21st century. we invented solar in this country. now we're at risk of seeing china be the one to give its people tens of millions of green jobs. >> both sides have some problems here. there are some who claim that this voluntary modest treat ji going to destroy the economy like donald trump and some that will say will save the world. neither of those is true. we have a reality where we have a certain amount of coal and natural gas in the ground we can't take out 80% of it or 50% of natural gas and the only way that that works is when you have a cost effective alternative. the only way that happens is when you have technological innovation. and that's write think peophere agree. >> i think in solar will soon be the cheapest source of electricity on the planet.
we are hampering ourselves from what could be the biggest opportunity to address inequality, create millions of jobs for the next generation that is looking out at this job climate and not seeing any other opportunity of green jobs. >> i talked to al gore and john kerry. you heard john kerry. i talked to al gore. al gore, while upset about the decision to get out of paris is optimistic that the coalition of democratic governors and mayors and ceos of america are essentially going to do paris without the federal government. john kerry is much more pessimistic. who is right? >> that's what i was going to address to hugh's comment that you mentioned that kerry was dismissive to rule of law conservatives. well there are a lot of rule of law conservatives who didn't want to get out of the paris agreement. you're making a process argument. you don't like the way we got into it. so you're taking us out of it. that argument doesn't hold up. so why penalize the country -- >> the constitution has a process argument. the constitution is a funnel
fundamental deal. >> but you're penalizing the country because of that argument. i'm not done. as a result, there are mayors and governors and heads of major manufacturers and oil companies, many of whom are republicans who want to stay in the agreement because they see what it means for our economy and our competitiveness. >> i get that. >> and that is what -- >> it has to be a -- >> that's what al gore is getting at. this is going to happen anyway. we're going to make the country is going to continue to move forward and developing the technologies and meeting targets regardless of what donald trump does and says. he's advocated his leadership. we have not advocated america's leadership. >> can you never get to consensus via contempt. 75 years ago this week was the battle of midway. it's a turning point. i want to connect the two stories. this country are not effectively prosecute the war on terror if half the discussions begin with contempt of conservatives and people that have a different point of view.
at the end of the second battle, churchill said this is not the beginning of the end this is the end of the beginning. we have to get to the beginning. >> we're talking about the planet right now and the future. >> but could be nservatives dis with what donald trump did. >> i promise you, we'll pick it up. i have bills to pay. i promise you. back in a moment. i also have the newest member of the nbc family megyn kelly who then there are moments it becomes clear,
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time that he's flirting on and off about whether russians were involved or not. it was sort of a fascinating 48 hours that you spent with him. >> absolutely right. an in our time together, he changed his position yet again, chuck, on who was responsible for the hacking of our election. all along it had been it's not us or i don't know what you're talking about. i haven't heard anything about this. then it changed to maybe it was patriotic russian hackers who might have had nothing to do with and then in our sit down it went into it was the americans and a new conspiracy theory was floated which you'll hear tonight on the show. but hit chance to ask limb abhi a range of subjects. then we got into the specifics about this interfeerns wirence our election. i asked him about jared kushner and i asked him specifically about somebody else very much in the news and that is president trump's now fired national security adviser general michael flynn. listen.
>> he came over here for a dinner, a photo chf is widely circulated in the american media. what was the nature of your relationship with him? >> translator: you and i, you and i personally have a much closer relationship than i had with mr. flynn. you and i met yesterday evening. you and i have been working together all day to day and now we're meeting again. when i came to the event for our company and sat down at the table, next to me there was a gentleman sitting on one side. i made my speech. then we talked about some other stuff and i got up and left. and then afterwards i was told you know that was an american gentleman he was involved in some things. he used to be in the security services. that's it. i didn't even really talk to him. that's the extent of my acquaintance with mr. flynn. >> the laugh there, that is something else. but he also kept referencing your family on and off and some
people interpreted that in different ways. how did you interpret ayeah? >> some people thought he was making a threat because mentioned my daughter yardly and mentioned i had three kids. i do not take it that way as all because what the viewers didn't know is that the day before we sat down both at his economic forum and for our one-on-one interview, he and i had spent a good hour together along with prime minister of india and exchanged all sorts of information about ourselves and families. he talked openly about his family and it was off the record. i won't get night. but he talked lovingly about his family. i talked lovingly about mine. i took that has a reference to a shared experience the two of us had the day before. and off camera he had been very gracious. so i took it in spirit and i assumed it was offered, chuck. >> good to hear. all right. welcome. congratulations. >> thank you. >> looking forward to tonight. >> good to be here. >> in case you missed the point, megyn kelly's show does air tonight. so if it is sunday night, it's megyn kelly at 7:00/6:00
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this week on the russia investigation. his testimony may well join those rare historic moments when frank lit whole country stops to watch. think army mccarthy hearing, watergate hearings in 1937, oliver north's hearings in 1987, of course, anita hill he had clarence thomas hearings in 1991. it feels like that big of a moment, michael. what do you expect to hear from james comey? >> well, if people talk about what the president's manner and impression he leaves, this is a case where the president's manner and approach has alienated someone very powerful. you can't, you know, little marco is different from the secretary -- the director of the fbi. and we have a situation where he has -- had ann on going crimina investigation and has offended a sense of dignity in this manner
that is going to come back to haunt the president. >> this is a self inflicted wound. take him at his word. he seems offended that this takes away from his victory and motivates him? >> yeah. and managed to threaten comey along the way saying i hope there are no audiotapes of our conversations. so i think that this testimony will be the most watched testimony at least in my lifetime. and i think comey does have the credibility to lay out his case. we'll hear it for the first time coming out of his mouth what he potentially wrote in the memos. it has potential to change this country. >> saturday, there was a march for truth that was really about a fundamental question about democracy. can you get so lost in the weeds of the map of connection twenz russia and the trump administration. but stepping back, what is the right-wing's approach to democracy? the same people who can be okay
with election interfeerrence or say that didn't happen and also with voter suppression? are we a country of we the people where the vote matters or are we a country where it's okay to wink and nod and to do whatever can you to grab power? and that's what i think a lot of people, frankly, manufactuy of hundred million people that didn't vote are feeling about the way that powerful people see democracy right now. >> hugh? will president trump one day realize the biggest mistake he made was firing james comey? >> no. it may than he didn't fire him on the first day. director comey testified ten days before his firing. i'm going to watch thursday for the consistency with that declaration that there was no interference with his investigation. there has to be consistency. >> that question was, by the way, i heard a lot of people misinterpret that answer. he was asking a answer specifically about the justice department. he was not -- no, it's about the justice department. that was about the justice department.
>> he'll distinguish his conversation as note taking. that very tricky waters for him. i'll also look to see, tonight with megyn kelly, putin goes after the 2% rise that donald trump denied nato. that does not consistent with a russia interfeerns. interference. that's what drives him crazy, donald trump is denying 2% to nato. that is counterintuitive. >> i've been teasing this hillary clinton thing. stephanie cutter, you worked a lot with the clintons on and off. it seems as if she gets criticized when she doesn't come on. she spoke her mine. a lot of people are upset that she's in the weed too much on a lot of factors and not enough self-reflection. where is she? where is her head? >> i think there is a lot of reflection and some self reflection. what i find eye ron bironic abo
there is she's being asked about the election, what do you it this reasons were and she's answering them. nothing that she's saying is being disagreed with. she is actually right. the press did treat her e-mails like a national emergency. the press did treat her differently than donald trump. she admits there was some mistakes made. but one of the biggest contributing factors to her loss was why comey did with those memos. none of that is disputed. >> we're going to hear a lot about that as another angle of thursday's temperature. that will be fascinating. i'm out of time. that's all we have for today. we appreciate you. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." ayk: "pot plans," we'll soon know who will get
the okay to open medical marijuana grow facilities and dispensaries in pennsylvania. they could pop up in your community. today, we'll discuss what that could mean. and "not holding back," a local professor calls alleged backchannel communications attempts between jared kushner and russia either treason or corruption. and a "growing danger," lurking behind the wheel, we'll discuss an nbc 10 investigation that finds more drugged drivers than local police believe they can catch. male announcer: nbc 10 "@issue" starts now. lauren: good morning, i'm lauren mayk for nbc 10 "@issue." the pennsylvania department of health says it will happen by the end of the month, permits for 12 medical marijuana grow facilities and 27 dispensaries. two grower licenses have been allocated for the part of the state that includes philadelphia and the surrounding counties.