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>> welcome to sunday night, i'm megyn kelly. cynthia mcfadden has a powerful investigation for everyone with kids. >> what kinda people run a facility where a young woman dies and they never call her parents? >> young people are supposed to be getting help here a new type of rehab. but some are paying with the lives. >> people are dying unnecessarily >> everyone is making money off this! >> she was a goldmine for them! >> oh yeah, yeah. and it led to her death >> wow, look at where harry smith is taking us! >> the landscape is just so massive antarctica -- it's a spectacular part of the planet. but the penguins here, are in danger: their home's gone from this -- to -- >> this is crazy!
this is usually covered in snow >> what happens now is what's going to happen around the globe. >> are we listening? also -- >> i just broke down. sorry. >> why does that particular moment bring tears? his deeply personal story has struck a chord across the country -- jd vance and his best-seller "hillbilly elegy." >> when i finished the book, i felt a little worried about you. >> why? i wondered if you had really dealt with everything. tonight, he opens up like never before -- from troubled childhood -- to extraordinary success. >> have you been surprised by how successful it's been? >> yes, laughs how could i not be? i'm sitting here talking with megyn kelly. this is great. all that and more coming up -- on "sunday night." what is going on guys? this is the brand new samsung galaxy s8. first thing we need to discuss is that display. the s8 plus has a higher resolution. the s8 was much better in low light situations.
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it's always bad, but it's especially painful when it's every year thousands of them go to florida. not for the sun, but for help in a new kind of rehab program. many are getting ripped off instead, in a scam that can cost them their lives. cynthia mcfadden investigates this public health emergency. >> this is not a case where a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch. this is a case where most of the apples are spoiled. >> palm beach county state attorney dave aronberg is talking about the drug rehab industry in south florida, where some 400 addiction treatment centers are luring thousands of young people. >> parents send their kids down here to south florida to get well, not to die. >> with more rehabs here per capita than just about anyplace else in the country, palm beach county might well be considered the "recovery capitol of
america." and while there are some good facilities, sadly scenes like this are playing out every day here. >> i don't feel no pulse. >> this is body-cam video of police responding to a drug-overdose. 24-year-old alison flory died in the very place she was supposed to be getting help for her addiction. she'd come here for drug treatment at a facility called reflections. >> did you get a phone call from the people at reflections? >> no. >> no one called you? >> no, no one ever called me to let me know. >> to this day? >> no. >> i mean, what kind of people run a facility where a young woman dies and they never call her parents? >> no, there's no condolences, there was nothing. >> alison had gotten caught up the "florida shuffle" -- a criminal scheme, born of the opioid crisis. it's making some people very
rich and putting others at risk. >> like millions of young people in america, alison became addicted to opioids. her parents say it started with pain pills in high school, and by her early 20's, she was in serious trouble. she tried rehab near her hometown outside chicago but relapsed. her parents were desperate. >> so florida, why florida? >> well, the facilities down there that we heard about were very good. >> it was beautiful. >> it is beautiful. and it and it seemed like a good fit for her. >> and you felt at this time hopeful? >> i felt hopeful more than i had ever felt ever. >> the rehab center provided a free plane ticket. and alison was off to south florida, where a new model for rehab is creating a crisis. >> that's an overdose. >> it's an overdose? >> yeah. it's delray pd, male overdosing, administering narcan. >> in the last four years the number of overdoses here has quadrupled as the treatment industry has exploded.
more than 4,600 overdoses in palm beach county alone last year. we rode along with delray beach fire and rescue, and in just 90 minutes we witnessed two more. >> we can run 12 -- upwards of 12 in a day. >> twelve in a day? >> not a great record for the "recovery capital of america." >> it's the wild west. >> cary glickstein is the mayor of delray beach. >> the most vexing problem that our entire community is dealing with is a broken recovery industry and the collateral damage. >> so what's different down here? instead of checking into a rehab, down here most addicts here live with each other in residential neighborhoods in houses like this one, called "sober homes." there are four just on this block and thousands in south florida. treatment happens at outpatient treatment center. it was supposed to make recovery
cheaper and better but the system has been corrupted. >> jennifer says alison tried to tell her as much before she died. >> she would call and say, they don't care about us. all they care about is money." i'm like, "that is ridiculous." i told her, "that's not -- that's --" >> of course not, i mean you believed that people who were running rehab facilities, sober homes, are gonna help get her sober. >> right. she didn't even know the half of it. >> but she was right. >> but she was right. >> after alison died, jennifer traveled to florida to try to find out what happened to her daughter, armed with reams of bills to her insurance company from multiple treatment centers, doctors, and laboratories. jennifer going through bills in the car $3,400, $100, $4,100, $2,000. almost $10,000 in lab fees for one date of service. >> many of the charges are for care she doesn't think alison ever really got. the total for 15 months, over
one million dollars. >> there's two ways out, you either get out and recover or you die. >> michelle curran also sent her daughter mikaya to florida. despite more than $600,000 worth or bills to her insurance, she doesn't think mikaya got very much help. >> i'm like, "i didn't know you saw your therapist every single day." she goes, "i don't see my therapist every single day." >> but you're being billed for that. >> i said, "but we're being billed for it." i said, "and do you have something else going on? are you sick or something? they've done a ton of labs on you." i said, "i have a bill here for $10,600." >> for one lab? >> yeah. yes. one. and she goes, "mom, i've --" and this was her words. "i've peed in a cup twice this week." >> i want you to take me through bit by bit what looks from the outside like a scam. >> oh, it's -- it is a total scam.
>> state attorney aronberg says it's all part of a massive kick-back scheme and those outrageous lab bills are typical. >> there's gold in that urine. and so the labs will compete to get the urine sent to them. they make a lotta money billing insurance. and so they will kick back some of the money to the outpatient facility or the sober home, whoever gets them the patient referral. >> after seven months of treatment mikaya was worse than ever and died of an overdose of heroin mixed with carfentanyl. >> how much does it hurt? it still does. >> yeah, it's a lot. sorry. >> you know, if the lawmakers in washington, d.c. knew what was going on, they would hopefully enact changes to federal law to prevent the scam from continuing, because not only are taxpayers footing the bill but people are dying unnecessarily because of this. >> he points to the affordable care act which makes payment for addiction treatment virtually unlimited. it's supposed to improve recovery, but criminals here see
an unlimited pot of money to exploit. >> so the legislation that's designed to protect people who have addiction actually is exposing them to this horrific scam? >> this is a free for all created by well intended federal law. >> other well-intended federal laws designate sober homes as housing for the disabled and that prevents local officials from regulating them. >> there's no regulations, no certifications, no registration. >> no supervision. >> there's no requirement to have any supervision. you could open up a sober home today, today. you just turn your house into a sober home. you just rent it out. >> he says it's no way to get better, but it is another way everone makes money. >> anybody with an insurance policy down here is more valuable than anybody without one. >> mercedes smith, a recovering addict herself, told us sober home operators compete for addicts with good insurance -- enticing them with promises of
free rent, free food, free cigarettes. she says she was paid to go to 12 step meetings to recruit people to her sober home. >> we would have to drive around delray. and anybody with, like, suitcases we would have to ask them, "do you have insurance? we have a place you can go." >> a crooked sober home operator gets an illegal payment for each new patient brought to treatment. it's called patient brokering. we met colin and drew who have seen it first hand. they tell us it's the money that makes the "florida shuffle" go round. >> they'll pay you like $500 you know, like some people like $1000 to go to treatment. >> it's like hustling humans is what i feel it's like. >> pretty much. >> they'll take extra insurance money and pay you to live there and just let you get high because the owner's making bank. >> and that leads addicts to move from place to place to place. before alison died, she had cycled through nine different treatment centers in just 15 months.
>> i was just thankful that i had good insurance. and in this particular case i wish i had no insurance. >> she was a goldmine for them. >> oh yeah, oh yeah. and it led to her death. >> mikaya went to seven different treatment centers. one of them was reflections, that treatment center affiliated with the sober home where alison died. she told her mother that the man who ran it, kenny chatman, personally supplied her and other addicts with drugs. >> heroin? >> yes. so when they go test, they test what they call dirty. >> which means that they can get into recovery again. >> then they send 'em back to detox. and then kenny chatman gets a kickback on that. >> there's no incentive in sobriety. the money is in relapse. >> it haunts me. she trusted in people that she shouldn't have trusted in, and -- >> and we told her to trust those people. >> during the course of our investigation we looked into dozens of treatment centers and sober homes. we dug into police reports and
found drug use and patient brokering are rampant. >> we're in the parking lot of a location where alison received treatment. the place has changed its name three times since december. we have some questions to ask. >> furniture turned upside down. nobody's there. >> we tried to talk to another treatment center alison also attended, the london treatment center. it's linked to a sober home where there were six overdoses in just five months. >> hi i'm cynthia mcfadden, from nbc news. do you work for the london treatment center? >> i do but i'm not giving you permission to be on camera. >> we just have a couple of questions. >> that's fine, but i have no comment right now. i'm not giving you permission to be on camera. >> we asked if someone else would talk to us; no one would. but there is hope. florida has expanded the state attorney's power to crack down on those who prey on addicts. >> how many arrests have you made? >> we have made 29 arrests here in palm beach county.
that's since july of last year. >> they include the operators of treatment centers, and sober homes, the head of a lab, and numerous people accused of of patient brokering. >> more to come? >> more to come. and we believe we're closer to the beginning of this effort than the end. >> and as for the man who ran reflections and gave drugs to addicts? kenny chatman has been sent to federal prison for 27 years. for desperate families caught up in the sweep of the opioid epidemic, the mayor has some advice. >> to the parents who think that they're sending their kids down here because it's number one in rehab. >> that's a complete fallacy. keep them closer to home. they are not getting better in florida. >> this scheme has already moved into new york, california, texas and arizona. so watch out, because it could be coming to a spot near you. >> coming up -- penguins! >> now gentlemen just calm down. >> a trip to antarctica, teeming
with surprises. ice is melting here, but some of these little guys are thriving. what we can learn from them. >> they roll with the punches. in a way that these other species just can't. >> and later. hillbilly elegy. it's the best-seller that hit a nerve, and pierced hearts. >> i'm sitting in the back of this police cruiser, they've just arrested my mom. i was just really sad and felt very lonely. jd vance gets candid about his inspiring story, and shows us all you can go home again.
earth. climate change. you can argue about its causes all you want, but there are few places on the planet that have felt the effects of earth's warming more than here, the antarctic peninsula. where the average winter temperature has risen nine degrees. what does that mean? the penguins will tell us. >> the antarctic peninsula isn't the easiest place to get to. it requires a two day sea voyage from the bottom of argentina across the southern ocean. our destination, the 800 mile long leg of land that reaches northward from the continent. it is a place of jaw dropping grandeur, mountains, glaciers, and icebergs the size of city blocks. >> we came here to count penguins, for them climate change is already a critical probelem. and their problems may soon be
our problems. >> how to you count them? what are we going to do? >> it is super low tech. we've got these clickers. there you go. >> handheld clickers. we got one for you too harry. >> one click for nest and that's it. >> i might be able to handle that. >> all right >> it's harder than you might think they all look alike. but we'll give it a try. >> antarctica is home to millions of these dumbfoundingly charming and remarkably resilient animals. a flightless bird that has been cavorting around this part of the world for 60 million years or so. ron naveen is the "birdman of antarctica." a citizen scientist, he founded an organization called oceanites. it's sole purpose is keeping track of the penguin population. >> well, there's five here. >> dr. heather lynch, joined him about ten years ago. she's a harvard trained evolutionary biologist and teaches at stonybrook university.
>> would it be too much of a stretch to say these penguins are sort of the canary in the coal mine of climate change? >> oh we do think that. and in fact that's one of the reasons why we are so focused on them. because they are the thing that we can, we can study. and we hope that they -- they can tell us a little bit about of what we might expect elsewhere. you know all the species on the planet need to deal with climate change. it's not an antarctic issue. but these penguins are dealing with it now. >> specifically they are here to count three types of penguins. chinstraps, adelies, and gentoos -- easier to do now because it's december, summer in the southern hemisphere. in order to count penguins you must overcome an olfactory challenge. the ever constant aroma of penguin poop. >> there is an odor that accompanies our tasks here, today. >> it's the smell, it's the antarctic perfume you might say. it's the guano from the
penguins. >> ron can tell from smell and sight exactly what the birds are eating. >> so the penguin poop tells you a lot. >> oh my god, penguin poop tell-guano is everything. you know we got to count but i like to know what the hell they are eating in the ecosystem. and there is a lot of concern because with the warming down here. the food chain's been really disruptive. >> disrupted, he says, either by rising temperatures or over fishing, maybe both. the birds are eating tiny shrimp like creatures called krill instead of fish. and ron's not happy. >> you can yell at them eat more fish, eat more fish, you know and they just don't get it. >> and it's not just the food supply, warmer winters mean rain sometimes instead of snow. birds building nests in mud instead of ice. some though have moved to higher ground. >> look at this.
>> sometimes the antarctic acts like it wants to swallow you whole and then today it is nothing but gifts. >> i'm so surprised that these birds decide to nest a couple hundred yards off the water. they are way up here. >> they are but look at how dry these places are. i mean, if you are a penguin, this is awesome. this is the best zip code around. eggs are dry and these little boulders provide a little protection from the predators. >> for several days we sailed and counted, and sailed and counted. but about halfway through our 11 day journey we came upon a place called brown bluff. there we saw a penguin colony ron discovered. his connection here is visceral. because, it is almost unrecognizable from when he first set foot here. >> what's the biggest change you've seen here since you started coming here 30-some years ago?
>> there's no snow. and it's early december. this is crazy. this is usually covered in snow, snow that is making it difficult for me to count these guys. it's not here this year. the sea ice was low this year. in other locations in the antarctic peninsula, i can walk beaches that were covered by glaciers when i first came so many decades ago. this place is changing. >> and changing fast. this year antarctica had the lowest amount of sea ice since satellites began keeping track in 1979. and not by a little bit. sea ice was down some 66 thousand square miles from the previous record low. that's about the size of washington state. >> have there been moments of futility for you here, trying to say that these animals and this place are trying to send a message but no one's listening? >> i have that feeling all the time. you truly have to understand that there are a lot of people -- and i do understand this, who just don't have the
best of lives. they can't put food in their mouths. they don't have a job. i understand why they can't focus on climate change right now. but there's a heck of a lot of people out there that just haven't gotten the message yet because i don't think they've heard it necessarily the right way. >> now gentlemen just calm down. >> heather lynch says the adelie penguin population here has declined by seventy percent since the 1980s. and the chinstrap population is down fifty percent in some places. incredibly at the same time the gentoo penguin population is actually growing. >> some of these birds, some of these penguins have thrived the last couple of years. >> oh they have, these guys right behind us the gentoo penguin, their population grow three, four, five percent a year.
the secret, adaptability. the gentoos are adjusting their diets and moving their nests to more suitable places. >> they roll with the punches. in a way that these other species just can't. and in that there is a big lesson for us, you know, that we have to adapt or we're not going to make it. >> at stony brook dr. lynch analyzes drone footage and even satellite shots. >> so the technology that we're using now isn't just telling us how many penguins there are, it's telling us all sorts of things about penguin behavior. >> it's the way to get the big picture. >> so what are the penguins telling us? >> i think they're telling us that things are changing. and i can't say why. we have some -- we have some suspects here. you know, certainly climate change is one of our major suspects. fishing. we have a very active fishery in the antarctic. so something is going on now that hasn't been going on in the past. we know that. and that makes the work that we do not just important, but really urgent. >> and as for climate change doubters? remember the antarctic penninsula is the place where
the average winter temperature has gone up nine degrees. an unprecedented increase. here the earth is getting warmer faster than anywhere else, changing the environment and forcing the penguins to adapt to survive and the penguins are telling us sooner than we think we will have to adapt too. >> i think that people want to deny the reality of climate change, which is that, you know, if we just don't -- i just close our ears to it, if we just close our eyes, that somehow it's not gonna happen. and then before you know it, you're looking at a foot of water out your front door, and you're thinking, you know, we really should have invested in some real estate, you know, further uphill, and even the penguins are going to have to do that too. >> ron has been to antarctica so many times, in all he's spent eight years of his life here. his hope, his work will make a difference, but it pains him to see what's happening to the planet. >> when do you cry? >> i cry when i think about leaving the antarctic. i cry when i think about my grandkids, max and charlie.
and i think about what they're gonna be facing when they're 10 or 15 years older than they are right now. that really chokes me up a lot. they represent to me what this is all about. it's all of us on this planet working together, doing a better job. >> it's winter in antarctica right now, where the average low is minus 56 degrees. so ron and heather are stateside now, but they tell us they'll be back when it warms up. >> coming up. parents who were separated or divorced? >> check. >> living with an alcoholic or a drug user. >> check. >> watching a loved one be physically abused. >> check. >> you're batting 1,000? >> yeah. >> jd vance and his poignant best-seller "hillbilly elegy." so what did the "tiger mom" have to do with it? >> you would think there's nothing in common between chinese american immigrant and a guy from appalachia? i found myself chewing on ice and i just realized this doesn't hurt at all.
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♪ (música) ♪ in fact, jd vance overcame just about every challenge a kid could face. >> you write about adverse childhood consequences that some kids suffer in growing up, being sworn at, insulted, or humiliated by your parents. >> sure, check. >> being pushed, grabbed or having something thrown at you. >> check. >> having parents who were
separated or divorced. >> check. >> living with an alcoholic or a drug user. >> check. >> living with someone who is depressed or attempted suicide. >> check. >> watching a loved one be physically abused. >> check. >> you're battin' 1,000? >> yeah. >> given where he came from jd vance should have been a grim statistic. his parents grew up poor in rural kentucky, his own tough childhood was in the rust belt ruins of ohio. but vance escaped what he calls his cultural inheritance, wrote a memoir about it and landed on the best seller list. >> have you been surprised by how successful it's been? >> yes. how could i not be, right? >> why do you think? >> i'm sitting here talking to megyn kelly, this is cr -- i mean book cover, best-seller lists, flurry of media appearance. >> "hillbilly elegy" hit a nerve in the presidential election cycle. vance became a go to guy on cable and in print, a cnn commentator, a contributor to the new york times. he became a guide to the anger,
rebellion and pessimism in the communities that carried donald trump. he understood what they cared about and didn't. >> do you think that it also explains why when the so-called coastal elites, were getting very upset over the many offenses that trump caused. some of the sexism, some of the foul-mouthed language -- that this was not particularly shocking because a lotta these folks had grown up around that? >> absolutely. i've criticized a lotta trump's rhetoric and i'm not a big fan of some of the things that he's said, but there was almost a sense where people were offended by trump, not because of the substance of what he said, but because of how he said it. "good society people should not talk in this way." and i just never quite understood that -- that criticism. >> vance is in a unique position, a colossal success by any measure, a marine, a graduate of ohio state and yale
law school, a silicon valley venture capitalist. and now an unusual move, back home again to ohio. he returns determined to work on the very problems that made his childhood there so turbulent. for all its power as a window on the white working class, "hillbilly elegy" is a painful story about a childhood most people would not want to risk revisiting. vance's father abandoned him. his mother was locked in an endless cycle of drug abuse that escalated to heroin. the toll it took on her young son is seared into memory -- like a simple car ride gone wrong. >> i said something, or some conversation topic really ignited her temper. and then she just sped up and she just kept on saying, "i'm just gonna crash this car and kill us both. i'm gonna crash this car and kill us both." >> jd jumped out of the car and ran for help. someone called the police and his mother was arrested. >> and when you watched them take her, do you remember how
that felt? >> honestly, i just felt relieved. in that moment i just felt relieved. and i thought to myself, "all right, i'm gonna live another day." that's -- that's how terrified i was. i mean, i -- i just wanted that situation to end and then i just broke down, right? i was just -- remember i was, i was just really sad and felt very lonely. because i'm sitting in the back of this police cruiser, they've just arrested my mom, the relief of having survived another day was gone. and then i just wanted --then i just wanted somebody to come and take me away, and that was actually lindsay. that -- you know, that was who -- sorry. >> why -- why does that particular moment bring tears? >> it's -- it's just such a crystal clear memory. and so it's hard almost not to feel the same way that i felt as a 12-year-old kid sitting in the
back of that police cruiser. but i also think that, that moment is kind of a microcosm of my entire life, is that there was this brief moment of terror and of feeling really lonely, and then there was lindsay. >> i would die for that kid. and i know he would, too. >> his sister lindsay, five years older, was always a source of comfort and protection from their mother's abuse. >> did you ever think about calling 911? >> it's -- no, i only thought about calling mamaw. >> mamaw, vance's grandmother, bonnie blanton, took jd to live with her after that harrowing car ride. >> was there a greater influence on your life? >> no, no, i mean, she really just got me, she understood when i needed somebody to ride me. >> she knew when i needed love and comfort, she knew when she needed to just be sympathetic. she was really smart. >> mamaw preached personal
responsibility and insisted on three gets, good grades, a good job, and get up and help me, and she came with some serious firepower. >> she was pretty good with a gun? >> she was very good with a gun. you know, mamaw when -- when she died, i think the number is 19 handguns, loaded that we found in her house at various places. >> she also wasn't afraid to threaten using it. >> yeah, she said, "look, you're gonna come and stay with me and if anybody has a problem with it they can talk -- they can talk to my gun." >> jd continued to live with mamaw while lindsay found her own escape. she got married and had three children of her own, and her focus turned to them. for lindsay, reading her brother's memoir brought back a life she had tried to forget. >> i just laid in bed and i -- you know, pulling it apart and reading it and then -- and i would just cry. i just felt so sorry for those kids, and why i didn't see more of him, i don't know. i should've been able to do
more. >> can you see that now, that you were not given the skills? >> how do you mean? >> you were young, too. you had been subjected to unthinkable things, too. >> i -- i guess i realize that -- i don't think that i'll ever be able to say that there was -- a good reason to not have stepped up. >> she has a lot of guilt over that. >> she shouldn't. >> yeah, we -- we've talked a lot about that. i just don't think that lindsay should feel guilty at all about it. she had found her way out, and i was looking for my way out. >> when did it -- it even occur to you that you could get into a place like yale law? >> i read this study about people who come from disadvantaged backgrounds, that they internalize a certain, inferiority. that they assume that, because no one around them has done much, that they are just genetically incapable of doing it. and it completely changed the way that i thought about my own
possibilities, right? i thought to myself, "you know, i've been sellin' myself maybe a little short." >> when j.d. was here, he's pretty open about the fact that he stuck out a little bit. >> he really did -- actually. >> amy chua, author of the best-selling book "battle hymn of the tiger mother," was one of his professors, and became an important mentor. >> you would think there's nothing in common between chinese american immigrant child, and a guy from appalachia, but i saw a lot of myself in him. you know, he was a little bit of an underdog, didn't quite fit in. >> and there was something about her story that resonated with him. >> he said, it's gotten me thinking, you know, about my own life. i have a lot of thoughts i've never shared with anybody. i still have this email. it says, "i don't even know what i'm thinking that i can write this down, but, you know, here's a little bit about my own background." >> the email was the beginning of the book idea? i mean, was -- was it that that made you turn around and say, "j.d., you've gotta write this down. you have to tell this story."
>> it was. >> and that wasn't the only advice chua gave. >> is it true that you of all people actually told him, "focus on your love life." >> i did. >> that's because she could see that vance was deeply in love with a classmate, usha chilukuri. >> he just had a really great attitude to everything. he was clearly so excited to be there in a way that, you know, a lot of people just -- you get accustomed to places like yale law school, when you've been to other universities like that before. and he -- i don't know. he just -- he felt very different. >> but what usha didn't know was just how different, as far as jd had come, his past was always looming. >> i was as close to a nervous breakdown as i've ever had, just the stress of law school, mom had just had a heroin overdose, i was in love with this girl, usha, but i didn't quite know how to be in love with her in the way that i wanted to be. >> and i just thought to myself "you finally got to this place that's going to guarantee that your life is gonna go well, and you're struggling with all of
the things that you thought you got away from." >> with usha's love and support jd graduated and they got married, now they're expecting a baby boy. family is close by, including his mother beverly. she is clean now, but jd keeps his distance. after a brief maternity leave, usha will be commuting to washington for a supreme court clerkship with chief justice john roberts, but for now they're settling into a new house. >> so, back to columbus. >> yeah. >> why? >> well, it's -- about to have a baby. it's good to be close to family, but, you know, the things that i care most about are not in san francisco. they're not in silicon valley. the things that i care most about are the opioid crisis, about solving some of the issues that i write about in the book. and you can only do that i think when you're actually close to the problems, and when you're actually on the ground tryin' to help. the ohio life he leads today is very different from the one he left behind and with all the attention and recognition, comes criticism. >> so one of your critics
dismisses the tone of the book, quote, "all hillbillies need to do is work hard, maybe do a stint in the military, and they can end up at yale law like he did." >> i just don't think that's the thesis of the book at all. the takeaway of the book is not just work hard, the takeaway of the book is that community and family really matter. and i think anybody who ignores that is fundamentally not appreciating the actual reality that exists on the ground, and the complexity of the problems these kids face. >> two months ago, he started working for an investment firm dedicated to ohio opportunities and he's formed his own nonprofit -- our ohio renewal. >> his return has started speculation that he's planning something political. >> everyone wants to know whether jd's gonna run for office. >> who's everyone? >> everyone, it's everyone. trust me, i speak to them. what do you think? should he run for office? >> i don't believe it's everyone. >> i think someday, if the time is right and if -- if he really
feels that that's the best way that he can contribute to his home, then, i think that would be a great idea. >> why do you get uncomfortable when that idea comes up? >> well i think that, you know, when people ask me if i wanna run for office, part of me wonders, like, do they think i just give off a used car salesman vibe. >> don't you think it's more borne of hope that you could be -- you could be a real change agent. >> well, sure. yeah, no. i -- i think that's the optimistic take on it. i'm very flattered when people ask me. and you never say never, but it's just not something that i think about doing right now. so we left j.d. vance, 32, home again on the cusp of fatherhood, whether his past will interfere with his present, well, that could be another book. >> do you think he's dealt with this stuff? >> i think that he thinks that he has. i think that -- i think that this book, writing it, was a very good step >> when i finished the book i felt a little worried about you. i -- >> why? >> i wondered if you had really
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