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sa and helpi in that regard. chi th has kindree ss. it has power but it's not beg asked to exeise rnsib andhat's anotherstration cane rose: eleth?nded. ththeresidenthouldical have met with the dalai lama. t i t speecinh his town hall to the chinese udents and assoedothe tually made several very t the need to prote ethnic oupsndeligious fre a e vantages of a transparent and open society.and there' no d thawaesge tha direcy tranditte to e ches and prob a of t peoehatthe chise adship allow actuallyo ..>>ose:nd it s only an? ther in shanghai. >> it's a terrible shame. but i inkha ataksto the wesof t cnese leadership andheir fulness that theulnot the presideneech t broadcutast througcoy
live.>> and do you think the chinese lookt this president? what a theyexg fr hi what's t mind-set about this? >> was livg ichinaurg e 2008ctnycle. it's intti that the romancbarackma was, ourse, wes in europend parts of the midd ted in cnaery partly it was a long standing prefence foreplican politicianby the cnese adip tra back to aiou. ty fa with hilly n and not so much with barack am also the was ainial there cod be a blackerson running wh they viewed as the strongt untry inhe world. and i think there is on theop level somehuasm about barack obama. i arrom my friends in and i ink leadership is mainly woing w kind o busine they'll be ae to do with the nministration. thin administration and the president has done a good job of sding the signalsoth of the imrtance of relation, the buness the is de thcial envirment fr,a also would a w
izh ecy that i think his shaipeech did ma the a dom ofessi ex, is is not some americ cceut universal concept. so i think he's don about as much ae can on chine seriously,lo f lationship in thon but we have difftsalue we' coue represent. >>ut do think, crlie, in this relationship, which is going to be a very cex one for us totte also impnt andymlsre important. and withat respect, bause m ry pptiveof president suced, i thinkth decisio not to see lama was mistaken because, you know, this street.nship has to be a t-way china does not awrom prenting itself differences wi i can tell youas a former diplomat in many meets wit the chine, they wouldegin every meeting wi a litan of position in taiwan.e u and, you know, i think it's... i admire the president for his... he's respectfu he listens,is engagement strategy i think around the world has brought
great credit to our country. but sometis you need t be ugh-mindedn whou do as well as inhat you say. and i think that symbol of meeting the dalai lama would have struck th right balance. >>ose: sf >>, can i mention mething on this point? i would aee president obam does not the dai lama men nexo or e mont that will be a siifican signal. but when this meeting was canceled in advance ofhe prs esidenip to china,he dalai lamaimself said whether itas for sw or foreal that it was just as well with himo postpos until after presidt obama d en to cha. so if he doesn't meet with him pretty s that will be a os wha tt'si expect will. administration gettingm that? ut amonth ago thk the admistration began t drum beat to sort o lower expectations. soheereow expectatns foreal delivables ing into this summit and i think those expectations were largely realized. t i dohink this id
reengageith asia tose thece, i stage r the lationship with china. thjoint comniqu tha was... joint declaration that wasutout, ything b the kitchen sink inerms o the issues that we wanto discuss and negotiate with them. i will say tt there i some interestlanguage in the climate change section that hasn smed to be pickedp on very muc by journalts or in washingtteet. y and is tt thresident ems to have said that we shouo topenh wh a target for climate change reduction, emissions reduction. at t develing coshould be gog wi set of nationalgation strategies. and these ha sign on and what that's code for is, in theese sense, i probably carbon intensi reduction. so the question is, are we going to actually see some movemen o cle change >> rose: so thateans he'll come out ofomet inf change
lauage? >> ectly t hae legly binng. alred goingo haha wh outen we of copenhage but it looks as though we're trying, th cntri, the table nr caasant bualumrs so thacoulde soingut >> r?. >> yes. awiat asct that elizabeth economy was mentioning. i k in the b pie ie fr now,rs from now, i thihessenal elenllwhether or not fiomyo togetinan on clite and envienta issues. cause if they can' do that, the prospects are really grim fothe rest ofhe world. if they can, ere's a much er phtspect. therwas on otr it of the prident's presentations icdn't etuch tentn ich i think very interesting. heaid? shanghai he was gointo encourag additional hundred thousand u.s. student perear to go study in china. now, exactly how that's going to happen or throh what institutions, i don't ow but at wlde aery gnifict read.
>> rose: howuch ofn exchange program arthere now? ilas prram in which the haveomhise students ce ov and then idome students. >> sure. i don't know the numbers. it's clear to the human exchange an academic levas much more importance than many americs may realize. so mh the cne officialdom has degrees from berkel or m.i.t.rhatever. this a very important connector and i was glad to hear that sign of it being increased. >> rose: nick, what's alws intrigd me is on th one hand is great sense that we are a civili with a long histy. we proud negotiation. yet the same time a kind of paranoia and fear of how stable they and a worry about how e slightesbit of opening the wiow in terms of free expression could do damage to the socialc. >> well, i think that dichotomy does exist. on the one hand wn you engage with these a chinemany of us
have, t's self-cfidence because ofir hiory. but there alsos this security produced by the ravageof the0th centurynd all that went wrong for china in the 20t century until deng xioping's reforms of 1978nd the nfod confidence that they have. and if you look at their position on taiwan and inth dalai lama, on tibet, i think you find some he chine neuralgia there. but, charlie, i wanted to go back to aoi you were making and that jmade as wl. i came or he the stio today reading t ess on how oba did and wasittle bit dismayed ba lot of the instant critism from some repubcans in the united stas and from some press. "here's what obama didn't get." you can't just tak a sh of o shortisit a say success orailure. very intellint andnt a soticay ted wa to do is bu a relationshi tha can used for a lo te. as jim and elizabeth bothseed, let's see where we are on climate ange itenrs. if we can find a way work
with china and india we may fit least soitigatn measures that mesee i policy s w shouldook usthere chin i the perm countris agait e passed tee securit uncil resolutis since 2006 and yet china is fundamentally undercutting those sctions. 's become largest tre we are in ira so ihi it' insrea of hochin operates as a we ofresponsibilities it now shoulderinas one oth great global pows. probab rht now in terms of sheer economic, political, and litary power,n the world. china has not reall metthat allenge and peapthe presidencan be helpl to tm on north korea,rannd burma, nuing them ie rightn rectn. >> rose: w are you smiling >> no, i think that nick is extlright. me the sense which c wants toe alol leader instead of simply a respoible
player isan ise of great deteithin the cotr d theyeally do not want to step up to the plate t try manage all of the gbal issues in which are tryin to enge them. i me,yee the iran ise, r examplas anissue of not xing buswith politics. in fact, i just read an interview with the brother of the foreign minister which he saidthat you kw, anhing the iran front, the nuclear is peace andby t way we can wait three four years for transition i the irani ership. dihink there's a very ent sense of urgency when it ces to manthese global issues and certaly preration the chinare bringing to the table. >> rose:d chinese official say to rently "if hadother soue. you give us another source f the amount of oil and energy revenues we getm in, 'll til you can do t you know our pitn is." at that of course, the united
sort of oil politics,distorted s r thlast centu d sameocess that you're hearing about, of china being nudged to this positionof ina. the ternuggle scinating it w be. younow,thei ntra thrgh the wholeast 30 years, la 5 years has been n-terference as edrock foreign policy, which is very convenient for them to have. they're simply getting t l too influtial econocall, diplomatically and techgically to gway from soat. hat's one of the lg-rm ocesses negotiations, of changi attitude insid cna, ar chi, the u.s. is >> ros okay.ke a le in. oplebout thi theers.rite 's enomy, b china ists bigst dhe chine economy usthe stas rresents ch a gearket amican teepnc wil affect an the longand certa for tearm elizh? >> absutely.
and i think we saw in the discussion betweenu jintao and presidentba. you know, esident obama tried nudge them along on the issue of crency and revaluing their currency aou saw hu jino tort with "better wat your trade protectionism." so i think both sides are coming out of the global financi crisis, china inlaar a little more rapidlythan we ar nonetheless, china believes that fiscs stimulus package is basically going to run its course by next mch and they are going to be turning gone the glal market looking for exports. and they're going to need it. >> rose: the export market is down 25% becausef the global economic crisis. >> a they nt it to recover d cover very quickly. so theres this kind of mutua dendence. for some reason it seemso be esreen t as a weakening of the.s, perhaps because they're holding all our treasuries. but io t is a depennc and gives us ler as well. >>ose: but a ges us some vulnerabilitoo.y as wl, >> right. no dou.
buit p both ways. ey're vulrable and we're vulnerable. >> rosm, in the time that you lived there, how did you see oluta change in terms of a n to a differentlace? beyond thet ofhe vious, the economic muscle. >> well,u know, itasore than about 25 yes ago, i was firsthere, and the change f then to now was very from a very totalirian ctrolled state to whatouee now where ere's rtain areas of controlnd the rest is this kind wide ope baar andost eday... my wifeseto joke that if you tookomething to the y cleaners in the mornihe wanted to gehit in the afternoon because the place might be gone the next day. every single day. this churning and i thin the collae ea is year of thexport market had a big effect on china. they feel some confidence in having revved up the economy since en. probably the most dramatic thing in the lastee thr years i saw was the sichuan earthquake about a year and a half ago and the sense of national unity. a kind of katrina nse unification cna at th
time. >> rose: when you look at their al ambitions, nick, is it primarily only to fu the growth that will enable them to deal withhatever social tensns there i think that wre evol ovetime, maybe in a going see chimbitions staged way. right now i think that china's primarily concernedh internal stability, with economic gwth, with search think that isgovernin its foreign cy. but inetably a chins re continues, i think 're going to see china will act perhaps more lika classic supeower. it will begin to thi about perhs want domint role in ea asia, cenl the south china sea area. and that's gto bring it intot least pentionflict i mean war but i mean in terms of strategic conflict with e united states which is right now th primy power i asia. d getso veryarge queson, charlie you asd before.
how do we deal with this kind of china? 're gointo have a big deba in this country. it already under way. it will get more intense. do we try to contain china? e see i as we sawstal's viet u or mao's china? do we eko engage it? >> we do wanto engage china and in a the issues tt have been set out in th misting. but i also think theese chin will talk us to death. and before this summit i was down in wash aington an administration officl said "the truth is, they dot wan to cooperate on anything." and so i ink in additioto our continued efforts... >> rose: they don't want to cooperate on anything? >> exactly. >> rose: they have no interest in currency reform. they have no interest in climate change. they have no interest in... >>s that' why you see... >> in nick burn's friend rober zell leg in being a responsible stakholder? >> rht, thk that's why you see the rt of hoe level delivebles. and it may be too much to ask. the president's oy been in power fonionths. >> rose: why is that why don't they want to be responsible stakeholders? y don' tyant to coopera
it ll cost them. >> exa reir focus on developing their economy and things that get in the way of that are a rden to a they wantto tain e abili todecide at kind of obligatn th're going to assume. and theydon't like having all the psse broht on by the united states toatch upthe leveof chine obligation. i was just going to say that in addition to the thi kind of which will take us a very long time to get where wewa to go, i think we're ing to have to work with our allies at some points to bring pressure to bea on the chinese on issues like iran, on issues even like north korea, on china's behavior in africa. >> rose: h are our allies going bring preure? >> well, i think thing that china fearmost, aside from domestic instability, is somehow being... is having their internationaimage tarnished. they've worked hard over the past few decades to be seen as an important contributor. rose: what would tarnish the image? >> whawould tarnishhe image would be having the developing
countries, example, say china actually weon't like that way you're doing business nre i afra. or we want you to take a greater role in helping bringlong the peaceproces in dan. leader of the developing world anif the developing world stands up d says actually, you don't reprt us and we're no liking what you're doing, i think that's the kind of additional pressure that can be brought to bear. it's not going to be enough for the united states to sit across the table and try to exert our leverage. what is our levere, exactly. o image, i'm iressed actually, unskillful china is at promoting its image overseas. it's a more appealg country than you would think from some of itsp.r. but the deepepo i would make, this relates to what nickurn say t one time i saw as what are ugly reactions china-- and i'm not talkinabout spitting on the street or that kind of thing-- but a feeling which gave me apprehenon is when there was a sense in cna of the country being disrespected or being looked down on, especially by
western pors. for example, aear and a half ago during the olympic torch relay there was a nasty feeling inside china. and i think that's why it was so important, as nick burns was saying, that presint obama, like the previous two presidents made clear that we were welcoming china's emergence. we're going to work with it and not bottle it up is ay imrtant symbol for him to give. >> rose: nick, go ahead. >> charlie, i just wanted to say in answer to you question, president huh said something veryinteresting at the prs conference, i'll parapase. "we each need to be cognizant of e ot prioritynterest." hu. soonswer you queion, i think president obama is within his rights to sit down withthe chinese leadership and say "iran is a prioritynterest." we're g to have toudge the s.-china relationship? part on how well we cooperate together on iran the chinese ctainlysay to that to us y day of the week on taiwan, you can believe that. i think it's that kind of honest die tloog is not'm possible to achieve and that, you know, the chinese gh bristle at it but
i think th'll understa it and respecit. >> rose: so in other words believe you can change their attitude about ira if ioritize iand say "this asmportant is to us as taiwan is to you"? i think that would be intelligent thing for us to say. i go back a point eleth made thechines do not like to be isolated, particularly, say in power grouping i'm thinking of the security counci when we wereble to, i eence isolate the chinese and get the other powers to come along wit us, thehine were re inclined to cooperate. they didn't want tostick out. and the questionran of rht now, they are not pulling their weight the russns have their own problems, but at least the russians are talking a better game. you saw what president medvede said in singapore with president obama. >>ose: and i'm told-- and tell me whether this has any accuracy nick-- that if in fac the russia come around on sanctions, the chinese will follow. they'll pretty much follow wher the russians go. >> i think it's very interesting. on iran russia leads and t chinese follow and they blo getheronorth korea, ch leins and
russia follows. rose: anything tha.. what's the bigst mine field in allof this for the president? >> the actual complexity of the is, getting the economic relationship balanced over time difficult and time consumi, as we've heard. the chinese are notngto do it willingly. they're going to have to be nudged along. the environmental issues are a first order difficulty on their scienc on ei economics and everything else. there's always the potential flash point involving a taiwan tibet. so i thi it'sortunaly onlyhe obvious things. it's the fact that the issues themselves are so portant, they're going to take s long to resolve. in a way it's like health care reform in the u.s. there's no easy answer becausei' ther easynswer. >> will you be... will weee and witness a changein the liti system that wlfollow the ce >> i am forever optimistic on that front. i thk we're already beginning
to see with the advent of the internet, with the development of mdle-class a not just rural protest taking place, urban protest in the cities. i think we are beginning to see that as incos are rising people are desiring to have a greater say in the policy process, in the decisions t are being made that are going to afct them. and i think as the econy continues grownd issue like transparency and the rule of law and official accountability only growin importance, the all promote, i think, a cnge and a reform within tolitic system. and the final point i'll make is at, u know, we a looking to a pitical transition in 2012 in china. and the this next generation of leaders, there's some exciting figures in there. so it may be sort of exciting... >> rose: exting because? >> bause they've unrtak their own fos when they've en local leaders. one ma for example, used to make his cin secretaries compete against each other on television in front of the
public. so i think there's inter ideasloatinout there in this next gerion of leaders. now he's in charge of the organizational department. >> rose: he's not too old take over leadership? he's 59 now. >> i don't know, is it too old? >> rose: well, i don't know. i've heard they're looking for people who are younger. >>-the-he looks goodti. >> rose:o he's aontender to beat? >>s a contend >> rose: nick,peak to the idea whether litical change wl in fact, follow economic change. and do we have to give the chinese some understandi when ere's ... they recogni it d nt to mane it. >> wel ithinkit's the great question about the future of china and i ink i would agree with elizab tha wh yo unthesehuge economic changes and transform the landscape of the country andhe lives of the people, oft in a very positive way, it's hard t lieve that politicalhange is not gointoollow. thereat question about china will be llhat politiange be in an evnary sse positive an constructive and contribute to the growth of the country or
will ibeiolent? and will th chinese communist party in its inability to hold on to power strike out against its own people i the future? i don't know the answer to that question. i don't thinknybody does. bu it's going to write the history of china. and for all those people who are predicting kd of o strght ne grasp china will ertake usn g.d.p. in which year, you have to factor in these political influences and obviously we wish china well in this. and ifchina could develop in a very gradual evolutionary way towards some more ope system and system that would pay attention to the human rights of its people, that could be profoundly positive for all of china's neighbors, iluding t united states. >> ros jim? >> i pay more attention to the development of liberties inside china than democracies. and even in the time washe there was some expansion of liberties, of people's freedom life, freedom of expression, freedom of choice, freedom of ani think tt's an ar for us to concentrate on. i agree that the future of the
country isuncertain because thers so many challenges they face. thnvironmental situation is really profound and there are lots of other tensio inside it. sohink it' intere n our interest to pushor as stle d mane a development tre in china bause any alternative would be worse for us than that. not toon worse for them. >> rose: thank you, jim, you,ickhank u elizabe. >> thankou >> re:ll brighback. ripert tasbout fo ay with us. >> rose: e rip pert isre. she is he d co-owner of thneyorkity restaura berndin. at age29 harned a four star rating from the niplgs and s maintained that ratingever . one man sd was t best run place'd shever encountere television. his hine episode series avec eric
day but aed on public television is fl. he is a look attheeries join chef eric ripert on a culinary journ ue a you've ever experienced. >> rose: i'm pleased to have eric ripert at thitable. he's been here before i a mber of conversations about food. we now talk foo andabout television, so welcome. thank yo charlie. great pleasure to be with you today. tevision? lots of people are doing it but u.you' the top of your ga. >> well, i always wanted to do televisi. and i didn't like the format of the shows i would see on some
networks and i always thought i can share my knowledge, inspire also fight for sustainabilityway and so on. so the only wa to do that... i mean, to my knowledge was to go with pbs and t have a gat prucer, jeffrey dr man, who jul. >> rose:s that ght? >> absolutely. >> rose: did you goind him or what brought the two of you together? you knew about him? >> another company was co-producinghe show an i'm partneringith them a well and we intewed producers and he was the right man, he uerstood what wanted to do. and at i wanted to do was to the life-style i have that like thef that i am i'm a chef ate bernardin. we start theho in the kiheand i ierview associate and talk about why is
it so mystal. anit's more many rsons. t as you know,rlie,ou nn measure a sauce innches and gms. if you don't say "i have one inch of rosemaryfully my sauce." it's all in the mind. so i wanted to demystify a bit the way the hen rk and then i travel for iration in my real life so i saidwhy no it with a t.v.nd let's go see some interesting pple and lk to them, interact with them. get inspired and the the e of the show is when i'm coming back to my hom kitchen, which is a much more beautiful kitchen than my kitchen but anyway. and i cook something simpleer inspired by my experience for the viewer. >> rose: have you changed in the way yocook over the last 20 years? >> yes, of course. asit h been a closed te evolution. yocannote static...
>> rose: i know the idea you of have to evolve is there. but show me how you have >> for instance, i grew up in therefe my palat and my inspiration was coming fromthe mediterranean. if we consider cooking something artistic, where comes the inspiration? it comes from our surroundings. with the world around us.on so when i ce to new york-- we're talking about 20 years ago-- i came with a very french way of seeing food wi a very strong mediterrane influence. then i discovered japanese cuisine. i discoveredchinese cuisine. i went to brooklyn and ved the stores where they he all the spices. i traveled throughout the u.s. and interact with many other chefs from other cultures. i scoveredouth america, i went to jap. and all that ultimately is digested and comes back into my
cooking in the kin of... call that smart fusion. >> r cookg shows are kind of instructions "here is how you cook this meal." >> yes. >> rose: yours isferent. >> it'.. bit of that. i'm teaching you some techniques. m teaching you how to recognize frfish from fish that is old because i think it's essentl for the person who's going to cook at home to know when the product looks good an when the product is not good. because with a mediocre gredient, even if youe a genius, it's mediocre. so i'm giving a cole of tricks. i'm teaching you how to season properly with salt because i know a lot of... even professionals are challenged on the beginning by how to apply the salt on the food. and it's aechniq. i can show you the technique, the technique is to stay above the food like that and to be ry precise and fus and feel
e salt your hand and, you ow, it's to be connected with the product. so i try to bring that into the show. but the sh i much more than just giving you instructions. the show is really inspational by the life-styles and b the... what's the... the beekeepers do or the wine maker. >> ros but i'm going to see you now going on a wilboor hunt. >> yes. >> rose: set that up. what's that about? >> well, wt to italy. ande went t tuscany anit was beautiful ant's part their culture. and where i grew up in france also, the hunting season, it's somethvery impor it's something that brings peopleoghe it's a b celebtion. in small vlages it's a rty on suny where everybo gathers around what has been hunted and the wild boor is not an animal th is in danger, acally it almostoo many erwe shot
d it's a ritual. and i know wki an imal, however, you , we are omnivores, we can't be vegan or vegetarian most of us. d the way to do it is a rial very respectful t life of the animal. the way they ok it,he way ey prare it is tradition. i wanted to first of all have the adreline of thi is woods d trying to... i s n shoong. i dot kill anima i' critoutha i ok them but ion't kill them. and then obviously we ate it and theyere sharing their cture with me. >> rose: right rap here it is. >> wel i just saw, like, a blackball running so fast.'s iredible t speed tt thoswilde are. it sted, like ten sec and
it went voom, like that. >> well,we jusshot the boor but let me tell you, i t want to go towardshat animal. was running so fas they should have given us a gun. well, this is not a walk in the park. we saw the wild boar a couple times, i hope we're going to get and of course we're going to cook him and eat him with a lo of wine. >> rose: what's your technique in filming these things. there's not a lot of retakes, you reay let it >> yes, well first of all, i am
incapable of reading the script in elish correctly. so we have t completely avoid anything scripted. and we did... >> rose: gor you. >> good for me bse it's no choice no matter what. so it's all conversational and went to situations like that where, you know, i am in the middle of the wos so t wildr, we shot in my kitchen and i haan ide what i o shwantede with the viewers talking to the paceryf and so on. >> rose: you have said that you hope that ing the series will help you connec to wre foo comefrom. >> absolutely. i don't thk i have ever been discnected. wever, you kn, when see foa new yorker, i live a big urban center leyou.when it
s, farmer markets d i'm not tnking of the farmertor bee keeper who's ng the honey and inhe a jar, i grabbed the jar, putit in my basket and bringhe honey back home. and that experience made me rethink again where the source of the food is. and how they do it d so on. >> re: do you think th is happening in sort of a wideay with people who are interested in food and interested in restaurants and intested in dining out? >> it's no doubt... >> rose: and cooking, too? >> it's no doubt that it's a renaissance or a revoon. pecially america where believe that 30 years ago... i know for a fact 20 years ago fresh basil was not easy to find. it was dry or nothing. and a lot of t chefs had hard timeo
ingrednts and on today it' people are terested, not onl professial chefs but people in theie are interesting in buying organic, in going to the green market. in helping the localarmers. it's an interest in cooking and mo of my friends are not in the industry and they celebrat on sunday with their friends and they celebrate, you know where? the kitchen where people gher around the food and talk and you drink wine, obviously. you don't get drunk and then sloppy, but you drink wine, you haveoodtimend the food connects people together. and we seeunion square market in newor gre sucss. no upper et sideis arting sotree once a week to have some small markets where the farmers come. and we're creating a dynamic with ppl who are keepinghe
land, cl serating the land, brging pducts that ult mately good r us. i don't want toat chicken full of hormones and full of antibiotics. and i don't want to know this that my icken was in a cage and ver se the sunlight cage wih five other chicks. and don't want to be militant. it's not about that. but i nt mycken to be in the field. and eat grain. i don't want a chicken to eat something that is not suppod to eat. i dot want the lando... the lam at powder. >> rose: the "w york times" had a story notlo ago, a terrle story where a woman had e. coli. >> yes. >> rose: and it came from contaminated hburger. >> charlie, of course you can... you cat food poining everywhere on this planet. anywhere at any time. could be... >>rose: but is there some indictment to be made of the way some of the food that we get
that appea at the supermarket has be put together tt we are being sold... you don't buy this idea, do you? >> i don't like the idea of going to the supermarket and having ahe foodrocessed and to me this is... it's not rit. >> rose: and not wholesome. >> of cose. and i want to go buy m vegetables and my sal salad, not behind plastibag. i refuse to buy icken that... i saw the other day for an experiment, i don't say the name of the supermarket, but it looks like... like that, ke a rectgle. it has no identity. >> rose: i agree. i agree. >> you know, natal... i dot know who was behind a the definition o "natural" but natural doesn't mean it's
tural e way you think. it doesn't mean that it's a tomato ripe on the vine i the field, natur means sething different. so the food we consume has a lot of... is too processed. especially here in this country. in europe they have a... >> rose: less so in france. >> less so, although wre starting to see in the france as well because the supermarkets do do the same that what we see here. butm against processed foods and i'mgainst obviously chemics and so on and industrial productio especially for animals. but the show, we're not... i'm not as aggressive as i... >> rose: as you feel? >> as i feel. i'm t milant about it. i just... i'm shong facts a i want people tolook at it and say, oh, wow, that's cool, i want to go see the rmers 45 minutes out of new york and i want to go see the fields with
my cldn and want to go pick raspberries i season and so on. >> rose: i want to show two clip one owing you collectg oysters and like wise. >> let's pop this open. reach in. >> this one is market size already. >> that's a beautiful sight. we'll check out what theung but condition is. >> that one is beautiful. >> thank you. >> breakfast of >> they are delicious. you know, it's a verygood oyster opener. i'm not competing with him. (laughs) no way. really delicious. >> sometimes barna are a problem for us and you can see the barn nickel barnacles, they close the holes up. no hole, n water flow. and wateis everything.
you can see these oysters, they're slightly open filtering the water. >> these are good, too. sea lettuce? >> yes, this is sea lettuce. >> you can eat that. pretty good. this one is beautiful. when they get bigger, what would be very inresting is to make a very light caesar dressing and try to make a sal with that a lettuce. >> that would be goo >> maybe we'll try somethi >> we'll bringome in. >> yes, it's very good. >> rose: it looks like you enjoy this. do you? se, if i don't enjoy it, i don't do it. in my life i refuse to do anything that i don't enjoy. and the show was anve
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