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starting right now on a special edition of "this week" with george stephanopoulos. it's on. with just one day to iowa, the gop contenders are in a fight to the finish. front-runner donald trump making his fiercest attacks yet. >> ted cruz is an anchor baby in canada. >> and as they chase trump, ted cruz and marco rubio trade fire. >> a vote for marco rubio is a vote for amnesty. >> he's decided to run a very deceitful campaign. >> with the clock ticking down, we're one on one with donald trump. plus, 11th hour surprise. hillary clinton hit with the top-secret e-mail revelation. with hillary and bernie neck and neck in iowa, could the new e-mail firestorm put sanders on top? clinton and sanders join us live on "this week."
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trump, clinton, sanders. just hours until the first votes. as we count down to iowa. from abc news. a special edition of "this week." here now, chief anchor george stephanopoulos. >> tomorrow night we will know. after a season of surprises with unconventional candidates riding a wave of anger, will those first voters in iowa, just a few hundred thousand, will they tell america's establishment we're through? in these final hours, the candidates all across iowa. donald trump rolled into dubuque on his own air force one. >> get out and caucus and don't stay back. i don't care. you're feeling horrible. you have a 104 temperature. the doctor says, you cannot leave. it will be the end of you if you leave bed. you cannot leave. you will not be able to make it. get out of bed and caucus. >> all three clintons together in cedar rapids. >> thank you, bill. thank you, chelsea.
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thank you guys. >> i -- am so proud to be my parents' daughter. >> and you need a world-class changemaker. she is the best i have ever known. >> ted cruz called in phil robertson from "duck dynasty." >> now trump says he's not showing up for the debate with our man, cruz. so let's call old donald duck and try to get him to do the debate. [ duck calls ] >> and listen to bernie sanders with the indie rockers vampire weekend. ♪ this land is your land this land is my land ♪ ♪ from california to the new york island ♪ >> and now the pollster who knows iowa the best has weighed in with her final numbers. ann else isser's poll for "the
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des moines register" and bloomberg showing donald trump with a slight lead. cruz in second, rubio at 15% and ben carson at 10%. on the democratic side, hillary clinton neck and neck with bernie sanders, holding a slim three-point lead. let's dig in with jon karl. let's start out with those democrats right there. bernie sanders and hillary clinton so close. they're drawing on completely different universes. >> reporter: it's incredible, george. look at the generation gap here. bernie sanders has a lead of nearly 40 points among iowa democrats under 35. but it cuts both ways. if you look at hillary clinton, she has an equally huge lead among iowa democrats over 65. remember, traditionally, the older voters are more reliable caucusgoers. that could be an advantage. to her going into this final stretch. >> the poll shows the strategy of bringing out bill clinton. >> reporter: he's doing more events than hillary clinton in the final stretch. look at this.
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iowa democrats love bill clinton. his favorability rating at 86%. only 11% unfavorable. the only democrat more popular among democrats here is barack obama. >> meanwhile, on the republican side, donald trump with the momentum. there are some warning signs inside the poll. >> reporter: yeah, trump has taken a beating over the last couple of weeks. negative advertising attacks from his opponents. his favorability rating, unfavorability rating is at 47% among iowa republicans. that is sky high. meanwhile, cruz and rubio are both much more higher favorability ratings. although cruz has taken a beating himself. his rating has gone down 11 points in just a few weeks. >> and there is some fluidity in the electorate right now? >> reporter: 71% of trump voters will vote for him. everybody else? 45% of iowa republicans say they could change their mind before tomorrow night. that could help marco rubio.
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he's the top second choice among these candidates. more iowa republicans say rubio is their second choice than any other candidate. >> thank you, jon. let's bring in the republican front-runner. donald trump joins us by phone. thank you for joining us. "the des moines register" has you in the lead. are you confident you can turn the supporters into voters? you're counting on a lot of people who haven't caucused before. >> well, i am. they say that the more people that get out, the better i do. i think we'll have a big crowd. the blizzard supposedly is going to be on tuesday, not monday. or monday night. and hopefully, that will hold. they think record attendance will happen tonight. if that happens, i'm supposedly, according to the pollsters, in very good shape. we have a great bonding, as you see by the big surge we have had in the poll. in iowa. a very important poll. >> there is some vulnerability there as well. half the voters in the polls say they're less comfortable with you now as the gop nominee, less
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comfortable with the idea that you're going to be representing america to the world. how do you convince them you're ready to be commander in chief? >> well, for one thing, i did well against hillary one on one. i've beaten her in polls. i'm the one that will beat hillary, assuming she makes it to the gate, which is questionable. to be honest with you. we'll see what happens. and i think that's a very important factor. i think the big factor, if you look at iowa, and this one, how well i'm doing with evangelicals. i'm leading with evangelicals. i'm leading with tea party. i'm doing great in every aspect throughout the nation. and you know, we look forward to an interesting season. we begin -- we begin in one day, hard to believe. >> the votes are finally here. you mentioned hillary clinton. ted cruz is hitting you hard on your relationship with hillary clinton. a brand-new ad released overnight. here it is. >> i live in new york. she lives in new york. i've known her and her husband for years. i really like them both a lot. >> you were at his wedding. >> i was at his wedding. that's right.
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>> is it like where you guys all pretend to dislike each other and then you're all pals behind the scenes? >> he says america needs a fighter not a dealmaker. >> well, you know, you need a dealmaker, too. you can't have somebody standing on the senate floor and nobody endorses you. here's a guy with all these senators, not one endorsement for cruz. he's a nasty guy. nobody likes him. it will be worse gridlock than you have right now. right now, you have gridlock. as far as hillary clinton is concerned, when i was in business, i was a world-class businessman. i built one of the great companies. that's what i intend to do with the country. bring it back to health. because it's dying with there are 19 trillion in debt and lots of other problems. when i was in business, i got along with everybody. democrats, liberals. i got along with conservatives and republicans. i happen to have a conservative way of thought. i happen to be a republican. but when you're a businessman you have to get along with everybody. you can't just say, i'm going to
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get along with a small group because you won't be able to function that way. i get along. even worldwide. i get along with everybody. >> ted cruz is saying a vote for trump is a vote for obamacare. and there's a full-page ad in "the des moines register." saying in the last few months, you're for single payer government-run health insurance. you've called for continued federal funding for planned parenthood. on that obamacare issue, right there, he's saying, because you want the government to pay for everyone to have health care, sthat just li that is just like obamacare. >> look, ted cruz is a total liar. i'm so against obamacare. i've been saying it for two years. i'm going to repeal and replace obamacare. i don't know where he gets this. he didn't put down on his financial disclosure forms that he borrowed money from banks at low-interest loans. lower than you or anybody can get. he's got favorable deals from the banks on wall street. he never put it down. in his financial disclosure
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forms. ted is a liar. this is why nobody likes him. this is why he doesn't have -- this is why he doesn't have one endorsement from one senator. not one. he works with them. he doesn't have one endorsement. i am so against obamacare, it's does gusting. >> any senators endorsed you yet? >> they will be very soon. >> do you have anyone to announce? >> we have tremendous endorsements. jerry fallwell jr. just endorsed me. from liberty university. every candidate goes through liberty university. he endorsed me. that's probably one of the reasons i went so high with evangelicals. sarah palin just endorsed me. sheriff joe from arizona. the toughest guy on the border. sheriff joe. the toughest there is on the border just endorsed me. i have great endorsements. many more are coming. >> you say ted cruz is a liar. you have said you want everyone to be covered on health care and the government will pay for it. how is that not obamacare?
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>> i want people to -- that's true. i want people taken care of. i have a heart. i want people taken care of. if people have no money, we have to help people. that doesn't mean single payer. it means we have to help people. if somebody has no money and they're lying in the middle of the street and dying -- i'm going to take care of that person -- >> how do you do it? >> -- and try to get them back to health. we're going to work with our hospitals, doctors, we've got to do something. you can't have a small percentage of our economy have no protection so they end up simple procedure or a pill. you can't do that. we'll work something out. that doesn't mean single payer. maybe he's got no heart.] and if this means i lose an election, that's fine. because frankly, we have to take care of the people in our country. we can't let them die on the side walks of new york or iowa or anywhere else. so -- but that's not single payer. as far as obamacare is concerned. one of the staples of my speech,
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and you can ask any of my many supporters, is repeal and replace obamacare. the premiums are going up, 25%, 30%, 40%. what's going on with obamacare is an outrage. it will probably fail on its own unless the republicans renew it like they have been in '17. but by '17, obamacare will fail on its open. a whole staple of my campaign is getting rid of obamacare and replacing it. >> you and ted cruz going at it. any concern that marco rubio will sneak up the middle here? >> you never know. it's an election. i sort of doubt it. i have tremendous support. one of the things i'm very proud of is the number that you gave that my people are most committed to me. the people i have are far away, double, triple, quadruple committed to me. they're not going anywhere. because they have confidence in me. i built a great company. some of the greatest assets in the world. low debt, tremendous cash flow. i'm self-funding my campaign. i'm putting all my money into my campaign.
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i'm not borrowg from the oil men and from other special interests like ted cruz. this guy's borrowing from people. he's 100% in their pocket. he's going to do whatever they want him to do. i've turned down hundreds of millions of dollars from people that wanted to support my campaign because i don't want their money. because once they give me their money, they influence me. i don't want to be influenced. the only one that will have influence on me is the american people. i'm going to do what's right for the american people for the first time in many, many years. >> you know, mr. trump, i was there at your announcement in june. did the first interview right after. tell the truth right now. did you ever imagine then that on the eve of the iowa caucuses you would be leading pretty big in every state? >> the truth is, no. i didn't. i thought, i'm somebody that knows how to win. i close the deal, you know that about me for a long time. i do close the deal. i do win. but i never thought i would have 24-point leads in different states. in florida, i'm 48.
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the sitting senator is 11. bush is in the basement. much lower than that. this is in the state of florida. i never thought i would have the kinds of leads. in new hampshire, a 22-point lead. iowa is the closest, i guess the poll just came out. i have a five or six-point lead. i think the people of iowa will surprise. they know -- they know that these phony ads these people put out there, such lies, like obamacare, nobody is more negative on obamacare than donald trump. nobody knows health care more than donald trump. >> anything you could do differently? any adjustments you need to make going forward? >> you always look back. the answer is no. i'm leading in the national polls by in some cases 22 points. and even more. i think it's hard to say that i would have made changes. certainly, i could have changed a word or two. i would really say, no. i'm very happy. i have unbelievable people that will be voting for me.
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the thing i'm most proud about is, take a look. by far. you just announced it this morning. by far the most loyal people are the people that are going to go out and vote or caucus for trump. >> we'll see what happens tomorrow night. thank you very much for joining us this morning. and we're just getting started here. bernie sanders coming up. and we'll be right back with hillary clinton. hey buddy, let's get these dayquil liquid gels and go.
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this thing with her e-mails is a big deal. >> she lied about the fact that there is nothing classified on my server. lie as long as you can get away with it. that is the clinton way. >> she put our national security at risk for her convenience. she broke the law for her convenience. >> hard on those e-mails. she responds live, next. on her convenience. >> hard on those e-mails.
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call the verizon center for customers with disabilities at 800.974.6006 tty/v speaking is hard for me. but january. come january, i want to say these two words. madame president. [ cheers and applause ] >> gabby giffords there with a hug for hillary clinton in ames, iowa, yesterday. thank you for joining us, madame secretary. >> thank you, george. >> let's talk about the "des moines register" poll. it has you in the lead. eight years ago, your hopes were dashed by the surge of new voters for barack obama. are you confident that won't happen again? >> well, george, here's what i'm confident about. we have run a terrific campaign
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from the grass roots up. i feel so proud and grateful for the thousands of iowans that have joined this campaign. we're going to keep working until the caucuses conclude tomorrow night. of course, it's close. it's competitive. that's why i hope everybody who has decided to caucus for me will be sure to come out on monday night. >> you did have the surprise on friday. the state department saying they will not release 22 e-mails of yours deemed top-secret. you want them reased. why are you so cfident that release would not compromise national security? what do you know about those e-mails that we don't? >> well, here's what i know. i know that this is -- i think -- a continuation of the story that has been playing out for months. there is no classified marked information on those e-mails. sent or received by me. dianne feinstein, the ranking member of the intelligence committee, who has had a chance to review them, has said that
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this e-mail chain did not originate with me and that there were no classification markings. so i do want them released. and of course, i can't be clear about exactly what the reasons might be for some in the government as part of this interagency dispute to make this request, not to make them public. but, i would like to see them disclosed. i think they can and should b y disclosed. from everything i'm told about them. >> your supporters, including tom vilsack and others, have suggested it's political. is that what you think? >> i'm going to leave that to others experienced in the ways of washington to comment on. i just have to point out that the timing, and some of the leaks that have led up to it, are concerning. i just want this matter resolved. the best way to resolve is to do what i asked months ago. release these. let the public see them. let's move on. >> you have said many times, the e-mails were not marked classified. no evidence that that's not true.
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the nondisclosure agreement you signed as secretary of state said it's not that relevant. classified information is marked or unmarked classified. all of you are trained to treat all of that sensitively and should know the difference. >> of course. that's exactly what i did. i take classified information very seriously. you know, you can't get information off the classified system. in the state department. to put on to an unclassified system, no matter what that system is. we were very -- specific about that. and, you -- when you receive information, of course, there has to be some marking. some indication that someone down the chain had thought that this was classified. that was not the case. the final thing i would say, because clearly, the best answer to all of this is release and disclose these terribles is that, what i'm told is that this
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chain of e-mail very well included a published newspaper report. that seems a little hard to understand. that we would be retroactively overclassfying a public newspaper article. let's get it out. see what it is. let the american people draw their own conclusions. this is very much like benghazi. the republicans will continue to use it. beat up on me. i understand that. that's the way they are. after 11 hours of testimony, answering every single question in politics, which i had requested for months, it's clear that they're grasping at straws. this will turn out the same way. >> you told my colleague, david muir awhile back, that it was a mistake to set up the private server. this monday, you said there was no error in judgment. how you to square those two statements? >> it was permitted. my predecessor engaged in a similar practice. it was not the best choice or i would be talking about what the people in iowa are talking to me
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about. the concerns on their minds. and be really able to answer their questions, as i have been now for so many months. >> you and senator sanders going at it right now. here was -- he was on the stump yesterday. saying this about your attacks. >> don't tell me that i'm defending or protecting the gun lobby. don't tell me i'm attacking planned parenthood. those are inaccuracies. and we can do better than that. >> he's calling you out. he said he's got a d-minus rating from the nra and a 100% record with planned parenthood. >> well, let me tell you what the people who work on these issues every day have said. they've said i'm the leader. the lead who are has taken on tough issues. issues like planned parenthood, the gun lobby for years. they concluded to endorse me by the planned parenthood action fund.
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i was very honored to have that. that's not saying others haven't voted with them. they were looking for a leader and they found it with me. i've been endorsed by the brady campaign. yesterday, at a very emotional event at ames, iowa, i was endorsed by gabby giffords and her husband, mark kelly. they believe i'm the leader they want to stand up to the gun lobby. the same with the human rights campaign. they concluded i was the leader to protect and advance the cause and the rights of the lgbt community. now, that is just the facts. people who know us, who know what they want in the next president have sided with me. and i'm very proud of that. >> you just mentioned they're going to be hitting you with the e-mail issue. the republicans are clearly going to hit bernie sanders with the fact that he's a democratic socialist if he gets the nomination. some of your supporters concerned about that. senator claire mccaskill said they can't wait to run an ad with a hammer and a sickle. steny hoyer. congressman hoyer saying, he calls himself a socialist. i don't think that is a good title to have to run for the president of the united states.
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is that what you think? will the fact that he's a democratic socialist make it harder for democrats to win in november? >> well, that certainly is what a lot of democratic leaders are saying. and i take them at their word. they know their states. they know the country. they know we have to take back the senate. they want to make advances in the house as well as at governor and legislature levels across the country. here's what i think. i think i have been subjected, as you know so well, to years of scrutiny, and i -- still standing. talking to you. in the lead here in iowa. for the caucuses. and going on after that. and, it's a very -- tough gauntlet to run. and if there are issues that republicans and their allies on the right believe they can use to bring down a democrat, they're going to use it. i feel vetted. i feel ready. i feel strong. and i think i'm the best person to be the nominee and defeat whoever they nominate in november.
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>> finally, i wonder what your response is to this quote from your old friend, robert reich. he said, you're the most qualified candidate for the political system we now have. but bernie sanders is the most qualified candidate to create the political system we should have. how do you respond to that? >> well, look. i'm a progressive who thinks it's important to make progress. that's what i've done my entire life. that's what i will do as president. obviously, i have big goals. i want to get to universal coverage. i want to get the economy working for everybody. not just those at the top. get incomes rising. get women equal pay. raise the minimum wage. a renaissance in manufacturing. move toward clean renewable energy. i have big goals. i tell you how i'm going to get there and how i'm going to pay for them. i think that is what americans want. i'm got going to sit here and overpromise and underdeliver. i'm going to tell you what i know we can achieve. and that will take the political system we have right now.
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i intend to bring in more people, as i always have. when i ran for senate the first time, people didn't give me much of chance. i won. when i was re-elected, i won with a bigger percentage. secretary of state, the republicans even said i was doing a good job. i understand politics. i understand a campaign. i'm focused on my mission to make sure this country works for everybody, particularly hard-working, middle class families who rightly feel they've been left out and left behind. i think i know how to do that. and i think the voters know that i know how to do that. >> secretary clinton, thank you for joining us. >> great to talk to you. thank you. >> we'll be right back with bernie sanders. thank you. >> we'll be right back with bernie sanders. seriously? where do you think you're going? to work, with you. it's taco tuesday. you're not coming. i took mucinex to help get rid of my mucusy congestion. oh, right then i'll swing by in like 4 hours. forget the tacos! one pill lasts 12 hours. i'm good all day. wait! your loss. i was going to wear a sombrero.
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is that what's going to happen? are the pundits going to look dumb? >> i surely hope so, george. uh, look. we have been running all over the state. we have had town meetings and rallies that have brought out almost 70,000 people in the state of iowa. i think if working people and lower income people and young people come out to vote in significant numbers tomorrow night, we're going to win this thing and pull off one of the great political upsets in recent history. you know, george, when we began this campaign, as you well know, we were trailing hillary clinton by 50 or 60 points. some of the polls have us a little bit behind. some of the polls have us a little bit ahead. >> you led me to it. your announcement in may was one of the most low-key presidential announcements i have ever seen. i'm going to ask you the same question i asked donald trump at the begin of course the program.
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when you were making that announcement on may 6th, did you really believe you would be in the position you're in today? >> this is what i thought, to be honest with you. i thought the message that we had, which is that the economy is rigged in the sense that working people are working longer hours for lower wages and almost all new income is going to the top 1%. i thought that would resonate. and i thought that the idea that the campaign finance system is corrupt. george, you cannot appreciate how disgusted people are, whether they're conservatives or progressives, with the idea that billionaires now are able to buy elections. so, i thinthat issue, those issues of the decline of the middle class. of billionaires being able to buy elections while kids can't afford to go to college, while people are just sinking further and further into poverty, i thought that that message would resonate. i didn't believe it would resonate quite as fast as it has.
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>> you clearly have struck a chord. we heard secretary clinton make her case. what's at the heart of her case is, that line about your candidacy. she's not going to overpromise and underdeliver. that was an argument picked up by "the new york times" saying she has the breadth of experience and your proposals are not realistic. how do you respond? >> i respond to it by saying that every proposal that i'm bringing forth, is, in fact, supported by the vast that majority of the american people. the problem is is that congress is so dominated by big-money interests, they're much more concerned about campaign contributions than the needs of working families. the united states should join the rest of the industrialized world, guarantee health care for all people. make public colleges and universities free. create jobs by rebuilding the infrastructure.
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these are not radical ideas, george. and demanding that the -- start paying taxes. break up the wall street conglomerates. these are not radical ideas. this is what the american people want. the real question is, can we effectively take on the drug companies? and the insurance companies? and wall street? and corporate america? that's a fair question. i believe the american people are ready for that fight. i give you one example, george. we have received 3 million individual campaign contributions averaging $27 a piece. that is more than any candidate in the history of america up to this point. secretary clinton relies on superpacs and wealthy people to contribute to her campaign. that's the difference. the american people want us to move in a very different direction. they want government to represent all of us not just the wealthy. that's why our campaign is doing well. that's why i think we can win the general election.
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>> that's the other key question. can you win the general election? you heard what secretary o clinton had to say about the other democrats who are concerned, that you, a democratic socialist, will get slapped with that label and can't win in a general election. >> in terms of what people are beginning to get slapped with, look at the front pages. with what secretary clinton is getting slapped with. >> what is it? >> it has to do with e-mails. our campaign is generating an enormous amount of excitement and enthusiasm all over the country. we're bringing large numbers of people into the political process. democrats win elections when large numbers of people come out and vote. that's what obama did in 2008. that's what we can do right now. republicans win elections when people are demoralized and voter turnout is low. i think there is no question but
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that we have the excitement. second of all, george, look at some of the polls that are out there. look at the polls from battleground states. in terms of wisconsin, new hampshire, iowa. sanders versus trump. we do a lot better than hillary clinton does against trump. national polls, we're doing better against trump. will they throw the kitchen sink at me? they sure will. we have a lot to throw at them. the american people don't want to vote for republicans who want to cut social security, medicaid, and give money to billionaires. republicans who refuse to acknowledge climate change, let alone do something about it. republicans who are bought and sold by billionaires and corporate america. >> you just -- >> if we run against trump, we'll beat him. i'm absolutely confident that we can win the general election. >> you just mentioned the e-mails. you said in the first debate, you're sick and tired of hearing about them. the republicans are clearly not. are you now saying that is an issue in november? this will harm her electability? >> i think you know, well, what
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you just said is true. republicans are talking about. what i have said is there is a legal process under way right now. i'm not going to politicize that issue. i'm not attacking hillary clinton on that issue. i stand by what i said in the first debate. republicans, needless to say, have a different point of view on that. i'm going to, and i think the reason our campaign is doing well, we're treating the american people with intelligence. we're talking about a corrupt campaign finance system, a rigged economy, a broken justice system. the need for people who have given up on american democracy to come back in. and demand that our government represents all of us and not just the top 1%. that's why we're winning. we're running an issue-oriented campaign. that's why i think we can win in november. >> in that "des moines register"
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poll, president obama, the most popular democrat in the state of iowa right now. you met with the president this week. you have had something of an uneven relationship with him. a new book out by bill press. called "buyer's remorse. how obama let progressives down." right at the top there's a message from you. a more nuanced, lengthy endorsement from you on the back. is that what you believe? president obama let progressives down? >> george, what i believe -- i wrote a blurb. it said that the next president has got to be very active in bringing people into the political process. democracy is not about 63% of the people not voting, which was the case in the last election. that's what the next president has got to do. i happen to believe that president obama has done an excellent job taking on the incredible obstructionism of the republicans. where we are today is a lot, lot better place than we were when bush left office and we were losing 800,000 jobs a month.
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president obama, vice president biden have done a great job. they're my friends. i work with them. so i think what we have got to do is build on that record and go forward and address the needs of the american middle class. >> thank you, senator sanders, for joining us this morning. >> thank you. you've heard from the candidates. expert analysis and insight on what to watch for from our "roundtable" is next.
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tonight marks the first election night of the new millennium. and tonight also marks the beginning of the end of the clinton era. [ cheers and applause ] tonight's record-shattering victory is the victory of a message. that is conservative. and is compassionate. >> they said this country was too divided. too disillusioned to ever come together around a common purpose. but on this january night, at this defining moment in history, you have done what the cynics said we couldn't do. [ cheers and applause ]
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>> the last two presidents who rode wins in iowa to the white house. let's talk about it with "the roundtable." donna brazile, matthew dowd, who has worked for republicans and democrats. alex castellanos and katrina vanden heuvel. editor and publisher of "the nation." let's begin with the republican side right now. donald trump in front. we'll see if he can pull it out. >> i remember when ronald reagan took on an incumbent president. and little-known governor won the democratic race. it's as fascinating and impressive as that. i think right now, donald trump is the odds on favorite to win iowa. it totally depends, we have talked about before, what the turnout ratio is between old and new caucusgoers. t it looks like he'll have enough new caucusgoers that are very enthused that i think he pulls out a victory. when he does, there will be a sonic boom around the country.
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a lot of people think, oh, the republicans will deal with that. republicans will deal with that. when he wins, it will be a big night. >> and ted cruz said he'll be unstoppable. alex, you, several weeks ago, several months ago, you tried to get republicans to organize and take him on. it's not happened. >> yeah, how are we doing with that? not so well. i think matthew is right. i think trump is probably going to win iowa. cruz is running as the candidate of moral purity. right? the guy on the white horse. you can't get mud on your white horse. he's had a problem with that with integrity. authenticity questions. he's heading the wrong way and he's got someone behind him who is growing. marco rubio. cruz has a great organization. this may be a trump and rubio race down the road. that's actually the -- >> a tougher race. that is the hope of the republican establishment. >> yes, it is. >> what lessons should democrats take from the rise of donald trump?
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>> there's no question in a very anti-establishment year, when anger came to the forefront, i think bernie sanders has captured that. very well on the democratic side. the insecurities of the american economy, their place in the world. bernie has really given voice to that. amplified. on the republican side, look, i'm an old, traditional, grass roots type of person. i don't run ads. cruz has a great ground operation. he may get the votes out. i may not be enough if donald trump can storm the caucuses with new voters. on the other hand. bernie sanders. hillary clinton has the traditional people. the people that will come out rain, sleet, or snow. but bernie has the momentum in terms of the grass roots people. the people who are trying to make a difference. here's one thing i heard. i'm not on the ground yet. i hear that bernie, unlike obama, in january 3, 2008. president obama had to depend on the college towns. but, the college kids were at home. not at school. this year, they're at school.
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and what bernie is trying to do is to get them to go back home. >> he's got to get them to go back home. that's right. "the nation" endorsed bernie sanders. >> yes, they did. i was on the show when bernie sanders just announced. he has upended all rules. he's shown that a different kind of politics is possible. there's a reason 68% of caucusgoers believe a rigged system in the country that benefits only the rich and powerful is the pre-eminent issue of our time. he's electrified the young people. he's leading in iowa, i think, 74% among young people. he's shown that the media has done some malpractice. last summer, obsessive coverage of donald trump. bernie sanders was bringing young people in to rallies. there was so little coverage. he brought in millions of contributions. small dollars. taking on the biggest fund raszing operation we have seen with the clinton people. >> you 2kdid endorse hillary, right?
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i'm just checking. >> one of the things bernie said is his ideas are not radical. i think a lot of the media has tried to marginalize him. and police the parameters of what is possible. in this country, so many of these issues, if people can look beyond the label. he's a new dealer. >> let's test it. run the republican campaign against sanders. >> bernie is woodstock. he's running a '60s fantasy camp for liberals. >> medicare for all. >> to run back to -- oh, my god. >> social security. affordable college. decent pensions. dignity. dignity. >> a company bankrupted by those ideas. that's hillary's problem. by the way. the hard part for hillary is she's trying to murder the '60s. she's running the richard nixon campaign against the democratic -- >> she has learned the lessons of the last campaign. clearly in iowa, this time around, much more organized than in 2008. >> she saw the loss. it caught up with her in a surprise at the end.
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i still think hillary clinton is a status quo politician in the course of this. that's why i think bernie sanders may be a stronger general election candidate than hillary clinton. i think hillary clinton, her campaign, just like jeb bush's campaign, not doing well at all, but she still hasn't let go of the status quo, i'm going to do everything i can, not saying anything that will offend anybody. not at a time when people want passion. they want aspiration. bernie sanders right now is the only one on the democratic side who is aspirational. donald trump right now is the only one of the republican side that basically says, i'm going to take on anybody. >> i'm fascinated. >> she served in washington for 20 years. >> well, bernie has served in washington for 25 years. that's not the point. i think she has brought in the kind of campaign the democrats are comfortable with. they're comfortable with a
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candidate who can put out bold policy ideas that has an opportunity to pass congress. she knows how to do it. look, again, this is a nontraditional year. nobody, i'm not betting my lunch money on the -- >> watching hillary clinton run like an anti-establishment candidate is like watching charles barkley swing a golf club. it does not come naturally to her. she is what the democratic party is. that's why bernie sanders is a message to hillary. come our way. and she can't. >> "the nation" is not a monolith. we did endorse bernie sanders. i support hillary clinton. she's responded to the populace temper of the time. bernie sanders has forced issues on to the agenda of the debate that might not have otherwise been there. >> i agree with that. >> and hillary clinton has responded. she's been a great defender of women's rights. and she's moved. i do think we need to step back. bernie sanders, all the policing, i've seen by liberal commentators in the last week or two about how he's not electable, i think matthew dowd just put that to rest.
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but i also think we need to step back. this is a country of a rising american -- >> i believe it. i would rather be bernie sanders running again donald trump than hillary clinton running. >> look at your party. the republican party. >> not my party. i'm an independent. >> the republican party is engaged in a suicide pact with its own party. if it doesn't reach out to the rising ma american majority of young people, latinos, young women, it's going to -- >> i want to get back to donald trump. we talked a lot about bernie sanders and hillary clinton. this is an unbelievable story. on the eve of the iowa caucuses, he's in front. let's look ahead. matthew dowd, he wins. is ted cruz right that he can't be stopped? >> i think he can be stopped. but it's a very outside shot. lets just roll out. let's just roll this out. donald trump, let's say he wins iowa. he'll then win in new hampshire overwhelmingly. he goes into south carolina, probably wins that
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overwhelmingly. then you get to the a national primary. 20 states are held the first eight days of march. it's almost unstoppable. i mean, almost completely unstoppable. the only way i think the republicans can figure out a way is if somehow, rubio surprises. and then he becomes the quick alternative. then it's a rubio-trump race starting in new hampshire. >> so he's got to beat expectations? >> george bush, 43, said nobody ever bought a product that made them feel worse. that's ted cruz. marco rubio is the future of the republican party. a different republican party. a great contrast with hillary clinton and a democratic party that wants to preserve the past and trap it in amber. if there's a little shot that if this is a trump-rubio race, we could see the beginning of a better republican party. >> that's the future. marco rubio's youthful
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exuberance masks regressive, old ideas. >> he wants to open the economy. democrats want to keep it close. >> the only thing we don't know, donald trump has not -- he's left marco rubio alone. he left ted cruz alone. ain.e decided to leave him alone >> he left ted cruz alone until the last three weeks. and in the last three weeks, donald trump has system aticall taken down ted cruz in iowa. >> he peaked too soon. at 31% in december, he's going down. there are three tickets. an old cliche. three tickets out of a iowa on the republican side. donald trump will get a free pass. he has his own plane. ted cruz will likely come out. marco rubio will likely become the establishment candidate. they'll all consolidate. come to him. and then 50% are chosen in march. >> will the others drop out? >> there's not much reason to unless they want a cabinet post in say a trump administration. which some might.
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but as you go, what republicans are looking for now is who will be the alternative to trump, should he win in iowa? which he probably will. is that cruz? then a choice between a dark republican party or a native republican party. or somebody who wants to open up the company. somebody who said yesterday's candidate wants to take us back to yesterday. you would have a generational -- the video you showed of the clinton rally i thought was so powerful. i thought that rally looked old. it felt old. it felt lifeless. bernie sanders, i agree with matthew. >> we're talking about trump's chances. i think a lot of -- look back, we're going to look back at this one and, again, see a media malpractice. that led our media to give him obsessive coverage, click, ratings, and -- look at tissue he's a right wing -- >> there's no question he is leading. here's the question i have.
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i have interviewed him 20 times since june. he's been asked every single tough question. he's had every single attack come at him. he's done things that would drive other candidates out of the race, in a heart beat, but it hasn't happened to him. why? >> if you want to -- we talk about bernie sanders out of sync with the majority. which i believe he's not. donald trump is in sync with right wing populism. the other day, he said medicare should negotiate with drug companies. he's against corporations leaving this country. but his attacks on muslims and immigrants. he's tough on immigrants. but he's also tough on -- >> but it's t about issues with trump. >> it's not. it's about dominance politics. >> should trump have skipped the fox debate? one of the things we teach candidates, moments of strength. they're gladitorial contests. we put you in a pit for a reason. are you tough enough to do this job? other candidates debated within the debate. trump debated with the debate. fox news is the most powerful organ in the republican party.
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he took them on. >> and it wouldn't have worked for anybody els so look. get out on monday, caucus. i think the storm is on tuesday. i hope. and you know what? supposing it's on monday, so you go through some snow, okay? you're from iowa. are you afraid of snow? are you afraid of snow?
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>> donald trump, weather forecaster as well. let's go back to iowa with jon karl. it's a cliche. it happens to be true. it all comes down to turnout. so what's the latest forecast they have out there? >> okay, well i'm going to channel my own ginger zee. the forecast for tomorrow night. for tomorrow night, we expect passing snow showers. temperatures at about 32 degrees. the heavy snow is not expected to come until after midnight. but, boy, is it going to come. take a look at this. we have a blizzard bearing down on iowa. we're expecting about a foot of snow. it is not expected to come until tuesday, george. which means it may not affect turn outat all. it could well affect the ability of the candidates to get out and get to new hampshire. for the new hampshire primary. >> let's talk about turnout. eight years ago, barack obama had 240,000 people show up. it drove him to victory. about 120,000 for the democrats
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in 2004. the closer it is to that, the better hillary clinton does. on the republican side, above 120,000, all trump? >> that's right. the republicans will have a record turnout. for the democrats, bernie sanders believes they need to get close to that 200,000 mark. maybe 180,000 or morend he'll be in good shape. under that, he'll be in real trouble. >> thank you all for sharing part of your sunday with us. stay with us for all the first votes tomorrow night. david muir will be live from iowa. i'll be standing by with our whole team to bring you the results as they come in. next saturday night, the final gop debate before the inspect. primary, right here on abc. that begins at 8:00 eastern. i'll see you live tomorrow morning on "gma" live from des moines.
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