tv Full Measure With Sharyl Attkisson ABC April 3, 2016 9:30am-10:00am EDT
[captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] ♪ sharyl: hello. i'm sharyl attkisson. welcome to "full measure." on our recent trip to the southern border, we saw how easily drug smugglers climb over or cut through the border fence or simply find spots where there is no fence at all. but you might be surprised to know how extensively mexico's smugglers use another tactic to move people and drugs into the u.s. -- underground tunnels. earlier this month, a tunnel the length of four football fields was discovered running from a restaurant in mexico to a house in southern california. that is how we begin this week
it's nicknamed the "james bond tunnel," the first known drug tunnel unearthed in the u.s. back in 1990. federal agents who found it said it was like something out of a bond movie. at 270 feet long, it was dug near the official border crossing in the town of douglas, arizona, part of a drug trafficking network run by mexican drug kingpin el chapo guzman. in just seven months, the feds say guzman used this 5-foot-tall underground passageway to help smuggle 60,000 pounds of cocaine into the u.s. on the mexican side, there was a hidden switch inside a smuggler's luxury home used to lift a pool table and concrete slab to open the passageway. border patrol agent sergio martinez. agent martinez: the first tunnel was discovered in 1990 in douglas, arizona. and since then, they have encountered 183 tunnels within the tucson sector and the southe
and most recently in nogales, arizona, they have actually created a team -- it's called the nogales tunnel team in nogales, where their daily duties are to go find tunnels. sharyl: border patrol agents use remote controlled robots to investigate the tunnels. the majority of them, at least 100, have turned up in the town of nogales, arizona -- some just steps from the border crossing teeming with federal agents. this tunnel on the border town of naco is one of the longest, at more than 900 feet, and one of the most recent discoveries. here in southern arizona, we're just a few hundred yards from the mexican border. that's it, the fence over there. and you can see right here in what looks like a shed next to a house, that's where the drug tunnel is. agent martinez: so, apparently, they were coming in through the shed, parking, opening the door, loading up the vehicle, and then pulling the stuff out of the tunnel.
discovered? agent martinez: it was discovered by human intelligence. they pulled a vehicle over and the guy had over 4,000 pounds of contraband in his vehicle, and ended up giving some information up, and they came to the house with a warrant and arrested all the individuals in the house. and we come in here. here is the actual tunnel. so they had a lift gate. they were bringing the narco-traffics and all the stuff they had, all the narcotics. they were bringing it above. they had a lift since they were so heavy. they were just bringing it up, straight up. sharyl: how long was an operation like this going on for them to be able to dig the tunnel and move the drugs? agent martinez: that is unknown, but we believe they probably had it for quite a while. as you can see, it's a very sophisticated tunnel. with those poles under, there's lights, they were using oxygen to go across the border. sharyl: cochise county sheriff mark dannels says the illegal
enterprise operated for months in the middle of a residential neighborhood. sheriff dannels: they had a guard that watched it on this side who was armed when they took him down. but it's a vip tunnel, it's very sophisticated down there. sharyl: what do you mean vip tunnel? sheriff dannels: very important tunnel. the normal person coming across the border to find that better way of life wasn't coming through here. this was your high-quality drugs coming through here -- heroin, methamphetamine. and you hate to think, but i think there's a rally touch to it, whoever could pay a fee, and possibly terrorists coming through here, which scares the heck out of me and should scare everybody when it comes to this tunnel. the opening of this tunnel was only controlled on the mexico side. the folks guarding the tunnel on this side had no control of opening or closing it. sharyl: you mean it was mechanically shut, sealed and opened? sheriff dannels: yep. sharyl: but from mexico? sheriff dannels: correct. the effort and the work and the expense to build a tunnel of this magnitude shows you how desperate they are to get their product through. sharyl: so they're literally digging under where border patrol and you guys may be walking above ground every day? sheriff dannels: you know, as
promote community policing, both the border patrol and us when it comes to getting in our communities, working, gathering that intel, but nobody reported this. agent martinez: we have trained agents and we have become more able to discover and use technology to find them. it has decreased the use of them. so, we have found three in the last year, and seven and six and five in the years previous to that. so we're getting better at it. sharyl: last year, el chapo guzman, the father of all drug tunnels, escaped from a maximum security mexican prison through, what else, but an elaborate tunnel almost a mile long. prison surveillance video shows him making a quick exit. the tunnel was complete with lights, ventilation, and a motorcycle on rails that was likely used to carry out dirt. guzman was recaptured in january. u.s. officials have noted a similarity between the tunnel guzman used to escape and that very first one discovered in douglas, arizona back in 1990.
exactly that -- morocco is in an area of north africa called the maghreb, which has become a hotbed of islamic terrorist activity. there were 15 terrorist attacks in the region in 2011. by 2014, the number leapt to over 1100. but of all those attacks, only one targeted morocco. so how has morocco achieved relative safety compared to its neighbors and what can we learn from it? scott thuman found two people with some answers. scott: morocco is one of the world's top tourist destinations -- known for stunning desert scenes, ancient architecture, and at least one hollywood classic. "casablanca" was set during world war ii, when morocco in the french resistance against hitler. >> round up the usual suspects. scott: but since the attacks on paris and other terrorist assaults, the moroccans are front and center in another resistance -- against islamic extremists.
mohammed benhammou heads the moroccan center for strategic studies. for him, the threat is as clear as the numbers of foreign fighters they track. dr. benhammou: when you have global view on this phenomenon, as we know we have in the region -- 1000 from algeria, 5,200 foreign terrorist fighter from tunisia, and when we move to the north in europe, we have 1,700 from france, 815 from belgium, so we have a very clear idea of the nationality and where these terrorists, from where they are coming. scott: when it comes to fighting terror, some have argued that it's not the u.s., it's not the u.k., but that its morocco that perhaps has the right formula -- the formula for success in fighting terror -- is that true? dr. benhammou: i think that
on casablanca on may 2003, have developed a very good experience. scott: the 2003 casablanca attacks were a wake-up call. 12 islamic extremist suicide bombers killed 33 people. tens of thousands of moroccans responded with marching banners that said "say no to terrorism." within a year, 2000 had been arrested in connection with the attacks. dr. benhammou: we know more about these terrorist groups, the networking, how they greet and look for the founding. the second pillar was to manage the religious spectrum, of course, managing the mosque, that imam role and the mission of the imam must be important that they do now just to pray and to parish
and not to use the mosque for giving political speech or violent speech. scott: why is morocco getting it right? gen. ward: the issue of cultural understanding, i think is something we could certainly take a lesson from. scott: retired general kip ward was the first commander of so-called africa command, africom, in charge of all u.s. africa fromting in 2007 through 2011. it plays a key role in counterterrorism efforts. gen. ward: we certainly spent time with that in africom trying to better understand the environment and, so, we have to do a better job of understanding the cultural and societal implications for our actions where we are, in fact, doing our activities, and that's something that morocco pays attention to. scott: what is it when it comes to fighting terror that you think has allowed morocco to not only prevent more attacks in its own territory, but also thwart attack
gen. ward: i think that's certainly a big key, their intelligence. having eyes and ears, having an understanding of what's going on in neighborhoods, putting the picture together to help better understand what's going on, and i think part of morocco's success is their network of knowledge that they have put together to understand what's going on inside of their country. scott: dr. benhammou stresses that the key to morocco's success is that they make human intelligence, not technology, their first focus and rely on a system of interagency sharing of vital information combined with strict border controls and harsh gun laws. sharyl: so if they are having that kind of success, are they helping others like the united states? scott: with a point to is after couple ofattacks, a moroccan intelligence officials were quickly on a flight to france and they provided intelligence that prevented other attacks in t
sharyl: last month's bombings in brussels rekindled a call in europe and america to tighten borders and, from many republicans, to "close the door to refugees and close it now." but republican congressman steven russell, a decorated combat soldier who helped hunt and capture saddam hussein, has stood up to his own party, appealing for america to not turn its back on muslim refugees fleeing syria and iraq. it was four days after the islamic extremist terrorist bombings in paris last november. republican speaker of the house paul ryan called for a halt to the u.s. accepting refugees from syria -- predominantly muslim groups that isis terrorists threatened to infiltrate. speaker ryan: this is a moment where it's better to be safe than sorry, so we think the
prudent thing to do is to take a pause in this particular aspect of this refugee program in order to verify that terrorists are not trying to take advantage of these laws. infiltrate the refugee population. sharyl: according to gallup, 60% of americans approved of stopping the program. >> there was a massive call for immediate cessation of people coming in on visas. sharyl: and, specifically, from syria, right? congressman russell: well, named specifically from syria and iraq. some wanted to extend that to certain religions or whatever. sharyl: republican congressman steve russell is a former army combat soldier who knows something about refugees from the mideast. he did tours in kosovo, afghanistan, and iraq. congressman russell: i've had to see my own soldiers suffer and die. i've had to take human life. i've had to do a lot of things that in defense of my country. i understand defending my country. sharyl: russell insists refugees from syria are no threat to national security.
he says he was so upset by rhetoric from his own party, he took to the house floor the day after ryan's press conference. congressman russell: the statue of liberty cannot have a stiff arm. her arm must continue to keep the torch burning brightly. but if we use our passions, anger, and fear to snuff out her flame by xenophobic and knee-jerk policy, the enemy wins. we have played into their hands. period. sharyl: russell's speech was hours after -- and very much in line with -- this president obama tweet -- "slamming the door on refugees would betray our deepest values, that's not who we are." russell says he's no fan of the president's foreign policy, but -- on refugees, the white house is spot on. congressman russell: i want you to listen carefully to these statements by members of congress in response to a refugee bill. about people fleeing for their lives. fighting immigration is "the best vote-getting argument. th
politician can beat his breast and proclaim his loyalty to america." here's another one. congress must "protect the youth of america from this foreign invasion." these quotes were from 1939. while it was true that germany was a threat, the refugees were not. they were 20,000 children. that congress, with the same speech and rhetoric i am hearing in recent days in this august chamber, mr. speaker, passed hurdle after hurdle to make it more difficult for those refugees to enter. they were unfortunately successful. sharyl: russell felt that if he could verify the security of the refugee program, he could persuade his colleagues to embrace it. he invited congressman stephen lynch, a democrat, to join him on an eye-opening journey. congressman russell: so we took carry-on luggage only. and we hit several countries. we went to kilis, ceylanpiner in turkey, on the syrian border. kilis was shelled the next day, a woman was killed
to the zaatari camp in jordan, syrian border. sharyl: if you could say a couple of top key points that you learned on the trip, what would they be? congressman russell: a lot of people are just not aware of what is being done. and the unhcr, for example, does retinal scans. there's clear identity of these individuals. sharyl: unhcr is the united nations high commissioner for refugees. which helps resettle refugees to countries like the u.s. congressman russell: the other thing we found is that they were not under-documented. they were over-documented. they're coming out of a dictatorship. you know if you don't have your papers you'd be hauled away. so they would have passports. they would have licenses. they would have marriage and birth certificates. sometimes as many as 20 pieces of documentation. so then the real question became, who are they? and who would we be letting here? they literally are some of the most vulnerable people. sharyl: prid
refugees to the u.s. this year. but fbi director james comey testified the federal government has no way to do thorough background checks on them. dir. comey: we can only query against that which we have collected. and so if someone has never made a ripple in the pond in syria in a way that would get their identity or their interest reflected in our database, we can query our database until the cows come home, but we are not going to -- there will be nothing show up because we have no record on that person. sharyl: our homeland security officials and fbi say, we don't know who's here. we haven't been able to track them. so they don't have the faith that maybe some of them are well-checked and most of them are well-meaning, but we know that terrorists are trying to exploit the system to enter the u.s. is there a way to guarantee people don't slip through? congressman russell: timothy mcveigh killed 167 people in my hometown of oklahoma city. leveled a federal building.
should we ban all kansans from oklahoma? i mean you know we, we have to look at this comprehensively. sharyl: people don't know what about the syrian refugees? specifically who needs help and would like to come to the u.s.? congressman russell: don't confuse the narrow hundred, hundreds of syrian war refugees in great need with the larger issue of refugees and immigration. they are not the same. one is a heavily vetted program, that is, in my estimation, probably one of the most secure things that we do on immigration. sharyl: the latest bombings in brussels may distance russell even further from some republicans. sen. cruz: we need to immediately halt the flow of advisedresident's ill plan to bring in tens of thousands of syrian muslim refugees. congressman russell: i'm in a very o
you know, i'm not embraced by, you know, the opposition party, and i'm not embraced necessarily by my own party. but that's okay. i've been defending the constitution since i was 18. i don't need a party to tell me what that is. sharyl: after all the talk, congress has not stopped the refugee program. 768 syrians have come to the u.s. as refugees since november of 2015. russell is working to shape a bill that would tighten security screenings while keeping the refugee pipeline open. and still ahead on "full measure" -- march money madness -- we take a look at the brackets that break down some of the biggest projects that have wasted your tax dollars.
sharyl: two teams are preparing to battle it out for the college basketball championship title. another tournament just wrapped up and crowned its overall champion. it's the inaugural "tournament of government waste" created by republican senator rand paul. he invited taxpayers to vote online for the winners in these dubious match ups. we "follow the money" to see how the contenders stack up. it's a bracket of government waste. a collection of the sweet 16 in what senator rand paul calls the best examples of your tax dollars being used in egregious ways. competing in "the tournament of government waste" -- a program sponsored by the national science foundation that provided $853,000 to washington state community colleges to fund winemaking programs.
also chasing the title -- "free" yoga classes offered to bureaucrats at a variety of federal agencies. calling these classes "free" might be a stretch. paul says its cost taxpayers over $150,000 since 2013. advancing to the elite eight, the federal emergency management agency. it's supposed to help americans recover from disasters. but paul called a double play after learning fema has spent more than $50 million in disaster payments for damage already paid by insurance companies. voters deemed the final four bracket busters some of the biggest boondoggles within the federal government. including a state department program that sent children from pakistan to u.s. space camp at a taxpayer cost of $250,000. a housing and urban development program that subsidizes public housing made it all the way to the final round. it was a technical foul that brought this program into the tournament. according p
live in taxpayer subsidized public housing at an annual cost of $104 million to taxpayers. and walking away with the title champion of government waste, a program that helped illegal immigrants who've been deported from the u.s. start up businesses in their home countries. the program is administered by a non-profit organization funded through a $50,000 grant from a taxpayer-backed independent government agency. senator paul chairs a subcommittee on federal spending oversight. on the next "full measure -- why are with u.s. troops in estonia, on russia's border, to see first-hand the buildup of equipment and troops. donald trump has said we should get rid of the obsolete force. it is an escalation of force is not seen since the cold war to counter what some might describe as a red storm
russian president putin that story, on the next "full measure." finally, we want to recognize a generation of veterans who fought in another war. earlier this week was the unofficial recognition of vietnam veterans day. it marks the final withdrawal of combat troops from south vietnam in 1973. a proposal to officially designate march 29 to commemorate our vietnam vets, was introduced in 2011 and has yet to get through congress. many feel official recognition is long overdue for the troops who returned without welcome or recognition. for years, "welcome home" has been an expression used by vietnam veterans to one another. welcome home to all our veterans.
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