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>> announcer: starting right now on "this week with george stephanopoulos" -- [ chanting ] first week firestorm. protests around the country after trump limits entry to the u.s. [ chanting ] president trump not backing down. >> we're totally prepared. it's working out very nicely. we'll have i very, very strict ban and we'll have extreme vetting. >> announcer: federal courts intervening overnight. >> we believe this executive order is clearly unlawful. >> announcer: will trump's order survive? we have all the breaking details. plus -- >> the american people will not pay for the wall. >> announcer: after a wild week one, we cover it all and go straight to the new power
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brokers. tough questions ahead for white house press secretary sean spicer. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, iraq veteran congressman seth moulton and former defense secretary for two presidents, bob gates. from abc news it's "this week," here now co-anchor martha raddatz. >> good morning. a whirlwind week for our new president. 18 executive actions, three tv interviews, three speeches. a joint news conference, a blizzard of activity and controversy. over the wall and who will pay for it. those unfounded allegations of voter fraud and then friday it got real with an executive order that had immediate and profound impact. >> i'm establishing new vetting measures to keep radical islamic terrorists out of the united states of america.
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>> no surprise for anyone following the election. trump has been promising this extreme vetting for more than a year. but still, it came as a shock. a 90-day ban on travelers from seven countries, syria, iran, iraq, somalia, yemen, sudan and libya. even green card holders who thought they were free to come and go caught in the chaos. all refugees also banned for 120 days. the result, hundreds of people detained or turned away. many thousands in a state of high anxiety like 29-year-old syrian dr. mohamed mustafa here legally since 2013. saturday morning his wife was returning to dulles airport where she was immediately turned away and put back on a flight to the middle east. >> they told her while she was on the plane that her visa would be canceled and she was like
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the air -- and then when she came down and the officers started to talk to her in a rude way, it was like this is not your visa. this is america's visa. and we will take it away from you. >> with stories like that spreading like wildfire on social media, protesters descended on airports around te nation. new york, chicago, san francisco, in the oval office saturday, after a round of phone calls to foreign leaders, trump defended his action. >> not a muslim ban but we were totally prepared. it's working out very nicely. we'll have a very, very strict ban and we will have extreme vetting which we should have had in this country for many years. >> let's bring in david kerley at dulles international airport. david, you heard the president say the government was totally prepared. is that the impression you're getting out there. >> reporter: the short ans
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sources are telling abc news that the agency charged with carrying out these executive orders were not fully briefed. in fact, a lot of homeland security officers were basically making decisions on the fly yesterday as individuals were coming into the united states. there were families, protesters, a small army of immigration lawyers, it was quite the scene here at dulles and airports around the country. in seattle police actually dispersed some crowds with pepper spray. it was a day of high drama at those airports. cheers broke out at jfk airport when a federal judge in brooklyn ordered a nationwide order protecting anyone on a plane coming into the country at an airport from actually being immediately deported, kicked out of the country and here in virginia another judge issued a seven-day ban on the government removing green card holders who have been detained here at dulles international. and airlines were at a loss as to what exactly to do.
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association, the international association of airlines put out a statement so airlines had to make decisions how they were going to handle the hundreds of people who were detained or told they could not come into the country. martha. >> thanks, david. let's take this to terry moran who covers the supreme court for abc. david mentioned those stays issued on the executive order. what does that mean? >> reporter: well, it's a time-out, martha. right now the courts, three courts have said, three judges have said, that the people who are appealing for relief from this executive order, people trying to get into this country who have been stopped, they've got a good enough case to take a close look at. doesn't mean they'll win but the judges say if they don't take the case and turned around they'll suffer irreparable harm. now they take a hard look at the law and the law, much of it is on president trump's side. the constitution, many laws of congress, many precedents of the supreme court all give sweeping powers to any president to decide who does or doesn
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to come into our country. now, congress has passed a couple of laws saying you can't discriminate against people on the basis of national origin. but they've also passed a law saying any time a president determines that a group of people is detrimental to the interests of the united states, he or she, any president can suspend their permission to let those people into the country so the bottom line here is while president trump is testing the limbs of presidential power, when the cases are close, the tie almost always goes to the president. >> but, terry, no major terror attacks have been carried out on u.s. soil by people from any of those countries, those seven countries. so, why is that a national security risk? >> reporter: well, that's an argument and it may be a very good political argument, good argument to have with some of your guests today but judges sit in courthouses and they defer all the time, they let the president decide matters of national security. they say we don't get the
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generals. we don't have dims all over the world and so you do. unless you've done something really outrageous courts will generally let the president decide what is in the national security interests of the united states. now, that said, president trump is testing the waters here. one, he has a religious qualification there, he says that members of religious minorities in these countries will get special treatment and he's gone on television and said that means christian. that's probably unconstitution under the establishment clause of the first amendment. you can't choose based on what religion they are how you'll enforce the law against them and then many people who have already established lawful, permanent residence in the united states, the united states government has given them the permission to be in this country, they may get caught up in this law and the courts may not like this executive order stripping those people who are already lawful permanent residents of the united states of their rights. >> thanks very much, terry. so, let's turn
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white house press secretary sean spicer. good morning, sean. i know there are many people who support this, but you heard those strong reactions, those stories of people stranded at airports, detained. jesuit priests. veterans calling this un-american. >> the facts of what happened, 325,000 people from foreign countries that travel into the united states yesterday. there were 109 people that this actually addressed that it come in post-entry from seven countries that we've identified, in fact, actually the obama administration identified -- obama administration had previously identified needed further travel restrictions. we've gone in as terry pointed out, it's a 90-day ban to ensure that we have further vetting restrictions so that we know who is coming to this country. the safety of the american citizens, the safety of our country has got to be paramount. that's what the president did yesterday to ensure that the people that we're letting into our country are coming here with peaceful purposes. and not to do us harm. so this really comes down
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people who are all being processed through the system to make sure that when they've gone out of the country, gone somewhere that is one of those seven countries and coming back that they've done so and not tried to go there and do anything that would cause our nation harm. >> 109 people, probably muslims, what message does this send to muslims worldwide. >> what it sends we'll protect our country an people. there are other countries with muslim populations that are not part of this. and i think that's an important thing to note. whether you're talking about al jeer ya, jordan, kuwait or the uae, there's muslim majority countries not in this seven. these seven were identified by the obama administration needing further -- >> what about the countries like pakistan, like afghanistan, where there have been terrorist cells, saudi arabia on 9/11. >> we're looking at all of this holistically. >> why these first where there haven't been -- >> i said it
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think these were the obama administration put these first and foremost and said these countries need to have further travel restrictions based on the intelligence we have. so those were identified by the previous administration. there were further travel restrictions already in place from those seven countries. what the president did was take the first step through this executive order of insuring that we're looking at the entire system of who is coming in, refugees that are coming in, people who are coming in from places that have a history or our intelligence suggests we need to have further extreme vetting for. >> let's talk about iraq. you saw that an iraqi interpreter for america was detained temporarily. i have been in iraq with those interpreters. they have saved lives of american solders and now you're saying you can't come in. >> no, we're not saying that at all. woe don't want to let someone slip through the cracks that seeks to do our country harm. that's it. the person processed in, i know in some cases there will be a bi o
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>> is there any humiliation. >> no, there's 109 slowed down. over 300,000 foreign visitors came in. what do we say to the family who loses someone to a terrorist to whether atlanta, san bernardino or the boston bomber, those people each of whom had gone out to a country and come back, granted not -- >> none of those are countries on this list. >> we took the first step in insuring that a terrorist attack won't continue in this country. what do we say to the family or to the individl who gets hurt or the family of someone who gets killed because we didn't take these steps? protecting this nation and our people is the number one priority of this president and our government. >> and you want to protect them against isis. right now -- >> we want to protect them against everything. >> americans are fighting side by side with the iraqis. have you had any reaction or any indication that the iraqis will now say, americans can't come in here either. >> we are working through all the diplomatic channels
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friends and allies around the globe understand that our position is to protect our borders and to make sure -- again, this is about slowing the process down. those 109 people are being processed through the system to make sure that the vetting 5 is 34r5 plied that they didn't do anything nefarious overseas. we shouldn't let them re-enter the country who are not citizens because they have gone to a place we have concerns about. they should be asked certain questions and go through ex-2r50e78 vetting to make sure when they re-enter they continue to do so with peaceful purposes. >> how much of a heads-up did you give homeland security. >> you heard david kerley reporting -- that people -- >> what we couldn't do is telegraph our position ahead of time to ensure that people flooded in before that happened, before it went into place so the appropriate leadership was notified and cables were being sent out through the state department as we speak. the issue was, i know that when you get down to the tsa level
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border officials who are on the front lines, we had to do it in a way that ensured the safety of america was preserved. if we had telegraphed that ahead of time that would have been a massive security problem. so what we did is made sure we coordinated with the appropriate leadership so department and agencies both homeland security, border and customs protection. >> the executive order stipulates that after the refugee program is reinstated in 120 days the government will prioritize religious minorities persecuted in their country. how will you determine what religion people are? how do you vet them. >> during this 10-day period we'll put a system in place that looks country by country, group by group and make sure we put appropriate vetting in place. again -- >> a religious test. >> no, what we'll do is make sure people who have been persecuted for either religious or other reasons have an opportunity to apply and go through a vetting system that ensures they're coming to this country to seek asylum, to seek a new life for thems
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fair family but to do so with peaceful purposes. >> okay, president trump said during an interview on the christian broadcasting network that persecuted christian refugees should be seen as a priority. why -- >> in some countries they should. >> why are christian refugees -- let me finish. why are christian refugees more worthy of admission to the united states than muslims or even jewish refugees. >> it's a question of making sure that in many so of these countries they are the persecuted group and so it's just -- it's a fact that when they live in a majority country of another religion they are a minority being persecuted not able to practice their religion in some cases under threat and so it's just a fact that they are being persecuted in some of these countries and we need to make sure we recognize them so they can come to this country and be able to practice their religion in accordance with our laws and constitution. >> if you feel the threat is so great from these countries and so great from these refugees, why just 90 days? why just 120 days?
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>> i think we can. that's the point to make sure we put the safety of our nation first and foremost and that we put a plan together during that period to put those extreme vetting measures in place. look, this is nothing new. president trump talked about this pollute the campaign and the transition and he's doing exactly what he told the american people he was going to do. it's interesting, the criticism that's coming is from someone who has gotten into office hit the ground running had a flurry of activity to do exactly what he said he was going to do. whether it was bringing back jobs, fighting for american taxpayers and cutting the cost and waste out of government programs. or doing what he said overseas in protecting this nation but he is not going to apologize for putting the safety of this country first and foremost. >> i want to turn to yemen. president trump as president, as commander in chief suffered the first loss of an american service member in yemen today in a raid on al qaeda operatives and three service members were injured in that
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another when we lost an aircraft in a hard landing. what can you tell us about that raid and who did they get. >> they got 14 individuals. they killed 14 individuals and captured a whole host of information about future plots that's going to benefit this country and keep us safe. we mourn for the loss of life of the service member who so bravely fought for this country and was killed. and then obviously three others were injured in the raid. another one when the aircraft went down, that aircraft -- >> was that shot. >> that aircraft was destroyed in a hard landing or it was -- >> there was a hard landing that destroyed it. >> we destroyed that plane to ensure that we didn't allow any of our technology out there. but it is -- >> will he go to dover? >> it continues -- >> will he go to dover. >> i'm not going to get ahead. this is obviously developing right now as we speak. the president was informed throughout the evening of the situation. he extends his condolences but more importantly he understands the fight that our servicemen and women conduct on a daily basis to keep thi
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and that's why this order is so important. people are over throughout the world in some of these born regions like yemen and countries rather to ensure the safety of this country. and we need to take steps that if they're going to put their lives on the line, every day to fight isis, to fight other people who are seeking to do us harm to capture information that will protect future plots that we do our part to make sure that we're not having an open door to allow people right -- to march right into our country. >> let me turn to russia. >> that ties right into that because we've got to do our part here to make sure that while they fight, so gallantly overseas we're protecting the country and our borders. >> i want to turn to the russian sanctions. president trump talked to vladimir putin about mutual cooperation in defeating isis and working together that achieve more peace throughout the world including syria. kellyanne conway opened the door friday to removing sanctions against russia and the readout from the kremlin said they underlined the importance of restoring
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trade and economic connections. could president trump agree to remove those sanctions without consequences. >> yesterday was the first call that they had. we're continuing to work with them to combat isis especially in syria and deal with this crisis in aleppo. there's an area in which we've got to work with them if we'll defeat isis and that's the first step. we have not made any decisions on sanctions. the president will continue to have conversations and our team will continue to liase and no decisions were made. >> john mccain said for the sake of america's national security and that of our allies, president trump should put an end to this speculation about lifting sanctions. are you not willing to do that. >> the president isn't taking anything off the table. he is a world class negotiator. part of the reason he's so successful and part of the reason why he was elected president people understand not only is a successful businessman but an amazing negotiator. he doesn't come in telling people what he'll take in
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possible for this country. he's going to work with russia or any other country for that matter in areas of shared agreement and if protecting this country going back to what we've been talking about so far he's going to work with them. if we can come up with a plan or partner with them in any way to defeat isis, then we'll do it. >> i want to turn to the national security council. the national security council executive order that is now put in place removes the director of national intelligence, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff from the nsc principals meeting. now only invited when, quote, issues retaping to their responsibilities and expertise are to be discussed but allowed instead in all of the meetings white house chief strategist steve bannon. former national security adviser susan rice tweeting this morning, this is stone cold crazy. after a week of crazy. who needs military advice or intell to make policy on isil, syria, afghanistan, dprk adding chairman of joint
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as after-thoughts in cab let level principals meeting and where is the cia? cut out of everything and retweeted this. trump loves and trusts the military so much he just kicked them out of the national security council and put in a nazi in their place. >> that's clearly inappropriate language from a former ambassador. look -- >> stone cold crazy. >> the comments that she made, look, the reality is that general flynn former head of defense intelligence agency brought significant reforms to the nsc and homeland security council headed by tom bostert. you've got a leader in general flynn who understands the intelligence process and the reforms needed. probably better than anybody else and when you talk about the missteps made by the last administration with all due respect i think ambassador rice might want to wait, see how we handle this. so far
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team of folks that have come in to understand the national situation -- our intelligence systems and how to modernize. >> streamlined without the chairman, without the dni. >> we have an unbelievable group of folks that are part of the nsc that are making decisions to get that. the president gets plenty of information from the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and gets briefed and what they've done is modernize the national security council so it's less bureaucratic and more focused on providing the president with the intelligence he needs. >> and steve bannon. what does he provide. >> he is a former naval officer with a tremendous understanding of the world and the geopolitical landscape we have now. >> and so he's giving military advice in there. >> it's not giving advice. part of this is analysis. the data comes in and how we synthesize it to make the best decision for our country is not something about just intelligence but the intelligence that comes in and the analysis that comes out of that. having key decision makers and the chief strategist for the united states for the president to come in and talk about what th
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crucial. the data comes in raw and what these key individuals do is help provide guidance or the president to make decisions. having the chief strategist for the president in those meetings who has a significant military background to help make, guide what the president's final analysis will be is crucial. >> thanks very much. >> thank you, martha. >> sean, good to see you. now we turn to washington's other power broker, the man who leads the senate. republican majority leader mitch mcconnell has been working closely with the president at the the white house and at the republican retreat in philadelphia this week. where the gop mapped out its agenda for the year. majority leader mcconnell joins us now. do you support president trump's temporary immigration ban from these predominantly muslim countries. >> i think it's a good idea to tighten the vetting process. but i also think it's important to remember that some of our best sources in the war against radical
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muslims, both in this country and overseas and we have had some difficulty in the past getting interpreters as you suggested in the earlier segment who are helpful to us treated properly. so we need to be careful as we do this. improving vetting, something -- >> yet right now they're being detained so -- do you support this or not support this. >> it's hopefully be decided in the courts whether it's gone too far. i don't what to criticize them for improving vetting. i think we need to be careful. we don't have religious tests in this country. >> in the past you've called the muslim ban completely and totally inconsistent with american values. the president says this is not an outright muslim ban, even if this is temporary, how is this order consistent with american values? >> well, if they're looking to tighten the vetting process, i mean who would be against that? but i am opposed to religious
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tests. the courts are going to determine whether this is too broad. >> so it sounds to me like you are opposed to certain parts of this if we're detaining or holding back people who have helped americans in the fight. >> well, obviously i'm against that. >> a religious test then you're opposed to certain parts. >> the president has a lot of latitude to try to secure the country. and i'm not going to make a blanket criticism of this effort. however, i think it's important to remember as i said, a lot of muslims are best sources in the war against terror. >> do you think this will have blowback in the world? i mean, are you sensing that already justify's seen the reactions. >> well, we'll see and it's important however to emphasize to keep america as secure as possible and see how it plays out. >> just tell me again how you would summarize what happened with this executive order. >> how i would summarize. >> yes, how would you -- what would you say about it?
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devastating. others are saying it's un-american. >> i'm not saying either of those things. i'm saying what i just said a few minutes ago which is to the extent they're trying to improve the vetting process, i think that's in order. we need to bear in mind that we don't have religious tests in this country and we also need to remember that some of our best allies in the war against islamic terrorism are muslims. >> i want to turn to russia. president trump hasn't ruled out the possibility of lifting sanctions on russia. you heard what sean spicer just said. would you like him to see the sanctions lifted. >> i'm opposed to lifting the sanctions against russia. they were imposed because of their annexation of crimea, their incursion into ukraine and now we know they were messing around in our elections. i'm absolutely opposed to lifting sanctions on the russians. if anything we ought to be looking at increasing them. >> should congress take any action to prevent the president from
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chooses to do so. >> we'll wait and see and hope the president won't lift the sanctions on russians. >> i asked sean spicer this. that they should just tell now whether or not they'll lift them. >> you mean the administration. >> yes. >> well, the president is taking a look at it. i'm giving him my advice publicly that i would not consider if i were in his shoes lifting sanctions on the russians for what they've been doing the last few years. >> the move in the national security council to have steve bannon in there, the chairman of the joint chiefs out, the dni out in certain cases. >> yeah, i'm not going to give the president advice about how to run these internal agencies. >> not at all? >> no, i'm not. i'm not going to give him advice. >> okay. on the supreme court president trump says he's announcing the supreme court nominee on thursday. he has said that if democrats try to filibuster he'd encourage you to invoke the so-called nuclear option and lower the 60-vote threshold currently
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need needed. will you consider that. >> let me tell you what ought to happen. president clinton in his first term had two supreme court nomin nominees, ginsburg and breyer. there was no filibuster. no requirement you get 60 votes to consider them. president obama had two supreme court nominees in his first term. there was no filibuster against them. we're in the first term of a new president. what we're hoping is that our democratic friends in the minority in the senate as we were during those same comparable periods under clinton and obama will treat this nominee in the same way and give him an up-or-down vote. if cloture, if getting 60 votes is required that hatched with justice alito, a democratic minority insisted on that, cloture was invoke
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opportunity to have an up-or-down vote on the final nomination. so it's way too early for me to tell you or anybody else what we might do. i think how this is handled depends on our democratic friends. let me tell you what i do think we'll get. a really outstanding nominee who will be very hard to argue against because the president has been working on this for some time. i'm privy to some of the information about what's been happening and i think we're going to get a great nominee who will be very difficult to explain to the american people we're not even going to let them have an up-or-down vote in the senate. >> should there be a litmus test on abortion? >> i don't think there should be a litmus test on judges no matter who the president is. >> okay, thanks very much for joining you leader mcconnell. we appreciate you coming in. coming up what impact will trump's immigration bans have on america's key aligns in the fight against terror? i'll talk to a man who knows these issues well, former defense secretary and cia
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we're back now with congressman seth moulton, democrat from massachusetts. congressman moulton has personal experience with the refugee issue. i met him in 2007 when he was a lieutenant in the u.s. marines preparing to serve his fourth tour in iraq and trying to help his iraqi interpreter seek asylum in the united states after he risked his life
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welcome, congressman moulton. >> thanks, martha. >> you had some pretty strong words for donald trump tweeting your muslim ban is completely at odds with our most fundamental value, freedom, i'm ashamed that you are our president. >> that's absolutely right. it's fundamentally un-american and also making america less safe and that's something that americans need to understand today. is that what trump is doing is harming our national security. it will incite attacks against us. isis is already using this ban as propaganda and it will prevent us from being able to get the allies that are so critical in our war against terror. >> but if he believes there is a threat and he is the president, he is commander in chief, sean spicer just said he believes the threat is real, he's trying to protect people, why not do this? >> because there's nothing in his executive order that improves the vetting process of the he's just putting across a blanket b
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against us and i know personally how important it is to be able to rely on these allies overseas. i know how isis can use our words against us and what trump is doing will make the fight against terror more difficult. so, he's not making us more safe at all. look, it's totally reasonable for a president to come in and say we need to have a national security review. what he's doing in the fight against isis, to say how can we better attack terrorists in the middle east, that's fine. that's reasonable. but what he's doing with this muslim ban just, just is so wrong and un-american you see why so many americans across the country are rising up against it. >> they will tell you again and again it is not a muslim ban. >> let's be honest. i mean i think rudy giuliani was just on tv saying trump called him and asked how do i do a legal muslim ban? so there's no question what's going on here. we're not stupid. we see what trump is up to. >> i want to know what you would say
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general kelly about this who certainly relied on interpreters in iraq, as well. >> you know, i worked for general mattis. i know him. there is no way in hell he is supportive of this. he relied on translator for his life just like i did. he understands what it means to put your life in the hands of an iraqi or an afghan and he also knows that implicit in that is that they put their lives in our hands, as well and now we're abandoning them. so, what's frightening about this situation is it shows that people like general mattis and general kelly clearly don't have a voice in the trump administration. that trump is just doing things for political gain, not in the best interests of our national security. >> okay, thanks very much. congressman moulton, i i will add that general mattis seemed to have a voice on torture. let's bring in the former defense secretary as well as cia director robert gates served under eight presidents from both political parties and is author of "a passion
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out now in paperback. welcome, secretary gates. you're a prolific writer these days. i want to get your reaction to the immigrant ban especially for iraqis. >> well, i think first of all, that any effort to strengthen national security to improve the vetting process, i think that's all perfectly reasonable and totally legitimate, in fact, we would expect that of the president. i think the key is doing it in a way that doesn't risk creating more enemies than threats it deters and that's the balance that has to be weighed. >> do you think this executive order will create more enemies. >> i haven't read the executive order and to be honest, immigration policy and refugees was not in my bailiwick but i will say that at a minimum, the way it has rolled out and the
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contributed to -- >> you know what's happening. they're banning people from these seven countries including iran and iraq so is this the right way to vet. >> well, i would just pick up on one of the things that was just said, i know that former senior commanders in iraq and afghanistan are very concerned about this order and what -- the impact it will have on those that helped us in iraq and afghanistan, the interpreters, translators and so on who were promised safe haven in the united states and now may not get it. i spoke as recently as last night with general petraeus and he and others like general corelli are concerned. one thing the administration ought to do is clarify this as quickly as possible. >> will this make rex tillerson's job harder? the man you recommended to be secretary of state. >> probably, probably, because i th
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reaction among -- in many countries. >> i want to talk about this week in general. in an op-ed piece also fall you called candidate donald trump willfully ignorant, beyond repair, stubbornly uninformed and temperamentally unsuited. you spoke out against candidate trump during the campaign because you took issue with some of the statements made during the campaign about national security but in his first week as president he repeated some of those comments and followed through with campaign promises, reiterating his support for torture, drafting memorandums like this one to ban several muslim that majority countries, building a wall, insisting mexico pay. after what you've seen this week, do you have concerns again. >> well, my view is that it is very important for us now that mr. trump is president for us to be successful. for him to be successful in national security policy, it's one of the reasons that i
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introduced general kelly to the homeland security committee for his nomination, same way with rex tillerson. and i believe that people like general mattis and rex tillerson and john kelly will bring to the president extraordinarily good advice and in a very realistic appreciation of the world and i give the president credit for being willing to appoint strong independent-minded individuals to advise him on these matters. >> so do you have absolute confidence in him as president and commander in chief? >> it's one week in. i think that's a little early. >> it's a big week. a lot of executive orders -- >> i think we need a little perspective, martha. i mean, every administration i worked for begins with a flurry of executive orders overturning what their predecessors did or amplifying it in the case of the first president bush, so, so let's just give him a little time but i do worry
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impact of this executive order in terms of the way it's received around the world. >> and on that in his inaugural address president trump said it's going to be america first. do our allies that as america retreating from a leadership role and does that create a vacuum? >> my worry is that i think the way in which we withdrew from iraq and afghanistan, first of all, that was always going to be complicated to avoid sending the message we were withdrawing more broadly from leadership around the world. i think a lot of the steps that we're taking in the last couple of years or so of the obama administration created the impression of u.s. pulling back. i would say that the actions and the rhetoric of the new president simply continue that drumbeat of giving the impression around the world that the united states is pulling back. this creates whether we want it or not a vacuum and that vacuum will not be filled by
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forces. >> i want to very quickly if you will, 2007 commencement at the naval academy. the president is an important guarantor of our freedom. the press is not the enemy and to treat it as such is self-defeating. your reaction to what president trump and stephen bannon are saying. >> i worked for eight presidents, every one of them thought that the press was their adversary. whether -- it doesn't matter which one of them, a republican or a democrat, they all felt that the press was out to get them in one way or another. different presidents have dealt with it in different ways. but it's just a fact of life when you're sitting in the white house and the press' role is to be an adversary in many respects so, you know, i think that's the proper role for the press and, frankly, i told senior commanders that the department of defense if there is a newspaper story that's critical of something you're doing, first of all, find out whether
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true and if it is true, then fix it and if it's not true then have the facts to push back. >> okay, and very quickly, one more, steve bannon in the national security council meetings and the chairman -- >> adding people to the national security council never really bothers me, my biggest concern is there are actually under the law only two statutory advisers to the national security council and that's the director of central intelligence or the dni and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. i think pushing them out of the national security council meetings except when their specific issues are at stake is a big mistake. i think that they both bring a perspective and judgment and experience to bear that every president whether they like it or not finds useful. >> thanks very much for joining us once again, great to see you. hope you come back. >> thank you. up next the powerhouse political team on trump's wild week in office.
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let's bring in the "powerhouse roundtable." republican pollster and abc news contributor kristen soltis-anderson, abc news contributor and senior espn writer lz granderson and "washington post" chief correspondent dan balz, good morning to all of you. what a week, dan. it was supersonic as far as i was concerned but did all come to a head on friday with that executive order. there's been outrage over there but this is what he promised. >> you know, the first week of his presidency is a logical extension of the campaign he ran. i mean, he is governs the way he said he would who he ran for president for people who are his supporters i think they are thrilled with what he's been able to do in the first week or what he has set in motion for people who didn't support him, i think they're deeply alarmed by what they see. both in terms of some of the policy changes that's impleme implementing but a
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of the way he's handling himself with some of the distracts he's created. look, one week is only one week. we don't know what the outcome of all of this is going to be but he has set in motion dramatic changes and now the rest of the country is going to have to react to that. >> and, lz, i want your reaction to friday and the whole week, a good week for donald trump? >> a good week for donald trump and his supporters as you were saying, a bad week or basically everyone else. i went back to listen to some of the campaign speeches he gave during 2016 and one thing that kind of reoccurred over and over ago. let them protest. they'll eventually go home and last night had conversations with a republican senator who disapproves of this ban. and one of the first things he said to me that was so striking was that, you know, it's going to exhausting opposing trump so this seems to be part of what he wants to be and how he wants to govern. let your critics get exhausted. the question is whether or not the american people will stop protesting. >> kristen, one o t
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he said he believes in it. he said he thinks it works. he said he's talked to people who say it works. and yet he said he'll cede control basically to secretary mattis, the new defense secretary. >> so think about the way they ran his campaign all the things that he promised, one of them was he'll bring in the best people and listen to them and i think that's a piece of in that he has surrounded himself with a cabinet wherein many places with folks like general mattis who understands -- he doesn't necessarily know everything about defense policy or foreign policy and wants to defer some of that to people that he trusts. but this is right in line with what he said he would do. that his brand with most american voters is that he is somebody who can competently run a big organization. he's trying to move into this role as ceo of america and so i think the idea of delegating -- >> should he be moving this fast? >> i think that it certainly is right in line with exactly what he said he
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again, in corporate america you want to make a change you can do things quickly. the wheels of government move more slowly that's why you're seeing a lot of this friction when donald trump is doing stuff that seems bold and is really upsetting theale cart that it's changing the way that we're used to things being done. >> part of the reason why things typically move slowly there are checks and balances and as we've seen he skipped a lot of checks and balances, didn't even talk to the department of health about what this obamacare decision would mean to the people. >> there are a lot of folks who are about to become big fans of things like executive restraint, making sure we don't put tons of power in the hands of the white house which constitutional conservatives believed for a long while. >> what do you think we'll see on the hill? >> there will be resistance to a lot of what he's doing. he can't govern for four years by executive order or executive action. i mean what he did yesterday in terms of asking for a plan to defeat isis is simply that, is asking for a plan. it is not a
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he suggested this is the plan that will defeat isis, it is a step in the process. the ban he has put in place on immigration has real impact and we are seeing what that impact is and there are unintended consequences of it and they'll have to deal with that. i think the hill will push back on a number of these things. >> let's look at the world view here. one of the things he did announce this week is he's going to build that wall. mexico seems none too pleased with that idea and basically insisted they are not paying for it. does this hurt him at all? >> well, it certainly has created a rift with mexico when there was no need to create one right out of the box. and i think that the white house understood that. which is why there was that hastily arranged telephone call between the mexican president and donald trump so it wouldn't get out of hand immediately but it was a sign of the way he's in
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we know he is. he's a negotiator. he's a deal maker but he's never done it in the context of diplomacy and national security. >> lz, amid all these executive orders was to look into what he calls voter fraud. unsubstance yachted claims about voter fraud. >> it's just one more attempt to try to attack the legitimacy of president obama's legacy. we know he was elected based upon this coalition and he's long said most of those people that voted for you aren't legal and now suggesting part of the reason he lost the popular vote this concept of made up voter fraud delegitimating other people's presidency to make himself feel bert. one other aspect to his executive orders that is important to bring up. other nations that weren't on the list were nations he has business ties to. and this is part of the reason why we've been harping on the conflict of interest issue with this president because we also need to know as the american people, yes, it is important to keep us safe but it's t
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why saudi arabia is not on the list because of your business ties or because you honestly believe they don't pose a threat. >> you heard sean spicer say it was because those countries were flagged by the obama administration as well. >> yeah, but we also heard that the reason why he wants this ban is because of the potential terrorist threat. well, we know most of the men that attacked this country on 9/11 came from saudi arabia so it seems a bit inconsistent to suggest that you're following the obama administration here but your own logic you're not following through with. >> one thing they need to be careful with on these issues whether making sure american elections have integrity or making sure we're preventing people from coming to this country that mean to do us harm, most americans broadly agree with. the devil is in the details where can you go from an 80% support issue to 40% or below so i think when it comes to something like, for instance, the voter fraud question, you have a lot of folks that believe we need to make sure every vote cast in america is one that should be cast. but when you start saying things like
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open up yourself to a fight that's unnecessary and start turning away people at the airports and create human stories you open yourself up for criticism where you could have sigma majority support of the idea of what you're trying to do. >> thanks to all of you. we'll be right back.
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