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sharyl: what are your reflections so far on the media's treatment of donald trump under his presidency? frank senso: this is a different ballgame. we've always had an aggressive press, we've always had a political press, we've always had a snarky white house press. this is different. he's declared war on the press. pres. trump: we are fighting the fake news. sharyl: yet there seems little doubt that the media is breaking away from its traditional role when it comes to president trump. brian stelter: i get a ton of emails. sharyl: it seems like there has been an unprecedented blurring -- an accepted blurring of the lines between reporters who report the facts and those who then editorialize. howie kurtz: president trump has been obliterated because it is deemed acceptable in many quarters to say negative things about this president, to say sn
word. scott thuman: le pen and macron are just the latest presidential candidates who not only are competing against each other, they are also competing against the rising threat of election tampering. are you amazed at what you see every day? the threat? how big it gets? gerome billois: yeah. the threat is growing, that is for sure. scott: what france doesn't want is what continues to plague the trump administration -- investigations and questions over influence. is this election in jeopardy of being altered and influenced by the russians? yves bigot: they will probably try, as they maybe did in america, they maybe did in the u.k. with the brexit thing. ♪ [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] ♪
sharyl: welcome to "full measure." i'm sharyl attkisson. with president donald trump finishing his first 100 days in office, you might think we'd be doing a story examining his presidency to date. but let's face it, everybody else is doing that. in our mission to make sure we bring you original news, we decided to examine a related phenomenon -- the first 100 days of the media under president trump. for the media who insisted trump would never be the republican nominee and would never ever be president, how are they covering him now that he is? frank sesno: there was no honeymoon period in this administration. president trump: am i doing a good job, right? sharyl: much like his campaign, donald trump continues to navigate uncharted waters as president. president trump: no administration has accomplished more in the first 90 days. david gergen: i actually think this may be the worst 100 days we've ever seen for a president. sharyl: taking it on the chin
and conservative alike. charlie sykes: so far, the only president with worse 100 days was william henry harrison who didn't last past 30 days. sharyl: together with the media establishment, it seems nearly all were equally committed to criticizing president trump's every step, syllable, and tweet from day one. frank: i think that the first 100 days, which should have been, if not a honeymoon, at least, a time when we can go out and have dinner nicely together, were not that. sharyl: frank sesno is director of the school of media and public affairs at the george washington university. frank: donald trump doesn't go to the white house correspondents' dinner. donald trump goes out and continues to call reporters horrible people, refers to the media or some of the media as enemies of the people. i've never seen another president do that. sharyl: what are the general differences you see in the press coverage between donald trump versus what you saw with president obama? howie kurtz: well, president obama famously got a very easy ride
personal criticism that this president gets just about every day. sharyl: fox news media critic howie kurtz says in president trump's first 100 days, much of the press has continued in campaign mode. mocking, attacking, and sorely mistaken. matt lauer: in no part of your mind or brain can you imagine donald trump standing up one day and delivering a state of the union address? president obama: well, i can imagine it in a saturday night skit. sharyl: how has the media coverage changed since president trump has been elected? howie: given that the media were so spectacularly wrong about donald trump during the campaign, i thought we would see a little bit of a course correction. sharyl: consider some the worst media campaign projections as compiled by one website. >> i think this is the beginning of the end for donald trump. >> really the beginning of the end for donald trump. >> i will eat my right hand if donald trump is the republican nominee.
transition and after the president took office, there was virtually no honeymoon, which is traditional, the negative tone has kept up. sharyl: in a general sense, the media really missed the mark during the campaign. what has the media done, if anything, to self-correct, that you've seen? frank: well, they haven't done enough to self-correct in my view. what was missed in the campaign was ear to the ground, gumshoe reporting, to hear what people are experiencing and feeling. sharyl: the "100 days" measure of american presidents can be traced to franklin roosevelt's election during the great depression. >> in the 100 days of action, march 9 to june 16, 1933, 16 major issues were addressed. president roosevelt: i pledge myself to a new deal for the american people. sharyl: according to gallup, which measures honeymoons by above-average public approval, eisenhower enjoyed the longest one among modern presidents, 4
kennedy was next with 32 months. ford's and clinton's honeymoon didn't even last one month. and obama's was about six months. president obama: you can expect an unrelenting, unyielding effort from this administration in the second hundred days and the third hundred days and all the days after that. sharyl: as a correspondent for cnn, sesno covered the white house under reagan and george h.w. bush. what are your reflections so far on the media's treatment of donald trump under his presidency? frank: this is a different ballgame. we've always had an aggressive press, we've always had a political press, we've always had a snarky white house press. but this is different. i think it's different because donald trump has singled out the press and their treatment. he's declared war on the press. president trump: and i want you all to know that we are fighting the fake news. it's fake. phony. fake. frank: and this is where i think probably president trump made a mistake.
the media do still matter. millions, in fact, billions of people around the world do still read mainstream media. sharyl: yet there seems little doubt that the media is breaking away from its traditional role when it comes to president trump. brian stelter: i get a ton of emails from viewers right now asking us to hold this new president accountable, hoping that cnn and other outlets like it will stand up to this president. frank: the political filter has never been as thick and obscuring as it is now. sharyl: what do you mean by that? frank: we have more politics in our coverage. we have more ideology in our media. this is where the media are going to have to make a stand, and you know, the "washington post," "democracy dies in darkness," well that's, you know, that sounds like a sequel to a "batman" movie, but it's also both a calling and a flag in the ground. sharyl: it seems like there has been an unprecedented blurring, an accepted blurring of the lines of reporters who report the facts and those who then editorialize very widely on
howie: they're snarky on twitter, they're going on tv and slinging their opinions, and these lines got blurred. president trump has been obliterated because it is deemed acceptable in many quarters to say negative things about this president, to say snarky things, to doubt his word. scott pelley: it has been a busy day for presidential statements divorced from reality. howie: you know, the anchors of a network evening newscast have a special place, people still look to them to be fair arbiters of the news and the language, scott pelley uses while on cbs when he comes out and essentially calls president trump a liar, may win him applause from some in the mainstream media, but it seems to cross a very clear line. sharyl: but kurtz says president trump has also crossed a clear line. howie: when he uses phrases like mainstream media "fake news," "enemy of the american people," that in my view goes a l
president trump: a few days ago, i called the fake news the enemy of the people. and they are. they are the enemy of the people. howie: there certainly is reason for him to be upset with the way that he is covered. he can never seem to catch a break, if he gets a good story it's gone within 24 hours. but enemy of the american people suggests traitorous behavior and i think that goes over the line. sharyl: for all the animosity, could it be that the media and this president are locked in a dysfunctional relationship that's mutually beneficial? frank: some media have strong ideological baggage or principles, depending on your point of view, that they bring. some see a higher calling and need for a different level of journalism. so it just engaged and enervated because the ratings and circulation and clicks are up across the board because donald
that marathon news conference at trump tower, he spent a lot of time media bashing. he refused to call on cnn, he got into it with jim acosta. jim acosta: say categorically that nobody -- president trump: don't be -- no, i'm not going to give you a question. i'm not going to give you a question. you are fake news. jim acosta: no, mr. president elect that's not appropriate -- howie: i think the president actually enjoys this, it's almost therapeutic for him. sharyl: how would you sum up the media's behavior under president trump, the first 100 days? howie: the coverage of the first 100 days seems to me to be negative, sometimes bordering on hostile. unduly personal, certainly fairly pointing out when the president has made mistakes or missteps or misstated the facts. president trump: i turn on tv, open the newspapers, and i see stories of chaos. chaos! yet, it is the exact opposite. howie: but overall, can anybody really argue that donald trump has gotten a fair shake or even the kind of approach that just about every prid
i don't think so. frank: not one president i've seen in the past has loved their media coverage. they all hate it at some level, but they try to coopt it. they try to work around it. they try to work through it. and so, i think here there is a very serious brick wall between the two. no honeymoon. no honeymoon. sharyl: so, we get a sense of the relationship between the president and the press, but how do americans feel about the media? the great political divide carries over to your opinion of the media. a poll by rasmussen reports at the end of february found about half are "very" or "somewhat" angry at the media. about half are not. ahead on "full measure." a political insider tells us how the first 100 days have been inside the white house.
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sharyl: much of the evaluation of a president's first 100 days comes from the media, from the outside looking in. to find out what's been going on from the inside we spoke with boris epshteyn, former senior advisor to the trump campaign and, until recently, special assistant to the president. so you were inside the trump campaign and the administration. is it as chaotic as the media portrays it to be? boris: no, it's not. well, you know, the media has to sell its goods, right? and the media has to push out information nonstop and, of course, it's sexy and it's clickbait to write about chaos in the administration, but it's really not. you know, people are working hard, they're determined, they're resolved, and things are getting done.
at the first 100 days, what would you say is ahead in the next year or couple of years for this president? boris: to people in the states, people outside the beltway, that 100-day mark is arbitrary and what they're looking for is they're looking for a longer time period for the president to show them what he talked about during the campaign is coming true and that's what is ahead. health care will get done, tax reform will get done, the infrastructure in this country, the bridges, the roads, they need to be rebuilt, and that's going to get done under this president. sharyl: what do you think is among the most important things president trump has done so far? boris: i think the moves on trade, i think the making sure americans know that he is going to be protecting the american economy is vital. of course, the action in syria, drawing a line there that president obama tried to draw, but then, you know, he let bashar al assad to do whatever he chose to do in syria and the president stood firm on that. sharyl: for people that're trying to figu
president, would you say he is more conservative, liberal, or none of the above? boris: he's definitely a conservative, he's a republican, but most importantly he's pragmatic. this president is about getting things done for the benefit of the american people. some of the provisions that were talked about during the campaign, on child care for example, are not traditional republican issues, but they're very important to this president and to those around him. sharyl: from what you've seen, would you describe him as more of a hands-on type of manager or someone who delegates a lot? boris: he's very hands-on, but he's hands-on in a pragmatic way and productive way. you know he's not filling out the time sheets for the tennis courts at the white house, like jimmy carter used to do. he's hands-on in managing what needs to be managed, but then trusting those who are around him to do the job they're supposed to do. sharyl: do you feel that president trump is surprised by the level of animus that the media continues to heap upon him? boris: it's disappointing, it's disappnt
were on the campaign and in the administration, but for the president, he's all about getting things done for the american people. president trump: go ahead. quiet, quiet. boris: so is he upset at them? not necessarily. would it be nice to be treated fairly? of course it would be. everybody wants that. sharyl: do you think he feels comfortable in the space that he's in now from the times you've been around him? happy isn't necessarily a requirement for this job, but do you feel like he's close to being as gratified as he could be? boris: he is definitely comfortable being president. it's definitely a position that suits him well and it's a job that he's doing with all of his heart and he's giving it all. sharyl: epshteyn recently became chief political analyst and commentator for stations owned by our parent company, sinclair broadcast group. coming up on "full measure." scott thuman reports from france, where the presidential election there faces familiar concerns about possible russian interference.
sharyl: the run-off for france's next president is set. far right leader marine le pen, the populist, will face former socialist emmanuel macron a week from today. two candidates in a fierce competition that could impact not just france, but all of europe. it's the second critical election in a year following the u.s. presidential election, where suspicions of foreign influence -- or hacking -- are circulating. as scott thuman reports from paris, it may not be the last. scott thuman: le pen and macron are just the latest presidential candidates who not only are competing against each other, they are also competing against the rising threat of election tampering. increasingly sophisticated attempts to influence or hack the outcome by outsiders. are you amazed at what you see everyday? the threat? how big it gets? gerome billois: yeah. the threat is growing, that is for sure. we have seen it growing over the last couple of years, but since 2014 i think it really exploded.
scott: gerome billois is a cyber-security specialist who says 30 countries have developed such capabilities, though russia is often at the top of the list. so the warnings have gone out? mr. billois: the risk is real today for the election. you know what happened in the u.s., so we fear that the situation could be the same in france. scott: macron claims he's the victim of a smear campaign targeting his personal life due in part to his pro-european stand. le pen, like trump, is against the eu, and is seen as pro-putin. >> says that vladimir putin aspired to help donald trump win the election. scott: what france doesn't want is what continues to plague the trump administration beyond its first 100 days. investigations and questions over influence. >> the fbi, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.
scott: but the history of hacks goes further back in france. in 1974, during the old soviet days, the kgb worked to propel their preferred candidate. modern times have brought new methods. this is tv5, an international television company in the heart of paris. two years ago, all of their stations worldwide went to black and their social media pages taken over by hackers. yves bigot, the head of tv5, says investigators eventually traced the hack back to russia, possibly as retaliation for past tensions between the two nations, or, perhaps a test, for these elections. scott: is this election in jeopardy of being altered and influenced by the russians? yves bigot: they will probably try as they maybe did in america, they maybe did in the u.k. with the brexit, they will probably try to influence, badly or in a good manner, different candidates that they would prefer to have in power.
scott: if so, who do they want to benefit? yves bigot: well, we know that at least two of the french candidates have a thing for mr. putin. scott: what do you mean, have a "thing" for mr. putin? yves bigot: they kind of like him. they admire him. scott: all media are suspect in france. like the u.s. elections, social media is being used to channel or influence opinions. facebook is trying to make changes based on hard lessons learned in the states. according to a report in the "wall street journal," facebook claims to have vetted more than 30,000 accounts in france before last sunday's primary election. a french election official said the spread of fake news has increased dramatically. >> people don't have any more faith in them, what's happened here? scott: one media attracting attention is the russian influence hiding in plain sight.
rt, or russia today, the channel overtly supported by the kremlin, which recently expanded operations in france. yevgenia albats runs an independent weekly magazine in moscow, we spoke to her last december. yevgenia albats: they, you know, government doesn't have money for healthcare, for education, etc. however, at the last minute, they managed to find 1.2 billion rubles for rt french edition. russia today, rt, is going to create its french version, why? because there are presidential elections in france. and because russian government support right-wing politicians like marine le pen. scott: we know russia today has been expanding its reach here in france, does that concern you? yves bigot: the thing is, everybody tries to influence everybody throughout the world, the russians very strongly,
i guess the chinese do it, i guess the americas do it, i guess us french we do it also, the thing is now, it's become kind of like a sport. sharyl: good way to put it. there are other key euro elections ahead. are there similar concerns of hacking? scott: yes, cheryl. germany has elections in september, they are so concerned about the influence they're threatening to fine any social network up to 50 million euros if they fail to delete hate speech or fake news. sharyl: wow. thanks a lot, scott. next on "full measure." a federal judge dealt a blow to a trump executive order on sanctuary cities. or did he? we follow the money for the real answer ahead.
sharyl: a federal judge in california temporarily blocked the president's executive order as too broad. but the press largely ignored one fact that even the judge's ruling acknowledged. congress does have the power to control spending and it's still moving forward to hold back money, as representative john culberson recently told us. rep. culberson: the u.s. supreme court has ruled repeatedly that the federal government can put reasonable conditions on the receipt of federal money, so it won't do the state of california any good to hire eric holder or any other lawyer. if you want federal money, follow federal law. this is the law of the land enacted by congress for a long time and it's being enforced now by the power of the purse, the most powerful checks and balance the founders could have created. sharyl: culberson is the republican chairman of the
justice funds that stand to be withheld from sanctuary cities. coming up next week on "full measure." a cautionary tale about fake science from one of the most credible voices in the field of medicine. a lot of science presented as fact may not be. most people probably think an article is, in a journal, probably written at a university based on independent study, and that's that. marcia angell: yeah, it used to be that way, as you describe it, pretty simple, and it began to change as the pharmaceutical industry became richer, more powerful, more influential, and began to take over the sponsorship of probably most clinical research now. sharyl: an eye-opening interview with dr. marcia angell, former editor of the "new england journal of medicine." next week on "full measure." that's all for this week. we will see you next time. thanks for watching.
>> today, a real treat for the federal it community. we gathered three ceol1sl0, as the trump administration passes the 100 days in office. thanks for watching a weekend edition of government matters. i'm your host, francis rose. the first 100 days including government blueprint and beginning of reshaping of executive branch. one common theme mentioned in each of announcements is information technology. president trump already promised upgrades for agencies to serve citizens better. karen evans national director of the u.s. cyberchallenge and the