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from the campaign trail. >> when you win, it's beautiful. we're going to start winning for our country. [ applause ] >> after tonight, this has become a three-person race, and we will win the nomination. [ applause ] >> first, donald trump on the results and his battle with pope francis. >> he actually said that maybe i'm not a good christian or something. it's unbelievable. >> we ask trump if he's truly teflon don. then, senator marco rubio on what's next for his campaign. >> the state of south carolina will always be the place of new beginnings and fresh starts. [ applause ] >> we'll ask rubio about his effort become the establishment alternative to trump. plus, hillary clinton and bernie sanders battle in nevada. a sunday poonl where -- panel on where the race stands. and strategist behind bernie sanders' campaign. are you surprised sanders is doing this well.
i am surprised. sunday." hello again from washington. we begin with the results from doubleheader. south carolina, donald trump scored a big victory, winning almost 33% of the vote. it was a close race for second with marco rubio edging out ted cruz. the bottom three were far back with jeb bush suspending his campaign. in the nevada democratic caucuses, hillary clinton narrowly defeated bernie sanders with 53% of the vote. we'll talk with the two republicans who had the best nights, donald trump and marco rubio, in a moment. first, fox team coverage starting with chief political correspondent carl cameron in rockhill, south carolina. carl? >> reporter: thanks, chris. donald trump has now won the first two primaries, new hampshire and last night south
and he is looking to make good on his prediction to "run the table." >> let's have a big win in nevada. let's have a big win >> this has become a three-person race flea market and we will win the nomination. >> reporter: marco rubio grouped second coming back from fifth in new hampshire and narrowly eked out a win, a fraction of a percentage point against ted cruz who came in third. >> if you are a conservative, this is where you belong. we are the only campaign that has beaten and can beat donald trump. >> reporter: jeb bush, despite spending more than any other candidate, took fourth and bowed out. >> i've had an incredible life. for me, public service has been the highlight of that life. no matter what the future holds,
landing if you can imagine -- tonight i'm going to sleep with the best friend i have and the love of my life. >> now, folks, it's down to the final four. we are going to travel all across this country. i'm going to take you with me. >> reporter: john kasich came in fifth, far behind. but because jeb bush dropped out, he's now fourth. ben carson came in last. but kasich and carson have vowed to keep on going. the next three weeks is going to be a frenzy of voting across the country. more than half of the delegates will be selected by -- including march 15th. and on march 15th, there are winner-take-all states for the first time. donald trump will be facing two big states -- ohio, where john kasich is governor, and florida, where marco rubio is the senator. chris? >> carl cameron reporting from south carolina. thanks for that. joining us now from palm beach is donald trump, winner of the south carolina primary. mr. trump, congratulations, and
>> thank you very much, chris. >> with your big win in south carolina, where do you think this race stands now? you have talked about running the table. can you be stopped for the republican nomination, or is this over? >> well, i guess you can always be stopped. i have very good competitors, smart people. you know, governors, senators, very talented people. ben carson, dr. ben carson, who's a tremendous guy and talented guy. i mean, we have a lot of talented people. >> let me ask you, premtalking about this now as a three-man race. let me ask you about your two chief competitors. thumbnail sketches, lightning round rules. ted cruz? >> well, he's very smart, very sharp. you know, i haven't been too happy with the way he's conducted himself. i understand he wants to win, and it's a little bit tough. did a couple of robo calls on me yesterday morning, the morning of the election. they were tough calls.
calls. but they -- they were done. that's why i'm surprised i won by such a big margin. you know, when i entered this, i wasn't expected to win south carolina. i was supposed to, you know, maybe not even think about winning it. that was like a number of months ago. all of a sudden, i made one speech. they fell in love with me, and i fell in love with them. those people are incredible. we won't forget them. >> let's talk about marco rubio and his fitness to be president. >> he's a talented guy. he's a good guy. i like him. we're going to have to see what happens. i start off liking everybody. then all of a sudden, they become mortal enemies. he's been respectful, very nice. i hope to beat him. >> you had quite a week in south carolina. you pot into something of a flap which diminished, but were in a flap for a while with the holy father. i went after george w. bush.
double-digit, you did poorly among swhoerts decided-- did poorly among voters in the last week. i wonder if that hurt you. do you think you need to tonight t down, to act more -- to tone it down, to act more president signal. >> probably i do. i can act as presidential as anybody that's ever been president other than the great abraham lincoln. i thought he was hard to beat. >> when are you going start? >> pretty soon. you know, don't forget, we started off with 17 people. i've opinion hit from 97 different angles. now we're down to i guess five. and we'll see what happens. but i think yeah, i think i'll be very presidential at the appropriate time. right now, i'm fighting for my life. i was fighting against the tremendous amount of very talented, very tough people. and i didn't really have time to think about it. i mean, i had to be tough and smart and had to be sharp. that's okay, too. >> you took some strong positions this last week that you later had to walk back. i'd like to explore a couple of them of the first, you said that
war in iraq and took it back. here it is. >> they lied. they said there were weapons of mass destruction. there were none. >> you would not say again that george w. bush ride? >> i can't tell you. ride is to look at documents. >> and -- i'd have to look at documents. >> and here on the obamacare mandate that all americans should have health insurance. >> here's where i'm different. i don't want people dyeing on ingdying on the streets. i'm the most conservative person in the world on obamacare. >> question, do you support the individual mandate on obamacare or not? >> right. let me explain to you. first of all, i don't want mandates for anything. i want people to get. i don't want people dying in the streets. i was talking over anderson cooper, who i thought it was a great interview and he's a great interviewer. i was talking over him. he was talking at the same time. he mentioned mandate, and i was talking about something else, to be honest. doesn't matter -- >> you said i like the mandate -- >> i like -- i want people to be covered that cannot afford to be
i don't want people dying in the streets. that's not mandate. that's me. that's having a heart. i don't want people dying in the streets. i don't want people to have no health care whatsoever and they're in the middle of the street dying. i talk about it all the time. when i give these speeches where i have 10,000 and 15,000 and 20,000 people and talk as a republican, as a conservative republican, and i talk about that and i say i don't want people dying because they have no money, i get standing ovations. you know, the republicans are not bad people. i get standing ovations. so i think it's very important. i'm not going to have people dying in the street if i'm president. i can tell you that. you can call it whatever you want. >> to the larger point, i mean, whether it was loying or whether it was the mandate -- loying inglying or whether it was the mandate, do you think you have to be more sdmafl. >> well, that -- more careful? >> well, that was a case where anderson, and i don't blame him, but we were talking at the same time.
i was against it at the beginning. joe scarborough can do that because fortunately he found a clip. the fact i said they a successful military operation, maybe it might have been successful as an opening operation, but i was opposed to the war. the war in iraq was a disaster. it may have been the worst decision ever made, ever made in the country. >> respectfully, that wasn't the issue. the issue is whether or not we i don't agree -- >> right now that's for other people to -- i don't say yes or no. i'm not saying yes or no. i'm saying let somebody else determine. i can tell you the war in iraq cost us $2 trillion, thousands of lives. we got absolutely nothing. we have wounded warriors who i love all over the place. we got absolutely nothing out of it, chris. now iran is taking over iraq. we handed it to them on self-er platter. they're going to take on far more than iraq unless i'm president, of course. look, the war in iraq was a disaster. the reason i won by such a large be? that while the pundits including yourself thought i made a
that issue -- and i have nothing against bush. i don't even know the president. i never met him. when i took on bush on that issue, i never felt it was a bad thing to do because people that are smart know that the war in iraq was a disaster. and even jeb bush in the end admit that the war in iraq was not a good thing. >> new question. new subject. when are you going to release your tax sflurns. >> well, we're having them made. they're extremely complicated. it's going to take a while. i don't know if you ever saw the picture i gave, but i gave a picture with about 2.5 feet of tax returns standing in front of me as i was signing. they're having them done. and we'll will do at the appropriate time. >> well, reporters is been asking for months, and you keep saying the appropriate time. you know, i i'm sure -- >> i -- >> you have a ton of lawyers and a ton of accountants. don't voters deserve to get a look at your finances, sir? >> oh, i think so. i've already given my financial statements more than anybody's given -- >> the tax return? >> they turned out to be about
no debt, very little debt. tremendous cash flow. some of the greatest assets in the world which is the thinking that our country needs to get rid of its $19 trillion, et cetera. >> but the tax returns -- >> i've given -- tax returns, at the appropriate time. there's no rush. at the appropriate time. >> to use a business term, are you involved in a hostile takeover of the republican party? >> no. i'm not at all. i get along with the republicans. there's nothing hoss bill it. i was -- hostile about it. i was a republican establishment figure. the day i decided to run, became an outsider. more so than i even thought. people that were totally establishment that loved me, you know, i was a big contributor. i gave $350,000 just before to the republican governor's association. that was a major -- >> what's your view of the gop establishment now, sir? >> i think it's a mess. i think it's a mess. i think they'd better get their act together because they're going to keep losing elections.
with the karl roves and steven hayeses and figures who can't get themselves arrested, if you want to keep people like that, if you want to keep listening to people like that, you're never going to win. you're never going win. they're from a different age. they're from a different world. >> you raised the question again this week of whether or not you're going to honor your pledge, the loyalty pledge that you signed to run as a republican and even if you lose or if you lose, not to launch a third-party campaign. is that a threat that you're going to keep wielding throughout this campaign? >> no because i want -- folks like you, you're bringing it up again as an example. no, the pledge is the pledge. but the other side is not honoring it. look, i signed the pledge. i'm a republican. i'm the leading republican by a lot. and that's where i want to be. i don't want to run as an independent. i'm not going to be doing that. i think it's highly unlikely. i'm not being treated right. when we go to the debates, the room is stacked with donors and special interests. i'm self-funding my campaign,
i'm putting up millions and millions and millions of dollars, like throwing it out the window. so far it's worked. so far i'm also spending a lot less than other people that are spending $100 million. i'm leading by a lot, and they're losing by a lot. i'm self-funding my campaign. i'm not controlled by special interests. i'm not controlled by donors. i'm not controlled by lobbyists, right? so i'm doing that. the rooms are stacked. every time i go to a debate, i walk in, it's like death. and when other people -- i won't mention names, when other people speak, they say something stupid and get standing ovations. doing. they're stacking the room. and that's unfair. with donors and special interests and lobbyists, and that's unfair. >> are we going to see you at the fox debate march 3rd? >> yes, i expect to be there. >> like forward to seeing you. safe travels on the campaign trail, sir. >> thank you very much. up next, we'll speak with
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welcome back. >> thank you. shanks for thanks for having me back. >> you declared flatly last night that you're going to win the nomination. don't you sfrifrt to winfirst have to win a state, and if so, which is the first state you're going win? >> we do, and we're go to find out. we have to win more than one. it's been difficult up to this point because we've had a lot of people in the race. you have donald trump sitting at around 30% or so nationally and sometimes under, sometimes a little over. then you have 70% of the republican electorate does not support donald trump. that 70% has been divided between five to seven people. as this race continues to narrow, i think that will be easier and easier for that 70 foster coalesce. so that's why i feel so good. night. i give a lot of credit to nikki haley and those who came on strong. narrower. i believe it's down to three national campaigns. i feel more and more positive
where i am in tennessee that our chances continue to grow. we will especially as we get into the winter take all sets coming up soon. and we will. >> let's talk about that. jeb bush dropped out last night. are you calling on john kasich and ben carson to also drop out so the party, the rest of the party, 24570% can begin to unite around you? please don't give me the it's up to them answer. would it be good for the party, for the others to drop out and make this a three-man race? >> well, first, i have to give you that answer because i'm no one to tell anyone to drop out. john kasich is out working as hard as i am. long as we have. he has every right to make that decision himself. >> what about the party -- >> that's for him. i believe that the sooner we can coalesce, the better we're going to be as a party in general. i mean, so certainly -- i'm not
there's a natural process that will take hold. i think the questioning is the timing. it's clear that john kasich will focus i think entirely on michigan. at least that's what he's announced. it's his trite do that -- his right to do that. we'll number three states. we finish tonight in nevada after stopping in arkansas, first starting in tennessee. we're going to compete everywhere. we feel good about the coalescing happening in all those places where the other candidates are not. >> all right. you say this is now a three-man race. lightning round rules, i want you to do comparison shopping. why should a voter who's undecided choose you over donald trump? trump? >> i think one of the reasons is we have a sense of optimism about america's future. i'm realistic about our challenges, but i'm very optimist big our future. we need someone that will restore, a campaign that will restore our confidence in who we are as a people and what we're capable of doing. real answers to real problems. rhetoric is not enough. i think donald's campaign has
no doubt we have to recognize how difficult things are. you can't just say you're going to make america great again, you have to explain how. voters deserve to know in great detail exactly how it is that you are going to achieve some of these things that you're saying you're going to achieve with specific public policy. i look forward to having a policy debate if we can make it a policy debate. kweel wants to go. difference. and a fundamental understanding of policy. important for the commander in chief to have understanding of since day one. as weeks go on, maybe he'll learn more about it, and we can debate the issues. >> we understand the case you're making for yourself. what about you versus ted cruz? >> if ted is weak on national security, he's voted repeatedly against budget items, regarding the defense budget, whether it's a defense authorization act or voting for rand paul's budget that slashed defense spending.
i think voters are growing increasingly troubled by the ten tennerten tenner -- tenor of his campaign. you heard supporters in illinois, a member of his campaign saying they're becoming concerned about this and right winging about maybe get -- and are thinking about maybe getting out as a result. it's disturbing. of course, on the record, national security stuff, he's weak on national security issues. i think that hurt him in south carolina and is going to hurt him elsewhere. >> let me talk to you about the second side. things seem to have gotten personal between you and ted cruz, with you accusing him of lying and his campaign of playing dirty tricks, and here's what you said -- i want to put these pictures up side by side. this was the real picture on the left. on the right was the photo-shopped version. it appeared to show you shaking hands with president obama and the idea that you two were together on the trade pact. -- >> picture's fake.
appears it isn't even barack obama either. i think this is now a disturbing pattern, guys. a disturbing pattern. everery day they're making things up. in this case, they literally made up a picture. >> straight out, do you believe that ted cruz has the integrity, the character to be president, or do you think there's something missing there? >> well, i think certainly in this campaign it's missing. i've never seen this behavior from him before up until he started running for president. and in the last couple of weeks -- look, the other night a gentleman fainted at one of might have events. we stopped the event, i stopped and said a prayer for him. it was an hour, the campaign was sending out robo calls in south carolina telling people that i had cut off my event short and had announced that if i didn't win in south carolina i would be dropping out. these are little things, but they add up. they're important. it's very -- this sort of pattern is very, very disturbing. we're all used to rough and tumble and people playing on the edges.
-- in a week he's been rebuked by national right to life on my position on planned parenthood, he's misstated my position on marriage. you know, did robo calls in spanish to english-speaking households in south carolina, trying to i guess offend people against me. it's bizarre. an ongoing pattern. he did robo calls on the confederate flag against donald trump in south carolina. a difficult and painful issue in south carolina that he wanted to reignite. bottom line is you conduct a campaign like that, it's going to reflect on you, it's going to reflect on your campaign. i think ultimately if it continues, it does say some being your ability to govern the country. >> of course, while you are making statements, comparison shopping about the other candidates, making it about you, and one of the knocks is whether or not you are willing to do the hard work of government. and i want to put up statistics that came out this week. there was a report that you missed 60% of the hearings of
committee since you joined the senate, and after nevin,9/11, the house, set up a special committee on security lapses. you skipped almost half the meetings and missed more than 20 votes. the suggestion, senator, is that you're always more interested in the next job than the job that you currently hold. >> well, first of all, about the florida house one, i was -- it was 15 years ago, his majority whip whip. his significant responsibilities out the committee. you can't be in two places at once. the people who wrote that about the senate don't understand the senate. when it comes to the foreign relations committee in the senate, you could have three committees meeting at the same time. you could have an intelligence committee meeting going on at the same time as the foreign relations committee. no one can go to every hearing 100% of the time. it's literally impossible to do it. it's not like you're out playing golf or at the spa. you have something else happening. you could look at the record of it, but for the most part, i can tell you that for us the thing about being in the senate is
hearing because there was another committee that might be having votes. commerce committee or the intelligence committee. you have to be there instead of the other committees. you can't number two places at once. that wouldn't just be true for me. that would be true for virtually anyone in the senate who is in multiple committees. >> finally, you got a big boost and a lot of insiders went to you after you got the endorsement of the popular of south carolina, who endorsed you over jeb bush especially. a lot of observers think that the two of you would make a good ticket for republicans, young members of minorities. statement. not only were you there as a member of minority and nikki haley, also tim scott, an african-american senator. how attractive and appealing is that to present a different face of the republican party? >> first let me say that one of the -- obviously nikki haley's
friend. we've become friends over the last three days. her. we have a lot in common. i think we lit it off. and -- he hit it uf.off. and tim scott has things in common, although he faced young child. are. that's what the republican party is. i office a town hall the other night on national television. i was asked about it. someone made an allusion about the tone of the campaign with regard to appealing to minorities. i said just todday i was endorsed by the daughter of a long-standing u.s. senator, both there to support a cuban american u.s. senator. it's amazing that the republican party is indeed the party of diversity. it is the only party where you have so many people, so many different backgrounds on a national stage. i'm proud of that.
showcase it. that's who we are. >> i've got ten seconds. you say you gained a friend in nikki haley. did you gain a running mate? >> well, it's presumptuous to say that. i think she's very talented. and i think she's going to be on the top of everyone's list whether she's interested or not, jewel to ask her. she -- you'll have to ask her. she was at the top of the list in anyone's opinion. >> she'd be on your short list? >> i think she'll object everyone's short list. whether she wants to do it or not, you'll have to ask her she has her hands full in south carolina and a young family. i can tell you she's incredibly talented, and i think whoever the nominee is, and i believe it will be me, she's someone that people are going to be paying attention to. >> senator rubio, thanks for coming in. safe travels, sir. >> thank you. next, the sunday panel reacts to south carolina's primary. how does it reshape the republican race? plus, what do you want to ask the panel about the flap this week between donald trump and the pope? just go to facebook or twitter @foxnewssunday.
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nothing easy about running for president. it's tough, it's nasty, it's mean, it's vicious. it's beautiful. >> we are the only campaign that has beaten and can beat donald trump. >> tonight i am suspending my campaign. >> well, that's a taste of the reactions last night from the winner and some of the losers in
and it's now time for our sunday group. gop strategist karl rove, mira tanden, president of the liberal think tank the center for american progress, laura ingram, and julie pace who covers the white house and campaign for the associated press. karl, i want to make sure you know that donald trump sends his best this morning. >> i give him my best back. >> glad to hear that. where does the republican race stand? how strong is trump, and how do you handicap what sure is race? >> i think it is a three-man race. he had a good night last night after having a bad last few days. he ended up last night with a very solid 32. he took because of the party rules all 50 delegates in the only winner-take-all contest out of the 28 contests between february 1st and march 14th.
looking ahead, he has a couple of very good weeks ahead. he's found a way to unglue blue collar evangelicals, thereby deeply damaging ted cruz's chances to sweep these six southern states that are going to be voting on march 1st. and the rest of the contest, he's going to do well because if he takes a third in the vote, he will probably get slightly more than a third of the delegates. they're all proportional contest between now and the 14th of march. and he's going to have a divided opposition. on the other hand, there are big challenges for both parties. and -- and the republicans probably bigger challenges. if he becomes the nominee, we will have nominated the guy who has the -- who has tied for having the worst favorable candidates, republican and democratic alike. the only other candidate who's as bad is hillary clinton. if we don't nominate trump, the party will be equally divided because he's made it clear if he doesn't get the nomination, that's his definition of being treated unfairly. >> laura?
republicans post south carolina and this three-man race. what do you want to add? >> i think it's interesting to look at a rubio hierarchy in the campaign. most are based in south carolina. lauren tompkins, the firm, partner both working war rube-- working for rubio, super pac. if rubio with all the peckser it tease in south carolina can't -- expertise in south carolina can't deliver more than two where does he go to win? rubio has momentum to win this race, i don't see where he wins. i think karl's on to something. in nevada, trump will win it. sec primaries, he's going to roll through. a big speech in atlanta. we saw the huge crowds turn out for eliminate alabama. jeff sessions hasn't endorsed him, but in my mind he's all but. i think trump has momentum. but he -- he must have to unify the party. i think it's interesting that he hasn't gone after rubio. i know rubio hasn't gone after him.
offing here where if trump keeps going, the compromise to the establishment, whatever you call them and the grassroots could be a trump/rubio ticket. i know people are horrified to hear that maybe. that's what i'm seeing, if i have to have a crystal ball now. >> briefly, how about ted cruz because some people would say, look, 70% of the voters there identified as born again or evangelical. and that would seem to have been if he can't win there, where can he finish? cruz. i think he has an amazing campaign delegation. he has 11 delegates. trump has 61. at this point, ted cruz has to do soul searching, too. if he can't start chalking up more than victories in iowa is he going to throw in with rubio or trump? he could be the sweet spot for the establishment and more of the grassroots candidate. >> if we remember one thing a month from now, a week from now, it may be the fact this was the week that pope francis, the holy father, became a participant in
primary in south carolina. when you thought you'd seen it all, you saw this. >> translator: a person who only thinks about making walls again and again and not making bridges is not a christian. >> for a religious leader to disgraceful. >> we asked for questions for the panel and the guy at love twitter. who is paying the pope or directing him to drum up votes against conservatives in america? julie, a lot of people think that in fact the pope's comments helped trump in heavily evangelical south carolina. >> i think it's possible that it did help trump for this reason. the thing that trump has been saying consistently throughout this campaign that has really gotten him support across the country is his positions on immigration. and you've seen moments in the campaign where he veers off to other topics, but every time he can come back to immigration, remind people of his tough position, he gets stronger.
opportunity to do that. i think that -- you know, the pope is someone who has taken some pride in trying to role up politicians on immigration o climate change. i don't think he was trying to do anything specifically to stop donald trump. but it's another great example of how donald trump is a masterful politician. he took something that could have been -- that was quite controversial and i think turned it into a positive. >> before we get into the crazy not in your party, how much are you enjoying what's going on with the republic? >> i think it's an interesting time in american politics on both sides. i was surprised that you could have a kind of twitter war with the pope and still survive. i do think the one thing going forward really for both parties, although there are differences in both parties, is if you look at the exit polls in south carolina, 53% of gop voters are anti-establishment. really feel betrayed by their party. not just anti-establishment, feel betrayed by their party.
rubio or a kind of traditional candidate when you have that much anger at the gop establishment, where they feel, to use the word betrayed, is something we look at. there is factors like in the democratic party. it's just not as high. >> clearly that's something that bernie sanders is tapping into. we'll get is on that in the next next segment. if donald trump ends up the nominee -- and i know some democrats, i don't know about you, who are licking their chops, you have to be careful what to wish for. could he tap into that on the republican side and democratic side, that sense of we're going to just burn the place down and start over again? >> you know, i think he seems to be driving the numbers. there were higher numbers in south carolina. that is something democrats should be worried about. he might polarize other folks, college-educated folks can go the other way, but he is transforming american politics. you have to see how much it's
and whether it would depress republican voters if he went with a pro-establishment candidate. >> one more quick thing. that tableau -- and i talked about it with marco rubio, when he's on the stage with nikki haley, with tim scott, young, minorities. if that were to be the face of the republican party, doesn't that become pretty tough for democrats in the sense that it explodes the kind of traditional stereotypes? >> sure, but we have to say that the rhetoric on the trail has gotten so much more polarizing on immigrants and other issues. so that's the real question. this debate, this debate in the gop will decide where does the party want to go. and can you attract candidates who are anti-establishment, angry at what's happening in the country, really angry at what's happening in the country, and still be a diverse party? that's the question. >> okay. we have to take a break. when we come back, nevada's
clinton's narrow win. a look teat the neon lights on the las vegas strip. the race for the democratic nomination is tight. we have more on the latest. ed ed? >> reporter: hillary clinton took a big step toward beating bernie sanders for the democratic nomination. there are still danger signs for clinton. still under fbi investigation, and entrance polls show that for voters whose top concern was honesty and trustworthiness, sanders crushed her. sanders also won big again with young people, made gains with pitch hispanic. clinton won because of a huge edge with voters over 65 as well
race heads south. clinton at her victory speech immediately pounced on the idea that this as this race goes to south carolina next saturday and then goes national in march, she will be able to grind out the delegates needed to seal this nomination. >> i'm on my way to texas. bill is on his way to colorado. the fight goes on. the future that we support within our grasp. thank you all. god bless you! >> i believe that when democrats assemble in philadelphia in july at that convention, we are going to see the results of one of the great political upsets in the history of the united states. >> now to sanders' point, not all of the states on super tuesday, march 1st, clinton strongholds in the south. some like massachusetts and minnesota quite friendly to him.
delegatesallyproportionally. and he's started to outraise clinton. what he's not spruchb that he can win. >> we're back with our panel. karl, where does the democratic race stand after nevada, and what have we learned about both the clinton and sanders campaigns going forward? >> yeah. i think ed captured the three critical elements absolutely right. she won in nevada labecause of large part due to african-americans. and five contests coming up will prove that dispositive. on the other hand, he will continue to do well among white liberals. you have states like colorado, let me forecast he will carry boulder county. also massachusetts, vermont, north dakota, minnesota, helpful to more liberal candidates in the past. one of the interesting contests coming up is texas. i would have said before last night that would have been solid hillary county.
austin, little moscow on the colorado. last night he did well among latinas latinos in nevada. if that transfers to texas, he's going do better than i would have thought. he will have money. there will come a point not too far away where he will have more money cash on hand than she does. because the delegates are proportionial, he will be there until the end. the question, what does he want in philadelphia? he will not win the nomination, but he will walk into the convention with god knows, 35%, 40% of delegates. what she going to want, and can she give it to him, and does that unite the democratic party without doing damage to their general election -- >> okay, we can go home. it's been laid out for us. neera -- >> let me clarify a few points. >> nevada of supposed to be, according to the clinton campaign, a firewall. she won, but it was a lot closer than they said it was going to be. >> actually, since new hampshire, i think both
ago, ten days now. both thought it was more competitive. bernie sanders at the rally predicted victory the next day. he thought he had momentum because he was outspending hillary 2-1 on the air. she -- he was facing -- she was also facing ads from super pacs including karl rove's super pac that was attacking her -- >> critical. >> $7 million in gop pacs overall. i appreciate the low dollar spend on your end. she did well with women and latinos in latino -- >> she lost latinos -- >> no. that's in the entrance polls. if you look at latino turnout in caucuses, she won clark county by ten points. the latino neighborhood, she won 2-1 the delegates. these are facts. the idea that she's weakening among latinos is false. we'll see in texas how well she does. she did really well in texas eight years ago.
>> lauer ai want to get your reaction to -- >> laura, i want to get your reaction to a fascinating moment on the campaign trail. >> have always told the truth? >> i've always tried to. always. always. >> some people are going call that wiggle room that you just gave yourself, always tried to. i mean, jimmy carter said, i will never lie to you. >> you're asking me to say have i ever -- i don't believe i ever have. i don't believe i ever have. i don't believe i ever will. i'm going do the best i can to level with the american people. >> how do you think she handled that? we've got to say in the entrance polls which is the only hard data we have, still a huge number of people had honesty and trustworthy as their top candidate quality. he killed her. it wasn't quite new hampshire, 90-10, but 80 something to 15. >> on the trustworthiness front, it wasn't a stellar night for her. with answers like that, it -- it goes back, we're reminded of depends on the meaning, what the
i tried to, is there a statute of limitations? does it go back to hillary's time as a teenager? the question -- i mean, i think most candidates would probably have a problem with that. when you look at the ads, they stretch the truth in the political ads for all the candidates. it goes back to the e-mail scandal and maybe bejznghazi, what difference does it make? i never sent or received an e-mail that was classified. we're receiveation different story. her y -- receiving a different story. her guy there was central to two campaigns, to howard dean's in 2004 ad nof course he worked for hillary clinton in 2008. he knew the lay of the land. if you can win among african-americans and the elderly, i don't see how she's stoppable. latinos. texas will tell a different story, perhaps. i think the question is what is bernie going to get. concession, is it a policy concession? much like in the gop, this campaign really is about issues. are we going to go with the establishment view of things?
or into a new, more populist direction on both the democrat and the republican front? bernie wants to force that debate. it's not that he's done a bad job given the power and might of the clintons. >> julie, from your sources at the white house, what do they make of the race? are they concerned because it looks like this will go on for a while that it's going to weaken whoever ends up winning, and whoever wins they'll be pushed to the left. >> there's a lot of support for lin the white house. -- for hillary clinton at the white house. having lived through a long campaign in 2008, people are clear about hillary's weaknesses as a candidate. there's a feeling that a long campaign can helper are get the kinks out. she's going to have to go into a general election stronger than the last couple of weeks. she's going to have to be. i think you saw her last night in her speech in nevada really coming around with a stronger message. there was a lot of talk about the campaign being about the people. she focused more on her
i think that shows an evolution. one thing that got lost on the fund-raising front, bernie sanders is spending money at an incredibly high rate. he's raised a lot of money, but he's burning through it quite quickly. i think you have to really look at the funtd-raising numbers and spend the next couple of weeks. that will determine how long the race goes on. >> she has more cash on hand than he does. >> yeah -- >> he outraised her in the last reporting period. >> i thought it was interesting in moving left that she made a point, yes, if you're a bad company we don't like you. she went to say if you're a good company and going contribute, we're all for you. i mean, the idea that we're not going burn down wall street. she seemed to want to recalibrate that. >> she's never going to be bernie sanders on wall street issues. and on private sector issues. it wouldn't be authentic for her to do that. she's been trying to find her position on this. i think last night was a message that felt more authentic. i think you will see that into south carolina and beyond. >> ridiculed the idea that
bernie's world. does he that three or four times over the last week. i thought that was a turn to the general election. black and elderly voters, you need a republican who can peel some away in both categories. >> and a teleprompter speech. >> thank you. see you sunday. and marco rubio, no teleprompter speech. >> right. with bernie sanders' appears here last week, we sat down with every candidate in the race except hillary clinton. as we noted, she was asked recently what she would do as president to bring the country together. >> i think it's an important point the president made in his state of the union. and here's what i would say -- i will go anywhere to meet with common ground. >> once again there week, clinton turned down our request for an interview. we reached out to her campaign officials in charge of this sort of thing, communications director jennifer palmeri and nick mu are to, neither had the court see it answer our phone
>> he speaks directly. he speaks plainly. he speaks honestly. that really has an impact on voters. >> the political revolution -- [ applause ] >> add it tad devon is senior adviser to bernie sanders' campaign. he's worked with him for 20 years but signed on to the presidential run in 2014 when sanders wasn't even included in national polls. >> he's not just a client of mine. he's a friend of mine. by talking about this message that he believes in so deeply is great for the democratic party. we can bring millions into this process, and they can help elect a democratic president, whether it's him or hillary clinton. >> a funny thing happened the last 15 months. sanders' quixotic run for the white house has turned serious. >> bernie! >> honestly, are you surprised sanders is doing this well. >> yes, i am surprised. i'm surprised by how his appeal is coming through. i'm surprised by the size of the crowds turning out to see him.
progress in so little time. >> divine doesn't just set strategy for the campaign, he also produces ads like this -- [ applause ] >> you've got to tell a story quickly. a story that people remember. two, if you have some emotional impact or content to the story, that's powerful. >> devine has worked on campaigns since 1980. in this country and overseas. while his batting average is good, when it comes to american presidential races, well, he worked for dukakis and gore and john kerry. >> i think i've learned more in campaigns when i've worked for candidates who have lost than i learned in campaigns when candidates have won. hard lessons about what not to do, you know, in the next campaign. >> was part of your calculation that hillary clinton was not as strong as everybody said she was? >> you know, it really wasn't. we're not really reacting to hillary clinton.
path and stick to it, and i think we do, we have a chance of winning. >> theistrate strategy is to battle hillary clinton across the nation to the convention in july. >> she's going to do well in a lot of places. and there will be a push to say, know. our position's going to be, it's over when it's over. >> devine believes sanders can win more votes than clinton and make his case to the party officials now backing her as superdelegates. >> i think we can win the most pledge delegates, and then arguably to the -- argue to the party that our nominee should be picked by voters and not by political insiders. >> we are going to vigorously participate in that democracy -- >> in the meantime, devine says the sanders campaign is a good example of why he got into politics so many years ago. >> it's rewarding when you work for people who you respect and admire, when you win elections, particularly election when was people say there's no hope, and you see the consequences of that victory and the impact that it
>> devine says there's been a revolution in campaigns since 2012 because of smartphones. he says the sanders team can now remind supporters to vote or ask for money with a push of a button. all of which only make the grassroots that much stronger. that's it for today. have a great week, and we'll see
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