tv Meet the Press NBC November 13, 2016 10:00am-11:00am EST
this sunday, split screen america. a divided nation reacts with joy to donald trump and with anger. with anti-trump protesters demonstrating across the country, as mr. trump washington. >> mr. president, it was a great honor being with you, a i look forward to being with you many, many more times in the future. >> thank you. >> will trump be able to heal the widening divisions in this country? i will talk to his campaign manager kellyanne conway. e-mail fallout again. hillary clinton blames her loss directly on fbi director james comey, saying his announcement stopped her momentum. not only have democrats lost
remain in republican hands. how do democrats rebuild? senator cory booker and congressman keith ellison join me. did donald trump win the election? or did hillary clinton lose it? we will dig into the numbers. joining me are david brooks, katty kay, hugh hewitt and nina welcome to sunday and the post-election edition of "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning and, boy, this is no ordinary sunday. if there's one idea that was voluntarily dated tuesday, it's that we live in a split screen country. half the country feels it finally got its country back and the other half fears they lost
half the nation once again feels at home in a country they recognize. the other half worries that they're now homeless in their own home country. that split screen idea is reflects in the vote. with 93% of the vote counted, hillary clinton leads donald trump by more than 600,000 votes, larger than al gore had in the popular vote over george w. bush. she will almost surely end up winning the popular vote by two percentage points. elections are not won that way. they are won and lost i electoral college. trump's victory sparked protests over the past few days. one question many people are asking is, how did the polls get it so wrong? hillary clinton has one answer. yesterday she said fbi director james comey's two e-mail announcements 11 days before the election and the other two days before the election proved fatal. clinton told donors, quote --
the levers of power in washington and many levers around the country. it has left clinton voters asking themselves, what just happened. >> so hillary called. and it was a lovely call. and it was a tough call for her. >> in a category five political storm, we missed what should have been clear, donald trump is the latest in a series of winning presidential candidates who faced opponents with deep resumes or per see and americans voted for change in 2016. >> if we have learned nothing else from the past two years of elections, we should hear that message loud and clear. that the american people want washington to change. >> in the rust belt, pennsylvania, wisconsin, and michigan, trump turned reliably blue states red. how did he do it?
support of white working class voters in business blue collar suburbs. macomb county, home of the reagan democrats, was one of 12 obama counties in michigan that voted trump. >> i think many people also missed the fear that is really in working men and women's hearts and souls. 2008 scared people. >> number two, the obama coalition did not turn out where it needed to. turnout was african-american voters. in cleveland, clinton got 63,000 viewer votes than obama did. democratic votes were down to wayne county and in walk county. number three, trump spiked the vote in rural america. while romney won in rural areas by 19 points in pennsylvania, trump won them by 45 points. >> the rural jobs are tougher to find.
factors, you know, made it a little easier for donald trump and his campaign focusing on immigrants taking jobs, trade deals causing jobs to be lost. >> clinton also struggled to articulate why voters should support her beyond the fact that she was not trump. what is the big idea of your candidacy? >> look, we are stronger together. we are stronger together in facing our internal challenges and our external >> instead of running clear economic messaing in small town and rural america as obama's campaign did -- >> now he has a plan that will give millionaire's a tax break. >> knock the crab out of him. >> the outcome is unfathomable. >> discourse has changed forever. >> the other half celebrate. >> what i'm seeing is a return back to family values. >> joining me now is the woman
transition, kellyanne conway. welcome back to the show. >> thank you, chuck. >> let me start, it's amazing what a difference a month makes. a month ago, speaker paul ryan was not inviting him to a rally. he said donald trump didn't speak not republican party. paul ryan changed his tune. on election day, you and i had a conversation. you were setting up the idea that maybe if he comes up short, to answer for. is this victory because of the republican party or despite of it? >> because of the republican party. but mostly because of donald j. trump. he created a movement. you see the turnout in the counties that went for donald trump being way up. the see the counties in the states that were more for hillary clinton being way down in turnout. the enthusiasm and momentum, chuck, that donald trump created
on election day. i hope even those who were critical of mr. trump, of president-elect trump, i like the sound of that, i hope they learn something from the voters. that's what so many of us have been urging from the beginning. you want to grow the republican party? pay attention to what he has done. >> before the election, there were democrats telling hillary clinton, if she won, she needed to spend time in red america. does donald trump need to spend time in blue america, not just have rallies with supporters but maybe have town halls with opponent snz. >> sure. he has shown his willingness to spend time in blue america. it's how he won the election. busting the blue wall. >> there's a difference. talking to -- there's one thing talking -- going to states where he finds voters who agree with him. but talking to voters who disagree with him. >> he found a lot of voters who disagreed with the republican party all along and they voted for him. those were the undercover trump voters we tried to talk about. >> you said a chief of staff
of staff does set a tone. i want to quote dan balls. do they want washington to work better or do they expect him to be disruptive as a president? it seems reince priebus, chairman of the rnc as chief of staff would send one direction about working with paul ryan. steve bannon, might send a more disruptive message. should we read into that depending on who he names? >> well, they will both have big roles in as well as they should. it was a very small core senior team. probably less than ten people all told. i'm sure that everyone will be very important to the president moving forward. i will say this though. i think having worked with him and known him, steve bannon in this particular campaign was the general. and he is much more the goldman sachs managing partner and the naval officer than people realize.
wouldn't come in to say, let's burn washington down? >> i think the president-elect is there to implement his first 100 day plan and those around him know that and will appreciate that, whether it's within his inner circle on capitol hill. we are very grateful in trump world to both bannon and priebus. i think you will see them continue to work together. we work closely together. this is a mandate. those of us who are around him will -- >> it's >> support him. >> you say it's a mandate. how do you explain losing the popular vote? >> you got big states in there like california and illinois, new york. >> all part of america. >> of course they're part of america. >> that's my point. that's half the country -- it's one thing to claim a mandate. i think governing-wise i guess what you are saying. but you do have a public opinion-wise or popularity-wise, that's a different story. how do you square the two.
i respect them. they misread america. they did not have her in red states. they were pretending they were going to turn red blue. they were pretending -- it was said and you covered it like it was gospel, literally said, we will know this election result before election day because of the early vote. false. but written about. she had a good election -- good early voting but horrible election day turnout. then it was, we will have historic turnout. false. it was written about and covered as if it were true because it i just want to say to you about him, he has put out an agenda that everybody can see. he has talked about what his replacement for obamacare would be. he has talked about his plan to defeat radical islamic terrorism. he is going to create 45 million jobs over ten years, invest in energy and infrastructure. it's all there. >> let me ask you one final question. hillary clinton pinned the blame on james comey for her loss. do you believe comey did have an impact, whether direct impact or
some -- that had it some help to your candidacy? >> i think it's unfortunate that for secretary clinton who is a woman of enormous gifts and talents and she should be commended for putting her sl out there and running to are president twice, i can't believe it's always somebody else's fault. sometimes you have to take a look in the mirror and reflect on what went wrong. we saw the polls tightening as you must have before the comey announcement on october 28. i think to recognize the fact that 40 million people have ways in clinton world. they were quoted that very weekend, chuck, on your show and others as saying, people have decided. people have already incorporated the e-mail scandal into their voting decisions. now they're going back and saying he had an impact. what about the fact that they just got it wrong? what about the fact they weren't in touch with americans and the cultural zeitgeist and the issue
congratulations. the first woman to run a successful presidential campaign as campaign manager. that should not -- >> thrilled for the country. >> that should not get lost in all of this. thanks for coming on. joining me is a democrat who represents a part of the country that perhaps still can't believe they lost tuesday. senator cory booker of new jersey. welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you for having me on again. >> let me put the question to you this way. what did you learn from the voters on tuesday? what message did they send to party should be standing with pride and chest thumping right now when you have something that's very historic, one of the few times in which the electoral college and popular vote were different. the message to both parties should be right now that we need to find ways to work together to speak to the american public. this is an election like i have never seen before. and i think it reflects the fact that many people have a
usual. both parties should be humble, reach out to each and find ways to build on common ground, to serve the concerns, the rightful frustrations of the american people. >> when you ran for senate, you talked about you wanted to be a disrupter in that positive sense when you think of the way silicon valley companies are thought of as disrupters. trump, clinton, i heard a lot of voters talking about trump as a disrupter. do you get the sense maybe that is -- that was something that message? >> you know, i think there's going to be a lot of time to focus on the data in this election and figure out what happened. i know there's people on both sides trying to sift through it all. right now, i'm dealing with the fact that i've never seen an election like this one before where people are so fearful. we elected someone who spews so much twitter troll-like bile and
the flight i have to come here, an african-american single mom slipped me a note and hugged me with tears in her eyes. so this is a time where i have deep concern about the future of our country. i've never seen an election from folks who tell me about their children feeling as if they have to leave the nation because they're going to come after them. my concern right now is standing fear into hope and trying to let folks know we're going to fight forward and defend fellow americans against what might or might not come. >> what's your message to these protesters that are popping up? i was talking with kellyanne conway about it, asking if donald trump should address these folks? she says he has. she said she thinks that president obama and secretary clinton should be telling these protesters, essentially, you
give some time and space to president-elect trump. what's your message to the protesters? >> i'm sitting here right now having this conversation with you because of the tradition of american protest. i have my rights, not because of washington suddenly deciding strom thurman and others, let's give people rights but because of the voice of protesters. when you have a president that in his campaign who ran things that not aren't just contrary to fact but literally threatening to use presidential power in a way that would erode the rights and privileges and equality of large sections of americans, god bless the protesters. but i will tell you this. i caution anyone who in their protest becomes the very thing that they're protesting against. meaning, turning to hateful speech, violating principles and
we do not need to indulge in hate. i still remember how upset i was and the aftermath of president obama's election where people and republican leadership didn't say that i want to focus on the issues and values of our country but my number one goal is to see that barack obama is not a two-term president. that's outrageous. i would never do that. my number one goal to fight to protect poor people, ethnic and religious minorities, working class folks. i the other side in many ways did that i felt was despicable, whether it was heckling a president during his state of the union address or questioning the birth and the legitimacy of a president. those things were despicable to me. we need to not lose our honor. we need to not lose our class in the way that we go about being a noble opposition. >> the obama coalition didn't turn out to vote for her. about half -- you could look at it two different ways.
trump, particularly when you look at what happened in michigan. 12 counties with working class folks who voted obama over romney picked trump over clinton. then there were turnout issues in other places like wisconsin. is this a reminder that the obama coalition is not a democratic party coalition? >> you know, so again, i live in a city and i've lived my entire professional live a poor census track median income where i live. it's $14,000. i've seen people come out in droves for obama in 2008. i have seen them not couple out in our governor's race in 2009. what happened after that race, the earned income tax credit was cut, protecting millionaires in our state but cutting poor people, raising taxes on poor people.
attacked. elections have consequences. name it whatever you want, but when you don't come out and vote, some people might think, it's not going to affect my life. but there are people in this nation on margins that elections like this will hurt and will have a deep impact. again, that's why put me in the opposition. put me in those people that are going to resist those things in our country that are going to happen now where the folks who now are in power have said -- they have told us who they are. they have an agenda that's going to hurt those folks who are americans struggling. we're going to have to do everything question to fight against that to make sure that even though we didn't get big turnouts where we needed -- we had the votes we needed to win. even though we didn't get the turnouts, it's not time to give up. we have to keep fighting. >> what are you looking for in the next head of the democratic party? >> the next head needs to be a committed progressive, somebody that's going to help to get our message out. again, i've been working in my community for a long time. i've seen what happens when
do things i consider should have been illegal. >> is that keith ellison? >> that is a name that gives me hope and excitement. there's a process. but they need to be a committed progressive. they need to be someone in this time where there's a vacuum of leadership, that will join others of the committed resistance and stand in the breach. we need to reach out and give space for partnership and collaboration. that's the humility i was talking about to find -- to see if there's things we can work together on. but ultimately, if after us, with bigotry, prejudice, if they come after -- we need to make america love again and do everything we can to prevent this country from becoming the way that donald trump campaigned. if he governs the way he campaigned, it will be a disastrous presidency. this is a chance for him to be -- to work across the aisle.
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bernie sanders nina turner is here, katty kay to give the brexit perspective and david brooks, columnist for "the new york times." there were many things that we believed to be true, turned out not to be. we believed donald trump support was stuck in the low 40s. it wasn't. we believed hillary clinton had a stable lead. she did not. we believed that hillary clinton would expand the electoral map. she didn't. we believed president obama's coalition was transferable to clinton. convention and debates would matter. they did not. there's a lot more. david brooks, trump win, hillary lose, what happened? >> well, it is a good week for humility for pundits. the 21st century happened. it started on 9/11 and it has been a century of counter reaction to globalization. and a good century for 72 nations have gotten more authoritarian.
around the world. the people who will suffering from globalization are saying, no more. we get a voice. for those of us who believe in it, there has to be a movement that says, we still believe in trade, we still believe in international engagement for america. for those losers or those suffering, we have your back. to me the crucial moment of the clinton campaign was when she gave up on the trade deal that she had helped negotiate. that said, i don't believe in what i think whole life. i'm about to renounce it to win your vote. it was a character issue. she couldn't have an affirmative case for a global world but a supportive world. >> katty? >> i agree on the brexit team. i'm thinking about the trump team this week. members of the leave campaign went to bed that night thinking that they had lost and they woke up staggered the next morning they won. we did opinion polls that showed if we were to hold it again,
the bbc who said, you know what, i voted to leave but i didn't think we were going to leave. i think what we have seen is the kind of simple, clarion call of change crashing up against governing. that's what's going on right now. >> disruption. >> i have had a lot of people say if sanders had been the nominee, it would have been a different story. >> i believe that to be true. again, everybody thought that secretary clinton was going to beat m so we will never know. in terms of the populist message, senator sanders on the opposite side in a way that pulls people together and not divide them, he was speaking the language of the forgotten. so there should be no surprise that forgotten america, no matter their ethnicity, because we see that mr. trump was able to get hispanic voters, african-american voters, the majority of the women voters that he was able to amass even though he was painted as the
forgotten america. >> president-elect trump won rural america three to one. he got more african-american votes and latino votes than mitt romney did. it's a political earthquake. i lived in california 27 years. i went through north ridge and big bear. people are jittery after it. you don't want to be under an overpass. you don't want to be in a tall build building. i don't want to get out ahead of there's a monumental shift that goes back to what david said about a reaction to 9/11, the panic, post-traumatic stress america coming up in these protests now. it's very reminiscent. i'm the only one that can remember 1968. it's reminiscent of 1968. >> i had a lot of people bring that up. i want to throw something out here.
cohesion with clinton. is it possible, nina, that clinton just screamed status quo and even barack obama didn't see that? >> very much so. this was a disruon year. this was the anti-insider year. some democrats, especially establishment democrats, took their eye off the ball. president obama is amazing in every way. that's why he won in 2008. in 2016, people wanted something different. they're tired of talking about the foreign stuff. nobody was really focusing in on domestic issues that wealth and income inequality is high, people are suffering every day.
or bust notion, some folks meant that. they actually meant that. >> i want to throw one other thing out here. let me play for you a comment by a reporter for reports on rural america for progressive farmer. he had a provocative response on what happened post election. listen to this one piece of analysis, david. >> every time you heard about these polls, you heard that educated white voters were going for college degrees or had no college supported trump. i think they took some of these things that were said over and over throughout the last four or five months of the campaign, also very personally themselves, that rural america is not uneducated, even though maybe there are fewer people with college degrees than there might be in the metropolitan areas. >> that stung me. when we would say these things, it was an academic exercise.
like, my late father would have kicked me in the rear. >> i had that just watching that. it's true demographically that people with college degrees voted differently than people with high school degrees. when you say it when you don't have a college degree, you hear, they think i'm stupid. >> that's not it at all. >> i'm guilty of that. you saw so much sense of moral injury when you went around the trump world, which i have been doing the last seven months. i used to have a code of it away. the numbers of times hear fly over country. you heard that. but i heard it every hour. >> so did i. >> the skepticism that has grown up about elites is totally justified. since 2008, no one has gone to jail on wall street for the crash. elites have not been able to fix the problem. we haven't managed to fix post-manufacturing job growth,
policy makers have plainly failed here in the united states and in europe as well. people have suffered because of that. when they say throw out economists, you can totally understand why. >> this is very important, because donald trump actually won a lot of people -- we gotta give the president-elect his due. he was a beam for the disappointed. he said for the people disappointed with the president on obamacare, come to me, people disappointed with trade, dom me, people disappointed with the supreme court, come to me. he did run amp bringing in the disappointed and to the people who may be disappointed with their own lives and where they are, they have a person to speak for them. >> i will take a pause here. how should the democrats dig out of this deep hole? move in the sanders warren direction or try to reconnect with rural and working class america. the man who sanders and warrant want to reason the democratic party joins me next.