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>> announcer: starting right now on abc's "this week" -- the capital of europe on lockdown. after an unprecedented terror warning. the streets empty. businesses closed. why officials say an attack is imminent. martha raddatz on the ground with the breaking details. and, exclusive interviews with both donald trump and ben carson after that firestorm over their comments about syrian refugees. what are they saying now? trump, carson, live, only on "this week." plus, our brand-new 2016 poll, have the paris terror attacks changed the race? from abc news, "this week" with
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george stephanopoulos begins now. good morning, lot going on this week. we'll bring you our brand-new poll, both donald trump and ben carson joins us live. we begin with that security lockdown in europe's capital, subways and stores closed, events canceled, americans warned to stay indoors. because of an imminent terror threat. our chief global affairs correspondent martha raddatz is on the scene in brussels with the latest. good morning, martha. >> reporter: good morning, george. the lockdown is visible everywhere you go here in brussels, the imminent threat on everyone's mind, and belgian officials say the lockdown may continue through monday, since, they say, terrorists are looking at places here where they could inflict mass casualties. it's unsettling here in brussels this morning, a usually bustling european capital paralyzed. soldiers patrolling streets. the u.s. embassy ordering americans here to shelter in place. a paris-style attack is what
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they're expecting, the threat deemed serious and imminent. but on the second day of the high alert, tourists were milling around. usually lively grand plaza. >> christmas tree. armored vehicle. it's not normal, you know. >> reporter: local police were offering assurances. >> we need to have support from the army, so everything is secure here in brussels. >> reporter: in neighboring france, officials are still looking for clues after the suspected planner of the paris attacks, abdelhamid abaaoud, was killed in a shootout on wednesday. and the manhunt growing for the world's most wanted man, the eighth paris terrorist. salah abdeslam, authorities say he drove to belgium. the lawyer for his companions telling abc news, he looked angry and was possibly wearing a
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suicide belt. meanwhile, the survivors in paris still haunted, the lead singer of the american band performing at the bataclan talked to vice news. >> a great reason why so many were killed is because so many people wouldn't leave their friends. >> reporter: the spector of the jihadist threat is also rising in mali, where al qaeda is claiming credit for that deadly hotel siege. an american survivor telling his harrowing story to abc's alex marquardt. >> you already resigned yourself to the fact that you were dead. >> yeah, basically. they never looked, they were shooting, the shells were hitting me. they never looked. >> reporter: from africa, to europe, to the front line in the front against isis, this week we were in iraq, where isis holds huge swaths of territory, but the kurds have had some success in pushing isis back. with help from american advisers, but the threat is still enormous.
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up positions all around kirkuk, this soldier has his eye on isis. meanwhile, this morning, in asia, president obama insisting that destroying isis is a realistic goal. >> the most powerful tool we have to fight isis is, to say that we're not afraid. >> so, martha, you have spent this week on both fronts, which is at least a two-front war? >> reporter: it really is, george, when you go into iraq and you see the continuing air strikes and we were in the command center where they're conducting those air strikes under pretty strict rules of engagement. we'll have to keep our eye on that and see whether they loosen those rules of engagement. but here in brussels, the transition wasn't that difficult, because you have soldiers all over the street, you have armored personnel carriers as we saw. kind of like being in iraq.
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square, just across from me is the home of where the missing terrorist used to live, and here, i talked to some people on the streets today, including a 15-year-old girl, and i asked her what it's like to live in this neighborhood. she said yes, we do have some terrorists in the neighborhood but we're not all terrorists, we're frightened ourselves of what's happening. we're going to turn now to the political fallout from these terrorist attacks. our new poll shows that hillary clinton holds a commanding lead on the democratic side but bernie sanders has gained nine points since joe biden decided he's not running and donald trump leads over ben careson. followed by ted cruz and jeb bush. donald trump joins us live after this report from jon karl. >> reporter: the president was half a world away in asia this
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week, but it seemed like he was on the campaign trail, repeatedly slamming republicans who want to keep syrian refuges out of the united states. >> apparently they're scared of widows and orphans coming into the united states as part of our tradition of compassion. >> reporter: back in washington, his own party was defying him. nearly four dozen house democrats joining republicans voting to stop admitting syrian refugees until the government can certify they pose no threat. more than half the country's governors have vowed to keep syrian refugees out of their the president said the refugees are thoroughly vetted. and pose no more threat than tourists. with two of the paris terrorists now suspected of sneaking into france as refugees, one using this doctored passport, security fears have soared. our new poll shows a majority now oppose to taking in refugees. the threat says terrorism is
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second to economy. 54% disapprove of the president's handling of terrorism altogether. on the campaign trail, ben carson came under fire. for comparing the screening of refugees to protecting children from rabid dogs. >> if there's a rabid dog running around your going to assume something good about that dog and you're probably going to put your children out of the way. it doesn't mean that you hate all dogs. >> reporter: and donald trump spoke a furor when reporter asked him if he would support a database to track muslims in the united states? >> there should be a lot of systems beyond databases. we should have a lot of systems and today you can do it. >> how do you get them to register? >> just good management. >> reporter: under fire from fellow republicans, trump said the database he wants is just
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for syrian refugees. >> i want database for those people coming in, i want surveillance if we have to, i want surveillance of certain mosques, okay. >> and jon karl joins us now. more results of that poll, which has been remarkably steady. >> through major controversies and national debates. just look at the numbers since september, marco rubio has gone up ever so slightly, bush down. but for donald trump and ben carson, the numbers are virtually unchanged, and consider this, it was our poll in july that first put donald trump as the front-runner and no matter what he has said, or what others have said about him, he has not budged from the front-runner since then. >> you showed that tough numbers for president obama on terrorism, these terror attacks >> if you look at those numbers, george, the lowest approval for the handling of terrorism for
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president obama. on the republican side, though, look who the republican voters trust to handle terrorism, donald trump. let's bring in mr. trump right now. he joins us on the phone. you just heard those numbers, donald trump. is the nomination now yours to lose? >> i don't know. i don't think about that. i think about the date, february 1st, that's iowa and then we have new hampshire. we're doing great in both place places. state. but we're doing really well. i was happy to hear your numbers. i'm not surprised. people are tired, they're sick and tired of incompetence and sick and tired of stupid people leading them. the deals they make, whether it's trade or dealing with isis. everything is wrong. i was after the oil. i said attack the oil, i have been telling you that for two years, attack the oil. they didn't do it. oil. now they're starting to attack
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the oil. >> you stirred up those comments with the database, are you now ruling out a database on all muslims? >> no, not at all. i want a database for the refugees that, if they come into the country, we have no idea who these people are, when the syrian refugees start pouring into this country, we don't know if they're isis or a trojan horse, i definitely want a database and other checks and balances. we have no idea who's being sent in here. this could be the great trojan horse of all time. probably not. when they come in. when i look at the migration and the lines and i see all strong, very powerful-looking men, they're men, and i see very few women and children, there's something strange going on. when you see what's happening in europe, lot of bad things are happening in europe. just ask the folks that live in
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germany. lot of bad things are happening. >> but statistics do show -- >> george, we want to be vigilant. we have to be vigilant and we have to call it radical islamic terror. we have a president that won't even issue the term. when the syrians come in, or if they're going to come in, we have to be very, very vigilant and a database would be fine for them and a watch list is fine. we have to watch and see. they should not come in, by the way, they should not be allowed in. >> just for the record, though, the statistics do show majority of the refugees coming in are women and children. you also told yahoo! news, we have to do things that are unthinkable a year ago. do you think we should bring back enhanced interrogation like waterboarding? >> well, we have to be strong. they don't use waterboarding. they used chopping off people's heads.
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they drown them in the ocean. waterboarding. we have -- i would bring it back, yes, i would bring it back. i think waterboarding is peanuts compared to what they're doing us. what they did to james foley, that's a whole different level. i would absolutely bring back interrogation and strong interrogation. >> you also said we have to consider closing mosques. jeb bush called that a sign of weakness. >> well, jeb bush is a weak person, that has been defined very strongly. i mean, jeb bush is a weak person -- i call him a low-energy person. you can call him anything you want. jeb is a person that will not a solve a problem like this. you have very, very tough people that you're dealing with, they only understand strength, they don't understand weakness. somebody like jeb, and others that are running against me and, by the way, hillary clinton is another one, hillary is a person who doesn't have the strength or the stamina in my opinion to be
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president. she doesn't have strength or stamina, she's not a strong enough person to be president. >> what would be your criteria to close a mosque? >> we're dealing with very, very strong people and you need strength and you need stamina. hillary does not have that. >> what would be your criteria to closing mosque? your top priority would be to preserve and protect liberties, is that only for christians? what are your criteria? >> i don't want to close mosques. i want to surveil mosques. we were doing in new york city for a while -- >> all mosques? >> well, i do -- there are certain hotspots, and let me tell you, the people that are involved in those mosques, they know who the bad ones are and the good ones, but they don't talk, and we have to surveil the mosques.
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we were doing it until de blasio closed them up in new york city. we were doing it recently. we have to surveil the mosques. we were learning a lot and they potential problems by learning what was happening. hey, look, i don't want to close up mosques but things happen where you have to use strong measures or you're going to see buildings coming down. >> you want to keep terror watch list. under current law, individuals under the watch list have been allowed to buy guns and explosives, are you okay with that? >> we have to have a watch list, and if that watch list has somebody, you know, we have the laws right now, we have the laws already on the books, second amendment of guns. i'm a really big proponent of the second amendment. i'll give you an example, if in paris some of those
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people, if you had some of those people had guns, you wouldn't have had the horror show that you had -- >> but why should somebody on the watch list have a gun? >> people are on a watch list, people are sick, you have already -- this is already covered in the legislation that we already have, george -- >> under current law, people on the watch list are allowed to buy guns. >> listen, george, if we have an enemy of state, i don't want to give him anything, i want to have him in jail. that's what i want. i want to have him? jail. but if those people in paris had guns in that room it would have been a shootout and very few people would have been hurt by comparison to number were hurt. >> yes or no, should someone on the terror watch list be allowed to buy a gun? >> if somebody is on a watch list and enemy of state, i would keep him away, absolutely. >> you raised some eyebrows with comments you made at your latest rally relating to 9/11.
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i want to show them. >> hey, i watched when the world trade center came tumbling down and i watched in jersey city, new jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down, thousands of people were cheering. >> you know, the police say that didn't happen at all. those rumors have been on the internet for some time. >> i saw it. >> you saw it with your own eyes? >> there were people who were cheering on the other side of jersey, where you have large cheering as the world trade center came down. but there were people cheering as those buildings came down. that tells you something. it was well covered at the time, george. i know they don't like to talk about it. there were people over in new jersey watching it, heavy arab population.
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not good. >> the police say they didn't happen. >> i wouldn't to move on. rivals have pounced on your database comments. a superpac supporting john kasich launched this attack ad against you. >> on the job training doesn't work. benghazi, beheadings, paris. our lives depend on a commander in chief with experience who >> clear implication is that you don't, what is your response to that ad? >> john kasich is going nowhere, he was at the head of lehman, one of the top people at lehman, he's going nowhere. anybody who does an ad against me will be hit ten times. look, they want to do it because i'm leading. you just came out with the poll that says i'm leading. because people are sick and
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people leading our nation. we have incompetent people, when president obama stands up and says isis is contained and, then a few hours later you have one of the most horrible attacks, and you have 300 people laying in the hospital, many of them wants to take in people who have no documentation, no paperwork, no anything, from syria on the migration, people are going to come pouring in, and the number he wants is much higher than 10,000. i've heard it's 200,000. that's the real number he wants. we have a president that doesn't know what he's doing. we have a president, george, who's totally incompetent. >> that number is our refugees, but finally, that superpac is not alone. front-page story in "the wall street journal" talks about gop operatives promising to launch a guerrilla campaign against trump.
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attempt to unite donors from anti-trump force. if that happens, are you going to reconsider an independent run if they try to take you out? it will be very interesting, but i'm leading every poll a lot. i resonate with the people. every place i go, if crowds smaller than 10,000 it's like a small crowd for me. nobody else can get 200. i mean jeb bush and these guys, kasich, if he speaks, if he gets 20 people in a room it's a lot of room. i get crowds of 6,000, 10,000, 20,000, i had a 35,000 crowd in alabama. well, i'm going to have to see what happens. i'll see what happens. i have to be treated fairly. i have to be treated fairly. if i'm treated fairly i'm fine. all i want to do is a level playing field. i think people are surprised
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that, you know, their politicians and they have been doing this stuff all their lives. i have been a job producer, i have done fabulous developments all over the world. i have made a lot of money. that's the kind of thinking we need in office, that's the kind of thinking we need in washington. and that's why people are resonating with me. they know there's a great level of competence. we have a great level of incompetence right now in washington. frankly, we have a lot of incompetent politicians running for office. and they don't understand, how can an outsider be doing so well within the party. when i was a contributor, i know more about contributions than anybody. i contributed at the top of the line. but now, all of a sudden, i'm somebody -- they're a little bit, i guess, they can't but what's happening is very simple. people want competence now. people. it's as simple as that. >> mr. trump, thanks for your
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that's the scene in brussels this morning, europe's capital on lockdown after an imminent threat from isis. we're going to continue the debate on how to respond to that dr. carson, thank you for joining us this morning.
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glad you're with us right now. i do want to get your response on some of the things we talked about with donald trump on how to respond to isis. number one, he said we should ring back those enhanced interrogation techniques, which president obama discontinued like waterboarding, do you agree? >> i agree that there's no such thing as political correctness when you're fighting an enemy who wants to destroy you and i'm not one who's real big on telling the enemy on what we're going to do and what we're not going to do. >> but you would do that even though many consider waterboarding torture? >> like i said, i'm not real big on telling what we do. >> you have said we should monitor any churches or mosques where there's a lot of radicalization or things that are anti-american, how would you
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determine that? >> well, what i said in a large capacity, we should monitor anything - mosque, church, school, you know, shopping center -- where there's a lot of radicalization going on. >> intelligence, we have already, we do need to enhance that. you know, for instance, we learned last week that the fbi seems to be able to monitor 30 to 60 people at a time. and we know there's a lot more than that that need to be monitored. we need to get very serious about our intelligence. remember what happened with the monitoring at the airports, so much of the stuff was able to get through, we have to really improve that very significantly. we're talking about the safety of the american people. >> so, you want to enhance the intelligence, how about this issue of the terror watch list as i told mr. trump that, under the current law, people on the terror watch list are permitted
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to buy guns, have been permitted to buy guns and explosives, would you continue that? >> well, as you i'm sure know, there are a lot of people on that watch list and they have no idea of why they're on that get their names off of it and no one will give them information. you know, i am a big supporter of the second amendment and i don't want to deprive people unnecessarily of that. there needs to be better due process. that's one thing i'm very interested in, finding a way to make government more responsive to the people, it's really unfair that people can't get a real hearing and they get put on a list and nobody can tell why them why they're there. they have to be tormented. it doesn't make any sense. >> and on the broader strategy against isis, i spoke with president obama last week and had him to respond to your comments that you made at the
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debate, where you said it would be fairly easy to take out the oil fields near anbar. here's what he said. >> what i think he doesn't know much about it. to say that, over the last several years, i have had access to all of the best military minds in the country and foreign policy minds in the country, if i'm down in the situation room talking with people who have worked in these regions and have run major operations and they probably not easy. >> you think your advisers are better than president obama's? >> well, you know what i do know is that we have people who are very dangerous and they want to destroy us and we don't really whether it's easy or not to take them out. we have to take them out. we have to do what's necessary. and what that means, we need to make it very
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difficult for them to move money and we need to get rid of their ability to deride money from oil, whether we take the fields or blow the fields up. we need to take the land back. the land is just sitting there. >> but you need ground troops to take the land back, don't you? >> they have all of the propaganda associated with that. you know, you see in northern iraq, we have been able to work extremely effectively with the kurds. that's a fighting force that we sort of given up on the iraqi fighting force, because, you know, they fled when they were fired upon. but the fact of the matter is, they didn't have the right kind of advisers and our special ops people, if put the special ops people there with them, we can fight with the forces and we need to consult our department of defense in terms of what else do we need. we need to define for them the
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them, what do you need in order to accomplish that? >> lot of focus this on your foreign policy views. "the new york times" headlines said you were struggling with foreign policy. one of your close friends armstrong williams was quoted saying, dr. carson is still on a learning curve, much for him to learn. with national security and terrorism such a top concern now of voters, why should they choose a commander in chief still on a learning curve? >> i hope everybody's on a learning curve. in medson we have continuing medical education. it recognizes the fact that things are always in the process of changing. say, well, i'm on it, and now i'll go relax, you're not going to be very competent. and the same thing applies with world is a rapidly changing place, all kinds of dynamics going on. yes, we should have in place protocols to deal with that 2:00
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a.m. call in the morning, but we also need to have the ability to think quickly and to be flexible. you know, i would be willing to say that i probably have more 2:00 a.m. in the morning experience than anybody else combined making life and death decisions. you have to be able to do that. so, who has the most experience? i don't know that it necessarily comes down to politics, it comes down to practical experience, solving difficult problems, doing things quickly and efficiently. using the resources available to >> finally, dr. carson, a new cbs poll out this morning shows ted cruz pulling ahead of you in iowa for the first time since may, are you worried that you may be losing steam there? >> well, you know, it's a marathon, it's not a sprint. so, there's going to be ups and downs as we go along the way. that's why we have an elongated process rather than just a week . dr. carson, thanks for joining
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and we're back with former governor martin o'malley, running third behind hillary clinton and bernie sanders. in our latest abc news/washington post poll. governor o'malley, thank you for joining us this morning. even though your poll numbers are hard, you're striking hard at hillary clinton. saying she's demonstrated a total inability to understand what happens after dictator needs. total inability? >> well, yes, george, secretary clinton voted for the iraq war and notwithstanding what she now regards as a big mistake. none themselves, you find these circumstances. can you point to one instance as secretary of state, secretary clinton had an understanding of what was coming after the toppling of the dictator. she could be very gleeful at the
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fall of gadhafi. i also said yesterday, that secretary clinton has one foot stuck in the cold war. look, this is a new era of warfare, fourth generation warfare, and it requires a new sort of diplomacy a far-seeing national strategy mentality. >> how would yours be different? she's called with greater cyber efforts against isis. she doesn't want ground troops in the region. how would you be different? >> and again, in the speech that she just gave, george, it was an everything than the kitchen sink, peppered with the same old thinking, old state department thinking when it comes to this. look, we need a foreign policy that not only talks about a greater human intelligence but actually delivers it. how long have we been at this war? yet our human intelligence capacities on the ground in syria and other places -- >> but she's calling for the
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exact same thing. >> when she had the opportunity to do something about it, george, she did not. she's stuck in the old cold war thinking. this new era requires new thinking, fresh approaches. this is very different than the conflict of the 1990s. this is asymmetrical warfare. in syria and iraq, it's one top of war. beyond that, and with these global terrorists, it's more akin tracking down drug organizations. >> so, be specific right here. do that hillary clinton wouldn't do. >> this new age requires network intelligence, it's obvious from the fact of the attacks in france that we still have not gotten to the place where we have this sort of network intelligence that we need to
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system is strong because not it outnumbers the bad germs but because it's better coordinated. it's not the old way. where we get memos and eight months later, we make a decision. this requires much more nimble thinking, a new age of rapid communications, intelligence sharing with neighbors that in the past lot of security agencies thought ran contrary. when it comes to fighting isis on the battlefields of iraq and syria, we need to up the battle tempo and we also need new alliances that are open-ended and ideally work through the u.n. security council and it's not a better of big divisions fighting off in the desert. this is a matter of special forces and working in coalition with many other nations and other partners. and it also requires an open-endedness to allow the russians to come in and help us where provided that short-term political solution that directs that firepower. >> washington post shows a poll,
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close to financial collapse. are you certain you're going to stay through iowa? >> i am. this week, after we had our second debate, we had the best week of fund-raising that we have ever had. with high school kids across iowa we garnered 24% of the caucus going vote. and finished ahead of hillary clinton. as you know from your own experience, the people of iowa make up their own mind. they're not intimidated by big money and so-called inevitable front-runners. and come caucus night, we're going to emerge as the democratic alternative to the hillary clinton, this year's front-runner. i just begun to fight. i'm looking foward to the iowa caucuses. >> governor o'malley, thanks very much for your time this morning. >> thank you, george. roundtable is up next. they'll weigh in on what we
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ellison, the first muslim elected to congress, and republican martha mcsally. thank you for joining us. we heard the candidates weigh in on steps they're going to take in the fight against isis. this is not front and center in the presidential campaign. >> absolutely. you see the change in all the polls. the issue was dominated by economy and jobs. now it's dominated by terrorism and what's going on in the middle east. the question is, how long does that last? i think it lasts within the republican primary, throughout the course of the republican primary. it changed the dynamics of the race. lot of people thought it would hurt donald trump, because voters would turn. the exact opposite has been happening because people, gop voters for sure, want strength as the ultimate value. strong and wrong is better than right and weak at this moment. >> and congresswoman mcsally, you do see the numbers for president obama as well, lot of discontent for his strategy against terrorism. >> absolutely, he's had a failed strategy since he's been in
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office. we have seen militant islam growing over the last several decades. isis is just the new threat from that. we haven't seen a comprehensive strategy to attack where they are and show leadership in the global community. look, i'm interested in us getting away from the race being less of a reality tv show and wwf-type tournament and more towards a serious discussion of who should be our next commander in chief, who's the next person who should be leading our military, leading our foreign policy, leading in the global sphere to fight against this fight. >> that's the top question right up there with the economy. >> it is for now. i free with matthew. # we'll see where we are in six, eight months. we tend to get focused on the issue at the moment. but, clearly, it has given a platform for donald trump and that republican party. he's been able to project a
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unrestrained, people are responding to that. i have always had this theory, why obama won in 2008, people choose the remedy to what they have. they never choose the replicate. there's no more anti-obama kind of figure in terms of opposite than donald trump. >> donald trump said they should all go back, that combined with more surveillance of mosques. >> it has. i think we should project strength. and what that means is confidence in who we are as a nation. we're civilization, we give safe haven to refugees. we don't behead them and all of these kind of bad things and exclude them. let me just say, at this point in the game, we need to be adhering to the values that made this country strong and not feeding into the
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exactly what these sort of panicking reactions are showing. daesh says that islam is at war with the west and the west is at war with islam. this is a false statement. we need to say, we're not going to single out muslims for a religious test to come into this country. we are going to have confidence in our homeland security department, that has 750,000 people refugees admitted since 2001, and we are going to engage in diplomacy. >> what about that argument that the house vote this week sends the wrong message to isis. >> for six months, we looked at combatting the flow of foreign fighters related to this isis threat. i brought the report here with me today. we delivered it to the administration in september. we have 32 findings addressing the broad threat from isis foreign fighter flow and home grown extremism. one of them was potential gaps
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in the refugee program, which i isis has said they want to exploit. what we did this week was a bipartisan veto-proof vote. which was a very, very narrow change. that has the administration certifying that people are not national security threats. we got to address these other urgent threats as well. >> matt, that question i posed to both donald trump and ben carson. you talked about gaps in global security, then why is it okay for people on the terror watch list to buy guns. >> there have been some issues with it. additionally, we have european allies, we share information on the watch list and eu travelers don't get checked against that list. these are some of the gaping holes. >> that's a big hole. >> that's a really big hole. >> wait a minute. of course, no guns. >> the republican caucus is more by the nra than they are of
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on this kwek, they don't want to buck the nra. this is why you don't have the watch list. >> david, i disagree with you. >> i expected you would. >> the refugee crisis unfortunately is one of the issues in america today that has dropped in, it's like ice in -- sorry, and i think this is that issue. if you try to find a if you try to find a center ground, we're a compassionate nation, we also want protection, you're actually attacked on both sides. the problem i think democrats have when they don't understand where republicans are coming from on this issue is that, a majority of the country doesn't want refugees into this country right now. a majority doesn't trust the president on this issue. and a majority think we're at war with radical islam. until you accept and understand those fears you can't get people -- >> roosevelt made it clear, the only thing to fear is fear
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itself. people are looking -- understanding is not to pander to their fears it's to offer leadership. >> we don't have leadership right now. >> i'm the son of the refugee, i'm proud of the position that the president took. i think it's the right one. but i think matthew is right, before you attack the fearmongers you have to attack the fear. >> listen, that press conference on monday he seemed a little listless going after them. >> and he didn't stand up for as explicitly as he should have for the system of letting refugees into this country, which is very exacting. >> he was tone-deaf and detached in his comments after paris. the most we got him riled up is when he's attacking republicans. he's not getting that across the globe and in america, people are concerned about this threat. they're concerned about homegrown terrorists. they're concerned about foreign
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traveled from iraq and syria. >> the problem is many republicans overreact to this not in line with american values. republicans should have done the exact same things that democrats should have done. understand the people's fears and speak to their hope and dreams. we don't need a religious test, block all the refugees. you can say pause like some said. >> the legislation simply makes our top three security officials certified they're not a nation national security threat. it wouldn't slow it down. these same officials testify that the databases are maybe missing information. >> it actually helps -- it requires each official to identify and certify each person where we have a system that does that now, that's going to be i believe it can grind the program to a halt.
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daesh that we're going to disrupt our whole program which has been working just because of their threats. program as needed. make sure we deal with these >> it does seem like the far bigger problem that anyone can come in from europe without any checks at all. >> that's part of it. we also have 250 americans that have traveled to iraq and syria and we have 900 investigations going on at home. >> stopping the refugees won't help that. >> these are the broader issues. >> it doesn't mean we should say no to syrian refugees. our powerhouse puzzler. years. something is wrong with our healthcare system and it needs to be fixed. and getting eight million kids covered. republicans from repealing obamacare, and taking on insurance companies to bring i'm not going to let any family be deprived of healthcare.
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republicans rip up obamacare and throw it away. i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message. >> announces: and now, the "powerhouse puzzler" brought to you by voya financial. >> okay, which president made thanksgiving a national holiday? congressman ellison. lincoln, lincoln, lincoln, lincoln. thank you all for that. right now, i want to go back to martha raddatz who spent this week on both fronts in the fight against isis. here she documents how isis has risen so fast and so far out of the conflicts in iraq and syria. >> reporter: it was nearly two years ago when isis was beginning to make world headlines. we were in iraq, the u.s. ambassador waving a red flag about the threat from isis.
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be about what's going on here? >> we have real interests in middle east and iraq. we should be very concerned. >> reporter: then, just six months later, we're live this morning to find a city bracing for attack. fears that iraq's capital baghdad would fall, that didn't happen, but isis did take mosul the second-largest city, which it still holds today. later, we returned as the fight intensified, reporting from the "uss bush," an aircraft carrier at the heart of the fight against isis. getting a firsthand look at a battle already in motion. you watch these flight operations all day , it's an incredibly dynamic environment, they come in one after another. after xwleeting their missions. have you noticed how isis is
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are they breaking up? do you suspect they'll be more difficult to find? >> well, they're learning organization, so we know that they'll adapt and that that make our job more difficult. >> u.s.-led bombing missions, 8,000 so far. the president sending 50 special operation forces into syria. but critics argue the strategy isn't enough to stop the jihadist group, which has now spread, launching those horrific attacks in paris, putting brussels under virtual lockdown. this week, we returned to the region visiting kirkuk. where kurdish fighters are still battling isis. just over there, that berm is the first line of defense, because just beyond that, all of those are isis-controlled villages.
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troops, more support. this right here is where isis and right there is peshmerga. everybody wondering whether the u.s. should do more. meanwhile, two years later, the battle against isis still rages. the fear of more terror is still real. >> our thanks to martha for that. that's all for us. thank you for sharing part of your sunday with us. i hope you have a happy and safe thanksgiving. part of your sunday with us. i hope you have a happy and safe
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