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and withh the iowa caucuses 50 days away and two days to thehe final gop debate of 202015, this morning on "this week," so many questions about the race, answers, insights, analysis. >> announcer: from abc news, "this week" with george stephanopoulos begins now. and we come on the air this week to a major shakeup in the race to the white housuse, a brand-new poll just released by ththe des moines register shows ted cruz blowing by donald trump in the key first state of iowa. there you see the numbers. cruz now at 31%. ten points ahead of donald trump. ben carson falling har from his first-place showing in october, he joins us live in a moment. but we begin with more on this stunning poll and a defining week in this campaign from jon karl at thehite house. good morning, jon. >> reporter: good morning, gege. it's just about 50 days until the iowowa caucuses while donald trump still has a commanding
losing badly to ted cruz in the state that gets to vote first and republicans are gunning for him everywhere else. is this the week the republican party came undone? >> out wez pretty brutal four days ago for trumump. >> reporter: on monday, he announced his
most controversial plan yet. >> donald j. trump is calling for a complete shutdown of muslims entering the uted states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> repororter: party leaders denounced the proposal as not just wrong but un-american. >> what was proposed yesterday is not what this party stands for and more importantly, it's not what thi country stands for. >> reporter: every candidate in the race not named trump opposed the plan. jeb bush even called trump unhinged. >> i'm not one of these other
i don't go down i go up. >> do you have a warning for gop leaders? >> i say, folks, i'm sorry i did this to you. >> reporter: now the latest poll out of iowa shows that senator ted cruz is taking the top spot in the hawkeye state, ten points ahead of trump. cruz was caught on tape obtained by
"the new york times" caught caught -- >> who am i comfortable having their finger on the button? now that's a question of strength but a question of judgment. >> reporter: this caused trump to take this subtle swipe at cruz. >> i like cruz, but notot a lot of evangelicals come out of cuba. >> ben carson threatened to leave the party gop leaders discussed whether trump can be stopped at the party's convention.
should be doing anything that's deceptive and under the covers and thwarts the wilill of the people. >> reporter: a party in dirray, setting the stage for the lt republican debate in 2015, just two days away. trump's iowa problem has been brewing for some time, back in october, i was ben cars who was beating him in ia and back then, george, trump responded by asking, how stupid are the pele in iowa? it turns out, perhaps insulting the voters of the state may not be the best way to win them over. let's get more on this, you have polling in iowa for decades. have you seen a surge like this? >> you know, we went and looked back at the last five caucus cycle, to see if we have seen a jujump this g, we have never
>> you know, trump has gone up, not just as much as cruz, so cruz -- is his play nice strategy, is that paying off? >> well, the play nice strategy may be paying off, he's also doing the ground work with the evangelical conservative community. he got some key endorsements in the past week, heay be that candidate that people look for to coalesce around. >> you got n numbersbehind the numbers. it's something called the selzer index. >> theselzer score. the field is so big, but just looking at the horse raceidn't give enough information about potential for candidates to get stronger. ted cruz's number is huge in our selzer score. what that shows, he may not have hit his ceiling yet, there are
would be a good second choice and there's a large group of people they would see him supporting that. we add that together with the index, we call that selzer score. >> what happened to ben carson. >> ben carson has just sort of rolled down a hill, it seems, he didn't have a strong debate performance, things turned to foreign policy, he's just not one of the people can find a strength to hold on that makes him stronger than cruz on any off the measures that we took a look at. >> allright, thank you. let's go now to dr. ben carson, he joins us now from florida. you is seen those poll numbs, what do you think went wrong? >> well, you know, poll numbers go up and down. i wasn't excited when they're up, i'm not excited when they're down. you know, this is a very fluid contest and it's the reason we
we have opportunities for people to listen carefully, not to listen to the spin but actually to listen to what's being said. the people will make the correct choice. >> ted cruz thinks he knows what went wrong. in that piece, not only went after trump but questioned what voters think about you. >> who is prered to be a commander in chief, who understands the threats we face? that's a question of strength but it's also a queststion of judgment and i think that's a question that's a challenging question for both of them. >> how do you respond to that analysis from ted cruz? >> we, you know, we have had different type of experiences. no question i haven spent a lot of time asking for big money and going to cocktail parties.
operating room, cold sterling place, with a little child's life on the line. a very dferent kind of experience. lots of 2:00 a.m. in the morning calls. >> do you think that's extent of ted cruz's experience, sch moozing, going to cocktail parties? >> mor of a politician's experience, and i have a healer's experience. the fact of the matter is, you know, i have had a lot of experience in corporate america, i have worked with a lot of ceos and one of things that i i recognize, a good ceo doesn't necessarily know everything but he gets a lot of people around him, he has a vice president of hr, of finance, of mergers and acquisitions, et cetera and uses them in an appropriate way. do you know how to use the
do you have wisdom and judgment? that is demonstrated by the life that you have leled. >> you have been making that point for several weeks, it doesn'teem to be working. are you goioing to have to try something different? >> no, i will hopefully people will determine at some point, do we want to continue down the road that we havave bn going down for a long perio of time? or, are we going to stop in you have ow, when it coms to experience in congress, you got almost 9,000 years worth of it, i don't know i if that's the correct answer at least that kind of experience. >> you know, you had some strong words for party leaders responding to that story that jon karl mentioned, to stop someone like trump or perhaps you and you then put out a statement saying, if this was a beginning of a plan to subvert
it withhe will of the political elite, i assure you donald trump will not be the only one leaving the party. >> one of theeasons i got intoo is is because i heard the frustration in people who are soo tired of back room deals, of dishonesty, and you know, if that's the case, you know, i'm out of here. i have subsequently spoken to reince preibus. the jury is out. we'll be keeping a close eye on things. >> lot of reaction to donald d trump's comments about barring muslims entry. marco rubio called it offensive. offensive? >> well, those are probably not comments i would have used.
know, not letting people in until they were well screened. i wouldn't do on the basis of religion. but it makes perfect sense for us to start doing something now and not just let people in, you know, this whole syrian thing, when i was over there, nobody wanted to come here, they wanted to be resettled in their own country and there are adequate e ys to do that or take care of them in jordan. there'sillions of them. that's just a band aid to make some people feel good. >> but your campaign has some inconsistent statements on this broader issue. on monday, you put out a statement, everyone should monitor during their stay. on tuesday, you told cnn, that idea is ridiculous. do you understand how that flip in 24 hours might give voters pause? >> it's not a flip.
what i said when i talked about monitoring. what i said, when i go into another country, they want to know where i'm going, what address i'm going to be staying, how long i'm going to be there, i'm not talking about following them around with the fbi. >> you just want them to lay out their eyeitinerary? >> yeah, i mean, we should be able to find them. we shod know what they're doing that. >> but won't a terrorist just lie? >> well, again, we're going to have to be a little smarter. you probably have seen some of the questions they ask in the screening. have you been a terrorist or are you planning a terrorist attack? give me a break, why don't we go to israelis and ask them how they do it. >> you have said that islam isn't not consistent with the constitution, what do you mean
>> if you accept the premsz, including sharia, which places other religions in a subservient position, which opposes things like death on homosexuals. these things aren't consistent with the american constitution. if somebody believes in islam and there willing to reject those portis openly, i don't have a problem with that. but if they're not willing to reject them, then it's not consistent with what we're doing here and all you have to do is go back to the holy land foundation trial and look at t the explanatory memorandum that was brought up there, the muslim brotherhood in america was, people need to know this stuff. >> dr. carson, thank you very
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world have been echoing trump's poup list. >> that's donald trump's theme song. we're not going to take it. it's the essence of his antiestablishment appeal. trump is not alone, in country after country, poup lists are gaining ground. in hungary, sounding the same theme and he's building a razor-wire fence to keep syrian refugees from flowing inin. none have gone as far as trump. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims enterg the united states. >> reporter: that extremist proposal shocked people around the world. in london -- >> it's not right.
to million of people, not just me. >> reporter: in paris. >> i think it's really crazy. >> reporter: in dubai they tore his name and face off a billboard at a golf course there. s. officials and many others worry that trump's proposal plays right into the hands of isis who will use it for recruitment. frump's muslim ban was thrown as canadian justin thor roe greeted refugees. so far being the republican's establishment nightmare. is working just fine for donald trump with republican voters. for this week terry moran, abc news, london.
bill crist tol nancy gribs and robin wright. robin, let's begin with this. you reported from several dozen, more than hundred countntries around the world, it seems as donald trump is tapping into real anger around the globe. >> in the aftermath of the islamic state and the rippling effect whether it's paris or san bernardino. there's astonishment at the kind of statements coming out of american politicians. that there would be such racism againstt a whole people for the individuals. and ironically it comes att a time that we need the world to act together more than ever. there are these big issues in an era of globalization that the unitited state needs other
coon gd a yet there's more divisive tonight in terms of a religion, race, all f forms of identity. >> nancy, you madenamed time's person of the year. donald trump didn't get it. angela rkel of germany. donald trump didn't like that. >> i would expect to approve the choice. a year from now f he's been elected president, we'll see how he'll actually handle a crisis. merkel has faced multiple times this year fundamental threats to the future of europe, global economy, now the terrorist atcks, hasas to mak really hard decisions and act on them. there's a big difference between people running f office and people in office. >> the question is, will donald trump's comments uphold over time?
his entertainments that think have gone over the line give him strength. you believe this hurts him? >> yeah, i don't think republicans are going to nominate someone that say things that are inflammatory. i mean, president obama gives a speech sunday night that seems oblivious to the actual threat and the bulk of the speech saying we have to be very kind to muslims both at home and aboard. then, today's "the new york times," department of home land security didn't screen the facebook posts of the murderer in san bernardino. >> hard to believe. >> there was a debate within the
whether it was appropriate to do so. >> and david, you have studied the evangelical community a lot, you reported on them in iowa and across the country. you think donald trump tapped into something there. >> donald trump is around. he's got staying power. if you go around the country, he's a player and he's player we advantagely calls, i think george, evangelical see the world in absolutes. donald trump sees the world in absolutes as well. there's a kinship there. a dr. phil moment, if you will. i think it's not just that, but i think he's bringing up the sensitivity topic of islam, it's a tier-a issue we advantagely calls and it's resonates. >> ted cruz who has just surged to the top in iowa and bill kristol you covered these
does have a profile of a republican candidate in the past who have won in iowa. >> yeah, i was in iowa last weekend. i felt that cruz was having a pretty good run. you know, people have been intrigued bytrump, he's saying things that they're happy to have him say. he's been stead at 20%. >> actually went up a couple of points. >> 23%. ted cruz is serious. ted krusz -- the irony is the washington establishment probably hates ted cruz more than donald trump. >> you know, that iowa poll also found that a majority of trump spotters don't think he has the temperament to be president. so, right now, we're still talking about protests. iowa tends to break very late and it's true what has happened with cruz is fascinating. but i think we're still quit a
going to happen in iowa. >> there's been a d different leader every month. >> we have 11 months to go until the election and the vote, first vote happens early in the new year. but i think, with all these different kind of pull and tug and the issues have changed so much in the last few months, we have gone from economic issues to national security issues. that's one of the reasons why ben carson has plummeted -- >> also, if you look at the pollin terrorism, the number one polling issue, donald trump plays to that, and he plays well to that. in politics it's all about a narrative being crafted. donald trump is the $10 billion success guy who knows howo make the art of the deal. and they believe that can translate into the terrorism realm, potentialally comin
here. >> here's an importatant point. robin mentioned. >> he only has one-liners. at some point he has to more serious and deliberate. >> cruz is underrated as a finalist. robin mentioned correctly, cruz, trump and carson, what's their total? >> every 65%. bush, rubio and christie together, 19%. everyone on the establishment side -- once the establishment comes together, that will establish the candidate. beats ted cruz and trump. iowa is a conservative state. if you go down the calendar, you can write -- i think ted cruz is more serious than people think. >> he's raised more money than anyone besides jeb bush. he wins in iowa, donald trump does well in new hampshire,
even though that meeting that happened in washington, brokered convention, that will have a lot of people nervous at the top ranks of the republican party. >> this she where tmp is so helpful to cruz. he framed it being a race about who can stand up to cruz. cruz wears washington hostility like a badge of honor. >> i think it's relatively real, from a plausibility standpoint, marco rubio potentially could be in the mix here, if gop tablishment folks get behind him. donald trump isn't going away any time soon because he has about $10 billion or so. >> if he decides to spend it. >> plus, he has a lot of stable support behind him. so, you can literally see this coming down to where no one has the delegates on the first ballot.
make a move. someone who's experienced and tough. if i'm christie, i say at the debate tuesdayay night, we have two inexperienced guys. we got an older guy who's also experienced and just shootss off his mouth, i'm the guy who can be a solid -- there's a little bit of a christie scscenario. >> to what degree is the republican establishment out of sync with the body of politics? >> 100%. the main thing they disiscussed should they get the three-course or the five-course menu. >> the whole idea of brokered convention, you wonder if we're not going to know until the very end where we're head zblg
facebook and twitter. the san bernardino massacre and the debate stirred up donald trump trump. mosque in california victims of arson. two offices of the council of american islamic relations had to be vac waited after us is pishgs powder sent to their office. here's the executive director of cair and andre carson. welcome to you both. what has been the fallout in your community since san bernardino, since the comments s donald trump. >> good morning, george. as you did tell, the muslim communit is extremely concerned about the violent backlas
the mosque that was firebombed last friday, quitete a few violent attacks have been taken against mosques. because of suspicious powder that we received witith a debt threet on it. luckily, everyone is safe and the matter is being investigated by the fbi. so, yes, there's a sensese o anxiety and this comes, you know, in the background of the anti-muslim sentiment that has been unfortunately fueled by donald trump and his likes from his platform. >> but congressman carson, you heard marco rubio n the wake of donald trump's comments saying there's no w widesprea discrimination against american muslimims.
you have seen poll numbers. when these piticians make these inflammatory remarks, they're rewarded with higher polling number there they are judges. my father in the l law is first muslslim judge. anyone who wants to be the commander in chief has to know that and accept that as reality. >> a real f fear out there right now, what do you say to americans? polls show a majority of americans show that islam is inconsistent with american values. what do those people need to know? >> they need to know though there are numerous a attempts thwarted.
are muslim businessmen and women that are start starting business. they're putting americans back to work. not only is islam a religion of peace, but muslims are here a valuable part of our community. >> what do you do about the problem of radicalition? it says isis mobilization in the united states has been unprecedented. as of the fall 2015, u.s. authorities speak of some 250 americans who have traveled or attempted to travel to syria/iraq to join the islamic state in iraq and syria. the number of young men who have year. >> as congressman carson has
muslims in the united states. also, let's look at the bigger picture, isis wants us to be afraid. isis wants to divide us. isis wants to bhe afraid of one another. the bigger picture is, we have 35 mass shootings in 2015 alone and we see this media and political attention given to the acts of few thugs related to isis in the united states. not the 350 mass shootings which means, one more mass shooting per day happened in the united states, happened at the hands of people who are not of the islamic faith. unfortunately, we're giving a lot of credit to isis and to their recruited individuals who are very few in the united states. >> dr.mr. carson.
this has been a called to action, the rhetoric that we're seeing. it concerns me. i think most of our largest domestic threat ces from racial supremeist group. there's a restoration movement taking place. people want to take us bk to the good old days. we'll see next year the american people who are very intelligent, they'll push back on this kind of rtoric because it's very dangerouous. i have m mr. trump. he's smart man, which means his rhetoric is that much more dangerous. web we come back, a rocky week on wall street, what's ahead for the markets and the
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wall street journal. this week, rebecca, plunging oil prices had a loto do with the stock market drop. >> absolutely, george. here's the problem with plunging oil prices, first what it says about the global economy, it's dedemanding ss oil, that cou mean that the global economy is getting weaker. second of all, it dra down energy companies. energy companies, the energy sector in this country has the weakest job growth, in fact, they have had the most layoffs of any sector in this couny.y. 120,000 jobs loss and these are companies that have a lot of debt.
going forward relies on oil prices going up. >> a problem highlighted in the past, junk bonds. >> they're not so highly rated. they're ones they represent a higher risk for investors. they offer a higher yield when they you buy a bond. they have to pay a higher rate of interests. interest rates so low. at 0%. those junk bonds, those high-yield bonds actually look quite attractive. th have been piling into those bonds, liking what they see and the yield they get. especially into companies, as rebecca said in the ergy sector, that are now starting to struggle, there's a huge imbalance in the supupply of energy and demand for energy. and those bonds of those companies that have been producing such a high yield are starting to fall in price significantly.
the fed to raise rates this week. >> look the fed hasn't raised interest rates since 2006. they held interest rates at zero since just after the financial crisis, an unprecedented period. a mortgage in europe, a bank sends you a check each week. the u.s. economy is growing, not growing very fast, but unemt employment had come down. the economy is growing at a rate where it tnks it has to push interest rates back up. these low interest rates, the huge demand that the federal reservee has pushing into the econy which has helping the economy for so long. >> so, more drops in the market this week? >> what happens when we lose the training wheels, that's the question, george, certainly this
last week we saw the fear index spike. we'll be on the federal reserve. we're heading into unchartered territory. we haven't been in this position as you say for the last decade. now we're going into this new phase, where the training wheels come off the economy and what happens next, there are still huge question marks. >> you know, several years now of job creation, long and slow recovery heading into this presidential election cycle, d you think the recovery continues or it loses steam? it has been in place for 6 1/2 years. the average length of an expansion has been over five years. th is long in the tooth this expansion by historic andards. every reason to think that the odds of a recession in the next couple of years are rising significantly. with china showing weak growth, huge drops in commodity prices and with an economy that
significant signs of growth, i think the risk of recession are rising. >> thank you both very much for time. oria steinem has released her first book, my life on the road. she sat down with our own cokie roberts. >> reporter:ria steinem loved and hated by millions grew up in a world modern americans wouldn't recognize. women were legally denied jobs and credit and shut out of prominent positions. butnstead of accepng that word, she led a movement to change it. >> i had to get marriried and have children. and courtesy of all the women who were speaking out about different kinds of lives i realized i w happy. >> reporter: you now see people
i mean, does it wear you out to see what people call the mommy wars? >> it does drive me crazazy. what about daddies? >> reporter: there are daddies. particularly true in the political world. a female candidate is asked, who's going toake care of the children? and the male candidate is never asked that question. >> and male candidate is applauded for considering did family and whwhat's going to happen to his, you know, deciding whether to run for president. if a woman did the same thing she's often kind of disqualified by that. >> reporter: we're seeing it right now, paul ryan saying, as a condition of taking the speaker ship, e that he needed to spend time with his family. and everydy said, oh, isn't that sweet? >> yes, right. i recognized that as progress.
changed much has not. what about the biggest possible change? a woman president. steinem endorsed hillary clinton in 2008 and didn't think the country was ready for a female commanr in chief. >> what made me feel that way was seeing grownup friends of ours, guys in the media who a are perfectly serious people, saying things about hillary clinton, i cross my legs when i see her. she minds me of my first wife standing outside alimony court. looking at a powerful woman made them feel they had regressed to childhood. >> so, do you think 2016 the country is ready for a woman commander in chief? >> yes, i do. >> reporter: but it's a challenge that gloria stein em is ready to take on for your
so many others of womenen that come after her. >> i woun't demand gratitude. >> reporter: i'd like a little. >> well, i think it's really helpful to know what happened in the past. it helps you. reporter: what's ahead? >> that's a great question. because, people are asking me these days, what are you most proud of? things like that. i haven't done it yet. i live in the future. >> right. >> thanks to cokie for that. thank you for sharing part of your sunday with us. we'll be live from new hampshire next week.
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