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♪ >> announcer: from 30 rockefeller plaza in new york, it's "late night with seth meyers." tonight, andy cohen, msnbc correspondent, jacob soboroff, author, rebecca makkai, featuring the 8g band with nate smith.♪ ♪ [ cheers and applause ] ladies and gentlemen, seth meyers. [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: good evening. i'm seth meyers. this is "late night." how's everybody dointonight? [ cheers and applause ] well, that's great to hear. in that case, let's get to the news. well, move over gettysburg address. [ laughter ] after the president n
issued a warning to president trump, trump posted an all caps tweet saying, quote, never eve reaten the united states again, or you will suffer consequences the likesich few throughout history have ever suffered before. we are no longer a c that will stand for your demented words of violence and death. [ lahter ] be cautious. [ laughter ] all i can say is thank god we didn't elect a woman president. they're just too emotional. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] vice president mike pence today hosted a fundraiser for a republican representative in il elphia, but he left as soon as he found out it's the city of brotherly love. [ laughter ] that's two sins. former trump campaign advisor carter page yesterday called s accusatiat he was a russian agent a ridiculous smear campaign. coincidentally a ridiculous smear is what trump asks his p
maketists for. [ laughter and applause ] can you make it -- can you make it more ridiculous? former white house press secretary sean spicer's book will be released tomorrow. you know, sean, if you had a bunch of things to tell us, you could have done that when it was your job. [ laughter and applause ] the california home used for exterior shots on "the brady ybunch" is up for sale, a know the three most important words in real estate, marsha, ma ha, marsha. [ laughter ] according to axios, president en trump has rustrated that his on camera appearances have not had the same production value of tshows he watches.
said an aide, sir, we've been over this. she's a cartoon. [ light laughter ] dora, i don't know what it is. dora looks the same every episode. [ laughter ] american airlines has announced a new partnership with the tsa to install a high tech bag scanning machine at new york's jfk rport, which is great because i'm tired of getting my bag screened by one of these. [ laughter and applause ] and finally, a california town recently opened a drive-thru sp marijuana sary, or as they're more commonly known, a taco bell. [ laughter and applause ] ladies and gentlemen we have a fantastic show for you tonight. " he's the host tch what happens live with andy cohen" on bravo, and also "love
ohconnection" on fox, andy is back on the show. lause ]s and a absolutely one of our favorites. [ cheers and applause ] we also will be joined by msnbc correspondent jacob soboroff who's been doing incredible work down at the border. i'm so happy he's here, and also her moving new novel, "the great believers" is available now, rebecca makkai joins us tonight, so you're here for a great show. t,cheers and applause ] before we get to tresident trump has once again falsely accused the fbi of spying on him, but it turns t there was one person who really did secretly tape trump, his own lawyer. for more on this, it's time for "a closer look." ♪ [ cheers andpplause ] >> sh: the president is faci an intense political backlash over his press conference last week with vladimir putin. his administration still has thousands of migrant children eiiled and separated from parents, and his personal fixer michael cohen might be cooperating with federal investigators. so naturally trump had decided
the appropriate response is to threaten a war with iran. >> president trump is once again threatening the annihilation of a country very late last night. eeted out in all capitals, quote, "to iranian president rouhani never ever threaten the united states again, or you will suffer consequences the likes of which few throughout history have ever suffered before. we are no longer a country that will stand for your dementedrd of violence and death. be cautious." seth: wow, you can take the crazy old man out of queens, but you can't make him stop yeering at forei [ laughter ], also, you don't get to say be cautious when you're tweeting in all caps. [ laughter ] that's like a british person screaming at the top of their lungs.rr dep calm and on! we're all going . trump's threat of war against iran was just the latest in a series of unhinged c the weekend.
since the start of his presidency, trump has also oi nursed the parfantasy that the fbi and the democrats were spying on him. over the weekend he tweeted, "looking more and more like the trump campaign for president was illegally being spied upon (surveillance) for the pitical gain of crooked hillary clinton and the dnc." i think my favorite part of that one is surveillance in parenthesis. like, in case you didn't know what spied upon means, here's at longer word fo [ light laughter ] surveillance must have been on his word of the year calendar. [ laughter ] surveillance, oh, spied upon. see you next january, words. trump's latest outburst came after the justice department released a redacted version of the application they filed to surveil a trump campaign adviser named carter page. there he is. god bless him. that's how your dog looks at you when he's torn a pillow apart, and you at him yet.ed yelling
i took care of that pillow for you. i did good, right? [ light laughter ] the fbi believ been collaborating, and conspiring with the russian government. on sunday, page went on the tv to defend himself, but would not answer the simple question of whether he had relationships with russian officials. >> you have relationships with russian government officials, right? >> well, let's see what they're referring to specifically. >> but carter, you didn't ve answer -- you elationships with russian government officials, true? yes?ee >> well, let'shat they're talking about. you know, i talked to with a few -- >> i'm just asking you -- igi'm just asking you a st question. do you have relationships with russian government officials. i can tell you i don't. >> seth: oh! [ laughter ] oh, you don't, jake tapper? you think wolf blitzer is ams real beard, glasses, that's obviously vladimir pin in disguise. [ laughter and applause ] page -- smiling carter page was then asked if he had ever served as
an informal adviser to the kremlin, a charge he denied despite some powerful evidence. >> did you ever advise therk kremlin, or ith the kremlin on anything?ak >> look, i -- no. >> but you did advise the kremlin. i mean, i just want to make it clear. d advise the kremlin bac in 2013 or 2012, somewhere in there? >> jake, that's -- it's really spin. i mean, sat in on some meetings, but you know, to call me an adviser i think is way over the top. >> except, in a 2013 letter you wrote, it says, ote, "over the past half year i have had the privilege to serve as an informal adviser to the staff of the kremlin in preparation for the presidency of the g-20 summit next month where energy issues will be prominent point on the agenda. that's august 2013.ca that's yourseling yourself an informal adviser to the kremlin.w, >> you knformal having some conversations with people. >> seth: i have ne sr seen anyohappy about a losing hand.
i have a full house, carter. well, i have a metro card and a cvs receipt. [ laughter ] but trump's obsession with being secretly taped is not new. it's something he's been fixated on throughout his presidency like when he falsely accus president obama of having his wires tapped, or when he tweeted james comey better hope that there are no tapes of our conversations. it's almost like he got secretly taped at some point, and waiting for that tape to come out is slowly driving him insane, and he tries not to think about that tape, but for whatever reason, every time he pees he can't get it out of s mind. [ laughter ] and even trump's explanation for his bizarre comments about secret tapes are themselves incriminating. like when he was asked about his comey tweet, and rambled like he was undepolice interrogation. >> why did you want him to believe that you possibly did that? >> well, didn't tape him. you never know what's happening when you see that the obama administration, and perhs
longer than that was doing all of this unmasking and asurveillance that you re about it, and i've been reading about it for the last couple of months about the seriousness of the -- and the horrib situation with surveillance all over the place. so you never know what is out there, but i didn't tape, and i don't have any tapes, and i didn't tape. >> seth: he's like the bus from the movie "speed." [ light laughter ] he can't stop taexing or he'll ode. trump' secretly taped doesn't just cause him to accuse others of spying on him, he has also repeatedly insisted without any prompting that there are no secret recordings proving that s team colluded with russia. like when he tweeted out of nowhere, "they have zero tapes of t-people colluding." or when the pee tape allegations first surfaced in 2017, trump insisted he was always careful when he traveled abroad because he was always afraid he was being recorded. >> i'm surrounded by bodyguardsu i'ounded by people, and i
always tell them, anywhere, but ways tell them if i'm leaving this country, be very l carecause in your hotel rooms, and no matter where you go, you're going to probably have cameras. i'm not referring just to russia, but i would certainly put them ithat category, but in those rooms you have cameras in the strangest places. cameras that are so small with modern technology you can't see them, and you won't know. you better be careful, or you'll be watching yourself on nightly television. [ laughter ] >> seth: okay. so, hold on. so, hold on. just a tip. if someone asks you did you pee on a bed with hookers, the right answer is, no, that's disgusting, i'm married. not no, there are came everywhere. [ laughter ] so trump is obsessed with being secretly taped, but it turns out it wasn't russia, or the fbi he should have been worried about.
it ways his own lawyer. >> the "new york times" is just reporting that michael cohen secretly recorded a conversati that he had with donald trump just two months before the presidential election, and that the two men in this phone conversation discussed payment p to a formeyboy" model who said that she had an affair with donald trump. >> seth: so trump has spent his entire presidency obsessed with being secretly recorde and it rns out the only one who secretly recorded him was his own lawyer.ev yone from his past is coming back to haunt him. itif he ever goes on trial going to look like the "seinfeld" finale, but instead of t soup nazi, they'll be actual nazis. so now there's a secret recording that directly i implicates trua scheme to pay hush money to silence a "playboy" model, and possibly s even implicam in campaign finance violations and bank fraud, and it was made by his wy own . now, you might feel bad for donald trump that his lawyer secretly taped him, bu's when you get when you hire a terrible lawyer.
remember, this is all hush, hush michael. oh, i remember because when you said it was hush, hush, i tape it, and then played it back to make sure i heard you right, and then i put that tape in a box and said hey, fbi, these tapes are none of your beeswax. but this explains why trump is so scared of being secretly recorded, whenever there is a pt transcr recording of a secret meeting, or phone call he or his team had, we they did something incriminating. it also explains why the people clost to trump have repeated tried to set up secret back channels to russia, or why he wanted to meet privately with putin without ais, or why he wouldn't even tell his own intelligence heads about his plan to invite put to the white house which resulted in this amazing clip last week of dan coats, the director of national intelligence finding out about the invitation on stage from andrea mitchell >> we have some breaking news. the white house has ced on twitter that vladimir putin is coming to the white house in the fall. >> say that again. [ laughter ]
>> vladimir putin coming to the -- >> did i hear you? yeah, i heard you. >> yeah. yeah.y. >> o >> yeah. [ laughter ] >> that's going to be special. [ laughter ] >> seth:hat's the director of national intelligence, which makes sense because under trumpl our natintelligence is basically devolved to, say what? trump has spent his entire presidcy doing everything possible to evade both public oversight of his actions, and his own intelligence ancies, and now it turns out it was his own lawyer who secretly recorded him, and i can't wait for that tape to be played in court because -- >> that's ing to be special. >> seth: this has been "a closer look." ♪ [ cheers and applause ] we'll be right back with andy cohen, everybod [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> announcer: for more of seth's "closer looks" be sure to subscribe to "late night" on youtube. ♪
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♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: welcome back, everybody. give it up for the 8g band right over there. [ chee and applause ] joining us this week on drums, very excited, he's awo-time grammy-nominated artist, producer and educator from right here in new york city. his new album "pocket change" is available now. for tour dates and more information, go to natesmithmusic.com.
nate smith is here, everybody.s >> thath. >> seth: thanks so much for being here today. really appreciate it. [ cheers and applause ] our first guest tonight is an emmy ard winner and host of "watch what happens live with andy cohen." which airsunday through thursday nights on bravo. he also hosts "love connection" tuesdays on fox. please welcome back to the show our good friend andy cohen, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ ♪ >> seth: hi, buddy. >> h seth. i got to tell you something. just going back to the tweets, there's only one person who should be allowed to tweet in all caps and her name is cher. >> seth: okay. t you. [ cheers and applause ] i think that's vert fair. >> yes. >> seth: very fair. now sh caps lifestyle for a very long time. [ light laughter ] >> she has. yes, yes. she's also been trolling the lipresident beautifully fo five years.
>> seth: it's really fun. the people that all of a sudden ca, out and you realize, "w cher is very good at trolling." >> yes, she is. >> seth: yeah, you wouldn't have thought so, but she >> "mamma mia." >> seth: "mamma mia" indeed. [ light laughter ] >> yes, yes. >> seth: have you seen "mamma mia" yet? >> i have not yet. >> seth: okay. >> yeah. but people love it, and apparently, the 13 minutes that cher is in the film,or my people -- it's -- >> seth: gotcha. [ light laughter ] >> yeah. >> seth: well, wait -- [ light applause ] but i -- like, my people meaning talk show host -- >> yes. yeah. [ light laughter ] >> seth: >> yeah.ike that too. >> seth: you had a 50th birthday party in june. >> i did. thanks for rubbing it in. [ cheers and applause ] yes. >> seth: yes. and then you had -- >> are you anywhere near? seth: i'm getting there yeah. yeah, i mean, i'm about -- yeah, i'm 44, so, yeah. >> okay. oh, no. >> seth: yeah, okay. [ light laughter ] >> yes, anyway, thank you. >> seth: what about -- you had a show -- did you have a show the night of or no? no, we -- my staff surprised me with a birthday show and i was, you know, if you're a talk show host, you are used to being celebrated and stuff and you're
lycomfortable with it, fra >> seth: yeah. >> but, man, i was on my way to my show and it was my surprise birthday show. and i was like -- i was bashful for the first time in my life. and then, i got there.on i thought andeooper was going to walk out but john mayer wound up walking out and hosting my show for me. >> seth: that's very exciting. >> it was incredible. >> seth: and was dolly parton there as well? >> dolly called in.e s the surprise caller. >> seth: that's fantastic. that's great. >> it's awesome. >> seth: so you had a very good birthday. >> yes, i did. it was awesome. yeah. y >> set mentioned anderson. you guys are going on tour again. >> yeah, we're still on tour. we've got vegas, philly, d.c., l.a., this fall. w >> sett, is it called "an intimate evening?" >> very intimate. >> seth: okay, gotcha. >> yeah, yeah. it's like the two of us and hearing our greatest stories. we were just in charlotte a few weeks ago. >> seth: and you have added to your greatest stories while this is happening, you got in an -- you were traveling togetheas you woul >> yes. >> seth: you got in an altercation at the airport. >> oh, i did ohis behalf kind . >> seth: on his behalf? >> i was basically, we were at laguardia and i was organizing --
>> seth: laguardia is where celebrits fly out of. >> yes, exactly, yeah. [ light laughter ] >> seth: it's like a -- it's a private airport.al >> it'private, yeah, yeah. it was just he and i, and i was doing my thing which was organizing the bins as they come out of -- >> seth: oh, i love that do you that. >> yeah, no, i totally do that. [ light laughter ] again, it's a celebrity thing. >> seth: yeah, inss like the >> yeah, yeah. so i'm organizing thbins. and this woman with a thick ilssian accent said to me, "i wish you were asent about your reporting as you are with those bins." [ light laughter ] and i said -- she clearly had seen anderson nd of two people away and thought that i was him because of the gray hair, whatever. and i said, "excuse me?" i said, "my reporting is stellar," you know. [ light laughter ] and she said, "no, it's not." "you lie and this --" i said, "what are you speaking of?" and i go, "first of all, you're thinking it's him." "second of all, he works very hard to deliver the facts," and i went in on her.
and we -- she was with her husband. it turned into me saying, "how dare you?" "how dare you?" [ light laughter ] screaming at her. anderson was mortified. >> seth: yes. >> a nice russian couple. yes. [ light laughter ] >> seth: i just love -- >> screaming "fake news" at me.: >> so they scream "fake news" at you? >> yes, yes! >> seth: that's -- i mean -- i have watched "real housewives", there is nothing fake about those people. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] >> nothing. >> seth: they are the realest representation. >> yes. yes. it's true. >> seth: that is really fantastic. >> anderson was really mortified. [ light laughter ] >> seth: you mortified another news person recently. >> yeah. >> seth: what would you call this?ke you ews bombed a woman who was doing -- >> i did. i news bombed a lady from wcbs here in new york. she was doing a standup in front of my gym. and i was like, i gotta -- i was like, "oh, my god, she's on tv." i was like, "hey!" [ light laughter ] t like, i'm every night.
>> seth: yeah. >> but i got so excited that this lady was on tv. >> seth: yeah, this really speaks to your sense of ego that you thought you saw. >> seth: you were like, "ooh, a little extra day time hype." >> yeah, yeah. i was like, "i'm not on wcbs." i'm on fox. i'm on bravo. yeah. >> seth: well, here's a little -- 'cause she was very angry. but i will say she was very excited to see you. >> she came arou. >> seth: let's take a look. >> caught and arrested last night. taken into federal custody this afternoon. [ light laughter ] law enforcement sources are still searching for that third accomplice. , it's andy cohen! [ laughter ] [ cheers and applaus >> we made up. we made up.ea >> seth: >> and then somehow, i don't know if she posted it and then i -- i called anderson actually. i go, "you'll never believe what i just --" s he wpissed at me. >> seth: yeah. >> it was very upsetting. i was she liked it in the end." [ light laughter ] >> seth: you're doing "love connection." >> yes. >> seth: hosting that again.es >> >> seth: it was very exciting.
and you actually had -- you had a real housewife of atlanta on the show. >> we did, yes. we had porsha on.e' and -- you know, she's someone as i know you know, seth. >> seth: yes. >> who goes into every relationship like full throttle. ke i thought she was going to marry someone on the spot. [ light laughter ] and that i was going to perform the ceremony. it was so cool. r. was really cool having the show is so fun. we still have people rate each other's looks based on their first impressions. >> seth: uh-huh. >> so that's always -- i love awkward moments captured on tape. h: yeah. >> and so, me revealing -- oh, she gave you a six, seth. ] [ light laught it's always amazing. >> seth: a six would be a personal high. >> yes, yes. i'm a six. >> seth: you -- obviously, we've been talking a lot here on the s show i gt was a week ago monday, we had the helsinki summit.it as all anybody could talk about. and yes, you provided the world a great distraction.th you haseason premiere of, what is it, "orange county"? >> yes, "orange county." yeah, absolutely.
>> seth: and did you feel like this is a nice thing to do on day that everybody was obsessed with trump to give them something completelyrent? >> for real. i feel it every day. >> seth: yeah. >> absolt ely. [ liughter ] i'm the escape from reality. [ light laughter ] absolutely. and we need it. >> seth: yeah, we do we really do. >> it's a good time. you know what? [ applause ] it's a good time to be in the housewives business. seth: yeah, i know. >> i will say that. >> seth: it's funny, because i used to, you know, used to watch the housewives and t"oh, my god, so much drama." and now i watch it and i'm like, "this is so quaint." >> i know, that is s. [ light laughter ] >> seth: these are such normal people who are very decent to one another and i don't know why our politicians ca.t be like th >> it's so true. i s ded the new york housewi reunion last year asking everyone who they voted for td if they knmp. and it turned out that most of the new york housewives -- >> seth: sure. >> had intersected with the president before. and i was like, "wow." >> seth: yeah. >> like, wow. a >> setaham lincoln knew almost no real housewives. [ light laughter ]
>> i know! that is true. >> seth: famously. they say famously. >> famously, yeah, yeah. >> seth: thanks so much for being here, buddy. >> thanks for having me, man. >> seth: it's always such a pleasure. >> tnks for having me. >> seth: "love connection" airs tuesday nights on fox. we'll be right back with jacob soboroff. a [ cheers andlause ]♪ ♪ i'm emma. and i'm claire. and we're the salmon sisters. we run our business from the boat. it's a really small space. this new surface go is the perfect size. ♪ i love having something that i can hold in my hand. we're proud of this way of life. we're proud of the work we're doing. it'sshop early to save big! and take an extra 15% off!
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♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: our next guest is an msnbc correspondent who's been reporting extensively from the u.s./mexico border. please welcome to the sh jacob soboroff, everyone. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ ♪ >> seth: welcome to the show. >> thanks, man. >> seth: so i want tt with this. you are, obviously, in a very -- reporting on a very difficult story right now. you're very composed.d, et, i heard on your way out here, you were at l.a.x. >> oh, yeah. >> seth: and you last your composure.
>> you heard about ts? >> seth: yes. >> so i ran into joe biden. >> seth: right. >> so the back story is -- first of all, jobiden is like sitting by himself at l.a.x., by himself, 100% by himself, wearing the aviators in the corn. and i'm like, "that's joe biden." >> seth: yeah. >> so, i'm like, "i gojoto go talk tbiden." the back story is my father-in-law in 1987-88 worked on his presidential campaign. they were close. my wife told me, "we hung out with the biden kids a lot, great memories." i'm like, "i got to go tell him this." so i go up to i say, "hey, mr. vice president, i'm jacob soboroff from msnbc. how are you?" "hey, great to see you." so then i got sarvous. and to him, "my daughter --" i don't have a daughter. lalaughter " --is my father-is wife." [ laughter ] and i was like -- and then, i said it again. i was like, "my daughter is my father-in-law's wife." d he wasn't responding. and he kind of like takes the aviators. and he looks over. i was like, "oh, my wife is my wife. and my father-in-law is my father-in-law." he's like, "oh, how are they? cell them i said hello."
so i'm sorry, mr. resident if you're watching tonight. i'll never do that again. >> seth: that's so -- yeah, ike you were asking him a riddle. >> it was bad. >> seth: yeah. >> i was v >> seth: my wife is my daughter-in-law is my father. so who's the doctor? [ laughter ] >> exactly. >> seth: so you actually have been doing even before the ly faeparation policy went in place, you had been doing a wonderful piece about the border. >> yeah. >> seth: and you've been down there. s and you actualnt time on every mile of the u.s./mexico border. >> 2,000 miles, yeah. >> seth: which is incredible. and you, of course, i think we all have this image of the border based on the news reporting we see. you actually went dore and saw a different story than the sort of outrageous things we hear every day on the news. >> it really is unbelievable to me to hear about how people, ly particulhe president, talk about what is going on down on the border as if it is just the most lawless crazy area you hav ever b. it's some of the most wonderful people i've ever met in my enre life. some of the safest cities in america are along the southern border. the idea that drugs are flowing
in where there's no wall is ctually incorrect. if the president took some time to read his own d.e.a. reports, he would know that vioownce is not g across the border. he would know that drugs are coming through legal ports of thtry. and he would kno ms-13 is a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny percent of the people that come through. and the -- i mean, basically they make policies that rip children away from their families and are truly ripping h aparfabric of society based on nonsense. >> seth: now, you actually, you mention you met great people. this was -- this is a true thing that hpened. explain what happened. this is a man who saw you. >> yeah, that's true. >> seth: he swam across to you to offer you -- >> shrimp. >> seth: shrimp. [ light laughter ] >> so this is the rio grande where the rio grande meets the gulf of mexico. and that's the very eastern -- southeastern most point of the u.s. border. and this guy calls across to me. he's like, "hey, buddy." and i was like, "h." d he's like, "do you want some shrimp?" [ laughter ] and i said, "yeah, come across. i'll take some shrimp." so the guy -- in that cooler e also wmes.
and there -- that's the hot sauce right there. [ laughter ] and so for $5, the whole thing with the militarized border and just all this divisive sort of things, the guy swamcross and just blew my mind about everything that we -- you know, you think you know about what is going on. so i thank this man very much. >> seth: yeah. >> it was delicious. >> seth: well, that -- yeah. [ cheers and applause ] [ laughter ] yeah, you never -- i never oncer trump say, "they're sending their shrimp." >> no, no shrimp. [ laughter ] >> seth: so you mentioned that the drugs are actually coming through the ports of entry that exist. >> right. >> seth: based on that, is what you're saying that a wall while, a symbol sort of seems like a show of strength would not actually fixny of the problems right now as far as the drug trade goes. >> yeah, no. and people shouldn't be surprised when they -- the president knows this. it's in the d.e.a. geports that s. and he continues to say over and over again. by the way, it also is not going to stop the st majority of people that are coming to this country illegally. the majority of people that come in the country illegally f
here from asia, for the most part, and overstay their visas. and no wall is going to stop people flying in, you know, obviously, from asia. >> seth: right. eeu also -- you know, this is now -- we're a few after he signed the order to stop the famiarations. they gave themselves a deadline of this thursday to reunite all the families. where are we athright now in ? >> so let's talk about this. they're -- today, right now, as we sit here, 2,551 kids were ripped away from their parents by the trump administration. and we should keep sover and over again until every one of these kids is accounted for, hthis is not something th ever happened before. it was a policy that was put into place to systematically take the kids awayrom their rents. it's a crisis on the scale of a natural disast that was nmade by the trump administration. this is a crisis of their own creation. thursdays the deadline. they're now that saying something like 900 of the 2,551 have been reunit but they're also saying over a third may never, ever be reunited. or at least, it's going to be very complicated to bt these peopk together.
and we just have to continue to demand answers from the administration. because none of these kids should have been separated in the first place. >> seth: now that failure to reunite the children, is this a byproduct of how terriy planned this was to begin with? >> yeah, absolutely. there was never a plan. first of all, some of the shelters that i went into -- and i went inside ofhese places, was the most harrowing experience as a father of a young kid like you that i've ever seen in my life. the shelters for the most part take good care of the kids. but they didn't know these kids were coming separated from their parents. the thing that disgusts me and i will never forget is that they took these kids away from their parents and put them in cages.e and i was the small group of journalists that's got to go inside the border patrol on processing stan mcallen, texas and see these little kids sitting around under a watch in tower plby themselves because of the idea that ho donald trumpht it would scare other people from coming into this country.d w, because there was no plan to ever put it back together, you can have kids that their parents were already deported. and they may never see them again.
>> seth: there's this sense now that, you know, they're trying to fix it. do you think they're trying to fix it because they realize how awful an act it was in the first place? or do you think they're trying to fix disaster?ecome a pr >> no. and i'll tell you something. i saw sean spicer in this building.'m >> seth: oh,orry. >> the former -- yeah, exactly. thank you. [ laughter ] i saw him in the building the her day. and he was -- i asked him. i said, "what did you think about it?" and he said, "it was a mess." mess was saying it was just like the muslim ban was a mess. because it wasn't well thought through. not because this was inhumane to take kids away from their parents. not because -- and that's the same thing with putting them back together. not because we feel bad about it.us but bewe just kind of messed up. and it looked bad. and the president admitted that. when we were dowy there, from e, when we were in the shelter in brownsville to day seven, i think it was, thahe signed the executive order to put them back together. he basically said, "i saw you guys on tv. . saw the writing. i saw the pictur and that's sort of why we did this. it didn't look that good." >> seth: yeah. you are doing incredible work. thank you so much for continuing
it it's obviously very exciting for me to see you. because i've been following the work you doing on tv. other peoplere excited to see you. because they think you're someone else. >> yeah, that's true. j.j.brams. >> seth: j.j. abrams. [ laughter ] here, why don't you hold t for us? because -- yeah, go right over there. that's -- yeah. >> i'm not. >> seth: yeah. >> i'm not nearly as ricac i'm not anywhere close. i would love to have the j.j. abrams money is what i say to when people come up to me on e street. so j.j., hit me up. >> seth: yeah, there you go. yeah, thank you very much for ?eing here. >> can i have th >> seth: yeah, you can have that. that's the least we can do. >> thank you very much. okay, thank you. >> seth: hey, anks for being re, jacob. [ cheers and applause ] >> good to see you. >> seth: keep up the great work. i really appreciate it. [ cheers and applause ] roff, everybody. he'll be reporting live from the global citizen festival september 29th on msnbc. we'll be right back with rebecca makkai. [ cheers and applause ♪ ♪ be right back. with moderate to severe crohn's disease,
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♪ >> seth: thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. el seth: congrats on the n this is your third novel. >> it is. >> seth: the first two were very well received. does that make you feel very confident before your third novel comes ou >> oh, sure. >> seth: oh, good. >> no, no, no. no, you can't be. because it's -- you know -- you're writing in total isolation. in theike getting dresse dark. like, the complete dark. and then you have to go out on stage.h: >> seah. >> and you don't know what you've done. you don't know what anybody's going to see unt. it's too la >> seth: and not only dress in the dark but i would guess over the period of like three or four years. >> oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. [ light laughter ] >> seth: yeah. >> that's four years of -- >> seth: fr years of like, "these are the right pants." >> -- just getting dressed in the dark. >> seth: yeah. do you show it to people over the cose of the four years? do you -- >> i do. i -- you know, a few trusted readers. and for this onebecause it is about the aids epidemic in chicago, very sensitive subject, a lot of historical research, i
really needed people to read it who could tell me where i had gone wrong. >> seth: oh, that's very helpful. >> who were there and lived through it. >> seth: there are sort of two parallel stories. there is, as you mentioned, it's chicago in crisis and then modern day paris. characters froliboth sort of in both the stories. is that something -- with a otting like that, do you have to know that when you set out to write the story?t >> it mive helped. but i didn't. >> seth: oh, okay. got you. >> so -- yea i started off writing this story, you know, evs,tually after a few misst about the crest of the aids epidemic in chicago. it w all set in the '80s. and as i interviewed people, as i thought about it more, one of the things that was the most fascinating to me was the at afte the ripple effect 30 years later. how were people cking up and going on with their lives when they'd handeath sentence or when they had lost everyone of their generation and they're the only survivor? so that was woven in later.as >> seth: iertainly more
and they don't actually have tde lock into thils of it. but you used google calendar and google maps extensively to write this.ex hotly were those tools that were effective for you? >> so the google thing -- so i -- i've trd all kinds of tlines for my novels. with this one, the calendar was really tricky. because i'm moving back and forth between time periods but w also dealih aids, the amount of time that would elapse beeen someone maybe gettin the test and getting the results. you move one thing and your whole plot falls apart. so i clicked back in my google calendar five or six years until the days of the week matched up with the days of the week in 1985. and i would enter my events into the calendar. >> seth: i noticed that the days match up. checked. i always check. [ laughter ] that's the first thing i do when i read a book. i'm like, "i'm going to go on my google calendar. if these, they don't match up --" >> you know what? someone do s. h: someone does, that's true. >> and we're going to get the e-mails. the writers are going to get the e-mails if we don't do that.t' >> seth: thas right.
>> but -- what the funny thing now is i'll use my google calendar.ry and i'llo be looking at something i have to do. so i'll type in like wisconsin. and it'll come up 15 things about my characters going to wisconsin. i'm like, "i was just trying to look up the wisconsin book festival." so i did that. and then the google maps, there were two things. i had this amazing intern one summer who made me an interactive online map of every gay bar in chica in 1986 which i hope was fun for him.do t know. [ laughter ] so i can walk around then with it pnted out, walk around chicago and see where everything was and kind of try to picture it. the other thinis, as i'm researching paris, the other part of the book, you know, you can do that thing where you ke e blue dude and you drop him into the map and you can walk around. >> seth: uh-huh.oo >> and you canleft and right which was awesome. but i was really hoping i'd have to justify a research tripo paris. and this totally supplanted it so -- >> seth: you are a child of a hungarian immigrant. yes? >> yeah. >> seth: and you wouldave -- when you were growing up, you had immigrants stay with you?
is that -- >> yeah, i had thiilkind of wild ood. my parents are both linguistics professors. and then, we -- web e sort of a hungarian immigrants in chicago. yeah, not really a normal childhood. >> seth: yeah. >> it was kind of awesome. and my dad's a poet. so there was a lot of -- he was writing his poetry in america but in hungarian and the smuggling it back into hungary. and -- >> seth: how do you smuggle poetry? [ light ughter ] >> funny question. so, what you do, if it's 1970s is you get a box of disposable diapers. >> seth: i -- yep, that's what i would have done. [ laughter ] >> because disposable diapers were bra new. you could get them in america. you can't get them in hungary. so it's a etty normal gift to be sending across the ocean to your relatives. and you cut them open. you take out the filling. and you put a poetry manuscript in every diaper. then you reseal the bo you send it. they open it. they take it out. and you have diaper poetry. [ laughter ] >> seth: that is incredible. because every writer i know --[ plause ]
would basically at some point p think a baby should [ blon this. and you're a professor in the mfa program at northwestern. >> yeah. >> seth: do you like teaching? >> i love teaching, yeah.s >> seth: thaeat. >> it's -- you know, it makes you so much better at what you do to have to articulate it. >> seth: sure. >> and -- you know, 'cause other art forms, you see someone work. right? if i were a painter, i could watch someone paint. if i were a musician, i could watch someone, you kno compose, make music. t go and stand over my friend's shoulder when they're writing novels. >> seth: right, yeah. >> that would be super creepy. but i cawork with students as they're writing novels, as they're writing short stories. and i'm learning from that in a way that is not otherwise available to me as a writer. >> seth: that is very cool. [ applause ] d thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. >> seth: congrats on the book. >> thanks. >> seth: rebecca makkai, [ cheers and applause ] "the great believers" is on sale now wherever books are sold. we'll be right back. [ cheers and applause ] ♪
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