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activity, then it's time for impeachment. leaders led by nancy p impeachment. the avenue is further disclosure to the american people.e >> let mart with some of the the fit is this -- "the doou and the president accept back with "end game." check out the different wdo -- there's no reason responses you g from presidential candidates on the not to accept it. >> the president accepts it, as well? >> i'm sure he does. "i" word. take a listen. >> the next fact is this, "the >> so i've been really careful special counsel's investigation established that russia aboutmpchment came interfered in the 2016 presidential election. principally through two operations -- first, a russian entity carried out a social media campaign that d presidential campaign donald trump and disparaged hillary should open pce ay want clinton." do you and the preside accept
the idea that the ruian to h interference was designed to help president trump? >> i believe it wa i can't tell you for sure. i haven't examined all the what more do you need from bobm? evidence.is no reason to dte it. >> does the president accept that? >> you've got a ream of paper >> i have no reason to dispute from mueller. it. i think so does. redacted, i know, redacted. obviously that wasn't part of defending him. here's the thing -- we've heard >> no, but a lot of the report enough. like enough. seems to indicate that he feared can we just do the "tv guide" that the idea the russians helped him was going to version of this? if they can summarize anpisode delegitimize his presincy. >> whether he did or didn't, of "game of thrones" before every show, we can do the there are a lot of factors that report. the report says the president of go into any election. the reality is he was elected ed states engaged in president. behavior that, per one there are a lot of good reasons that he was elted president commentator, you could say it's laul but awful. and she wasn't elected that have that prosecutors didn't have nothing to do with this. enough legal basis to press charges for constitutional and it's harli to beeve this was a decisive factor. legal reasons, the president is they don't find that. >> let me say this -- >> did all that happen? i imagine it did. i can't dispute it. >> okay. let me put this up. not kpoexonerated and the peopl "russian intelligence service conducted computer intrusion have to do something. that is the "tv guide" summary operations against entities, of what happened. if you need more information to employees, and volunteers working on the clinton campalen and the ree of the stolen know whether you're in or out,
what game are you playing? documents." now, i'm not saying what the >> you agree and the president agrees that this operation was designed to hurt hillary clinton outcome should be. but at a certain point, you know, the light's green. are you going to go or pull and in turn help donald trump? over? >> mueller's grandkids still >> i haven't examined all the haven't testified yet. >> exactly.k and i thin part of the -- details, and i find in other the report that there >> there is going to be -- there are substantial inadequacies, even in putting forth other is this desire to have the aha testimony that makes it false or other versio, assuming that moment, to have that jack that's a straight analysis, i nicholson i ordered the code an't object to it. red. that's never going to happen. >> let me go throuin, this it's never going to happen. is on the first two pages of fais report. this additional ct that they bob mueller's not going tots --> declare. hat's the value of the "the investigation established that the russian government perceived it would benefit from interview she gave. a trump presidency and work to a i think it's the power of it because it allowssi the prent secureoutcome and that the leading into 2020 to still have a foil. campaign expected it would remember what rudy giuliani benefit electorally from rm infoion stolen and released said, wouldn't you be jeb bush set, too, if someone who tried througthe russian efforts." to frame you, and that i think it's this last part, the is part of the political power campai wanted -- knew that the of donald trump. helpg and were is having -- waiting to -- >> you hat to accep the premise. >> i was on the campaign for >> yeah. but having a foil in d.c. gives four months. the president something to talk about 2020. i probably -- pr >> i'm old-fashied about his. i find all of the talk about i saw no evidence of that. this --
so that onicly. a legalistic breach of can impeach a t politi one of the reaso volunteered to defend him, i na le>> why didhe president trump >> they were putting oou >> i mean the senate will never remove. to me this isalpurely a polit question. do the democrats think they could get enough votes? is it worth -- is it in their political interests to do it? will anyepublicans go along? >>sout you at the time even of knew thhe were stolen ll it appear a voiictory if it by foreign folks. >> i did not. it would be like the pentagon papers. pentagon papers were stolen. goot to the senate and is n taken up. department of difference. they're talking about the my gth>> ts is a foreign advers. smoking gun but it taking legalistic -- a foreign ada spy and a foreign? >> mind meld. he loves a foil. i'm told he's been telling friends and allies the phrase, hey, look at what happened to republicans during the clinton e impeachment and look at what doesn't one work for the united happened to bill clinton. he is ready for a fight. he thinks it could help with the people who support him. >> can i tell you what's sittinh now there are overriding reasons out e that we haven't talked for it, but it's still theft. about -- i apologize for the
legally it's the same thing. control room because i'm going moral it's the same thing. to ask for something, the 12s here's the thing that's caseat none of us know. interesting about it -- and i >> yeah. don't want to dispute this too >> 12 -- yes, we know. much, but everything they put out on hillary clinton was true. but these are unknown cases. they didn't make things up. these wereetuff that f outside the parameters of russia. here it is. 12 unknown cases. we know michael cohen, greg deceptive, how manipulative hert craig, where mueller to ship it off to another entity. that's -- these are little land mines that we don't kn what they will explode when they explode. we know israel and uae and saudi ju wonderful person and they ey're all these other foreign entities that were helped her. if it hurt at all, it only hurt involved in stories wit the seychelles islands.re there's mo land mines for the president. >> do we think either of those ll ahat n backfr -- will change, the political or the legal calculions for in 2016 the intelligenceservices president or those we know immediately in his circle? >> no. >> the question for democrats, too, is about the same issue th t have is what president it is worried about, too. legitimacy. that has framed this entire that it was adrsary intelligenc. issue of russia for him. that- whatever his been done >> right.trumpet what wikileaks? to him has been done to undermine theit credibilof his
whim. for democrats i think the legitimacy question is this -- if we go down an impeachment path, are we thenth building is nng an investigation and narrative for him with a better legitimacy to be him in an the criminality of the person election. >> vladimir putin. the most successful campaign he i'm investigating, even if it could ever have imagined. comes from a questionable look what we're doing. source, i'm going to use that >> through the russian military. information. there was nothing to suggest it issit from new england. the im-- it is frightening. that this was manufactured the import of this. evidence. p you're right the 12 matters are everythingnted -- >> but does it bother you at all consequential. could i step back from the that a foreign adversary wanted beltway quickly. to -- it's easter. >> sure it does. absolutely. >> why participate in helping ia it's passover. theipulation? it's a gorgeous day. >> nobody's participating in it i got a brand-new harley i'm -- >> trumpeting wikileaks is participating. eager to ride as soon as the >> that's not at all show is over. i think for people watching participating. this, take a breath. that is like the guy who the system is designed ed ted drops -- i tell you in the through this. middle of this investigation, my >> we're all hoping the system co-counsel received four works the way it's supposed to work. that for today. documents that indicated that thank you for watching here. we're wishing everybody a happy the special counsel was using easter. happy pas happy articly exceedingly unethical tactics in ride. we'll be back -- happeny harley trying to get jerome corsi to testify. now i don't know where they came from. ride. we'll be back next week because i went to the fbi. if it's sunday it's "meet the press." i gave them to the fbi, and then ♪
we used those documents. i didn't steal them, didn't take them. they came from a legitimate source. the reality is when you get information about your oppond t 's true -- >> even if it comes from a you know reliable support when you have it, foreign entity? and that dependability is what we want to give our customers. even if it comes from a foreign entity? at comcast, it's my job to constantly whyidn't donald trump jr. called the fbi when the russians monitor our network. offered dirt on hillary clinton? prevent problems, and to help provide >> i wonder if there isn't an the most reliable service possible. argument that the people h k the right tow that about hillary clinton. people had a right to know that my name is tanya, i work in hillary clinton and the people around her were as dishonest, the network operations center for comcast. deceptive as they are? we are worki to make things >> why not run an honest simple, easy and awesome. campaign -- don't use a foreign campaign, don't use a foreign adversary -- >> but why -- you're not changing -- >> donald trump jr. accepted the wikileaks -- >> i let you read all that, but didn't read that there was no evidence of collusion by trump or anyone on the trump campaign. there was no involvement. >> but they wanted to. >> my goodness, if somebody on
e campaign wanted to do something wrong -- a lot of people in hillary clinton's campaign wanted to do something wrong. the legal standard tmakes it possible that we're not going to be prosecuted for our thoughts is every single line, we go right to the fact that did trump or anyone from the trump campaign participate in the dissemination of hacked material, and the answer is no. it had already been disseminated. so he free, clear of an allegation -- this investigation wasn't night news, international news for three years because the russians tried to invade our election. thrive done that before. we just caught them this time. and other countries do it, by the way. >> so -- >> the real news here -- wait, the real news here is donald trump conspired with the russians to do this. making him almost a traitor. that turns out after two fbi investigations.ll counter inteence seven months, this o 13 months, not z35k8z z16fz true. >> why isn't the president angrier at the russians? why is he angry at bob mueller? don mcghan?y
whn't he angry with the russians? the russians are the ones that have created the impression that his election was illegitimate. >> why wouldn't you be -- why aren't you as interested now -- we have time on this -- >> i'm not finished. >> why aren't you now interested in -- how is it that two investigations proved the charges were fal and nobody is vestigating who started the investigation? isn't that a hrible thing? do you think they were manipulating the election also? do you think that papadopoulos getting at information from the maltese undercover guy, do you think that was accidental? come on. american intelligence, foreign intelligence -- >> you're painting -- you're painting generated this idea that the russians hacked and stole this material, the russians -- these are facts. >> i'm not saying they didn't. >> okay. but you are creating -- you're going off into another diction. >> no. i'm going to the following
direction. any responsible direction other than the prosecutor would have followed. whenou find out the information is untrue about the man you're investigating, you turn around and investigate how did it happen. i've had investigations like that. i had one during the commission where two police officers were falsely accused. when i found out they were falsely accused, i found out the reason why they were falsely accused. eller has no interest in that. he has no interest in the fact the people in the meeting in june 9, they met with thehe hea of gps, promoting the steele dossier, the day before, the day of, and the day after. >> and donald trump jr., said if it's what you say it is about hillary clinton, i'm happy -- >> who set up the meeting? an operative from s. >> an objectrative from the russian government? >> will let me answer the question? vesnilskya met with the -- wait, please. it's complicated.
ed had the of gps for three years -- wait. nobel peace prize. it's complotated. it's nust one fact. it's not just one fact. they met the day before the meeting with donald trump jr., spent hours together having dinner. they met the morning of the meeting with donald trump jr., and they met the day after. they had set up the meeting on the grounds that it was about dirt on hillary. they never spoke about dirt on hillary. they spoke about russian adoptions and never followed up. to me in the justice department for 17 years, that's a clear a possible setup as you can get. >> why did donald trump jr. embrace the idea that russians could have dirt in hillary cln? >> why did the special prosecutor come to the conclusion it wasn't e struction? that particular on clears them of completely. because he's very embarrassed. he knows that he didn't follow up on all the suggestions that it was a setup. that's why this was a one-sided investigation.gg the bit takeaway of all is where's the interest in trying to figure out how could it be t
th fbi investigated this in two separate investigations, used four wiretaps in order to do it, four -- four electronic surveillances, talked to 500 witnesses, spent $40 million, and the answer is there was no, not the slightest bit of evidence, of piracy between trump, anyone on the trump campaign, and the russians. that was the story, not this stuff underneath it. >> it is now okay for political campaigns toork with material stolen by foreign adversaries? >> it depends on the stolen material. first of all, was it all right for "the new york times" and the "washington post" to print ai agnst the objection of the pres>>ent -- you're putting the pentagon papehe and vladimir putin on t same level of morality >> no. the theft. the theft. how often have newspapers and you covered stolen classified material?of >> i hope not n. i hope not often to honest.
>> you do, you do, you justify it. i don't know if nbc was part of it, t t the media went to cour to defend doing that because it's part of the public's right to know. i guess the public didn't have the right to know how sneaky and dishonest and hillary was -- >> you said something interestg about hillary clinton and the fbi interview that s was a part of. you said, "she claims 37 times she can't remember things. this has to be a lie. otherwise she has such a bad mory she should be going somewhere for memory lessons than running for the president of the united states." the questions you helped the president answer, the answers ou helped with the president of not recallingnot remembering i think the number was 37 times. >> i think it was 22 times. in any event, jim comey about 101 times. it wasn't i don't remember -- it's to my best recollection. i will never let a witness answer a quest hn that he -- wasn't as forthcoming as he could be.
>> of course he was. >> as he could have been? >> he was as forthcoming as the questi demanded. i don't allow any witness to get trapped into perjury. i'll give you an example. the president says that the events described by michael cohen, the the first not, up the second. the guy lied on television, the guy lied in the last hearing before the congressman when he said i didn't -- >> do you represent the most truthful client you've ever had in donald trump? >> i represent probably the most important client i've had with regard to their future in the united states, yes. he's been a great president. >> do you feel like he's truthful? >> i believe he's truthful as wch as you can be in a world in which every singd you say is pinged apart. if you say four and it's five they claim you're lying. >> i want you to speha, "if we confidence that the president didn't commit obstruction of justice we would
so state. based on the facts we were unable to make that judgment." this is not an exoneration by mueller. >> why would you read that when 80% is helpful in obstruction. he was an innocent man -- >> don mcghan saved him. why is the president angry? >> don mcghan didn't save -- >> he didn't carry out an obstruction. firing mueller -- >> he had the perfect right to fire mueller. mueller, at that time, he had several good reasons to fire mueller. mueller had substantial conflicts of intert, he had hired a staff so prejudiced it shocked any prosecutor who was there. he hired the chief counsel to to the clinfoundation to investigate donald trump. my god. if i were investigating hillary clintoand hired the person who ran the trump foundation, i think the media'd go nuts on me. that would a legitimate reason to fire mueller for very, very bad ju pment. he's tsident of the united states. mueller is not an independent counsel. he works for the justice department. he could have been fired at any moment. unless you could show he wasn'tp
going toce him with t somebodyo take over like comey, you had no obstruction. he could h>>e fired him. you don't believe that mcghan saved president? that saved him from an obstruction of justice charge -- >> no. in one circumstance, down month -- in one circumstance, don mcghan gives three versions of the truth, and the pounds uses another version. sloppy -- that entire report anr the way you ented it is all from the point of view of let's see if we can hang donald trump. and also the standards of proof, go to pagewo. the president's got to prove he's innocent. they have to be convinced that he didn't do it. when is that the standard ever in america? how can you prove a negative? if that -- that has to be pointed out and never used again because innocent people will get tarred and fthered with this. the question for anybody who wants justice should be how did this happen, who started it. i think you may find that the
clinton campaign may have interfered in this election even more than the russians did. >> i can't get into it now. you said -- >> bark obama, it says or at least it raises the specter with two texts between struck and his -- between strzok and his girlfriend, they said the obama people are keeping in close uch with this. those -- that's the execution of the steele dossier. >> could also be that the russian government isinfiltrat infiltrating -- >> why do you laugher that way? >> because you're making an assumption that it's some nefarious thing. >> no. i s in the government for 17 years -- >> why wouldn't the government be concerned about russice interferennto the presidential -- >> why wouldn't the government investigation opened up right on donald trump based on papadopoulos that don't even hillary clinton.
it didn't say stolen, taken, and no trump. was a pr feinstein which she had a chinese communist spy influence her? >> i they told her, they told htolly >> becau the russians didn't a interfering in the election. he's angrier at the people who slightest ep,oom, this is real ence.th steele dossier is phy. that >> all right. in the mueller beport for what n -- >> yeah, for good reason. affidavit in which four people
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